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your post about canto 6 made me realize how pm. skirts around the racism in the books theyre adapting if that makes sense. which, if the setting you're adapting them from doesn't have racism in it i guess makes sense but also. why would you choose two explicitly antiracist books to adapt then
youve gone over how the racism heathcliff is targeted with gets replaced by classism already, so ill talk about moby dick and specifically queequeg here. why the Fuck would you replace the og's being a polynesian royal thing with being fucking Ex-Middle.
like, moby dick isn't About racism the same way wuthering heights is but like. bookmael directly states that he had zero real reason to be afraid of queequeg besides racism and that overall he's an upstanding guy. why would you exchange that for an actual reasonable reason to be wary of someone.
and this other part is more to blame on how the canto was structured but they cut so much fucking cool shit from the book. yeah man the smee setup to ricardo payoff was great but where's fedellah, the guy who says the hearse line? where's daggoo, tashtego. where's yojo.
sorry to yap on here but i was possessed.
The Moby Dick adaptation is a good point. Having Queequeg, the character who faces explicit racist bias in the book, be in an actual organized crime gang does raises similar issues. The whole point of Queequeg's character being 'even though he's from a completely different background and culture, he's an upstanding kind guy, much better than those claiming to be Christian and acting un-Christian' kind of goes against the Middle (actual criminal gang).
And yeah I was sad to see that Tashtego didn't feature. She could have been a beautiful cool and strong woman. I also wanted Fedallah.
Canto 3 Theory: Demian and Kromer
TLDR: Kromer was used as a pawn by N Corp to activate the golden bough.
As of now, we know how Hermann operates - show people the possibilities in the mirror to exercise control over them. From Canto 3's events and NFaust's story, we can assume Kromer was shown Sinclair and herself purging heretics in the mirror. Kromer used Sinclair's hatred of prosthetics to advance her own interests, unaware that Hermann was doing the very same thing to her.
I think that N Corp knows a certain Sinner is needed for the golden bough to resonate - this is due to Sonya being in cahoots with Hermann. Sonya is strongly implied to have let Rodya commit her sin and indirectly kill dozens, and he anticipated the golden bough resonating with her. Thus, it can be presumed that the golden bough needs both a sin, and a Sinner to confront said sin to be activated. Demian carries out a similar plan of action - he lets Sinclair's tragedy play out, "as if it was all just part of a process" (Sinclair's words).
During the events of canto 3, the goal of N Corp and Demian's formation is to make Sinclair resonate with the golden bough. At the moment, they are not placing much importance on retrieving the branch. As long as all the activated golden boughs are theirs at the end, they're more than happy to take losses for now.
Kromer was used by N Corp - they showed her Sinclair, another person with a dislike for prosthetics, and what existed in the Lobotomy Corporation branch in his basement. She saw peccatula/abnormalities as a form of human wholeness, hence the corroded enemies in Canto 3.
Kromer calls Sinclair her key - for both her grudge, and also to activate the golden bough. When Sinclair comes closer and fights her, the golden bough resonates harder and turns her into a ... distortion-peccatula thing. Although the bough showed her fathoms, it doesn't belong to her - when the golden bough is used improperly, it causes such ill-effects.
To summarise Demian's final words: - The world will soon be reborn, and a very small number of special people will become stars and be able to go there. - Kromer tried to become an old god, and recreated the situation in which Sinclair lost the first coin. - In the end, they ended up creating false imagery, something they loathed so deeply.
If we assume that the false imagery is what Kromer saw in the mirror, it can be interpreted as "in reality, such a world could never happen here, but she tried her best to recreate it." The mirror shows different things depending on who is looking at it, but Kromer didn't know that - only a possibility she wanted to see happen no matter what.
Canto 2 Theory: Rodya's Sin, Sonya's Plan
After my re-read of Canto 2, I began to think that Rodya's sin might be more closely linked to Sonya than I thought. Also, Sonya may be worse than I initially thought. This will get long:
Canto 8 thoughts now that I've finally reached Pass On.
To preface: I enjoyed the canto. Hong Lu is my favourite Sinner of all. I read the whole of dotrc and watched the drama. I loved it. Having said that...
I do not think kim jihoon read dream of the red chamber. Which... yeah, fair. He's probably on a schedule of 4 hours sleep every day. However, with parts of the canto it becomes very much obvious that he has not engaged with the book.
Reasoning:
The large amount of original NPCs in comparison to book characters. This is probably the biggest giveaway - I don't even mean the likes of Jia Qiu and Zilu, but moreso no-names from the Wang, Shi and Jia families scattered across the canto. Almost none of our part 2 opponents, bar Xue Pan, exist in the book at all. It is a slightly strange decision to make, given the absurd amount of named characters in the book.
There's also the lack of several major characters. I think that every single book reader truly believed Wang Xifeng would play a role in the canto. She plays a major role in running the Jia household, and several of the most dramatic scenes in the novel feature her. I love that they kept Xiren, but having so many multifaceted and beloved characters trimmed away is a little jarring. Yingchun and Tanchun are also nowhere to be seen, and there is zero reference to Zhen Baoyu. A good chunk of important book characters, themes and scenes are completely cut out.
On a similar note, the major altering of defining plot and character points. Daiyu's main trait is her sickliness and proneness to tears, as well as her unending love for Baoyu. Baoyu and Daiyu's relationship steadily develop over the years, until Daiyu sheds all her tears and dies of a broken heart the day of Baochai and Baoyu's wedding. While her tough cookie adaptation self has grown on me very much, she does not resemble book Daiyu. Limbus Cathy resembles book Daiyu much more. Daiyu and Hong Lu love each other, but are destined to not be together in this lifetime (hello canto 6). There is a recurring theme of limbus taking complex female characters and completely altering them.
While book Baoyu is spoiled and coddled by his grandma, limbus Baoyu's trauma is almost solely due to Evil Old Dowager. Book Baoyu is beaten by his father over a false accusation, while his mother sobs and loudly proclaims "a hundred Baoyus could die if her eldest son would come back to life". Book Grandma ran out to stop Baoyu from being beaten half to death. While definitely not innocent in the sense of classism and feudalism, she and Yuanchun are one of the kindest people to Baoyu, raising him and teaching him from childhood. Having two kind female characters turned cartoonishly evil is a questionable decision.
And Baochai. She bears zero resemblance to her book self - the leap is bigger than book cathy and limbus cathy by far. Book Baochai adheres to tradition, suppresses her emotions and pursues marriage to Baoyu as a practical rather than romantic choice. She is very aware of her position as an upper-class Woman, of the limitations cast upon her. Her open personality in limbus is the polar opposite of her book self, though her actions can be very much read as a survival tactic rather than genuine bubbliness. Knowing full well Baoyu's heart is not with her, she still acts as a model wife and urges Baoyu to study to fulfill his duties as a man. Limbus Baochai, although kind, is still painted as a somewhat jilted lover in the epilogue who genuinely loves Hong Lu beyond what's best for her wellbeing and safety. Writing her as a shojo-esque bubbly guro loving romantic girl does somewhat of a disservice to her original character.
I would not have minded cartoonishly evil Grandma or Yuanchun, had they shown evidence of them actually reading the book. There are several cartoonishly evil villains, men and women, in the book - who are all completely ignored in favour of turning kind side characters evil. As far as I know, none of the side characters in limbus bear any resemblance to their book counterparts. Xue Pan is a entitled, sleazy and corrupt man who routinely. abuses his power. Baoyu's father is a heavy-handed traditionalist who almost beat his son to permanent ass damage. Baoyu's mother harms the livelihoods of several of Baoyu's maids on multiple occasions, having a hand in destroying his friendship with the maids around him. Jia Huan is a mean younger brother who is jealous of him, and is generally disliked and mistreated by the household. Limbus' adaptation of Baoyu is pretty great, but that is unfortunately where it ends - none of the other characters act remotely like their book selves.
There's also distinct lack of novel easter eggs, scenes and themes compared to cantos such as 3 and 6. The most notable elements taken from the canon source material is the famous poem by Daiyu, Jia Zhen's search for immortality, and Baoyu's altered mental states after losing his jade mirroring Hong Lu's dissociation. This is also very loosely extracted -the poem by Daiyu laments her own fragile and short life, comparing it to the flowers that scatter. Jia Zhen ingests a bunch of metals to achieve immortality and dies. Baoyu's mental state fluctuates even after losing the jade, returning to near-normal when he's tricked into believing he's marrying Daiyu. Other notable scenes they never included - Baoyu being burned by Jia Huan, Baoyu almost being cursed to death by Jia Huan's mom, the formation of the Poetry Club, the false marriage, Baoyu visiting Land of Illusion.
Baoyu's Land of Illusion is never explained - in the Japanese/Korean version, Hong Lu's EGO is named 虚幻境 while the scenery in Canto 8 is clearly marked 太虚幻境. This distinction is never explained, and "Let's visit the land of illusion" is also never explained. It can be very loosely interpreted as an inner world where his inner child lives, but there is absolutely zero discernible importance within the story.
I know that the popular response to source material adaptation critique is "of course it won't be 1:1" - which I agree. I would not have minded a non-romantic Daiyu and Baoyu. I would not have minded every single side character being cartoonishly evil. I would have even tried looked past them ignoring all gendered oppression and converting it into familial violence and classism. Statistically, I doubt most players have read the massive novel, and perhaps they knew this and took so many liberties with the book. I cannot blame that - but it is very disappointing that the majority of dotrc readers are voicing disappointment, saying they would have gone into the canto blind and enjoyed it much more. I don't think it's a good adaptation if the source readers are largely disappointed.
To explain it in a different context, picture a Romeo and Juliet adaptation - except Romeo and Juliet don't ever love each other and survive till the end, Rosaline is head over heels with Romeo, Mercutio straight up doesn't exist, and the big bad villain of the whole canto is Friar Lawrence. Or picture a Little Women adaptation where half of the sisters are gone. Although liberties can and should be taken, there is a point where readers will go "If this is your take on this book, you probably didn't actually read it from start to finish".
While the canto has grown on me, canto 8 is better enjoyed as a totally original story rather than anything related to Dream of the Red Chamber. I still recommend reading the novel - it's an amazing story with many entertaining adaptations. It is just unfortunate that the limbus adaptation does not make the read worthwhile, and instead makes it less immersive for those who read the book prior.
God yes - I am, so fucking sick of being told to "stop nitpicking" because "this was never meant to be adaption!" When it feels like KJH just, skimmed a Wikipedia page because this is one of the works of Chinese literature (and also mentioned multiple times in Borges' works, who we know he loves), took out a few names he liked, and ignored everything else. Like I feel like even using one of the heavily abridged versions that cut out everything not involving Baoyu would at least give us something vaguely recognisable as SotS. Also people really need to learn the difference between adapting a story's scenes 1:1 and adapting their themes - some of the best retellings have fuck all to do with their original setting because they have the themes done well (like the most famous retelling of The Odyssey being set in 1920s Dublin), While retellings that copy all the shots but have none of the themes is like, every Disney live action. But even like, on a basic level, they didn't even fucking say the line. The "truth becomes fiction when fiction's true/reality becomes unreal when the unreal's true" line. That's like, doing Moby Dick without saying "Call me Ishmael" or Wuthering Heights without "Our hearts are made of the same stuff/in breaking your heart you have broken mine". It's like, the line. I think it's only mention in game is on the gate in his ego written in Chinese?
Oh, you hit a lot of points I forgot about lol. I think it's kind of sad and ironic that all my fanfiction I wrote pre-reading the book predicted far more aspects in the canto than any theories I made after my read. This kind of brings me to the whole "I think KJH just read a wikipedia summary" thing, because I watched the drama alongside the book and even a drama-only would not do the things they did in canto 8. I was waiting for the "truth becomes fiction when fiction becomes real" thing because it was so iconic and everything! I was really excited for it! but ... yeah.
I do think there was intentionality in how they created Baochai but honestly, it felt a little bit offputting anyhow. She could have easily been like "Baoyu, this is beneficial to both of us and our families. We need to marry. Now, snap out of your illusions." I don't really recall PJM characters doing over the top stereotyped femininity, and we don't see any of these gender roles being enforced in H Corp or otherwise... so it felt very abrupt.
I also think they did reference Jia Huan from the book because yeah, limbus Huan seems like an asshole abusive brother at first (god knows how much fanart I've seen where he's doing just that). I think the tea thing might be giving them too much credit - if they haven't included the likes of Wang Xifeng, the spanking scene, and all the other iconic scenes, I doubt they pinpointed the tea thing.
Independent of the whole adaptation thing, I really wish they at least told us what Jia Huan's name was before the Fuckening. God knows when we're gonna ever have lore drops of him again, so I wish we had just a little bit more. When Yuanchun was introduced I genuinely thought it was Xifeng - she'd work perfectly in her role. And when we had that Hunger Games Announcer I thought that surely had to be Xifeng. Ha. Haha. I'm taking a huge L here. Even if I read this in the best faith possible and say Maaaybe they'll cover the rest of the book, from the infamous scenes to Xifeng to Yingchun to the fake marriage plot.... Grandma's gone. H Corp has a Not Shit leader. The setup would be like mush.
To be honest, the whole Confucius thing made me head tilt but I also don't know much about that stuff to say much. But it did really confuse me that he was the deus ex machina Good Guy when the whole novel is like 'confucian influenced ideals in society is tearing me apart'. Thought there'd at least be some sort of commentary on feudalist and confucian society... but I didn't see it? It's frustrating because limbus has done decent adaptations with c1 and c3. I guess the books were short enough that they were actually read.
Canto 8 is very very well written compared to Canto 7, on a purely story level. I cared about the characters, the plot was fleshed out properly. C7 barely had the plot of Don Quixote at all. I think it's a bit crazy how KJH's response to a long text is to not adapt any plot elements at all, considering I was also too lazy to read the book but I decided to read an abridged children's book instead. And I still knew enough to know none of this was Cervantes' doing.
I wish I didn't have to go "I would have absolutely loved this canto if I were blissfully unaware of the book until now". But that is exactly how I'm feeling right now and it's really unfortunate.
Canto 8 thoughts now that I've finally reached Pass On.
To preface: I enjoyed the canto. Hong Lu is my favourite Sinner of all. I read the whole of dotrc and watched the drama. I loved it. Having said that...
I do not think kim jihoon read dream of the red chamber. Which... yeah, fair. He's probably on a schedule of 4 hours sleep every day. However, with parts of the canto it becomes very much obvious that he has not engaged with the book.
Reasoning:
The large amount of original NPCs in comparison to book characters. This is probably the biggest giveaway - I don't even mean the likes of Jia Qiu and Zilu, but moreso no-names from the Wang, Shi and Jia families scattered across the canto. Almost none of our part 2 opponents, bar Xue Pan, exist in the book at all. It is a slightly strange decision to make, given the absurd amount of named characters in the book.
There's also the lack of several major characters. I think that every single book reader truly believed Wang Xifeng would play a role in the canto. She plays a major role in running the Jia household, and several of the most dramatic scenes in the novel feature her. I love that they kept Xiren, but having so many multifaceted and beloved characters trimmed away is a little jarring. Yingchun and Tanchun are also nowhere to be seen, and there is zero reference to Zhen Baoyu. A good chunk of important book characters, themes and scenes are completely cut out.
On a similar note, the major altering of defining plot and character points. Daiyu's main trait is her sickliness and proneness to tears, as well as her unending love for Baoyu. Baoyu and Daiyu's relationship steadily develop over the years, until Daiyu sheds all her tears and dies of a broken heart the day of Baochai and Baoyu's wedding. While her tough cookie adaptation self has grown on me very much, she does not resemble book Daiyu. Limbus Cathy resembles book Daiyu much more. Daiyu and Hong Lu love each other, but are destined to not be together in this lifetime (hello canto 6). There is a recurring theme of limbus taking complex female characters and completely altering them.
While book Baoyu is spoiled and coddled by his grandma, limbus Baoyu's trauma is almost solely due to Evil Old Dowager. Book Baoyu is beaten by his father over a false accusation, while his mother sobs and loudly proclaims "a hundred Baoyus could die if her eldest son would come back to life". Book Grandma ran out to stop Baoyu from being beaten half to death. While definitely not innocent in the sense of classism and feudalism, she and Yuanchun are one of the kindest people to Baoyu, raising him and teaching him from childhood. Having two kind female characters turned cartoonishly evil is a questionable decision.
And Baochai. She bears zero resemblance to her book self - the leap is bigger than book cathy and limbus cathy by far. Book Baochai adheres to tradition, suppresses her emotions and pursues marriage to Baoyu as a practical rather than romantic choice. She is very aware of her position as an upper-class Woman, of the limitations cast upon her. Her open personality in limbus is the polar opposite of her book self, though her actions can be very much read as a survival tactic rather than genuine bubbliness. Knowing full well Baoyu's heart is not with her, she still acts as a model wife and urges Baoyu to study to fulfill his duties as a man. Limbus Baochai, although kind, is still painted as a somewhat jilted lover in the epilogue who genuinely loves Hong Lu beyond what's best for her wellbeing and safety. Writing her as a shojo-esque bubbly guro loving romantic girl does somewhat of a disservice to her original character.
I would not have minded cartoonishly evil Grandma or Yuanchun, had they shown evidence of them actually reading the book. There are several cartoonishly evil villains, men and women, in the book - who are all completely ignored in favour of turning kind side characters evil. As far as I know, none of the side characters in limbus bear any resemblance to their book counterparts. Xue Pan is a entitled, sleazy and corrupt man who routinely. abuses his power. Baoyu's father is a heavy-handed traditionalist who almost beat his son to permanent ass damage. Baoyu's mother harms the livelihoods of several of Baoyu's maids on multiple occasions, having a hand in destroying his friendship with the maids around him. Jia Huan is a mean younger brother who is jealous of him, and is generally disliked and mistreated by the household. Limbus' adaptation of Baoyu is pretty great, but that is unfortunately where it ends - none of the other characters act remotely like their book selves.
There's also distinct lack of novel easter eggs, scenes and themes compared to cantos such as 3 and 6. The most notable elements taken from the canon source material is the famous poem by Daiyu, Jia Zhen's search for immortality, and Baoyu's altered mental states after losing his jade mirroring Hong Lu's dissociation. This is also very loosely extracted -the poem by Daiyu laments her own fragile and short life, comparing it to the flowers that scatter. Jia Zhen ingests a bunch of metals to achieve immortality and dies. Baoyu's mental state fluctuates even after losing the jade, returning to near-normal when he's tricked into believing he's marrying Daiyu. Other notable scenes they never included - Baoyu being burned by Jia Huan, Baoyu almost being cursed to death by Jia Huan's mom, the formation of the Poetry Club, the false marriage, Baoyu visiting Land of Illusion.
Baoyu's Land of Illusion is never explained - in the Japanese/Korean version, Hong Lu's EGO is named 虚幻境 while the scenery in Canto 8 is clearly marked 太虚幻境. This distinction is never explained, and "Let's visit the land of illusion" is also never explained. It can be very loosely interpreted as an inner world where his inner child lives, but there is absolutely zero discernible importance within the story.
I know that the popular response to source material adaptation critique is "of course it won't be 1:1" - which I agree. I would not have minded a non-romantic Daiyu and Baoyu. I would not have minded every single side character being cartoonishly evil. I would have even tried looked past them ignoring all gendered oppression and converting it into familial violence and classism. Statistically, I doubt most players have read the massive novel, and perhaps they knew this and took so many liberties with the book. I cannot blame that - but it is very disappointing that the majority of dotrc readers are voicing disappointment, saying they would have gone into the canto blind and enjoyed it much more. I don't think it's a good adaptation if the source readers are largely disappointed.
To explain it in a different context, picture a Romeo and Juliet adaptation - except Romeo and Juliet don't ever love each other and survive till the end, Rosaline is head over heels with Romeo, Mercutio straight up doesn't exist, and the big bad villain of the whole canto is Friar Lawrence. Or picture a Little Women adaptation where half of the sisters are gone. Although liberties can and should be taken, there is a point where readers will go "If this is your take on this book, you probably didn't actually read it from start to finish".
While the canto has grown on me, canto 8 is better enjoyed as a totally original story rather than anything related to Dream of the Red Chamber. I still recommend reading the novel - it's an amazing story with many entertaining adaptations. It is just unfortunate that the limbus adaptation does not make the read worthwhile, and instead makes it less immersive for those who read the book prior.
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Played the Nocturnal Sweeping Intervallo and one thing stuck out to me like a sore bellend. (Spoilers ahead!)
The narrative is suddenly scathingly mean to Heathcliff.
And not in a good way. The other Sinners continue to imply he's unintelligent, which has been repeatedly brought up in Canto 6 as a way to demean him. While there were also mean-spirited comments in LCB Check-up, I hoped that it was a one-off occurrence.
Nope. In Nocturnal Sweeping, they kick it up by having the Sinners collectively excuse physical violence to shut him up - after he spoke up indignantly on behalf of Vergilius. Several of them take the stance that Heathcliff should have kept his voice down, but it's so uncharacteristically mean that Dante comments on it inwardly.
Which means it's happening on purpose - possibly for a narrative later down the line. Of course, with how Limbus utilizes foreshadowing, I would argue that this is the case. Much like Timekilling Time delving deeper into Rodya's insecurities, a future Intervallo may have Heathcliff snap from the constant misunderstandings and prodding.
That is the best faith reading of all this sudden picking-on-Heathcliff business. And I still think it sucks.
Post-Canto 6 Heathcliff suffers from the exact same fate Canto 6 did. He suffers endlessly, with very little support from people around him - and the payoff is just not cathartic or satisfying relative to his suffering. Heathcliff is continuously mocked, berated, abused throughout his life. He leaves, comes back, and is subject to mistreatment once more. The Sinners don't back him up. He distorts. Still trudges on.
What does he get in return? No bough. His childhood butler betraying him. His lover deleted from existence. The Sinners, all witnesses to each other's trauma and healing, remembering jack fuck all about his trauma and stepping on his wounds constantly.
Canto 6 and its aftermath can hardly be called cathartic. Post-Intervallo Heathcliff suffers from this, but worse - he's come to love his colleagues, outright considering them a found family. What he gets in return is a mean-spirited comment every new event, and now actual violence.
The canonical victim of severe childhood abuse being subject to slapstick violence hardly leaves a pleasant aftertaste. But another crucial point remains - it reflects badly on the other Sinners. While Ishmael's shortness is not out of character, her most recent comments questionable at best, it still makes her look bad on a narrative level. Heathcliff pulls her out of her literal shell of despair, respecting her as a seafarer and teammate. What do they make her do in return? Continue to jab at him, miss every opportunity to parallel his symbolic action of "pulling her out of despair".
While Ryoshu's violent tendencies are hardly OOC, and Rodya's irritation at Heathcliff's loud ranting may be justified, it still serves the narrative purpose of several colleagues pinpointing Heathcliff as an issue that needs fixing. In a violent manner, no less. While several reasonings can be made to justify their individual actions (the memory wipe, misunderstandings of Canto 6 events, foreshadowing...), it does not change the simple facts of the matter. Heathcliff, forced to live on bare minimum for most of his life, is being mistreated by the closest people in his life.
I do not like seeing my favourite characters treat another favourite character in such manner.
I enjoyed Heathcliff and Ishmael beefing in SEA. I enjoyed Outis and Ishmael bitching at each other in Canto 5. I loved seeing Rodya crash out and lash out in TKT. I like character conflict and unlikeable personality clashes when it is written well.
Heathcliff's treatment feels like a one-sided beatdown, played for laughs rather than addressing Sinner conflicts. Instead of having two Sinners creating friction with one another (Much like Ishmael and Heathcliff up to Canto 5), it's several Sinners being written into scenes that end with Heathcliff as the punchline. I do not see the need for this. I do not see how all of these scenes will accumulate into a satisfying Intervallo where they are tied together. Rather, it feels like waiting for Heathcliff's inevitable Canto 6 distortion while nobody stood up to his abusers.
I genuinely hope that Canto 8 will lay off on Heathcliff - I love Sinner camaraderie, and everything in the Intervallo bar this issue has laid the groundwork for some amazing interactions.
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I read Dream of the Red Chamber so you don't have to - feat. Canto 8 theories
Overview
Dream of the Red Chamber is the longest of the Sinners' original texts, and one of China's most famous classics. Jia Baoyu was born with a jade in his mouth, which he always carries as a necklace. His cousin of the same age, Lin Daiyu, has been orphaned and has to live with Baoyu and his family. Baoyu enjoys playing and writing poetry with his sisters, cousins and maids, but various factors lead to the downfall of the Jia family.
Characters, themes and predictions under the cut. Very, very long so be warned:
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Oooo I can feel the sin analysis brainworms doing their work
Not my circus (as of right now) but may I recommend @enkephallic 's post about Skill-sins?
...So I had another follow-up thought. Most baseline theories stay the same apart from gloom, which I now have a slightly different view of.
Oh boy the Intervallo gave a LOT of food for thought! I've been cooking up some updated analyses for the sin types, I'll mostly just add on to the original post because I still share a lot of my original thoughts. This feels like good timing.
Wrath - Being unable to accept something, wanting to destroy something. The Intervallo words it as "burning down until there's nothing left" - which explains a lot of why Liu and burn units have it.
Lust - Deeply desiring something, possibly related to one's own fate or existence. It makes sense why so many Ryoshu IDs have it as her S3. I think in relation to Gregor, it's wanting to be a part of something - which he is, in Edgar ID, Bloodfiend ID and G Corp ID. For Rodya I suspect it's being a leader/parent role of a family-like structure. LCB Heathcliff's lust also makes sense, given how his feelings for Cathy propelled him to change fate itself.
Sloth - Having no direction, throwing away what was once important to them. Will stay in the same place without anything to push them. LCB Gregor and Yi Sang are pretty straightforward with this, given their learned apathy and withdrawn attitude. Zwei Sinclair is much better at cutting his losses and giving up on saving all lives.
Gluttony - Wanting satisfaction but never quite getting it. LCB Don Quixote was holding down her urges in a way that would eventually not last. W Corp Hong Lu is just bored with his work. Zwei Ishmael doesn't plan on staying at her job forever, because she doesn't feel fulfilled.
Gloom - Giving up and sinking deeper and deeper into themselves. Wildhunt Heathcliff going on a grief-stricken rage and destroying everything in his way. A lot of Gregor IDs who are seemingly just 'getting by'. LCB Ishmael, consumed by her pain and having it control her completely.
Pride - Human hubris. The Intervallo uses inventions and technology to explain this, which is probably why so many gun IDs have pride as their S3. It probably is related to how easily they take lives while thinking they're special - LCB Ryoshu and some Salsu Identities show this.
Envy - Least explained in the Intervallo. The feeling of wanting something someone else has, or like something has been unfairly been taken from you. Seen with Pequod Heathcliff who lost everything, W Corp IDs who give their charge or HP in exchange for power, LCCB Rodya who couldn't become a Sinner.