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[ruinedchildhood]

[lucy-shining-star]

Someone give me context. I need context.

[weasleyismyking540]

Right. I need to know why.

[thunder-the-ranger-wolf]

Old woman is an evil alien called a skrull who can shapeshift. Punching girl is Captain Marvel, who is tasked with taking the skrulls down.

[tommyboy2007-deactivated2020051]

Or she’s exhausted of baby boomers on every FB thread explaining why millennials are ruining the economy 🤷🏻‍♂️

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Except she's old enough to be a baby boomer.

[stufffromtheoutside-deactivated]

[millennial-review-deactivated20]

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Um, sure and dismantle life as the majority of the world knows.

[liberalsarecool]

Both parties are not the same. #BlueWave

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Unless they accuse a Democrat Representative of domestic abuse. Then they ignore her and threaten to shun her.

[sift]

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

I guarantee nothing horrible has ever happened here. Ever.

[mediamattersforamerica]

Conservatives say they don’t know why athletes are protesting. So here are over 40 athletes, coaches, sports commentators, and others explaining.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

The funny part is Kapernick slamming Clinton that interview. Okay. He's accurate.

[liberalsarecool]

The GOP is afraid of all FBI investigations because the truth indicts their criminal politicians and kills their phoney narratives.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Fbi only investigated him 6 times so far. And a rigged polygraph. Plus from a professor who knows how to beat them.

[mapsontheweb]

Where Millennials are buying the most & fewest homes.

[susiethemoderator]

Yeah, that’s because a basic single family home in the areas that are highlighted purple literally start at like 700k+ meanwhile houses in the dark red have literal mansion style homes starting at 150k (so just think about how much a basic single family home would cost).

It’s all due to housing and living costs. Also, the economy-blah blah blah yadda yadda

[protectblkwomen]

Durham like an Arm and leg for transportation

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So why live in an over populated coast? That's your fault not anyone else's.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

“You're foundation is based on selfishness, lack of responsibility, devaluing human life” nah thats you. Sorry bitch, cant tell me what I can and cant do with my body when IF I got pregnant it would fucking KILL ME

You're an anon. You don't have a body or a say. Duh.

[stfuprolifers]

Iowa governor signs restrictive abortion ban known as 'heartbeat bill'

Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds signed legislation on Friday that prohibits doctors from performing an abortion if a fetal heartbeat is detected.

This is tragic news. Anti-choicers are so fucking ignorant and cruel with their insidious TRAP laws. Most people don’t even realize they’re pregnant until AFTER six weeks. 

‘…doctors are not allowed to perform an abortion before testing for a fetal heartbeat. It requires a physician to notify the woman seeking an abortion in writing whether a heartbeat is detected and that abortion is barred in the event that it is detected. Fetal heartbeats can be detected as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. Critics have pointed out that the legislation would effectively ban abortion at six weeks and before a woman is aware that she is pregnant. Fred Hubbell, a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the upcoming governor’s race, said in a statement that Reynolds “has once again proven that she is willing to put political extremism over the health, well-being and rights of Iowa women.“ 

“This bill will be the vehicle that will ultimately provide change and provide the opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade,” Iowa Republican state senator Rick Bertrand said of the legislation during floor debate. “There’s nothing hidden here about the agenda. You know, today the pro-life movement won a battle, but the war rages on.“’

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im so fucking angry. This is evil.

[shamethepainaway]

Good maybe you’ll realize you’re killing a fucking baby

[fandomsandfeminism]

Terminating a pregnancy isnt killing a baby, ya lollipop. A fetus isnt a baby.

And, for the record, whether or not a fetus is  baby isnt really the point. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

denying that a fetus is not an autonomous human being is pretty fucking sick to be honest. 

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus ISNT autonomous.

Like, literally. It does not have autonomy. Its literally physically dependent on the physical body of the pregnant person to be alive.

And, again, whether or not a fetus is autonomous isnt the point. Fully grown conscious AUTONOMOUS people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

Lol k

[fandomsandfeminism]

Is this your best attempt at “crushing the Libs”? Because consider me uncrushed and unimpressed. 

[shamethepainaway]

Well I realized I wasn’t really in the mood tbh I have better stuff to do

[fandomsandfeminism]

Hmmmm yet you replied to this and have continued to respond to other people on this same post.

“Better things to do? indeed.

Lol. k 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So if you’re asleep, I can kill you? Your not conscious. Such an invalid argument.

Human life cycle begins at conception. Check any science book.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I never said anything about consciousness or the beginning of life being key to the argument.

Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s a weak argument.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Sorry, thats a weak rebuttal.

I dont particularly care how pro lifers view the issue- I care about the consequences of their legislation, which erodes bodily autonomy and reproductive control.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to correct your argument about the car wreck. You’re correct they can’t be forced to donate blood, but in turn they can’t kill you either. Women have to do a forcible act to kill the unborn human.

There is a difference between “pulling the plug” and forcible killing. You have no duty to give someone your blood to keep them alive, but you also have no justification for stabbing that person in the head and sucking their brains into a sink. Abortion is an active intervention into a natural system.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Did you know that am estimated 20% of pregnancies end in a miscarriage? Like, the idea that a pregnancy ending before term is against “a natural system” is silly.

And youre missing the fact that a fetus is already actively violating the bodily autonomy of the pregnant person.

Its be like if after that car crash, I was hooked up to my neighbor for life support and if they unplugged themself, I would die. And having me hooked up to them was physically strenuous for them, gave them diabetes, fucked with their hormones, and was potentially life threatening AND they had to pay for all of it.

Now, we dont do this to people, especially not against their will, because its fucking EVIL.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Did your neighbor willingly go into an act that caused them to be hooked up to you? Because 99% of abortions are resulted from consensual acts.

Your point on miscarriages? Trying to change the argument shows you’re losing.

The baby is not part of your body. The baby’s a baby.

It’s simple. Either you think it’s a human or not. If it’s human, you don’t kill it. If you don’t, well you’re stupid and tell me what species it is? Even in it’s earliest cellular form, if it isn’t human, with building blocks growing, what species off building blocks is it?

[fandomsandfeminism]

In this scenario, the neighbor caused me to be injured by hitting me with a car. I said that.

And just because you dont understand why I brought up miscarriages (to show that pregnancies terminating early is a natural process too), doesnt mean Im changing the topic.

Again, whether or not a fetus is “human” isn’t being debated. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save a life.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

It’s the only debate. If it’s human you don’t kill it. That’s called murder.

Miscarriages happen, correct. A natural process without an external force killing the unborn human. Notice the external force part.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im telling you its not the only debate. Bodily autonomy and access to reproductive control is a big part of this for us.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to achieve what you want, you need to dictate that it isn’t a human. Because if it is declared a human, that opens a Pandora’s box no one should ever want to open.

Pro-abortionists, like yourself, only care about the right to abort. You have no claim to care about human decency after the fact you with to kill an unborn human.

Your fight about spanking, income inequality, and etc makes you a hypocrite of the highest level.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow, you fundamentally dont understand concepts like consent and bodily autonomy and how they are relevant to this debate, huh?

I dont WANT people to get abortions. I want people to be able to have abortions if they choose to, because access to medical care, family planning, and bodily autonomy are key to a high quality of life in a society and key to the personal liberties of those within it.

Thanks

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

I do fundamentally understand. My understanding differs from your illogical understanding.

You value things and high quality of life that is built upon the concept that human life isn’t valuable. It is a commodity that can be discarded when it isn’t convenient.

Your values are based upon death, and killing of innocent humans, so what, we can have a nice car or tv?

You’re defending killing of innocent life.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Its become clear that you arent interested in actually discussing what Im saying. Youre interested in projecting what you want me to say so you can throw around ad hominems and emotional outbursts instead of engaging with the real topic at hand.

Like, youve equated “quality of life ” to “a nice car” and “reproductive control and bodily autonomy ” to “you value death”

Youve completely ignored the analogy we built to demonstrate the value of bodily autonomy and you have refused to address that fundamental issue of bodily autonomy in a meaningful way.

If you are just going to keep shouting the same fallacies and dodging the point, feel free to not reblog and find something better to do.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

No your issue is I won’t play on your field and by the rules you have set forth. Body autonomy is a double edged sword. What about the unborn child’s body? Even in it’s earliest form, it’s DNA is building it’s body. Did the child ask the mother to have sex? Did the child consent to being conceived?

You are placing value of the mother above the unborn human, when the mother was the one that initiated that acts that caused said pregnancy. Value is equal because human life value is equal across the board.

I haven’t ignored what you’ve done. I’ve argued against it because it’s illogical and evil.

You are defending death of innocent humans for the purpose of “quality of life”, you have yet to define.

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus doesnt have bodily autonomy because a fetus isnt autonomous. This is very simple.

I didnt realize you didnt know what quality of life meant, bro. But ok. Quality of life is a broad measure that looks at the over all, well, quality of how people live, including health, working conditions, education, life expectancy, and even things like voting rights and income. The Human Development Index is one of the most well known measurements of this.

Access to family planning and reproductive control strongly correlates to increased quality of life in a society.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So, are you insisting there was nothing but low quality of life before abortion?

If the fetus is deemed a human it has is own body inside that of its mother. Being dependant on the mother doesn’t take away it’s rights to it’s own body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. I’m saying that women being able to control the quantity and timing of their pregnancies is linked with increased quality of life.  We know that reproductive control lowers overall birth rates AND we know that lower birth rates boost economies and standards of living.  Reproductive control is linked with women having better education, entering the workforce in higher numbers, and improved literacy. Women being able to control their pregnancies is GOOD for society as a whole. Stripping women of their bodily autonomy is not. 

2. Yes, it does. A fetus isn’t autonomous, so it doesn’t have bodily autonomy.  That’s…that’s how definitions work. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So your dodging the question. Fair enough.

So if women get full control over pregnancies, men should in no way be financially obligated to child raising? ( and no this isn’t negating the point that killing an innocent human is okay. Women are not God and do not get the right to determine life and death at their whim)

They do have body autonomy. It’s a separate life. Indeed it’s inside a female but it’s still a separate body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Providing evidence isn’t dodging. 

2. Bodily autonomy isn’t the same thing as financial responsibility, and it’s insulting to suggest that a woman’s body is equivalent to a man’s checkbook. 

3. You can’t have bodily autonomy if you aren’t autonomous. Do you know what autonomy means? I don’t think you know what  autonomy means. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

1. Was there only low quality of life before abortion? Simple question.

2. There are tons of laws that restrict body autonomy. Everyone’s body is restricted.

3.There is no set definition when body autonomy begins. Because it’s just a theory, a concept, someone’s thought. Nice try.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Quality of life has been steadily improving over time in socieities with increased reproductive control for a very long time.  I provided direct evidence of this.  And, for the record, reproductive control methods have existed and improved over time for thousands of years as well. 

2. This isn’t even the point you were trying to make. Now who’s dodging? 

3. Again, do you know what autonomous means? Do you know what autonomy means?  I don’t think you do.  I provided evidence that the two are linked.  Youre 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Some would argue over the last 20 years quality of life, minus medical advancements, has decreased in quality. Due to various reasons.

You dodged the point, comparing a body to a checkbook. I do realize your mind see humans assests and not living things with distinct personalities.

I do know Wednesday autonomy means. I also know body autonomy is a theory, an idea. One you try to use to solidify your point of view. You’re using theory, not fact.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Some would need to provide evidence for that.

2. No, I said that YOU comparing a woman’s bodily autonomy to a man’s financial responsibility was a bad comparison. 

3. Define autonomy for me, please. And explain how a fetus has autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

3. “There is a concept called body autonomy. It’s generally considered a human right. Bodily autonomy means a person has control over whom or what uses their body, for what, and for how long. It’s why you can’t be forced to donate blood, tissue, or organs. Even if you are dead.“

There is no definition when autonomy begins. The left’s way to replace the word life. It use to be when don’t know when life begins, and that was debunked, so the left switched to autonomy, which then can’t even be determined.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I didn’t ask you to define bodily autonomy. I asked you to define autonomy and explain how a fetus has it. The concepts are related, but not identical. One must first have autonomy to have bodily autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

How doesn’t a fetus have autonomy? If left to it’s own freedom it will grow to be a child. I mean if you dive into the moral independence aspect and not give it broadly, if you tighten the area of autonomy, then you could say children don’t have autonomy until a certain age. You could say patients in coma don’t have autonomy.

A fetus in an aspect is self governing. It is growing to achieve its goal if left uninhibited. A mother doesn’t even need to take particularly for care of herself and the unborn human will grow into a born human. Not one that can survive on it’s own, which is why viability argument, for pro-abortionists like yourself, is pointless and illogical. A baby isn’t viable. It needs care. You could infer more care and more demanding of time than when in the womb.

A fetus (as you try to desensitize people to it actually being an unborn child), is self governing. The DNA is instructing it to grow into a specific child.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You still didn’t answer the question. Having autonomy in the future is not the same as having autonomy now.

Please define autonomy and explain how it applies to a fetus. 

The fact that you think children don’t have biological autonomy tells me that you don’t know what autonomy is.  Or viability, given how you said a living infant isn’t viable. Which, yeah it is. You just don’t understand those concepts. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Autonomy: 1: the quality or state of being self-governing; especially : the right of self-government The territory was granted autonomy. 2: self-directing freedom and especially moral independence personal autonomy 3: a self-governing state

Gave you all three definitions. Sorry if that’s to much for you. My response was valid.

I’m not saying children don’t autonomy, I’m saying by liberal logic they might not.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You gave definitions of autonomy that have the word autonomy in them. And they’re about countries.  That’s so cute. Here, I’ll help. 

Autonomy(referring to living things and not, like countries)  is the state of existing and functioning as an independent organism. A child is autonomous, a fetus is not. So a fetus doesn’t not have bodily autonomy.  Thanks for your time. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s not an official definition. Your opinionated definition is much appreciated but highly invalid.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Because every reputable dictionary, Oxford, Cambridge, Merriam, you know, the not .coms, have only 3 definitions.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Oxford: A fetus can not act independently. It’s literally dependant on the pregnant person. 

Cambridge: A fetus is not independent and can not make its own choices. 

Webster: A fetus CAN NOT exist independently and does not exist independently. 

But please, using YOUR definitions, explain how a fetus is a self-governing country. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

It does act independently. It builds itself, constructs itself, and matures by itself. It’s no less dependant than an infant.

[fandomsandfeminism]

It doesnt breathe on its own. Its doesnt pump blood on its own. It doesnt even take in nutrients on its own. Its literally attached to the body of the pregnant person. Remove that connection, and it dies. An infant is not physically attached to the body of their parent. Im sorry this is so confusing for you

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

You have such a limited and simplistic view of viable. Of course you do so you support your case. Can an infant get it’s own food? Can an infant clothe itself? Can an infant in anyway care for itself? Being attached is highly irrelevant.

It’s only relevant to liberal pro-abortionists like yourself.

[fandomsandfeminism]

It’s relevant because that’s WHAT AUTONOMOUS MEANS.  Especially when we are talking about bodily autonomy.  When like, a BODY being AUTONOMOUS is kind of the key. 

Boy, you really just do not understand. Maybe because understanding would weaken your position. But ignorance is a poor foundation to stand on, friend. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Your defense is a concept. Not fact. And a very limited pointless concept. I'm not ignorant. You are my friend. You're foundation is based on selfishness, lack of responsibility, devaluing human life, and a poor concept only thought up after every other concept thought up by pro-abortionists had failed.

Fact is this law will make it to the supreme court. And if Kennedy retires like rumors have it, then roe will be overturned.

[stfuprolifers]

Iowa governor signs restrictive abortion ban known as 'heartbeat bill'

Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds signed legislation on Friday that prohibits doctors from performing an abortion if a fetal heartbeat is detected.

This is tragic news. Anti-choicers are so fucking ignorant and cruel with their insidious TRAP laws. Most people don’t even realize they’re pregnant until AFTER six weeks. 

‘…doctors are not allowed to perform an abortion before testing for a fetal heartbeat. It requires a physician to notify the woman seeking an abortion in writing whether a heartbeat is detected and that abortion is barred in the event that it is detected. Fetal heartbeats can be detected as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. Critics have pointed out that the legislation would effectively ban abortion at six weeks and before a woman is aware that she is pregnant. Fred Hubbell, a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the upcoming governor’s race, said in a statement that Reynolds “has once again proven that she is willing to put political extremism over the health, well-being and rights of Iowa women.“ 

“This bill will be the vehicle that will ultimately provide change and provide the opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade,” Iowa Republican state senator Rick Bertrand said of the legislation during floor debate. “There’s nothing hidden here about the agenda. You know, today the pro-life movement won a battle, but the war rages on.“’

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im so fucking angry. This is evil.

[shamethepainaway]

Good maybe you’ll realize you’re killing a fucking baby

[fandomsandfeminism]

Terminating a pregnancy isnt killing a baby, ya lollipop. A fetus isnt a baby.

And, for the record, whether or not a fetus is  baby isnt really the point. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

denying that a fetus is not an autonomous human being is pretty fucking sick to be honest. 

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus ISNT autonomous.

Like, literally. It does not have autonomy. Its literally physically dependent on the physical body of the pregnant person to be alive.

And, again, whether or not a fetus is autonomous isnt the point. Fully grown conscious AUTONOMOUS people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

Lol k

[fandomsandfeminism]

Is this your best attempt at “crushing the Libs”? Because consider me uncrushed and unimpressed. 

[shamethepainaway]

Well I realized I wasn’t really in the mood tbh I have better stuff to do

[fandomsandfeminism]

Hmmmm yet you replied to this and have continued to respond to other people on this same post.

“Better things to do? indeed.

Lol. k 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So if you’re asleep, I can kill you? Your not conscious. Such an invalid argument.

Human life cycle begins at conception. Check any science book.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I never said anything about consciousness or the beginning of life being key to the argument.

Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s a weak argument.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Sorry, thats a weak rebuttal.

I dont particularly care how pro lifers view the issue- I care about the consequences of their legislation, which erodes bodily autonomy and reproductive control.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to correct your argument about the car wreck. You’re correct they can’t be forced to donate blood, but in turn they can’t kill you either. Women have to do a forcible act to kill the unborn human.

There is a difference between “pulling the plug” and forcible killing. You have no duty to give someone your blood to keep them alive, but you also have no justification for stabbing that person in the head and sucking their brains into a sink. Abortion is an active intervention into a natural system.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Did you know that am estimated 20% of pregnancies end in a miscarriage? Like, the idea that a pregnancy ending before term is against “a natural system” is silly.

And youre missing the fact that a fetus is already actively violating the bodily autonomy of the pregnant person.

Its be like if after that car crash, I was hooked up to my neighbor for life support and if they unplugged themself, I would die. And having me hooked up to them was physically strenuous for them, gave them diabetes, fucked with their hormones, and was potentially life threatening AND they had to pay for all of it.

Now, we dont do this to people, especially not against their will, because its fucking EVIL.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Did your neighbor willingly go into an act that caused them to be hooked up to you? Because 99% of abortions are resulted from consensual acts.

Your point on miscarriages? Trying to change the argument shows you’re losing.

The baby is not part of your body. The baby’s a baby.

It’s simple. Either you think it’s a human or not. If it’s human, you don’t kill it. If you don’t, well you’re stupid and tell me what species it is? Even in it’s earliest cellular form, if it isn’t human, with building blocks growing, what species off building blocks is it?

[fandomsandfeminism]

In this scenario, the neighbor caused me to be injured by hitting me with a car. I said that.

And just because you dont understand why I brought up miscarriages (to show that pregnancies terminating early is a natural process too), doesnt mean Im changing the topic.

Again, whether or not a fetus is “human” isn’t being debated. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save a life.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

It’s the only debate. If it’s human you don’t kill it. That’s called murder.

Miscarriages happen, correct. A natural process without an external force killing the unborn human. Notice the external force part.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im telling you its not the only debate. Bodily autonomy and access to reproductive control is a big part of this for us.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to achieve what you want, you need to dictate that it isn’t a human. Because if it is declared a human, that opens a Pandora’s box no one should ever want to open.

Pro-abortionists, like yourself, only care about the right to abort. You have no claim to care about human decency after the fact you with to kill an unborn human.

Your fight about spanking, income inequality, and etc makes you a hypocrite of the highest level.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow, you fundamentally dont understand concepts like consent and bodily autonomy and how they are relevant to this debate, huh?

I dont WANT people to get abortions. I want people to be able to have abortions if they choose to, because access to medical care, family planning, and bodily autonomy are key to a high quality of life in a society and key to the personal liberties of those within it.

Thanks

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

I do fundamentally understand. My understanding differs from your illogical understanding.

You value things and high quality of life that is built upon the concept that human life isn’t valuable. It is a commodity that can be discarded when it isn’t convenient.

Your values are based upon death, and killing of innocent humans, so what, we can have a nice car or tv?

You’re defending killing of innocent life.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Its become clear that you arent interested in actually discussing what Im saying. Youre interested in projecting what you want me to say so you can throw around ad hominems and emotional outbursts instead of engaging with the real topic at hand.

Like, youve equated “quality of life ” to “a nice car” and “reproductive control and bodily autonomy ” to “you value death”

Youve completely ignored the analogy we built to demonstrate the value of bodily autonomy and you have refused to address that fundamental issue of bodily autonomy in a meaningful way.

If you are just going to keep shouting the same fallacies and dodging the point, feel free to not reblog and find something better to do.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

No your issue is I won’t play on your field and by the rules you have set forth. Body autonomy is a double edged sword. What about the unborn child’s body? Even in it’s earliest form, it’s DNA is building it’s body. Did the child ask the mother to have sex? Did the child consent to being conceived?

You are placing value of the mother above the unborn human, when the mother was the one that initiated that acts that caused said pregnancy. Value is equal because human life value is equal across the board.

I haven’t ignored what you’ve done. I’ve argued against it because it’s illogical and evil.

You are defending death of innocent humans for the purpose of “quality of life”, you have yet to define.

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus doesnt have bodily autonomy because a fetus isnt autonomous. This is very simple.

I didnt realize you didnt know what quality of life meant, bro. But ok. Quality of life is a broad measure that looks at the over all, well, quality of how people live, including health, working conditions, education, life expectancy, and even things like voting rights and income. The Human Development Index is one of the most well known measurements of this.

Access to family planning and reproductive control strongly correlates to increased quality of life in a society.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So, are you insisting there was nothing but low quality of life before abortion?

If the fetus is deemed a human it has is own body inside that of its mother. Being dependant on the mother doesn’t take away it’s rights to it’s own body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. I’m saying that women being able to control the quantity and timing of their pregnancies is linked with increased quality of life.  We know that reproductive control lowers overall birth rates AND we know that lower birth rates boost economies and standards of living.  Reproductive control is linked with women having better education, entering the workforce in higher numbers, and improved literacy. Women being able to control their pregnancies is GOOD for society as a whole. Stripping women of their bodily autonomy is not. 

2. Yes, it does. A fetus isn’t autonomous, so it doesn’t have bodily autonomy.  That’s…that’s how definitions work. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So your dodging the question. Fair enough.

So if women get full control over pregnancies, men should in no way be financially obligated to child raising? ( and no this isn’t negating the point that killing an innocent human is okay. Women are not God and do not get the right to determine life and death at their whim)

They do have body autonomy. It’s a separate life. Indeed it’s inside a female but it’s still a separate body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Providing evidence isn’t dodging. 

2. Bodily autonomy isn’t the same thing as financial responsibility, and it’s insulting to suggest that a woman’s body is equivalent to a man’s checkbook. 

3. You can’t have bodily autonomy if you aren’t autonomous. Do you know what autonomy means? I don’t think you know what  autonomy means. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

1. Was there only low quality of life before abortion? Simple question.

2. There are tons of laws that restrict body autonomy. Everyone’s body is restricted.

3.There is no set definition when body autonomy begins. Because it’s just a theory, a concept, someone’s thought. Nice try.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Quality of life has been steadily improving over time in socieities with increased reproductive control for a very long time.  I provided direct evidence of this.  And, for the record, reproductive control methods have existed and improved over time for thousands of years as well. 

2. This isn’t even the point you were trying to make. Now who’s dodging? 

3. Again, do you know what autonomous means? Do you know what autonomy means?  I don’t think you do.  I provided evidence that the two are linked.  Youre 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Some would argue over the last 20 years quality of life, minus medical advancements, has decreased in quality. Due to various reasons.

You dodged the point, comparing a body to a checkbook. I do realize your mind see humans assests and not living things with distinct personalities.

I do know Wednesday autonomy means. I also know body autonomy is a theory, an idea. One you try to use to solidify your point of view. You’re using theory, not fact.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Some would need to provide evidence for that.

2. No, I said that YOU comparing a woman’s bodily autonomy to a man’s financial responsibility was a bad comparison. 

3. Define autonomy for me, please. And explain how a fetus has autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

3. “There is a concept called body autonomy. It’s generally considered a human right. Bodily autonomy means a person has control over whom or what uses their body, for what, and for how long. It’s why you can’t be forced to donate blood, tissue, or organs. Even if you are dead.“

There is no definition when autonomy begins. The left’s way to replace the word life. It use to be when don’t know when life begins, and that was debunked, so the left switched to autonomy, which then can’t even be determined.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I didn’t ask you to define bodily autonomy. I asked you to define autonomy and explain how a fetus has it. The concepts are related, but not identical. One must first have autonomy to have bodily autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

How doesn’t a fetus have autonomy? If left to it’s own freedom it will grow to be a child. I mean if you dive into the moral independence aspect and not give it broadly, if you tighten the area of autonomy, then you could say children don’t have autonomy until a certain age. You could say patients in coma don’t have autonomy.

A fetus in an aspect is self governing. It is growing to achieve its goal if left uninhibited. A mother doesn’t even need to take particularly for care of herself and the unborn human will grow into a born human. Not one that can survive on it’s own, which is why viability argument, for pro-abortionists like yourself, is pointless and illogical. A baby isn’t viable. It needs care. You could infer more care and more demanding of time than when in the womb.

A fetus (as you try to desensitize people to it actually being an unborn child), is self governing. The DNA is instructing it to grow into a specific child.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You still didn’t answer the question. Having autonomy in the future is not the same as having autonomy now.

Please define autonomy and explain how it applies to a fetus. 

The fact that you think children don’t have biological autonomy tells me that you don’t know what autonomy is.  Or viability, given how you said a living infant isn’t viable. Which, yeah it is. You just don’t understand those concepts. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Autonomy: 1: the quality or state of being self-governing; especially : the right of self-government The territory was granted autonomy. 2: self-directing freedom and especially moral independence personal autonomy 3: a self-governing state

Gave you all three definitions. Sorry if that’s to much for you. My response was valid.

I’m not saying children don’t autonomy, I’m saying by liberal logic they might not.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You gave definitions of autonomy that have the word autonomy in them. And they’re about countries.  That’s so cute. Here, I’ll help. 

Autonomy(referring to living things and not, like countries)  is the state of existing and functioning as an independent organism. A child is autonomous, a fetus is not. So a fetus doesn’t not have bodily autonomy.  Thanks for your time. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s not an official definition. Your opinionated definition is much appreciated but highly invalid.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Because every reputable dictionary, Oxford, Cambridge, Merriam, you know, the not .coms, have only 3 definitions.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Oxford: A fetus can not act independently. It’s literally dependant on the pregnant person. 

Cambridge: A fetus is not independent and can not make its own choices. 

Webster: A fetus CAN NOT exist independently and does not exist independently. 

But please, using YOUR definitions, explain how a fetus is a self-governing country. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

It does act independently. It builds itself, constructs itself, and matures by itself. It’s no less dependant than an infant.

[fandomsandfeminism]

It doesnt breathe on its own. Its doesnt pump blood on its own. It doesnt even take in nutrients on its own. Its literally attached to the body of the pregnant person. Remove that connection, and it dies. An infant is not physically attached to the body of their parent. Im sorry this is so confusing for you

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

You have such a limited and simplistic view of viable. Of course you do so you support your case. Can an infant get it's own food? Can an infant clothe itself? Can an infant in anyway care for itself? Being attached is highly irrelevant.

It's only relevant to liberal pro-abortionists like yourself.

[stfuprolifers]

Iowa governor signs restrictive abortion ban known as 'heartbeat bill'

Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds signed legislation on Friday that prohibits doctors from performing an abortion if a fetal heartbeat is detected.

This is tragic news. Anti-choicers are so fucking ignorant and cruel with their insidious TRAP laws. Most people don’t even realize they’re pregnant until AFTER six weeks. 

‘…doctors are not allowed to perform an abortion before testing for a fetal heartbeat. It requires a physician to notify the woman seeking an abortion in writing whether a heartbeat is detected and that abortion is barred in the event that it is detected. Fetal heartbeats can be detected as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. Critics have pointed out that the legislation would effectively ban abortion at six weeks and before a woman is aware that she is pregnant. Fred Hubbell, a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the upcoming governor’s race, said in a statement that Reynolds “has once again proven that she is willing to put political extremism over the health, well-being and rights of Iowa women.“ 

“This bill will be the vehicle that will ultimately provide change and provide the opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade,” Iowa Republican state senator Rick Bertrand said of the legislation during floor debate. “There’s nothing hidden here about the agenda. You know, today the pro-life movement won a battle, but the war rages on.“’

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im so fucking angry. This is evil.

[shamethepainaway]

Good maybe you’ll realize you’re killing a fucking baby

[fandomsandfeminism]

Terminating a pregnancy isnt killing a baby, ya lollipop. A fetus isnt a baby.

And, for the record, whether or not a fetus is  baby isnt really the point. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

denying that a fetus is not an autonomous human being is pretty fucking sick to be honest. 

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus ISNT autonomous.

Like, literally. It does not have autonomy. Its literally physically dependent on the physical body of the pregnant person to be alive.

And, again, whether or not a fetus is autonomous isnt the point. Fully grown conscious AUTONOMOUS people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

Lol k

[fandomsandfeminism]

Is this your best attempt at “crushing the Libs”? Because consider me uncrushed and unimpressed. 

[shamethepainaway]

Well I realized I wasn’t really in the mood tbh I have better stuff to do

[fandomsandfeminism]

Hmmmm yet you replied to this and have continued to respond to other people on this same post.

“Better things to do? indeed.

Lol. k 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So if you’re asleep, I can kill you? Your not conscious. Such an invalid argument.

Human life cycle begins at conception. Check any science book.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I never said anything about consciousness or the beginning of life being key to the argument.

Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s a weak argument.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Sorry, thats a weak rebuttal.

I dont particularly care how pro lifers view the issue- I care about the consequences of their legislation, which erodes bodily autonomy and reproductive control.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to correct your argument about the car wreck. You’re correct they can’t be forced to donate blood, but in turn they can’t kill you either. Women have to do a forcible act to kill the unborn human.

There is a difference between “pulling the plug” and forcible killing. You have no duty to give someone your blood to keep them alive, but you also have no justification for stabbing that person in the head and sucking their brains into a sink. Abortion is an active intervention into a natural system.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Did you know that am estimated 20% of pregnancies end in a miscarriage? Like, the idea that a pregnancy ending before term is against “a natural system” is silly.

And youre missing the fact that a fetus is already actively violating the bodily autonomy of the pregnant person.

Its be like if after that car crash, I was hooked up to my neighbor for life support and if they unplugged themself, I would die. And having me hooked up to them was physically strenuous for them, gave them diabetes, fucked with their hormones, and was potentially life threatening AND they had to pay for all of it.

Now, we dont do this to people, especially not against their will, because its fucking EVIL.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Did your neighbor willingly go into an act that caused them to be hooked up to you? Because 99% of abortions are resulted from consensual acts.

Your point on miscarriages? Trying to change the argument shows you’re losing.

The baby is not part of your body. The baby’s a baby.

It’s simple. Either you think it’s a human or not. If it’s human, you don’t kill it. If you don’t, well you’re stupid and tell me what species it is? Even in it’s earliest cellular form, if it isn’t human, with building blocks growing, what species off building blocks is it?

[fandomsandfeminism]

In this scenario, the neighbor caused me to be injured by hitting me with a car. I said that.

And just because you dont understand why I brought up miscarriages (to show that pregnancies terminating early is a natural process too), doesnt mean Im changing the topic.

Again, whether or not a fetus is “human” isn’t being debated. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save a life.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

It’s the only debate. If it’s human you don’t kill it. That’s called murder.

Miscarriages happen, correct. A natural process without an external force killing the unborn human. Notice the external force part.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im telling you its not the only debate. Bodily autonomy and access to reproductive control is a big part of this for us.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to achieve what you want, you need to dictate that it isn’t a human. Because if it is declared a human, that opens a Pandora’s box no one should ever want to open.

Pro-abortionists, like yourself, only care about the right to abort. You have no claim to care about human decency after the fact you with to kill an unborn human.

Your fight about spanking, income inequality, and etc makes you a hypocrite of the highest level.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow, you fundamentally dont understand concepts like consent and bodily autonomy and how they are relevant to this debate, huh?

I dont WANT people to get abortions. I want people to be able to have abortions if they choose to, because access to medical care, family planning, and bodily autonomy are key to a high quality of life in a society and key to the personal liberties of those within it.

Thanks

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

I do fundamentally understand. My understanding differs from your illogical understanding.

You value things and high quality of life that is built upon the concept that human life isn’t valuable. It is a commodity that can be discarded when it isn’t convenient.

Your values are based upon death, and killing of innocent humans, so what, we can have a nice car or tv?

You’re defending killing of innocent life.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Its become clear that you arent interested in actually discussing what Im saying. Youre interested in projecting what you want me to say so you can throw around ad hominems and emotional outbursts instead of engaging with the real topic at hand.

Like, youve equated “quality of life ” to “a nice car” and “reproductive control and bodily autonomy ” to “you value death”

Youve completely ignored the analogy we built to demonstrate the value of bodily autonomy and you have refused to address that fundamental issue of bodily autonomy in a meaningful way.

If you are just going to keep shouting the same fallacies and dodging the point, feel free to not reblog and find something better to do.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

No your issue is I won’t play on your field and by the rules you have set forth. Body autonomy is a double edged sword. What about the unborn child’s body? Even in it’s earliest form, it’s DNA is building it’s body. Did the child ask the mother to have sex? Did the child consent to being conceived?

You are placing value of the mother above the unborn human, when the mother was the one that initiated that acts that caused said pregnancy. Value is equal because human life value is equal across the board.

I haven’t ignored what you’ve done. I’ve argued against it because it’s illogical and evil.

You are defending death of innocent humans for the purpose of “quality of life”, you have yet to define.

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus doesnt have bodily autonomy because a fetus isnt autonomous. This is very simple.

I didnt realize you didnt know what quality of life meant, bro. But ok. Quality of life is a broad measure that looks at the over all, well, quality of how people live, including health, working conditions, education, life expectancy, and even things like voting rights and income. The Human Development Index is one of the most well known measurements of this.

Access to family planning and reproductive control strongly correlates to increased quality of life in a society.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So, are you insisting there was nothing but low quality of life before abortion?

If the fetus is deemed a human it has is own body inside that of its mother. Being dependant on the mother doesn’t take away it’s rights to it’s own body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. I’m saying that women being able to control the quantity and timing of their pregnancies is linked with increased quality of life.  We know that reproductive control lowers overall birth rates AND we know that lower birth rates boost economies and standards of living.  Reproductive control is linked with women having better education, entering the workforce in higher numbers, and improved literacy. Women being able to control their pregnancies is GOOD for society as a whole. Stripping women of their bodily autonomy is not. 

2. Yes, it does. A fetus isn’t autonomous, so it doesn’t have bodily autonomy.  That’s…that’s how definitions work. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So your dodging the question. Fair enough.

So if women get full control over pregnancies, men should in no way be financially obligated to child raising? ( and no this isn’t negating the point that killing an innocent human is okay. Women are not God and do not get the right to determine life and death at their whim)

They do have body autonomy. It’s a separate life. Indeed it’s inside a female but it’s still a separate body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Providing evidence isn’t dodging. 

2. Bodily autonomy isn’t the same thing as financial responsibility, and it’s insulting to suggest that a woman’s body is equivalent to a man’s checkbook. 

3. You can’t have bodily autonomy if you aren’t autonomous. Do you know what autonomy means? I don’t think you know what  autonomy means. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

1. Was there only low quality of life before abortion? Simple question.

2. There are tons of laws that restrict body autonomy. Everyone’s body is restricted.

3.There is no set definition when body autonomy begins. Because it’s just a theory, a concept, someone’s thought. Nice try.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Quality of life has been steadily improving over time in socieities with increased reproductive control for a very long time.  I provided direct evidence of this.  And, for the record, reproductive control methods have existed and improved over time for thousands of years as well. 

2. This isn’t even the point you were trying to make. Now who’s dodging? 

3. Again, do you know what autonomous means? Do you know what autonomy means?  I don’t think you do.  I provided evidence that the two are linked.  Youre 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Some would argue over the last 20 years quality of life, minus medical advancements, has decreased in quality. Due to various reasons.

You dodged the point, comparing a body to a checkbook. I do realize your mind see humans assests and not living things with distinct personalities.

I do know Wednesday autonomy means. I also know body autonomy is a theory, an idea. One you try to use to solidify your point of view. You’re using theory, not fact.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Some would need to provide evidence for that.

2. No, I said that YOU comparing a woman’s bodily autonomy to a man’s financial responsibility was a bad comparison. 

3. Define autonomy for me, please. And explain how a fetus has autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

3. “There is a concept called body autonomy. It’s generally considered a human right. Bodily autonomy means a person has control over whom or what uses their body, for what, and for how long. It’s why you can’t be forced to donate blood, tissue, or organs. Even if you are dead.“

There is no definition when autonomy begins. The left’s way to replace the word life. It use to be when don’t know when life begins, and that was debunked, so the left switched to autonomy, which then can’t even be determined.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I didn’t ask you to define bodily autonomy. I asked you to define autonomy and explain how a fetus has it. The concepts are related, but not identical. One must first have autonomy to have bodily autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

How doesn’t a fetus have autonomy? If left to it’s own freedom it will grow to be a child. I mean if you dive into the moral independence aspect and not give it broadly, if you tighten the area of autonomy, then you could say children don’t have autonomy until a certain age. You could say patients in coma don’t have autonomy.

A fetus in an aspect is self governing. It is growing to achieve its goal if left uninhibited. A mother doesn’t even need to take particularly for care of herself and the unborn human will grow into a born human. Not one that can survive on it’s own, which is why viability argument, for pro-abortionists like yourself, is pointless and illogical. A baby isn’t viable. It needs care. You could infer more care and more demanding of time than when in the womb.

A fetus (as you try to desensitize people to it actually being an unborn child), is self governing. The DNA is instructing it to grow into a specific child.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You still didn’t answer the question. Having autonomy in the future is not the same as having autonomy now.

Please define autonomy and explain how it applies to a fetus. 

The fact that you think children don’t have biological autonomy tells me that you don’t know what autonomy is.  Or viability, given how you said a living infant isn’t viable. Which, yeah it is. You just don’t understand those concepts. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Autonomy: 1: the quality or state of being self-governing; especially : the right of self-government The territory was granted autonomy. 2: self-directing freedom and especially moral independence personal autonomy 3: a self-governing state

Gave you all three definitions. Sorry if that’s to much for you. My response was valid.

I’m not saying children don’t autonomy, I’m saying by liberal logic they might not.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You gave definitions of autonomy that have the word autonomy in them. And they’re about countries.  That’s so cute. Here, I’ll help. 

Autonomy(referring to living things and not, like countries)  is the state of existing and functioning as an independent organism. A child is autonomous, a fetus is not. So a fetus doesn’t not have bodily autonomy.  Thanks for your time. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s not an official definition. Your opinionated definition is much appreciated but highly invalid.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Because every reputable dictionary, Oxford, Cambridge, Merriam, you know, the not .coms, have only 3 definitions.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Oxford: A fetus can not act independently. It’s literally dependant on the pregnant person. 

Cambridge: A fetus is not independent and can not make its own choices. 

Webster: A fetus CAN NOT exist independently and does not exist independently. 

But please, using YOUR definitions, explain how a fetus is a self-governing country. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

It does act independently. It builds itself, constructs itself, and matures by itself. It's no less dependant than an infant.

[stfuprolifers]

Iowa governor signs restrictive abortion ban known as 'heartbeat bill'

Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds signed legislation on Friday that prohibits doctors from performing an abortion if a fetal heartbeat is detected.

This is tragic news. Anti-choicers are so fucking ignorant and cruel with their insidious TRAP laws. Most people don’t even realize they’re pregnant until AFTER six weeks. 

‘…doctors are not allowed to perform an abortion before testing for a fetal heartbeat. It requires a physician to notify the woman seeking an abortion in writing whether a heartbeat is detected and that abortion is barred in the event that it is detected. Fetal heartbeats can be detected as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. Critics have pointed out that the legislation would effectively ban abortion at six weeks and before a woman is aware that she is pregnant. Fred Hubbell, a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the upcoming governor’s race, said in a statement that Reynolds “has once again proven that she is willing to put political extremism over the health, well-being and rights of Iowa women.“ 

“This bill will be the vehicle that will ultimately provide change and provide the opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade,” Iowa Republican state senator Rick Bertrand said of the legislation during floor debate. “There’s nothing hidden here about the agenda. You know, today the pro-life movement won a battle, but the war rages on.“’

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im so fucking angry. This is evil.

[shamethepainaway]

Good maybe you’ll realize you’re killing a fucking baby

[fandomsandfeminism]

Terminating a pregnancy isnt killing a baby, ya lollipop. A fetus isnt a baby.

And, for the record, whether or not a fetus is  baby isnt really the point. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

denying that a fetus is not an autonomous human being is pretty fucking sick to be honest. 

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus ISNT autonomous.

Like, literally. It does not have autonomy. Its literally physically dependent on the physical body of the pregnant person to be alive.

And, again, whether or not a fetus is autonomous isnt the point. Fully grown conscious AUTONOMOUS people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

Lol k

[fandomsandfeminism]

Is this your best attempt at “crushing the Libs”? Because consider me uncrushed and unimpressed. 

[shamethepainaway]

Well I realized I wasn’t really in the mood tbh I have better stuff to do

[fandomsandfeminism]

Hmmmm yet you replied to this and have continued to respond to other people on this same post.

“Better things to do? indeed.

Lol. k 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So if you’re asleep, I can kill you? Your not conscious. Such an invalid argument.

Human life cycle begins at conception. Check any science book.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I never said anything about consciousness or the beginning of life being key to the argument.

Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s a weak argument.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Sorry, thats a weak rebuttal.

I dont particularly care how pro lifers view the issue- I care about the consequences of their legislation, which erodes bodily autonomy and reproductive control.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to correct your argument about the car wreck. You’re correct they can’t be forced to donate blood, but in turn they can’t kill you either. Women have to do a forcible act to kill the unborn human.

There is a difference between “pulling the plug” and forcible killing. You have no duty to give someone your blood to keep them alive, but you also have no justification for stabbing that person in the head and sucking their brains into a sink. Abortion is an active intervention into a natural system.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Did you know that am estimated 20% of pregnancies end in a miscarriage? Like, the idea that a pregnancy ending before term is against “a natural system” is silly.

And youre missing the fact that a fetus is already actively violating the bodily autonomy of the pregnant person.

Its be like if after that car crash, I was hooked up to my neighbor for life support and if they unplugged themself, I would die. And having me hooked up to them was physically strenuous for them, gave them diabetes, fucked with their hormones, and was potentially life threatening AND they had to pay for all of it.

Now, we dont do this to people, especially not against their will, because its fucking EVIL.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Did your neighbor willingly go into an act that caused them to be hooked up to you? Because 99% of abortions are resulted from consensual acts.

Your point on miscarriages? Trying to change the argument shows you’re losing.

The baby is not part of your body. The baby’s a baby.

It’s simple. Either you think it’s a human or not. If it’s human, you don’t kill it. If you don’t, well you’re stupid and tell me what species it is? Even in it’s earliest cellular form, if it isn’t human, with building blocks growing, what species off building blocks is it?

[fandomsandfeminism]

In this scenario, the neighbor caused me to be injured by hitting me with a car. I said that.

And just because you dont understand why I brought up miscarriages (to show that pregnancies terminating early is a natural process too), doesnt mean Im changing the topic.

Again, whether or not a fetus is “human” isn’t being debated. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save a life.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

It’s the only debate. If it’s human you don’t kill it. That’s called murder.

Miscarriages happen, correct. A natural process without an external force killing the unborn human. Notice the external force part.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im telling you its not the only debate. Bodily autonomy and access to reproductive control is a big part of this for us.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to achieve what you want, you need to dictate that it isn’t a human. Because if it is declared a human, that opens a Pandora’s box no one should ever want to open.

Pro-abortionists, like yourself, only care about the right to abort. You have no claim to care about human decency after the fact you with to kill an unborn human.

Your fight about spanking, income inequality, and etc makes you a hypocrite of the highest level.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow, you fundamentally dont understand concepts like consent and bodily autonomy and how they are relevant to this debate, huh?

I dont WANT people to get abortions. I want people to be able to have abortions if they choose to, because access to medical care, family planning, and bodily autonomy are key to a high quality of life in a society and key to the personal liberties of those within it.

Thanks

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

I do fundamentally understand. My understanding differs from your illogical understanding.

You value things and high quality of life that is built upon the concept that human life isn’t valuable. It is a commodity that can be discarded when it isn’t convenient.

Your values are based upon death, and killing of innocent humans, so what, we can have a nice car or tv?

You’re defending killing of innocent life.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Its become clear that you arent interested in actually discussing what Im saying. Youre interested in projecting what you want me to say so you can throw around ad hominems and emotional outbursts instead of engaging with the real topic at hand.

Like, youve equated “quality of life ” to “a nice car” and “reproductive control and bodily autonomy ” to “you value death”

Youve completely ignored the analogy we built to demonstrate the value of bodily autonomy and you have refused to address that fundamental issue of bodily autonomy in a meaningful way.

If you are just going to keep shouting the same fallacies and dodging the point, feel free to not reblog and find something better to do.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

No your issue is I won’t play on your field and by the rules you have set forth. Body autonomy is a double edged sword. What about the unborn child’s body? Even in it’s earliest form, it’s DNA is building it’s body. Did the child ask the mother to have sex? Did the child consent to being conceived?

You are placing value of the mother above the unborn human, when the mother was the one that initiated that acts that caused said pregnancy. Value is equal because human life value is equal across the board.

I haven’t ignored what you’ve done. I’ve argued against it because it’s illogical and evil.

You are defending death of innocent humans for the purpose of “quality of life”, you have yet to define.

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus doesnt have bodily autonomy because a fetus isnt autonomous. This is very simple.

I didnt realize you didnt know what quality of life meant, bro. But ok. Quality of life is a broad measure that looks at the over all, well, quality of how people live, including health, working conditions, education, life expectancy, and even things like voting rights and income. The Human Development Index is one of the most well known measurements of this.

Access to family planning and reproductive control strongly correlates to increased quality of life in a society.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So, are you insisting there was nothing but low quality of life before abortion?

If the fetus is deemed a human it has is own body inside that of its mother. Being dependant on the mother doesn’t take away it’s rights to it’s own body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. I’m saying that women being able to control the quantity and timing of their pregnancies is linked with increased quality of life.  We know that reproductive control lowers overall birth rates AND we know that lower birth rates boost economies and standards of living.  Reproductive control is linked with women having better education, entering the workforce in higher numbers, and improved literacy. Women being able to control their pregnancies is GOOD for society as a whole. Stripping women of their bodily autonomy is not. 

2. Yes, it does. A fetus isn’t autonomous, so it doesn’t have bodily autonomy.  That’s…that’s how definitions work. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So your dodging the question. Fair enough.

So if women get full control over pregnancies, men should in no way be financially obligated to child raising? ( and no this isn’t negating the point that killing an innocent human is okay. Women are not God and do not get the right to determine life and death at their whim)

They do have body autonomy. It’s a separate life. Indeed it’s inside a female but it’s still a separate body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Providing evidence isn’t dodging. 

2. Bodily autonomy isn’t the same thing as financial responsibility, and it’s insulting to suggest that a woman’s body is equivalent to a man’s checkbook. 

3. You can’t have bodily autonomy if you aren’t autonomous. Do you know what autonomy means? I don’t think you know what  autonomy means. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

1. Was there only low quality of life before abortion? Simple question.

2. There are tons of laws that restrict body autonomy. Everyone’s body is restricted.

3.There is no set definition when body autonomy begins. Because it’s just a theory, a concept, someone’s thought. Nice try.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Quality of life has been steadily improving over time in socieities with increased reproductive control for a very long time.  I provided direct evidence of this.  And, for the record, reproductive control methods have existed and improved over time for thousands of years as well. 

2. This isn’t even the point you were trying to make. Now who’s dodging? 

3. Again, do you know what autonomous means? Do you know what autonomy means?  I don’t think you do.  I provided evidence that the two are linked.  Youre 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Some would argue over the last 20 years quality of life, minus medical advancements, has decreased in quality. Due to various reasons.

You dodged the point, comparing a body to a checkbook. I do realize your mind see humans assests and not living things with distinct personalities.

I do know Wednesday autonomy means. I also know body autonomy is a theory, an idea. One you try to use to solidify your point of view. You’re using theory, not fact.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Some would need to provide evidence for that.

2. No, I said that YOU comparing a woman’s bodily autonomy to a man’s financial responsibility was a bad comparison. 

3. Define autonomy for me, please. And explain how a fetus has autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

3. “There is a concept called body autonomy. It’s generally considered a human right. Bodily autonomy means a person has control over whom or what uses their body, for what, and for how long. It’s why you can’t be forced to donate blood, tissue, or organs. Even if you are dead.“

There is no definition when autonomy begins. The left’s way to replace the word life. It use to be when don’t know when life begins, and that was debunked, so the left switched to autonomy, which then can’t even be determined.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I didn’t ask you to define bodily autonomy. I asked you to define autonomy and explain how a fetus has it. The concepts are related, but not identical. One must first have autonomy to have bodily autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

How doesn’t a fetus have autonomy? If left to it’s own freedom it will grow to be a child. I mean if you dive into the moral independence aspect and not give it broadly, if you tighten the area of autonomy, then you could say children don’t have autonomy until a certain age. You could say patients in coma don’t have autonomy.

A fetus in an aspect is self governing. It is growing to achieve its goal if left uninhibited. A mother doesn’t even need to take particularly for care of herself and the unborn human will grow into a born human. Not one that can survive on it’s own, which is why viability argument, for pro-abortionists like yourself, is pointless and illogical. A baby isn’t viable. It needs care. You could infer more care and more demanding of time than when in the womb.

A fetus (as you try to desensitize people to it actually being an unborn child), is self governing. The DNA is instructing it to grow into a specific child.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You still didn’t answer the question. Having autonomy in the future is not the same as having autonomy now.

Please define autonomy and explain how it applies to a fetus. 

The fact that you think children don’t have biological autonomy tells me that you don’t know what autonomy is.  Or viability, given how you said a living infant isn’t viable. Which, yeah it is. You just don’t understand those concepts. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Autonomy: 1: the quality or state of being self-governing; especially : the right of self-government The territory was granted autonomy. 2: self-directing freedom and especially moral independence personal autonomy 3: a self-governing state

Gave you all three definitions. Sorry if that’s to much for you. My response was valid.

I’m not saying children don’t autonomy, I’m saying by liberal logic they might not.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You gave definitions of autonomy that have the word autonomy in them. And they’re about countries.  That’s so cute. Here, I’ll help. 

Autonomy(referring to living things and not, like countries)  is the state of existing and functioning as an independent organism. A child is autonomous, a fetus is not. So a fetus doesn’t not have bodily autonomy.  Thanks for your time. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s not an official definition. Your opinionated definition is much appreciated but highly invalid.

[mixbagofholding]

hi, just out of morbid curiosity how does your particular breed of anti-choice anti-woman demon respond to the following:

# of avoidable deaths of mothers and infants in a world without abortions > # of avoidable deaths of mothers and infants in the same world with abortions

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

To hashtag quotes? With bewilderment.

[stfuprolifers]

Iowa governor signs restrictive abortion ban known as 'heartbeat bill'

Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds signed legislation on Friday that prohibits doctors from performing an abortion if a fetal heartbeat is detected.

This is tragic news. Anti-choicers are so fucking ignorant and cruel with their insidious TRAP laws. Most people don’t even realize they’re pregnant until AFTER six weeks. 

‘…doctors are not allowed to perform an abortion before testing for a fetal heartbeat. It requires a physician to notify the woman seeking an abortion in writing whether a heartbeat is detected and that abortion is barred in the event that it is detected. Fetal heartbeats can be detected as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. Critics have pointed out that the legislation would effectively ban abortion at six weeks and before a woman is aware that she is pregnant. Fred Hubbell, a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the upcoming governor’s race, said in a statement that Reynolds “has once again proven that she is willing to put political extremism over the health, well-being and rights of Iowa women.“ 

“This bill will be the vehicle that will ultimately provide change and provide the opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade,” Iowa Republican state senator Rick Bertrand said of the legislation during floor debate. “There’s nothing hidden here about the agenda. You know, today the pro-life movement won a battle, but the war rages on.“’

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im so fucking angry. This is evil.

[shamethepainaway]

Good maybe you’ll realize you’re killing a fucking baby

[fandomsandfeminism]

Terminating a pregnancy isnt killing a baby, ya lollipop. A fetus isnt a baby.

And, for the record, whether or not a fetus is  baby isnt really the point. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

denying that a fetus is not an autonomous human being is pretty fucking sick to be honest. 

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus ISNT autonomous.

Like, literally. It does not have autonomy. Its literally physically dependent on the physical body of the pregnant person to be alive.

And, again, whether or not a fetus is autonomous isnt the point. Fully grown conscious AUTONOMOUS people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

Lol k

[fandomsandfeminism]

Is this your best attempt at “crushing the Libs”? Because consider me uncrushed and unimpressed. 

[shamethepainaway]

Well I realized I wasn’t really in the mood tbh I have better stuff to do

[fandomsandfeminism]

Hmmmm yet you replied to this and have continued to respond to other people on this same post.

“Better things to do? indeed.

Lol. k 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So if you’re asleep, I can kill you? Your not conscious. Such an invalid argument.

Human life cycle begins at conception. Check any science book.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I never said anything about consciousness or the beginning of life being key to the argument.

Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s a weak argument.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Sorry, thats a weak rebuttal.

I dont particularly care how pro lifers view the issue- I care about the consequences of their legislation, which erodes bodily autonomy and reproductive control.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to correct your argument about the car wreck. You’re correct they can’t be forced to donate blood, but in turn they can’t kill you either. Women have to do a forcible act to kill the unborn human.

There is a difference between “pulling the plug” and forcible killing. You have no duty to give someone your blood to keep them alive, but you also have no justification for stabbing that person in the head and sucking their brains into a sink. Abortion is an active intervention into a natural system.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Did you know that am estimated 20% of pregnancies end in a miscarriage? Like, the idea that a pregnancy ending before term is against “a natural system” is silly.

And youre missing the fact that a fetus is already actively violating the bodily autonomy of the pregnant person.

Its be like if after that car crash, I was hooked up to my neighbor for life support and if they unplugged themself, I would die. And having me hooked up to them was physically strenuous for them, gave them diabetes, fucked with their hormones, and was potentially life threatening AND they had to pay for all of it.

Now, we dont do this to people, especially not against their will, because its fucking EVIL.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Did your neighbor willingly go into an act that caused them to be hooked up to you? Because 99% of abortions are resulted from consensual acts.

Your point on miscarriages? Trying to change the argument shows you’re losing.

The baby is not part of your body. The baby’s a baby.

It’s simple. Either you think it’s a human or not. If it’s human, you don’t kill it. If you don’t, well you’re stupid and tell me what species it is? Even in it’s earliest cellular form, if it isn’t human, with building blocks growing, what species off building blocks is it?

[fandomsandfeminism]

In this scenario, the neighbor caused me to be injured by hitting me with a car. I said that.

And just because you dont understand why I brought up miscarriages (to show that pregnancies terminating early is a natural process too), doesnt mean Im changing the topic.

Again, whether or not a fetus is “human” isn’t being debated. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save a life.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

It’s the only debate. If it’s human you don’t kill it. That’s called murder.

Miscarriages happen, correct. A natural process without an external force killing the unborn human. Notice the external force part.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im telling you its not the only debate. Bodily autonomy and access to reproductive control is a big part of this for us.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to achieve what you want, you need to dictate that it isn’t a human. Because if it is declared a human, that opens a Pandora’s box no one should ever want to open.

Pro-abortionists, like yourself, only care about the right to abort. You have no claim to care about human decency after the fact you with to kill an unborn human.

Your fight about spanking, income inequality, and etc makes you a hypocrite of the highest level.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow, you fundamentally dont understand concepts like consent and bodily autonomy and how they are relevant to this debate, huh?

I dont WANT people to get abortions. I want people to be able to have abortions if they choose to, because access to medical care, family planning, and bodily autonomy are key to a high quality of life in a society and key to the personal liberties of those within it.

Thanks

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

I do fundamentally understand. My understanding differs from your illogical understanding.

You value things and high quality of life that is built upon the concept that human life isn’t valuable. It is a commodity that can be discarded when it isn’t convenient.

Your values are based upon death, and killing of innocent humans, so what, we can have a nice car or tv?

You’re defending killing of innocent life.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Its become clear that you arent interested in actually discussing what Im saying. Youre interested in projecting what you want me to say so you can throw around ad hominems and emotional outbursts instead of engaging with the real topic at hand.

Like, youve equated “quality of life ” to “a nice car” and “reproductive control and bodily autonomy ” to “you value death”

Youve completely ignored the analogy we built to demonstrate the value of bodily autonomy and you have refused to address that fundamental issue of bodily autonomy in a meaningful way.

If you are just going to keep shouting the same fallacies and dodging the point, feel free to not reblog and find something better to do.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

No your issue is I won’t play on your field and by the rules you have set forth. Body autonomy is a double edged sword. What about the unborn child’s body? Even in it’s earliest form, it’s DNA is building it’s body. Did the child ask the mother to have sex? Did the child consent to being conceived?

You are placing value of the mother above the unborn human, when the mother was the one that initiated that acts that caused said pregnancy. Value is equal because human life value is equal across the board.

I haven’t ignored what you’ve done. I’ve argued against it because it’s illogical and evil.

You are defending death of innocent humans for the purpose of “quality of life”, you have yet to define.

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus doesnt have bodily autonomy because a fetus isnt autonomous. This is very simple.

I didnt realize you didnt know what quality of life meant, bro. But ok. Quality of life is a broad measure that looks at the over all, well, quality of how people live, including health, working conditions, education, life expectancy, and even things like voting rights and income. The Human Development Index is one of the most well known measurements of this.

Access to family planning and reproductive control strongly correlates to increased quality of life in a society.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So, are you insisting there was nothing but low quality of life before abortion?

If the fetus is deemed a human it has is own body inside that of its mother. Being dependant on the mother doesn’t take away it’s rights to it’s own body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. I’m saying that women being able to control the quantity and timing of their pregnancies is linked with increased quality of life.  We know that reproductive control lowers overall birth rates AND we know that lower birth rates boost economies and standards of living.  Reproductive control is linked with women having better education, entering the workforce in higher numbers, and improved literacy. Women being able to control their pregnancies is GOOD for society as a whole. Stripping women of their bodily autonomy is not. 

2. Yes, it does. A fetus isn’t autonomous, so it doesn’t have bodily autonomy.  That’s…that’s how definitions work. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So your dodging the question. Fair enough.

So if women get full control over pregnancies, men should in no way be financially obligated to child raising? ( and no this isn’t negating the point that killing an innocent human is okay. Women are not God and do not get the right to determine life and death at their whim)

They do have body autonomy. It’s a separate life. Indeed it’s inside a female but it’s still a separate body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Providing evidence isn’t dodging. 

2. Bodily autonomy isn’t the same thing as financial responsibility, and it’s insulting to suggest that a woman’s body is equivalent to a man’s checkbook. 

3. You can’t have bodily autonomy if you aren’t autonomous. Do you know what autonomy means? I don’t think you know what  autonomy means. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

1. Was there only low quality of life before abortion? Simple question.

2. There are tons of laws that restrict body autonomy. Everyone’s body is restricted.

3.There is no set definition when body autonomy begins. Because it’s just a theory, a concept, someone’s thought. Nice try.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Quality of life has been steadily improving over time in socieities with increased reproductive control for a very long time.  I provided direct evidence of this.  And, for the record, reproductive control methods have existed and improved over time for thousands of years as well. 

2. This isn’t even the point you were trying to make. Now who’s dodging? 

3. Again, do you know what autonomous means? Do you know what autonomy means?  I don’t think you do.  I provided evidence that the two are linked.  Youre 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Some would argue over the last 20 years quality of life, minus medical advancements, has decreased in quality. Due to various reasons.

You dodged the point, comparing a body to a checkbook. I do realize your mind see humans assests and not living things with distinct personalities.

I do know Wednesday autonomy means. I also know body autonomy is a theory, an idea. One you try to use to solidify your point of view. You’re using theory, not fact.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Some would need to provide evidence for that.

2. No, I said that YOU comparing a woman’s bodily autonomy to a man’s financial responsibility was a bad comparison. 

3. Define autonomy for me, please. And explain how a fetus has autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

3. “There is a concept called body autonomy. It’s generally considered a human right. Bodily autonomy means a person has control over whom or what uses their body, for what, and for how long. It’s why you can’t be forced to donate blood, tissue, or organs. Even if you are dead.“

There is no definition when autonomy begins. The left’s way to replace the word life. It use to be when don’t know when life begins, and that was debunked, so the left switched to autonomy, which then can’t even be determined.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I didn’t ask you to define bodily autonomy. I asked you to define autonomy and explain how a fetus has it. The concepts are related, but not identical. One must first have autonomy to have bodily autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

How doesn’t a fetus have autonomy? If left to it’s own freedom it will grow to be a child. I mean if you dive into the moral independence aspect and not give it broadly, if you tighten the area of autonomy, then you could say children don’t have autonomy until a certain age. You could say patients in coma don’t have autonomy.

A fetus in an aspect is self governing. It is growing to achieve its goal if left uninhibited. A mother doesn’t even need to take particularly for care of herself and the unborn human will grow into a born human. Not one that can survive on it’s own, which is why viability argument, for pro-abortionists like yourself, is pointless and illogical. A baby isn’t viable. It needs care. You could infer more care and more demanding of time than when in the womb.

A fetus (as you try to desensitize people to it actually being an unborn child), is self governing. The DNA is instructing it to grow into a specific child.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You still didn’t answer the question. Having autonomy in the future is not the same as having autonomy now.

Please define autonomy and explain how it applies to a fetus. 

The fact that you think children don’t have biological autonomy tells me that you don’t know what autonomy is.  Or viability, given how you said a living infant isn’t viable. Which, yeah it is. You just don’t understand those concepts. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Autonomy: 1: the quality or state of being self-governing; especially : the right of self-government The territory was granted autonomy. 2: self-directing freedom and especially moral independence personal autonomy 3: a self-governing state

Gave you all three definitions. Sorry if that’s to much for you. My response was valid.

I’m not saying children don’t autonomy, I’m saying by liberal logic they might not.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You gave definitions of autonomy that have the word autonomy in them. And they’re about countries.  That’s so cute. Here, I’ll help. 

Autonomy(referring to living things and not, like countries)  is the state of existing and functioning as an independent organism. A child is autonomous, a fetus is not. So a fetus doesn’t not have bodily autonomy.  Thanks for your time. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s not an official definition. Your opinionated definition is much appreciated but highly invalid.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

I'm sure if I look up on Wikipedia it'll give me your definition too. Lol. My goodness.

[stfuprolifers]

Iowa governor signs restrictive abortion ban known as 'heartbeat bill'

Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds signed legislation on Friday that prohibits doctors from performing an abortion if a fetal heartbeat is detected.

This is tragic news. Anti-choicers are so fucking ignorant and cruel with their insidious TRAP laws. Most people don’t even realize they’re pregnant until AFTER six weeks. 

‘…doctors are not allowed to perform an abortion before testing for a fetal heartbeat. It requires a physician to notify the woman seeking an abortion in writing whether a heartbeat is detected and that abortion is barred in the event that it is detected. Fetal heartbeats can be detected as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. Critics have pointed out that the legislation would effectively ban abortion at six weeks and before a woman is aware that she is pregnant. Fred Hubbell, a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the upcoming governor’s race, said in a statement that Reynolds “has once again proven that she is willing to put political extremism over the health, well-being and rights of Iowa women.“ 

“This bill will be the vehicle that will ultimately provide change and provide the opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade,” Iowa Republican state senator Rick Bertrand said of the legislation during floor debate. “There’s nothing hidden here about the agenda. You know, today the pro-life movement won a battle, but the war rages on.“’

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im so fucking angry. This is evil.

[shamethepainaway]

Good maybe you’ll realize you’re killing a fucking baby

[fandomsandfeminism]

Terminating a pregnancy isnt killing a baby, ya lollipop. A fetus isnt a baby.

And, for the record, whether or not a fetus is  baby isnt really the point. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

denying that a fetus is not an autonomous human being is pretty fucking sick to be honest. 

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus ISNT autonomous.

Like, literally. It does not have autonomy. Its literally physically dependent on the physical body of the pregnant person to be alive.

And, again, whether or not a fetus is autonomous isnt the point. Fully grown conscious AUTONOMOUS people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

Lol k

[fandomsandfeminism]

Is this your best attempt at “crushing the Libs”? Because consider me uncrushed and unimpressed. 

[shamethepainaway]

Well I realized I wasn’t really in the mood tbh I have better stuff to do

[fandomsandfeminism]

Hmmmm yet you replied to this and have continued to respond to other people on this same post.

“Better things to do? indeed.

Lol. k 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So if you’re asleep, I can kill you? Your not conscious. Such an invalid argument.

Human life cycle begins at conception. Check any science book.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I never said anything about consciousness or the beginning of life being key to the argument.

Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s a weak argument.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Sorry, thats a weak rebuttal.

I dont particularly care how pro lifers view the issue- I care about the consequences of their legislation, which erodes bodily autonomy and reproductive control.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to correct your argument about the car wreck. You’re correct they can’t be forced to donate blood, but in turn they can’t kill you either. Women have to do a forcible act to kill the unborn human.

There is a difference between “pulling the plug” and forcible killing. You have no duty to give someone your blood to keep them alive, but you also have no justification for stabbing that person in the head and sucking their brains into a sink. Abortion is an active intervention into a natural system.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Did you know that am estimated 20% of pregnancies end in a miscarriage? Like, the idea that a pregnancy ending before term is against “a natural system” is silly.

And youre missing the fact that a fetus is already actively violating the bodily autonomy of the pregnant person.

Its be like if after that car crash, I was hooked up to my neighbor for life support and if they unplugged themself, I would die. And having me hooked up to them was physically strenuous for them, gave them diabetes, fucked with their hormones, and was potentially life threatening AND they had to pay for all of it.

Now, we dont do this to people, especially not against their will, because its fucking EVIL.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Did your neighbor willingly go into an act that caused them to be hooked up to you? Because 99% of abortions are resulted from consensual acts.

Your point on miscarriages? Trying to change the argument shows you’re losing.

The baby is not part of your body. The baby’s a baby.

It’s simple. Either you think it’s a human or not. If it’s human, you don’t kill it. If you don’t, well you’re stupid and tell me what species it is? Even in it’s earliest cellular form, if it isn’t human, with building blocks growing, what species off building blocks is it?

[fandomsandfeminism]

In this scenario, the neighbor caused me to be injured by hitting me with a car. I said that.

And just because you dont understand why I brought up miscarriages (to show that pregnancies terminating early is a natural process too), doesnt mean Im changing the topic.

Again, whether or not a fetus is “human” isn’t being debated. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save a life.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

It’s the only debate. If it’s human you don’t kill it. That’s called murder.

Miscarriages happen, correct. A natural process without an external force killing the unborn human. Notice the external force part.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im telling you its not the only debate. Bodily autonomy and access to reproductive control is a big part of this for us.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to achieve what you want, you need to dictate that it isn’t a human. Because if it is declared a human, that opens a Pandora’s box no one should ever want to open.

Pro-abortionists, like yourself, only care about the right to abort. You have no claim to care about human decency after the fact you with to kill an unborn human.

Your fight about spanking, income inequality, and etc makes you a hypocrite of the highest level.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow, you fundamentally dont understand concepts like consent and bodily autonomy and how they are relevant to this debate, huh?

I dont WANT people to get abortions. I want people to be able to have abortions if they choose to, because access to medical care, family planning, and bodily autonomy are key to a high quality of life in a society and key to the personal liberties of those within it.

Thanks

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

I do fundamentally understand. My understanding differs from your illogical understanding.

You value things and high quality of life that is built upon the concept that human life isn’t valuable. It is a commodity that can be discarded when it isn’t convenient.

Your values are based upon death, and killing of innocent humans, so what, we can have a nice car or tv?

You’re defending killing of innocent life.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Its become clear that you arent interested in actually discussing what Im saying. Youre interested in projecting what you want me to say so you can throw around ad hominems and emotional outbursts instead of engaging with the real topic at hand.

Like, youve equated “quality of life ” to “a nice car” and “reproductive control and bodily autonomy ” to “you value death”

Youve completely ignored the analogy we built to demonstrate the value of bodily autonomy and you have refused to address that fundamental issue of bodily autonomy in a meaningful way.

If you are just going to keep shouting the same fallacies and dodging the point, feel free to not reblog and find something better to do.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

No your issue is I won’t play on your field and by the rules you have set forth. Body autonomy is a double edged sword. What about the unborn child’s body? Even in it’s earliest form, it’s DNA is building it’s body. Did the child ask the mother to have sex? Did the child consent to being conceived?

You are placing value of the mother above the unborn human, when the mother was the one that initiated that acts that caused said pregnancy. Value is equal because human life value is equal across the board.

I haven’t ignored what you’ve done. I’ve argued against it because it’s illogical and evil.

You are defending death of innocent humans for the purpose of “quality of life”, you have yet to define.

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus doesnt have bodily autonomy because a fetus isnt autonomous. This is very simple.

I didnt realize you didnt know what quality of life meant, bro. But ok. Quality of life is a broad measure that looks at the over all, well, quality of how people live, including health, working conditions, education, life expectancy, and even things like voting rights and income. The Human Development Index is one of the most well known measurements of this.

Access to family planning and reproductive control strongly correlates to increased quality of life in a society.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So, are you insisting there was nothing but low quality of life before abortion?

If the fetus is deemed a human it has is own body inside that of its mother. Being dependant on the mother doesn’t take away it’s rights to it’s own body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. I’m saying that women being able to control the quantity and timing of their pregnancies is linked with increased quality of life.  We know that reproductive control lowers overall birth rates AND we know that lower birth rates boost economies and standards of living.  Reproductive control is linked with women having better education, entering the workforce in higher numbers, and improved literacy. Women being able to control their pregnancies is GOOD for society as a whole. Stripping women of their bodily autonomy is not. 

2. Yes, it does. A fetus isn’t autonomous, so it doesn’t have bodily autonomy.  That’s…that’s how definitions work. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So your dodging the question. Fair enough.

So if women get full control over pregnancies, men should in no way be financially obligated to child raising? ( and no this isn’t negating the point that killing an innocent human is okay. Women are not God and do not get the right to determine life and death at their whim)

They do have body autonomy. It’s a separate life. Indeed it’s inside a female but it’s still a separate body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Providing evidence isn’t dodging. 

2. Bodily autonomy isn’t the same thing as financial responsibility, and it’s insulting to suggest that a woman’s body is equivalent to a man’s checkbook. 

3. You can’t have bodily autonomy if you aren’t autonomous. Do you know what autonomy means? I don’t think you know what  autonomy means. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

1. Was there only low quality of life before abortion? Simple question.

2. There are tons of laws that restrict body autonomy. Everyone’s body is restricted.

3.There is no set definition when body autonomy begins. Because it’s just a theory, a concept, someone’s thought. Nice try.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Quality of life has been steadily improving over time in socieities with increased reproductive control for a very long time.  I provided direct evidence of this.  And, for the record, reproductive control methods have existed and improved over time for thousands of years as well. 

2. This isn’t even the point you were trying to make. Now who’s dodging? 

3. Again, do you know what autonomous means? Do you know what autonomy means?  I don’t think you do.  I provided evidence that the two are linked.  Youre 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Some would argue over the last 20 years quality of life, minus medical advancements, has decreased in quality. Due to various reasons.

You dodged the point, comparing a body to a checkbook. I do realize your mind see humans assests and not living things with distinct personalities.

I do know Wednesday autonomy means. I also know body autonomy is a theory, an idea. One you try to use to solidify your point of view. You’re using theory, not fact.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Some would need to provide evidence for that.

2. No, I said that YOU comparing a woman’s bodily autonomy to a man’s financial responsibility was a bad comparison. 

3. Define autonomy for me, please. And explain how a fetus has autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

3. “There is a concept called body autonomy. It’s generally considered a human right. Bodily autonomy means a person has control over whom or what uses their body, for what, and for how long. It’s why you can’t be forced to donate blood, tissue, or organs. Even if you are dead.“

There is no definition when autonomy begins. The left’s way to replace the word life. It use to be when don’t know when life begins, and that was debunked, so the left switched to autonomy, which then can’t even be determined.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I didn’t ask you to define bodily autonomy. I asked you to define autonomy and explain how a fetus has it. The concepts are related, but not identical. One must first have autonomy to have bodily autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

How doesn’t a fetus have autonomy? If left to it’s own freedom it will grow to be a child. I mean if you dive into the moral independence aspect and not give it broadly, if you tighten the area of autonomy, then you could say children don’t have autonomy until a certain age. You could say patients in coma don’t have autonomy.

A fetus in an aspect is self governing. It is growing to achieve its goal if left uninhibited. A mother doesn’t even need to take particularly for care of herself and the unborn human will grow into a born human. Not one that can survive on it’s own, which is why viability argument, for pro-abortionists like yourself, is pointless and illogical. A baby isn’t viable. It needs care. You could infer more care and more demanding of time than when in the womb.

A fetus (as you try to desensitize people to it actually being an unborn child), is self governing. The DNA is instructing it to grow into a specific child.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You still didn’t answer the question. Having autonomy in the future is not the same as having autonomy now.

Please define autonomy and explain how it applies to a fetus. 

The fact that you think children don’t have biological autonomy tells me that you don’t know what autonomy is.  Or viability, given how you said a living infant isn’t viable. Which, yeah it is. You just don’t understand those concepts. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Autonomy: 1: the quality or state of being self-governing; especially : the right of self-government The territory was granted autonomy. 2: self-directing freedom and especially moral independence personal autonomy 3: a self-governing state

Gave you all three definitions. Sorry if that’s to much for you. My response was valid.

I’m not saying children don’t autonomy, I’m saying by liberal logic they might not.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You gave definitions of autonomy that have the word autonomy in them. And they’re about countries.  That’s so cute. Here, I’ll help. 

Autonomy(referring to living things and not, like countries)  is the state of existing and functioning as an independent organism. A child is autonomous, a fetus is not. So a fetus doesn’t not have bodily autonomy.  Thanks for your time. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s not an official definition. Your opinionated definition is much appreciated but highly invalid.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Because every reputable dictionary, Oxford, Cambridge, Merriam, you know, the not .coms, have only 3 definitions.

[stfuprolifers]

Iowa governor signs restrictive abortion ban known as 'heartbeat bill'

Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds signed legislation on Friday that prohibits doctors from performing an abortion if a fetal heartbeat is detected.

This is tragic news. Anti-choicers are so fucking ignorant and cruel with their insidious TRAP laws. Most people don’t even realize they’re pregnant until AFTER six weeks. 

‘…doctors are not allowed to perform an abortion before testing for a fetal heartbeat. It requires a physician to notify the woman seeking an abortion in writing whether a heartbeat is detected and that abortion is barred in the event that it is detected. Fetal heartbeats can be detected as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. Critics have pointed out that the legislation would effectively ban abortion at six weeks and before a woman is aware that she is pregnant. Fred Hubbell, a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the upcoming governor’s race, said in a statement that Reynolds “has once again proven that she is willing to put political extremism over the health, well-being and rights of Iowa women.“ 

“This bill will be the vehicle that will ultimately provide change and provide the opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade,” Iowa Republican state senator Rick Bertrand said of the legislation during floor debate. “There’s nothing hidden here about the agenda. You know, today the pro-life movement won a battle, but the war rages on.“’

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im so fucking angry. This is evil.

[shamethepainaway]

Good maybe you’ll realize you’re killing a fucking baby

[fandomsandfeminism]

Terminating a pregnancy isnt killing a baby, ya lollipop. A fetus isnt a baby.

And, for the record, whether or not a fetus is  baby isnt really the point. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

denying that a fetus is not an autonomous human being is pretty fucking sick to be honest. 

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus ISNT autonomous.

Like, literally. It does not have autonomy. Its literally physically dependent on the physical body of the pregnant person to be alive.

And, again, whether or not a fetus is autonomous isnt the point. Fully grown conscious AUTONOMOUS people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[shamethepainaway]

Lol k

[fandomsandfeminism]

Is this your best attempt at “crushing the Libs”? Because consider me uncrushed and unimpressed. 

[shamethepainaway]

Well I realized I wasn’t really in the mood tbh I have better stuff to do

[fandomsandfeminism]

Hmmmm yet you replied to this and have continued to respond to other people on this same post.

“Better things to do? indeed.

Lol. k 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So if you’re asleep, I can kill you? Your not conscious. Such an invalid argument.

Human life cycle begins at conception. Check any science book.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I never said anything about consciousness or the beginning of life being key to the argument.

Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save their own lives. If my neighbor hit me with a car and I will DIE if they don’t donate blood to save me, they can’t be FORCED to donate blood. It’s a CHOICE, even when a life is on the line

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s a weak argument.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Sorry, thats a weak rebuttal.

I dont particularly care how pro lifers view the issue- I care about the consequences of their legislation, which erodes bodily autonomy and reproductive control.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to correct your argument about the car wreck. You’re correct they can’t be forced to donate blood, but in turn they can’t kill you either. Women have to do a forcible act to kill the unborn human.

There is a difference between “pulling the plug” and forcible killing. You have no duty to give someone your blood to keep them alive, but you also have no justification for stabbing that person in the head and sucking their brains into a sink. Abortion is an active intervention into a natural system.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Did you know that am estimated 20% of pregnancies end in a miscarriage? Like, the idea that a pregnancy ending before term is against “a natural system” is silly.

And youre missing the fact that a fetus is already actively violating the bodily autonomy of the pregnant person.

Its be like if after that car crash, I was hooked up to my neighbor for life support and if they unplugged themself, I would die. And having me hooked up to them was physically strenuous for them, gave them diabetes, fucked with their hormones, and was potentially life threatening AND they had to pay for all of it.

Now, we dont do this to people, especially not against their will, because its fucking EVIL.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Did your neighbor willingly go into an act that caused them to be hooked up to you? Because 99% of abortions are resulted from consensual acts.

Your point on miscarriages? Trying to change the argument shows you’re losing.

The baby is not part of your body. The baby’s a baby.

It’s simple. Either you think it’s a human or not. If it’s human, you don’t kill it. If you don’t, well you’re stupid and tell me what species it is? Even in it’s earliest cellular form, if it isn’t human, with building blocks growing, what species off building blocks is it?

[fandomsandfeminism]

In this scenario, the neighbor caused me to be injured by hitting me with a car. I said that.

And just because you dont understand why I brought up miscarriages (to show that pregnancies terminating early is a natural process too), doesnt mean Im changing the topic.

Again, whether or not a fetus is “human” isn’t being debated. Fully grown conscious people don’t get to violate my bodily autonomy, even to save a life.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

It’s the only debate. If it’s human you don’t kill it. That’s called murder.

Miscarriages happen, correct. A natural process without an external force killing the unborn human. Notice the external force part.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Im telling you its not the only debate. Bodily autonomy and access to reproductive control is a big part of this for us.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

And to achieve what you want, you need to dictate that it isn’t a human. Because if it is declared a human, that opens a Pandora’s box no one should ever want to open.

Pro-abortionists, like yourself, only care about the right to abort. You have no claim to care about human decency after the fact you with to kill an unborn human.

Your fight about spanking, income inequality, and etc makes you a hypocrite of the highest level.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow, you fundamentally dont understand concepts like consent and bodily autonomy and how they are relevant to this debate, huh?

I dont WANT people to get abortions. I want people to be able to have abortions if they choose to, because access to medical care, family planning, and bodily autonomy are key to a high quality of life in a society and key to the personal liberties of those within it.

Thanks

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

I do fundamentally understand. My understanding differs from your illogical understanding.

You value things and high quality of life that is built upon the concept that human life isn’t valuable. It is a commodity that can be discarded when it isn’t convenient.

Your values are based upon death, and killing of innocent humans, so what, we can have a nice car or tv?

You’re defending killing of innocent life.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Its become clear that you arent interested in actually discussing what Im saying. Youre interested in projecting what you want me to say so you can throw around ad hominems and emotional outbursts instead of engaging with the real topic at hand.

Like, youve equated “quality of life ” to “a nice car” and “reproductive control and bodily autonomy ” to “you value death”

Youve completely ignored the analogy we built to demonstrate the value of bodily autonomy and you have refused to address that fundamental issue of bodily autonomy in a meaningful way.

If you are just going to keep shouting the same fallacies and dodging the point, feel free to not reblog and find something better to do.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

No your issue is I won’t play on your field and by the rules you have set forth. Body autonomy is a double edged sword. What about the unborn child’s body? Even in it’s earliest form, it’s DNA is building it’s body. Did the child ask the mother to have sex? Did the child consent to being conceived?

You are placing value of the mother above the unborn human, when the mother was the one that initiated that acts that caused said pregnancy. Value is equal because human life value is equal across the board.

I haven’t ignored what you’ve done. I’ve argued against it because it’s illogical and evil.

You are defending death of innocent humans for the purpose of “quality of life”, you have yet to define.

[fandomsandfeminism]

A fetus doesnt have bodily autonomy because a fetus isnt autonomous. This is very simple.

I didnt realize you didnt know what quality of life meant, bro. But ok. Quality of life is a broad measure that looks at the over all, well, quality of how people live, including health, working conditions, education, life expectancy, and even things like voting rights and income. The Human Development Index is one of the most well known measurements of this.

Access to family planning and reproductive control strongly correlates to increased quality of life in a society.

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So, are you insisting there was nothing but low quality of life before abortion?

If the fetus is deemed a human it has is own body inside that of its mother. Being dependant on the mother doesn’t take away it’s rights to it’s own body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. I’m saying that women being able to control the quantity and timing of their pregnancies is linked with increased quality of life.  We know that reproductive control lowers overall birth rates AND we know that lower birth rates boost economies and standards of living.  Reproductive control is linked with women having better education, entering the workforce in higher numbers, and improved literacy. Women being able to control their pregnancies is GOOD for society as a whole. Stripping women of their bodily autonomy is not. 

2. Yes, it does. A fetus isn’t autonomous, so it doesn’t have bodily autonomy.  That’s…that’s how definitions work. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

So your dodging the question. Fair enough.

So if women get full control over pregnancies, men should in no way be financially obligated to child raising? ( and no this isn’t negating the point that killing an innocent human is okay. Women are not God and do not get the right to determine life and death at their whim)

They do have body autonomy. It’s a separate life. Indeed it’s inside a female but it’s still a separate body.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Providing evidence isn’t dodging. 

2. Bodily autonomy isn’t the same thing as financial responsibility, and it’s insulting to suggest that a woman’s body is equivalent to a man’s checkbook. 

3. You can’t have bodily autonomy if you aren’t autonomous. Do you know what autonomy means? I don’t think you know what  autonomy means. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

1. Was there only low quality of life before abortion? Simple question.

2. There are tons of laws that restrict body autonomy. Everyone’s body is restricted.

3.There is no set definition when body autonomy begins. Because it’s just a theory, a concept, someone’s thought. Nice try.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Quality of life has been steadily improving over time in socieities with increased reproductive control for a very long time.  I provided direct evidence of this.  And, for the record, reproductive control methods have existed and improved over time for thousands of years as well. 

2. This isn’t even the point you were trying to make. Now who’s dodging? 

3. Again, do you know what autonomous means? Do you know what autonomy means?  I don’t think you do.  I provided evidence that the two are linked.  Youre 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Some would argue over the last 20 years quality of life, minus medical advancements, has decreased in quality. Due to various reasons.

You dodged the point, comparing a body to a checkbook. I do realize your mind see humans assests and not living things with distinct personalities.

I do know Wednesday autonomy means. I also know body autonomy is a theory, an idea. One you try to use to solidify your point of view. You’re using theory, not fact.

[fandomsandfeminism]

1. Some would need to provide evidence for that.

2. No, I said that YOU comparing a woman’s bodily autonomy to a man’s financial responsibility was a bad comparison. 

3. Define autonomy for me, please. And explain how a fetus has autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

3. “There is a concept called body autonomy. It’s generally considered a human right. Bodily autonomy means a person has control over whom or what uses their body, for what, and for how long. It’s why you can’t be forced to donate blood, tissue, or organs. Even if you are dead.“

There is no definition when autonomy begins. The left’s way to replace the word life. It use to be when don’t know when life begins, and that was debunked, so the left switched to autonomy, which then can’t even be determined.

[fandomsandfeminism]

I didn’t ask you to define bodily autonomy. I asked you to define autonomy and explain how a fetus has it. The concepts are related, but not identical. One must first have autonomy to have bodily autonomy. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

How doesn’t a fetus have autonomy? If left to it’s own freedom it will grow to be a child. I mean if you dive into the moral independence aspect and not give it broadly, if you tighten the area of autonomy, then you could say children don’t have autonomy until a certain age. You could say patients in coma don’t have autonomy.

A fetus in an aspect is self governing. It is growing to achieve its goal if left uninhibited. A mother doesn’t even need to take particularly for care of herself and the unborn human will grow into a born human. Not one that can survive on it’s own, which is why viability argument, for pro-abortionists like yourself, is pointless and illogical. A baby isn’t viable. It needs care. You could infer more care and more demanding of time than when in the womb.

A fetus (as you try to desensitize people to it actually being an unborn child), is self governing. The DNA is instructing it to grow into a specific child.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You still didn’t answer the question. Having autonomy in the future is not the same as having autonomy now.

Please define autonomy and explain how it applies to a fetus. 

The fact that you think children don’t have biological autonomy tells me that you don’t know what autonomy is.  Or viability, given how you said a living infant isn’t viable. Which, yeah it is. You just don’t understand those concepts. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Autonomy: 1: the quality or state of being self-governing; especially : the right of self-government The territory was granted autonomy. 2: self-directing freedom and especially moral independence personal autonomy 3: a self-governing state

Gave you all three definitions. Sorry if that’s to much for you. My response was valid.

I’m not saying children don’t autonomy, I’m saying by liberal logic they might not.

[fandomsandfeminism]

You gave definitions of autonomy that have the word autonomy in them. And they’re about countries.  That’s so cute. Here, I’ll help. 

Autonomy(referring to living things and not, like countries)  is the state of existing and functioning as an independent organism. A child is autonomous, a fetus is not. So a fetus doesn’t not have bodily autonomy.  Thanks for your time. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

Sorry that’s not an official definition. Your opinionated definition is much appreciated but highly invalid.

[fandomsandfeminism]

Wow. 

[ffvii-zero-vash-gow]

My bad just saw the .com