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Hi! I'm MR (yes, with the capital letters) or Crazy and my pronouns are She/Her, though I don't mind They/Them and Very Much Do Mind He/Him! This is my Mandalorian Focused side blog, the main being @mrfandomwars, that was made because I wanted to have a place focused on the Mandalorians alone.
Some random facts:
- I'm Pro New Mandalorians
- I'm Pro Jedi
- I do not believe in the Korkie Kenobi Theory
- My main Mando Blorbo is Tarre Vizsla
- I tend to go with Canon and not Legends, that last one sure gave me a headache when it comes to my faves being mistreated by fans
(Daily Reminder that Feen Rau was a new mandalorian!)
If you have any questions, I have my inbox open!
EDIT: I just made a Pro-New Mandos and Pro-Satine Community, feel free to join here!
Below is my Masterpost, including posts from my main blog!
Canon Information:
History of Mandalore (Transcription Here)
Jango Fett In Canon (No Legends) - Brief Summary
Star Wars The Fact File Part 98 - Planet Mandalore
Star Wars: Build The Millennium Falcon - #68
Plus some interpretations here
Star Wars Roleplaying Game - Age Of Rebellion: Friends Like This - Mandalorian Bits And Pieces
Metas:
Mandalorian Cubism and it's commentary on War
Jaster is a Strong, Independent Man and he needs no Darksaber to be Mando'alor!
Of Death Cults And Exile
The Traditionalists were Assholes, probably
Of Duchesses and Presidents <- Old Post
What Dukes are in the Mandalorian Government and their role prior to the Civil War
(HEADCANON) How I think the Nobility in Mando'ade works
*Beats Mando Jedi Knight Grogu Away With A Broom*
Mandalorian Jedi Their Hardships
The Resol'nare
The Way Of Mandalore
True Mandalorians and New Mandalorians Got Along
Fanon True Mandalorians = Canon New Mandalorians
"Satine enforced her pacifism in the Mandalorians" makes No Sense
Minority VS Majority
Mandalorians WERE happy with the change Satine bought
The Old Mandalorians were part of the Extremist Warrior Minority
Mandalorian Diversity
Satine Kicked Out Mando Elon Musk, more at seven
About that Almec's line...
New Mandalorians Did actually wear armour
1. And have a list of reasons why they probably didn't wear the full suits
The Traditionalists were NOT repressed for being in concordia
2.Aaaaand more examples of them wearing armour and other similarties (that both have and don't have to do with armour)
And another post about this with me being more annoyed this time
-Tarre Focused
New Canon Timeline Of Tarre Vizsla
Thoughts On His Position As A Jedi and Mando'alor
LET HIM BE BITTER
Funeral Rites and Possible Lack of there of
Analysing his statue
A Mixture of two cultural styles
He Possibly didn't die in battle
What the kark happened to your armour, buddy
-Darksaber Focused
It's Current Uses
Independent Saber With No Master
It's only used as a symbol of leadership in the Death Watch/House of Vizsla
Stop using 'it's Mandalorian!' to excuse it being stolen
Lightsabers and souls, a thought about the Darksaber
It's Curse and how Mandalorians are falling for it
Headcanons:
Beskar Padawan Beads (bc Mando Jedi)
Tarre with them :3
Please Consider this alternate interpretation for when mixing Legends and Canon together
Tarre Has A Jedi Order Symbol, not a Shriek-Hawk
Jedi Temple Guard Tarre
Tarre's essays
Mango Thoughts
Jango's Terrible Jokes
My Favourite Mandalorian Headcanon
Kage Heritage Tarre!!!
Aran Tal Is A New Mandalorian
Royal Academy Armour
Are the Journeyman Protectors... well, journeymen?
I'm losing my mind about how many people in fandom consider Satine naive and weak which we only hear in the source material from Dooku(a literal sith) and people involved with Death Watch(a group trying to undermine her rule by painting her in false light) when it's just not true. Firstly, she's a politician who rose to power in war-torn world in a young age and I don't think she could've managed that if she wasn't smart. Like she couldn't navigate power dynamics among politicians who have more experience and probably more influence than her if she was just someone delusional without any backing to her competence. She rebuilt a system from its ruins(that includes everything from infrastructure of cities to education system to healthcare...) and established a stable government that stood for two decades. I know there were corruption within her government but that was when war began, a time when everything was unusual, and she dealt with it eventually. As for Death Watch I think it was inevitable that there would be opposition to her rule considering the magnitude of Civil War that ended with her coronation as duchess. It is also stated in TCW by multiple characters that the majority of Mandalorians were in favor of Satine and New Mandalorians in general up until Death Watch teamed up with Maul (which was an outcome impossible to predict by anyone imo). And even then Satine accepts people she has devoted her life to choosing Vizsla as their ruler over her because unlike Vizsla or Maul she never needed a false invasion or fear mongering to sustain her rule. On top of that she clocks Palpatine's bs several times in her limited screentime, humbles Obi-wan for fun and holds peace talks in her planet, making an effort to keep war out of as many systems as possible, is a third party in the war along with Palpatine and Dooku and doesn't give up her ideals in even the brink of death. Rip Satine Kryze you were the last true leader Mandalore had.
People in Star Wars fandom will say stuff like "I support women's wrongs!" And "We need more complex women!" And then on the same sentence hate Ahsoka for being Annoying, hate Satine because she was mean to Obi-Wan once, and hate Padmé for being Padmé.
When people applaud the True Mandalorians for their "warrior and 'survival of the fittest' culture" all I hear is "we love that these guys liked to let disabled people die"
#truly the ppl who are like '(true) mandos are best cause survival of fittest'#and then at the same time theyre like '(true) mandos are most inclusive wrt disabilities too'#huh??? is that cognitive dissonance hurting you?#what about the fact that a bunch of mando insults boil down to whether youre physically abled?#or; even if those who are injured in the course of war are 'ok'#what about those who dont become disabled through '''honorable''' reasons ie fighting?
the "honorable reasons for disability" really gets me because...look. the objective fact is that mandalorians have civilians. not every single one is a warrior. there are, at minimum, children who got caught in their million civil wars that they fight with horrific weapons that eventually irradiated their planet. there is no way mandos DON'T have a massive childhood war injury/disability/trauma problem and yet their society is entirely hinged on physical fitness to fight. it is just fucked no matter how you look at it unless you're deciding to be delusionally optimistic about everything because you just want a conquering warrior culture free of all of its moral pitfalls
#which is whatever i guess#i know i'm in the minority bc i like mandos and also think it would suck ass to be a mandalorian#but then again i also like the new mandos and that's a crime in most of the mando fandom#sw#honestly sometimes when i see ppl's takes on mandos i'm like...you really think THESE dudes are gonna build your queer socialist utopia#get fucking real
#'mandos are so inclusive uwu'#they are (for a great many of them) MERCENARIES. why would you even WANT them to be inclusive??#and yeah survival of the fittest doesn't really tend to produce fair minded societies lmao#By most continuities their preferred way of picking a leader involves beating the shit out of the previous one.#That automatically excludes the vast majority of disabled/physically unfit people from leadership
It’s kinda weird how people act like Jango is this ideal of fatherhood. If we only focus on Boba, I can see the argument for him being a loving father…But the second we factor in all the other clones, Jango becomes THE worst father in the franchise by far.
I've decided - I'm not sure if this is ever gonna come up in any of my fics at all, but it's true for all clone wars era fics of mine - that Kal Skirata is a big fuckin romantic and named A'den after Duke A'den Kryze, you know him and love him as Satine And BK's Dead Dad, Because Kal Had A Celebrity Crush
do you ever think about how Galidraan was at least 90% Jango Fett's fault??? Like the Jedi had enough evidence that the Haat Mando'ade had massacred civilians to be justified in wanting them to not be roaming free right now, and Dooku asked them to surrender and promised fair treatment, and Fett fucking opened fire. There was absolutely a chance for them to work to prove their innocence without combat, it was their own pride and hatred for the Jedi that prevented it, and yet everyone acts like Galidraan was a great Jedi crime against the innocent Mandalorians. More than half of the Jedi there were killed too, it's not like the Mandalorians weren't a threat that justified lethal force in defense of themselves and their comrades. Drives me nuts.
Your daily reminder that Satine hates killing people, does not want to kill people, would rather put her life in danger instead of killing people, she is ready to forgive the sister who spent years trying to kill her, she consoled the guy who tried to kill her with a bomb as he died, because she loves her people that much
And none of that are character flaws, it's her ideals, and she strives to respect that and not let life force her out of what she believes in
Sabine's canonical age means that she was born during the time Ursa was with Death Watch, so @blueberry-ry and I have gotten really into the idea of Ursa having Sabine with her during that time and Bo helping raise her :[ toxic yuri ursabo and their baby 'bine....
Every time Korkie is called a Kenobi an angel loses its wings 🙏
Even if his father was actually Obi-Wan, why would he magically become a Kenobi?
You don't see people going around calling Luke and Leia "Naberrie" after discovering about Padme, so why is "Kenobi" used as Korkie's "true identity" and his name as a "Kryze" is a "lie"?
Why is the man's surname more true than the woman's? Why does hers become invalid when his is "discovered"?
The new Mandalorian Visual Guide book is out, so let’s see what it says about the Sisters Kryze.
I’m actually appreciative of what was established. It doesn’t fix the fracked up canonical timeline, but it also doesn’t add to it either. Whether it was intentional or not, it also seems to suggest that Bo-Katan is not that much younger than Satine. (Everyone, rejoice!)
We FINALLY have a Satine mention. This is the first time that Bo-Katan has been said to have a sister (not just a father) since she was brought into live action.
This is also the first time we’ve had an “authoritative” (for better and worse) source that has canonized the idea that Bo-Katan felt overshadowed by Satine.
But keep that in mind. We’ll come back to it.
I’m grateful that they’re pushing against the idea that Satine somehow imposed pacifism on the Mandalorians. It’s already been canon for years that Satine was confirmed as leader by the Mandalorian clans, who were exhausted from endless wars and longing for peace.
I do not like the fact that Star Wars is leaning into the idea that Bo-Katan’s participation in Death Watch was “impulsive.” It’s such a cop-out to say that Bo joined a terrorist cult by accident instead of that she was once convinced by their violent, traditionalist rhetoric and later saw the error of her ways.
(But I’m not surprised given the fact that The Mandalorian has also ceased portraying Children of the Watch as a cut that Din needs to evolve beyond.)
The way Dave Filoni used to talk about Bo’s decision to join Death Watch seems to me to imply a measured and resolute decision, not a decision made by someone young and impetuous.
I have a rather lengthy backstory that even explains how [Bo] became a Death Watch soldier that goes all the way back to the time she and Satine are six. Because to figure out how she got to that point, and yet Satine is a duchess... I have a whole story about who their father was and what their relationships were and everything with Vizsla, going back for a very long time and how that intersects with Obi-Wan Kenobi. (2013)
(TBH, it’s a little strange and disconcerting that they are overemphasizing the fact that Satine’s death was caused by Maul, who *betrayed* Death Watch, as if Pre Vizsla wasn’t already planning to kill Satine himself. It suggests to me that they’re doing their best to explain away Bo-Katan’s time in Death Watch and likely have no plans to address that issue with any kind of weight.)
However, I’m actually surprised and pleased that they did not canonize that Bo-Katan was a teenager in TCW.
I was scared by the line “exposure to conflict since her teenage years” but that actually makes more sense if you assume her teenage years were during the Great Clan Wars (the same as Satine) as opposed to during Satine’s reign.
Which, as I’ve elucidated before, is also established by The Mandalorian itself by the fact that Bo-Katan says her father was present at her Creed Swearing ceremony, which seems to happen when Mandalorians are about 13.
Based on Adoniram Kryze’s death date, Bo cannot be more than four or so years younger than Satine.
To me, the line about Bo “in her youth” being overshadowed by Satine also suggests that they cannot be more than a couple years apart in age.
If Bo was in fact a teenager during The Clone Wars, then she would have been 15+ years younger than Satine. Both of her parents would have died shortly after Bo’s birth because they are dead before Satine meets Obi-Wan, and Satine would have raised her younger sister AND her nephew-son together.
Under that circumstance, it would be so ridiculous to say that Bo-Katan felt “overshadowed” by her sister, who was functioning as her mother.
Beyond that, the book established that Bo is proficient in the same style of jet pack combat that Din Djarin was trained in. It continues to be a mystery how Children of the Watch is connected to Death Watch, which discovered Din in the first place.
It’s interesting that they still listed Bo-Katan’s homeworld as Kalevala even though she says that she was “born on” Mandalore. Maybe Mandalore just has better hospitals than Kalevala.
I don’t think this is new, but Bo-Katan is also four inches shorter than Satine, which is strange to me, but it reflects the real life heights of Katee Sackhoff and Cate Blanchett.
See, what’s so funny about this is that they clearly want Bo-Katan to both be young enough to have a childhood with Satine but not be in her 60s in The Mandalorian.
I don’t like the idea that Bo-Katan joining Death Watch was an impulsive decision, buuuuuut … if that’s how they want to describe it to give her the appearance of being “younger” (to essentially downplay the idea of her being a true terrorist), then I guess I’ll accept it.
Especially if, like you said, there’s an element here where it’s Bo-Katan’s jealousy of Satine and desire to essentially establish herself as her own person that drives her down that path.
Now, at some point, the “impulsivity” can’t be used as an excuse anymore. If the implication is that Satine and Bo had a childhood together, then you also have to accept that by TCW, she is a grown-ass woman doing grown-ass terrorism.
But I guess what I’m saying is that the two ideas are not mutually exclusive. I can definitely see Bo-Katan becoming enamored by the rhetoric of Death Watch and the kind of romantic nostalgia that their warrior ethos probably represented to her because she wanted to eschew the pacifism of Satine (and their father) as fully as possible.
"If the implication is that Satine and Bo had a childhood together, then you also have to accept that by TCW, she is a grown-ass woman doing grown-ass terrorism."
"Why doesn't Jocasta let Jaster enter the Jedi Archives, he is an Academic he should be allowed to!" well you see, I think his little "I kill indiscriminately for the right amount of money" job might be something that Master Nu, a Jedi, does not like that much.
Duchess Satine forbade the people of Mandalore from speaking Mando’a, their native language, and forced them to speak only Galactic Basic, the language of the Republic. Here’s all of the evidence to prove it!
First off, we have … Oh, wait. Satine’s the only named character in The Clone Wars who speaks Mando’a, and she even uses the warrior dialect of the Concordians.
And hmm … there’s Mando’a on the police speeders.
(Also note that the police carry and use blasters and flame throwers, so she hasn’t outlawed weapons either. Mandalorians are also not forbidden from carrying weapons within the city, which is why the Death Watch terrorist pictured above was carrying a blaster. The only people forbidden from carrying weapons are outsiders ... and that was only a rule solidified in The Clone Wars Season 3.)
But surely the children are only taught Basic …
Nope! The children of Mandalore are taught both Basic and Mando’a, but you can see that Mando’a is what Korkie is using on his tablet.
It’s clear the children are bilingual. They use Mando’a for their studies, but Ahsoka’s presentation is in Basic. It's likely that they are using Basic to converse with her but speak Mando'a amongst themselves.
In fact, the only place in Sundari where we see Basic is on the dome’s exits (this says “Hangar 1”), with the implication that they are accommodating travelers.
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