I feel like there is some confusion on the Koschei plot on the Vassien front . Lucien is not yet involved in that plot point . He is not someone Koschei would want to keep or kidnap .
He most definitely wouldn't exchange him for Vassa .

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I feel like there is some confusion on the Koschei plot on the Vassien front . Lucien is not yet involved in that plot point . He is not someone Koschei would want to keep or kidnap .
He most definitely wouldn't exchange him for Vassa .
I hate that some of you act like Elain and Azriel suddenly became a thing after Nessian.
NO. I DARE SAY ELRIEL WAS THERE BEFORE.
They have been right there since Acomaf. It’s been sitting on the page for the last four books. For a damn decade at this point.
The only thing that stopped Elriel from being the second couple was Lucien blurting out, “You’re my mate” to a traumatized Elain the literal second poor girl came out of the cauldron.
Elriel’s dynamic was already being built.
While Cassian was busy glaring at the sisters and judging them over Feyre, Azriel was reciting poetry to Elain, paying attention to her, smiling at this human girl he’d literally just met and empathizing with her (which earned him a glare from Cas btw) (which Az ignored and smiled at Elain again)
So when people go, “Ugh, 3 sisters / 3 brothers is so predictable and boring,” I just have to laughhh.
Would you say that if Elriel had become the second couple and Nessian had been the third? Or is it only “too predictable and boring” because you guys don’t like Elain?
DO WHATEVER YOU DO BUT DO NOT PRETEND ELRIEL WAS NOT T H E R E FOR A DECADE.
We are not trying to make up a ship for the next book. THEY WERE THERE. And not just in the BC
Also yall want us to believe ending up with your fated mate is the “less predictable” path in a SJM book? Please ugh.
Found this on the IC sub and this is genuinely wish why there was an anti Nesta IC sub around :
This is only an excerpt of it and it's nowhere near the worst of what this person said . What was said about the IC , especially Feyre was disgusting (that I do not feel comfortable enough to post on here) .
Imagine thinking Nesta of all people absorbed the neglect . Feyre had to hunt since age 14 in the cold . She was the person who held the family together . Elain had to sit beside and acompany a father who really didn't do anything . Yet the ship their father was on was "The Nesta" . Not the one who kept him alive nor the one who kept him company .
Elain didn't let Nesta play "the family villain" , Nesta just was . She was and still is a loser . "Courts hatred" and it's because Elain actually held herself responsible for mistreating Feyre and Nesta still hasn't . She threatened to k*ll Feyre in ACoWAR .
Calling Elain the "spineless coward" when Nesta always has to be pushed into doing something brave is ironic . The only time Nesta actually helped without being pushed was when she found 2 people who she knew would never hold her accountable for anything . Elain was scared and still helped her sister in ACoMAF , she was terrified of the Illyrians and still held herself (and Nesta) responsible for their actions .
Shockingly enough (not really) this person is going around clamining that Nesta's lame friends are the only ones who treated her with respect and is acting like they know everything about her .
How the Lucien fans on reddit (on the IC sub of all places) think I'm going to react everytime they tell me that Lucien just couldn't leave his bestie even though he is an ab*ser :
How Glees and Deluciens talk about Elain:
People still think Elain is going to be a villain or that she will end up with her sister’s abuser…
You didn’t understand even one word from CHD interview, this is very clear.
Anyway, I love casual readers stepping in 🫶
“nothing will change my mind” i think her book will lmfao 😭💀. an IDIOT.
male centered and pathetic but we already knew that.
"Elain is the villain" this 'statement' in itself just makes the reader know that the rest of it is going to be bs like that
"I can support an ab*ser before a depressed young girl" Lucien is as bad as Tamlin btw . Azriel would hate this person but I'm Lucien's loser ass would believe that he actually deserves better . They're the queens of being male centred
I may have read too many fanfics because I want Azriel's mom to have a partner and for Az to have some baby siblings . Like actual babies
“Every rose has its thorns,
show me yours,
and I will show you hands
willing to bleed for you.”
I remember I made a poll if you wanted to see my Pinterest boards for my Elain and Azriel AU boards , I can't find the poll but here the boards are . I have only recently started making boards , if you want to see some of the others click on the link :
See what book nerd (bookishnerd2004) has discovered on Pinterest, the world's biggest collection of ideas.
Elain board :
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Mind you Nuala and Cerridwen were one of the few people UTM who were doing something useful (Lucien wasn't) .
Being sarcastic aboht Azriel's powers when you like Lucien is just some level of delusion. It's almost as if Azriel would've had his spies do things without Rhys or Feyre knowing .
Why would Rhys or Azriel sent one or two of their great spies with loser Lucien ? . Mind you in that part , SJM spoonfed the readers that Lucien didn't have anything useful to contribute . Also Lucien wasn't even the one whp found Vassa btw , it was Papa Archeron .
Nuala and Cerridwen did more than all 3 Band of Exiles btw .
Nuala and Cerridwen are connected to actual plot and are not some throwaway characters . Nuala isn't some ab*ser apologist like Lucien , she would hate his spineless self even more . She would have to be the one doing the heavy lifting . Also what dangerous lands ? He literally just happened to see Papa Archeron and the people he found to fight the war along the way . Drakon didn't even know who Lucien was . Lucien never saw Koschei . This person want Lucien to have a lackey .
Also noticing how they want to make Elain seem weak or less impressive for the feat Elain performed .
The twins would be as useless as Lucien is he was the one they knew from the beginning . They would be the Alis type of characters . Not the strong , brave , skilled characters they are now .
"There is zero plot showing how they are connected to Azriel" looks like they don't know how to reas their own words either . They literally stated that Azriel is their mentor . The last sentence makes as much sense as their entire ridiculous arc . Where did we ever see Azriel doing his spying job outside of ACOSF ? .
Not trying to be mean, but this is so hard 😔
Gwyn nor Emerie would ever be trusted to watch Nyx . Same goes for every non IC member (excluding N+C). They would be trusted with Nesta's kids though .
They are now theorizing that Nesta has ressurection powers through the mother , I'm so tired .
She was only able to save Feyre and Nyx because she gave back almost all the powers she stole .
She will never be able to do it again . It's just sad how far her fans are willing to go to make her OP (over powered)
Saw someone else's anon ask and this part was one of the parts that annoyed me :
"Want the twins to be what Gwyn and Emerie are" ?. Yet , it's the ribbon cutter fans who say that Gwyn and Emerie will be valuable assets for the NC and will be highly trusted by the IC .
Mind you Nuala and Cerridwen have been important since book 1 , they have been trusted by the IC (especially Azriel) for centuries before the series even started . They have so much impact that the toxic Gwyn fans often say she will befriend them (other than when the Gwyn fans aren't being classist ofcourse) .
"There is no comparision" this is the only part anon is right about but not in the way that they think . Nuala and Cerridwen didn't have to be created out of thin air just for Elain . They don't only have to be friends with Elain . They don't only have to see the image that Elain tries to project . They don't have to dismiss Elain's past mistakes just because she has grown now .
Elain , Nuala and Cerridwen have a natural , healthy , deep and realistic friendship . That is something the Valkyries don't and will never have .
Not going to even discuss the "the same importance in plot" part because let's be honest , actively helping the NC is much more important than being a gym buddy plotwise.
Can I just say I don't want any part of Vassien's story in Elriel's book/s. I don't think Vassien's and Elriel's story has to happen at the same time to work .
That just isn't why Vassien aren't together . We don't even know if Vassa feels a certain way towards Lucien . Also like I have said before we barely have anything about the Koschei plot , it's too interesting to be rushed .
Also instead of pushing Lucien's (and Eris's) irrelevant plotlines into Elriel's book , it can just be in Vassa's (since the FMC is always the true main character) book / novella .
Elain can't be truamatised for a few months after what happened to her but Nesta can be traumatised for over a year and Gwyn can be for 2 years ?
Mind you Elain is the reason ehy Nessian is alive , she also turned the tide of the war . With all that planning a depressed Elain did better than Nesta and many other , so what now ? .
Love how these Gwynriels don't know how to read especially when Elain being taken was on all of them but Elain in actuality because Nesta tried locating the cauldron and it then lured Elain . Also , should Gwyn fans really be talking about who is a stupid character ? They're fav girl was actually so annoying too .
Her stupid Gwyn , Emerie and Nesta are al laive because of Elain . Azriel and Feyre chose to go save Elain , Rhys encouraged it . I can see why they're so upset , no one wanted to risk their lives for the "Valkyries" .
Canon fact : the Valkyries spent hundreds of pages training only for them to struggle while surviving the BR even with cheating AND help . That is how you sit around and do nothing.
Elain does more for the plot than the redhead . ACoSF is wildely considered the worst ACOTAR book btw , and the ribbon cutters play a role in boring everyone to annoyance
I genuinely want to know why people want Vassa to be related to the Archeron sisters? and why they want her to turn immortal ?
Imagine thinking the second worst trio (the worst is the BoE) are going to be the next main characters . They already proved themselves imcompetent . No one wants any of their PoVs .
Also not their misogynistic fans (they get the misogyny from their favs ofcourse) trying to claim the pink heart for those losers.
witchy.