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Greetings

[greenyvertekins]

While true, why do they keep details like "Modern and Classic are different dimensions not one timeline" to themselves instead of establishing it outright and preventing fans forming or assuming incorrect explanations for the differences?

To be fair, Naka did strongly hint at there being two worlds in a way in a Russian magazine interview in which he stated that Adventure was the first time “Sonic comes to the human world” or something along those lines, don’t remember the exact line.

[eyorto]

Late late post, but I’ll point out that it’s been claimed that the Two-Worlds situation is something Naka ordered or intended for the whole franchise rather than just Sonic X. Namely from Ian Flynn. 

Putting aside Naka’s actual word from interviews, it’s been said that the OVA (which did have Naka and Ohshima’s involvement) backed the Two-Worlds retcon since it had Planet Freedom (a post-apocalyptic Earth) have two cuts or regions of the planet called “dimensions.” Also from Ian Flynn.

Problem is that the actual word used in the Japanese is 次元, with “inner dimension” 内側の次元.“ Looking through acceptable sources for determining how JP words are actually used:

https://www.linguee.com/japanese-english/translation/%E6%AC%A1%E5%85%83.html

https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E6%AC%A1%E5%85%83

https://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=%e6%ac%a1%e5%85%83&pg=1

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=waalX8fDCODP0PEP3pySmAk&q=%22%E5%86%85%E5%81%B4%E3%81%AE%E6%AC%A1%E5%85%83%22+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fja.wikipedia.org%2F&oq=%22%E5%86%85%E5%81%B4%E3%81%AE%E6%AC%A1%E5%85%83%22+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fja.wikipedia.org%2F&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQA1DCH1jCH2DHJmgAcAB4AIABa4gB0AGSAQMwLjKYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6wAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiHqOKd1u7sAhXgJzQIHV6OBJMQ4dUDCAw&uact=5

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=k6SlX5vkIM6w0PEPgseowA4&q=%22%E5%86%85%E5%81%B4%E3%81%AE%E6%AC%A1%E5%85%83%22+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.jaea.go.jp&oq=%22%E5%86%85%E5%81%B4%E3%81%AE%E6%AC%A1%E5%85%83%22+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.jaea.go.jp&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECAAQR1Cx2w5Yke8OYI_yDmgAcAJ4AIABhQGIAd8CkgEDMC4zmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBAcABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjb-fCT1O7sAhVOGDQIHYIjCugQ4dUDCAw&uact=5

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22%E5%86%85%E5%81%B4%E3%81%AE%E6%AC%A1%E5%85%83%22

With this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension

We can see that the word “dimension” doesn’t actually wholly mean “other plane of reality” or even just “pocket world.” Considering we’re shown Planet Freedom as as one single globe (with Eggman’s planning being to destroy the floating continents and leave the Land of Darkness) rather than two globes (with the entrance to the Land of Darkness being just flying on a biplane through clouds rather than using Chaos Control or “Secret Warp Rings”), it’s doubtful Sonic OVA was meant to so show there was a planet of just animals and a planet of just humies (since you know, Sonic and Da President live in the same cut of Planet Freedom0).

And with that, I’ve posted enough on tumblr and visited tumblr enough forever and even linked to tumblr enough forever. Farewell for good or for eternity.

[greenyvertekins]

Looking at one of your posts on Sonic team of Japan's thoughts on western cartoons. Peter Morawiec of Sega technical institute of america in a interview with Sega-16 said Naka's team visited the DIC headquarters to see a preview of the Sonic Cartoon(Aosth & loose plans of SatAM). Peter says they sat through the storyboards stone faced, so he presumed they didn't like it. Thats pretty much all we know on their thoughts.

I know.

Truth be told, if I was Sonic Team and I bore witness to what DiC did to my studio’s star creation(s), I’d be absolutely livid.

[greenyvertekins]

Saw in the tags that you said that Naka hated SatAM and was wondering if you had a link to an article or tweet. I'm kind of curious how he worded and expressed his opinion for it to be read as hatred.

I recall reading an interview a while back, might have been with Hurst (Though don’t quote me on that) and it was stated that SEGA and ST members were shown the proposal for SatAM. It was noted in particular that Naka did not look especially happy with what he was presented with, even looking disdainful.

[sonicfanj]

Considering how protective of Sonic Naka can be, I probably shouldn’t be surprised hearing this. In recent times he still complained about the movie design over the eyes, even after the redesign (though I’m with him that they just don’t sit right with me) and there was that interview a while back where he explained that the Adventure redesign was to put Sonic back on track from merchandising making him a cute character instead of a cool character. Considering what SatAM did to a story about someone who was pretty much designed like a Mediterranean adventure between the world wars (think Studio Ghibli’s Porco Ross or George Lucas’ Indiana Jones) I can understand his disdain. Unlike Oshima who is glad to support Sonic, Naka is way to protective, yet he let 06 happen when he walked out. I wonder if that says more about him or SEGA at the time. Anyway, thanks for answering. I look forward to seeing what your research turns up.

[greenyvertekins]

I’ve searched using Google Advanced Seach and can’t for the life of me find where he said this though I swear I read it, it stuck in my mind. Since Naka’s reaction was memorable for being such a contrast to Ohshima’s.

I KNOW that Ohshima made either a Tweet that expressed his love of American Sonic or tweeted a response to a fan his appreciation for US Sonic. I’ve been searching his Twitter for this particular comment but I’ve had no luck.

If anyone else remembers what I’m talking about, you’re more than welcome to enlighten me to the source :)

[greenyvertekins]

Any opinion about Planet Freedom from the OVA ?

I love those settings *_* Sonic and Tails practically owning their own island and living in a 747 is something that really appeals to me and the land of the sky…being in the sky and connected by glacier’s and the land of darkness being more terrestrial is such a kick-ass idea for a Sonic setting.

Wouldn’t mind it at all if such an idea made it’s way into the games. In fact I outright welcome it.

[greenyvertekins]

Oh no! Dr. Crusher's Eggmen are threatening to take over Sonic's World/Mobius/Planet Freedom/Earth! What would an opposing Team (of) Sonic(s) look like?

Game!Sonic would be happy if weirded-out by the existence of the other Sonic’s but would rally them to take on the doctors. He is the most prominent Sonic, hence the others for the most part consider him the leader.

STC!Sonic wastes no time in denigrating the other Sonic’s without provocation, insulting them as being less cooler than he. Other Sonic’s wonder what crept up his ass.He is that one team player that nobody likes but whom has to be tolerated.

SatAM!Sonic randomnly spews dated 90′s radicalisms. The other Sonic’s look at him like he’s a weirdo. When he insists on distracting robots with his speed so they can enact the plan, the other Sonic’s leave him in the dust mid-sentence. He struggles to keep up with his incredibly tame speed by comparison, annoyed that no one listened to him. STC!Sonic latches onto this and insults him especially.

Archie!Sonic wonders if all these Sonic’s came from the Cosmic Interstate. Being forced to act independently for a change insted of being dictated-to by Sally, he wonders what idea Game!Sonic has in store.

AoStH!Sonic isn’t with them. He took one look at Rouge’s tits and being the horndog that he is, is trying to romance her. The other Sonic’s consider him a liability because of this.

[greenyvertekins]

I think that one of my fanfic will take place on Planet Freedom, but the continents of the Land of the Sky would be zone from the games (Seaside Hill, Green Hill Zone...), Cities and locations from Sonic Unleashed (Apotos, Spagonia, Adabat, Central City...) and other locations (Angel Island, Never Lake, Green Forest, Little Planet)... Do you think it's a good idea to mix everything like that ?

I think it’s a fine idea and very creative :) Perhaps Angel Island could still technically be a part of the land of the sky only it’s at a higher elevation than any other location in it?

[greenyvertekins]

So what do you think of the OVA? Seeing as it's question time.

It’s always question time ‘round here *Dances*

Ah, that hour-long bit of awesomeness has a place in my heart when it comes to Sonic things I’m particularly fond of.

It incorporated game elements in such an amazingly endearing way even considering the liberties it took with stuff like Planet Freedom and such, which weren’t even a detraction anyway.

I always smile at Sonic and Tails’ journey to the Land Of Darkness with the Tornado and the Badnik’s, springs, spikes and other recognizably Sonicky things. Sweet little nods to the game universe that inspired the animation.

All of the characters were well-portrayed, questionable VA’ing in the dub aside. Sonic’s portrayal as that of a slightly assholish guy offset me at first but I came to accept and embrace it. I like how this Sonic has the brand of ‘attitude’ SoJ obviously intended for him. It’s a contrast to the ‘attitude’ SoA manufactured when they stuck their oar in regarding his portrayals in other parts of the franchise.

Knuckles’ incorporation was excellent and the right way IMO of making him look like an awkward character unlike the games nowadays.

Tails is exactly, EXACTLY how I always thought he’d act in the Classic games.

Animation, use of expression and manner of portraying the characters moves was also fantastic. Sonic moves believably in accordance with the games alongside his enhanced agility, TAILS ACTUALLY FLIES AND USES HIS TAILS AS WELL AS HIS MECHANICAL APTITUDE *LE GASP* And Knuckles manner of hovering rather than gliding was a bit odd but singling out that for any kind of contempt is just gratuitous nitpicking.

All of the characters have exuberant personalities and ways of expressing emotion.

Metal Sonic was a badass plain and simple.

And that soundtrack is cool beans. Pity there was never an official release.

I think the OVA is fairly unique and very interesting because it feels like it was an amalgamation of SoJ’s/Sonic Team’s ideas for the characters and world and it’s incredibly faithful in a multitude of areas despite it’s liberties which are still cool.

[greenyvertekins]

Are there any interesting tidbits in the intro/overview parts of that Adventure One guidebook floating around specifically focused on each hubworld (Station Square, Mystic Ruins, Egg Carrier)? Any translations for any of them?

No, the descriptions next to “ADVENTURE FIELD” pertain to story event progression, small recaps on what has or is going to go down and elaboration on the next objective(s).

Interestingly though, I learned a few more things.

- Chaos 4 has the ability to manipulate the water quality. This would explain why the water in the boss arena can harm your character; Chaos is causing it to be dangerous.

- E-101 Beta MKII has the power of “Phantom Movement”. Explains why he leaves afterimages and seems to disappear and reappear.

- In the Chao description (Above Tikal’s and Chaos’), speculation is provided as to why the Egg Carrier has a Chao Garden. One point made is that Dr Eggman may have an unexpected fondness for cute things.

- On the same page, Chaos is confirmed as having followed Dr Eggman just to regain the power he lost upon his sealing.

- The Egg Viper is 40 meters long.

[eyorto]

Sneaky boy Chaos

[greenyvertekins]

Hey Verte, I have a quick question regarding SEGA and Sonic. Do you know how much creative control SoA has over the franchise nowadays? Is there any official info about it?

Not really. I know they had a lot of control over Archie Sonic and still do with IDW. But the games, that’s a grey area.

[eyorto]

Imagine a world where Mangaverse Sonic was the one instead of Archie and all that

[greenyvertekins]

Wait.... doesn't Sonic know how to swim already!? A few stages in Sonic Free Riders actually required underwater swimming and Sonic got through those just fine... I think it's not so much that he does not know how to swim and more about a fear of drowning or having difficulty swimming because he sinks like a rock

I wouldn’t call frantic flailing of the limbs swimming.

[eyorto]

He runs through water. He just goes too fast to be seen doing such.

[greenyvertekins]

That era between Adventure and Unleashed/Colors just seem to be the bane of most Sonic characters' existence. If you weren't a S-named male hedgehog with a super form, you're automatically a secondary or background character. (Heck, you'd be lucky if you get to do anything at all that's noteworthy)

Don’t you mean the Colours+ era?

Because if anything, the cast got far more focus in the Adventure games, Heroes, ‘06 and to an extent the Storybook games (If you consider their Arabian/Arthurian counterparts them) than what they’ve got since Colours.

[greenyvertekins]

Does the "Sonic went away for a few years to train" thing exist in the english manual of Sonic Adventure 1?

The only reference to it is that he was away on a long journey.

Revisiting said translation of that part of the guide, the term used (修行) actually pertains to ascetic practices. I believe it is the JP term for Sādhanā.

Now I have the mind image of Sonic standing under a waterfall lol.

[eyorto]

Throw in Sonic’s headband and he’ll be complete in his training.

[greenyvertekins]

Was having a conversation on Twitter and it came up that Tails’ character designer imagined him as 5 when they worked on his design. I thought you might find that interesting, though the link is too their pixiv account so I don’t know if you can get too it without a google account at least

https://t.co/nlcwXpkXYZ?amp=1

Reply; I’ve read the text under this illustration before, included one thing revealed in it in my obscure facts masterpost (That Tails was originally designed without sclera). Yes, this art is by Yasushi Yamaguchi/Judy Totoya (The latter name is which he is credited under in Sonic 2′s credits), Tails’ creator.

Other interesting tidbits in Yamaguchi’s/Totoya’s comment are…

- The original idea was a Tanuki. - Tails initially only had a single tail. - Tails was never envisioned originally as female, that’s a misconception. - As you said, Tails was designed as a 5 year old despite being set to be 8. - Tails’ bangs were designed to emerge from the right side of his forehead, not the center (As his Modern self has). Tails’ bangs were centered after his first plush toys had the bangs sewn in the middle.

[eyorto]

Neat

[greenyvertekins]

Sorry. I'm the same anon who sent that short and accidental Chaotix ask. What I meant to ask is a translation request. Could you check if the JP version of Chaotix's manual said that there was movement within "the earth's crust" in there? I find the Windii translation interesting since if it's accurate, it'd be a sure example of a Genesis Era Sonic game referring to the planet they're on as Earth. In common language, we don't say stuff like "the earth" for Mars.

The term used is 地殻運動, which is the JP term for Diastrophism.

[eyorto]

huh

[greenyvertekins]

Can you translate Sonic's bios in the guidebooks for Adventure 1 and 2?

To date, I haven’t found any scans of the SA2 guidebook online. I’ve only found scans of the SA1 book. If anyone knows when I can find SA2 Guidebook scans in good enough quality (And by addition any scans of the JP SatSR instruction manual), I can translate the interesting bits. I’ve only ever seen part of the SatSR instruction manual when @dizzydennis took a photo of the prologue part (Interestingly, Shahra narrates it and even mentions Scheherazade, who likely inspired her name)

Anyway, as for Sonic’s profile in the SA1 guidebook;

“He loves to be free-spirited and despises any crookedness. He can be straightforward and short-tempered but is a kind person who can’t turn away from someone in trouble. In any case, he’s incapable of sitting still. Sounds very noisy.”

[eyorto]

Sonic a loud hippy confirmed

[greenyvertekins]

Same same anon on the Chaotix. Last last question. In that case, would "the earth's crust" be an inappropriate translation over something like "the tectonic movement" then?

One of the Kanji used in the term for crust movement is "地", which means "Earth" in the sense of the ground. If the term refered to the name of the planet specifically, Id've thought the term "地球" would be used.

[eyorto]

https://www.linguee.com/japanese-english/translation/%E5%9C%B0%E6%AE%BB%E5%A4%89%E5%8B%95.html

https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E5%9C%B0%E6%AE%BB%E5%A4%89%E5%8B%95

https://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=%e5%9c%b0%e6%ae%bb%e5%a4%89%e5%8b%95

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fkotobank.jp%2Fword%2F%25E5%259C%25B0%25E6%25AE%25BB%25E9%2581%258B%25E5%258B%2595-851226

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fja.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25E5%259C%25B0%25E6%25AE%25BB%25E5%25A4%2589%25E5%258B%2595

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jaea.go.jp%2F04%2Ftono%2Fkenkyusitu%2Fweb%2Fstrata%2Fs0205.html

Going from these online dictionaries, the term is in plenty cases both used in the meaning of  nameless plate tectonics and in the meaning of speaking about movement’s within Earth’s crust/ground/dirt. So hmmm. So far, I wouldn’t say “the earth’s crust” is a bad translation even if it is an ambiguous one.

We might need to see the full sentence/paragraph with the term in question. So I take the liberty of screenshotting it:

https://ibb.co/7V0DTs7

I’ll wait for your 2 cents.

[greenyvertekins]

Finally. Knuckles with his OVA hat... and it's NOT in a comic about pool parties and badly written Shadows of the future...

Isn’t it ironic how the OVA got a cool little reference even after 24 years yet Archie Sonic hasn’t had even the vaguest reference in a mainline Sonic title ever even though it was alive for 24 years? No, Mega Collection doesn’t count.

[eyorto]

They lose.