I find it so exhausting when people say "it's just comedy/improv" to object to critiques of D20. Y'all are being so disrespectful to the craft and the skill the performers have by saying that. It's not "just" anything.
This is a post about D20 in general with the specific exclusion of Fae and Flowers which gets a pass because they were supposed to have more time but development hell ate half their expected runtime.
Seeing people go "well it's improv, obviously you can't expect the Intrepid Heroes to pay attention to how much time they have left in the season" again and, as someone who has improv training, I have to say - from the bottom of my heart - You don't know you're talking about.
All comedians, especially improvisors, have to keep an eye on the clock. Time management is one of the skills that separates a professional comedian from a bunch of amateurs goofing around in a summer theatre class. And while D20 is selling you the parasocial feeling that their performers are just friends hanging out and you're invited to join, the reality is that they are professional comedians. That they are genuinely friends is a bonus.
(In Stand-Up, for example, the host has approxiamately 10-15 minutes to warm up the audience, then you get a few sets by different performers which last 15-20 minutes, and then the headliner gets 45-60 minutes, with extra if they're huge like Robin Williams. And if you aren't the headliner and you go over your alloted time or can't wrap up in a satisfying way - usually by tying your last joke back to an earlier one? You're not invited back.)
Now, in improv if there is one performer whose job is effectively referee (Clive Anderson and Drew Carrey for Whose Line, Brennan for D20, etc) it is also their job to not add things there is no time for, but the rest of the performers have to do this as well.
If your show has to have a satisfying wrap up in X amount of time (whether that's filming time, number of episodes, or when the next comedian who a bunch of the audience paid to see is to come on stage) then it's your job to make sure your material - practised or improvised - stays within that allotted time.
"Brennan and The Intrepid Heroes can't be expected to wrap things up in the time they have". Brennan and The Intrepid Heroes are literally professional comedians. It's their job to be able to do that.
And when they repeatedly cannot do that - that says there's problems with the production as well as the performers.
Then may i ask, why watch it? It seems like you have a large, thought out opinion on all seasons having this same issue (except for fey of flowers, apparently). And it seems like a large enough opinion to make it not fun to watch d20. So why continue? Just to keep having an opinion?
Also, who said they HAVE to have a satisfying ending all wrapped up in a nice bow? Theres a reason telenovelas and soaps do well. Why shows like greyâs anatomy have overly long runs, plus spin offs, while having numerous plot holes, plots that just go nowhere, cliff hangers and abrupt season finales. People still enjoy it and are still willing to tune in. There is a huge audience for shows that will take up a good amount of time in your day and where itâs okay not to remember everything bc the people in charge of writing the story might not remember either.
I enjoy D20 despite having the field knowledge to see its flaws - and it's absolutely bizarre to think people should only watching things they don't have the ability to critique.
I do not enjoy people disparaging the craft that goes into the show. My problem is not with the show, my problem is with people treating it like it's not something that can be analysed thoughtfully because it's "just comedy". I find that extremely disrespectful to the creators. You know, the thing I said in bold at the top of the post.
I find myself sad for you, that you cannot imagine that someone can enjoy something and also see it's flaws, so you assume people having opinions is negative.
If you can't handle someone critiquing a show you like, maybe ask yourself why you take someone pointing out flaws - and especially pointing out flaws in fan behaviour more than the show - as a personal attack.
As for your reference to telenovellas and soaps? Really weird choice to come on to a post about the genre rules of the genre the show belongs to and say "yeah but these other genres have different rules and people like those genres". If you had a genuine good faith arguement you would not be relying on whataboutism.
Also, let's be extremely fucking clear here: rushed endings and production problems speak to overworked performers and overworked crew. That's something we should ALWAYS be critical of - especially with a company like Dropout, that claims to treat everyone very well.
I apologize for not being more eloquent with my words, it definitely looks like i took your post as a personal attack and thats not how i should conduct myself.
I was genuinely curious on your wanting to watch the show, frankly the way your original post is structured feels a bit less like you criticizing fans opinions and more quoting fans you disagree with, criticizing the comedians and how they use their professionalism in the show, and then quoting fans again. I completely agree itâs fine to critique shows you enjoy it just seemed like you were more interested in disparaging the show rather than criticizing fans disparaging your craft.
With the genres and shows i have listed, my viewpoint is that drama and comedy will always mix and itâs near impossible to separate the two and make it something entertaining. There arenât d20 seasons that are complete comedy and there are seasons that lean more heavily on drama (nevermore, for example). Hamlet would not have been as good of a tragedy without itâs comedic scenes and Midsummer Nightâs Dream would not been as good of a comedy without the dramatic stakes that brought them into the plot in the first place blah blah blah.
I didnât give good examples. That is genuinely my bad. However, i think itâs also unfair to compare d20 to an improv show like Whoâs Line Is It Anyway when there is so much writing and preparation involved, both in production and from the players. There are large improvisational elements, itâs not an improv show.
Iâm not a film/tv girl. My education is in theater. You are right that rushed writing and production usually results in lower quality and i shouldnât have spoken on it like Iâm knowledgeable. I will stand on the fact that theres still an extremely large audience that is okay with plot holes and unsatisfying endings for portions of the plot. Frankly, iâm part of that audience. Iâm not here for cocomelon brain rot, but iâm not going to analyze every scene for what is right and what is wrong with it. I also donât do that within the field i am knowledgeable in, theres no fun in criticizing a theater production for things the majority audience wonât notice it or wonât care about, thats for actors and crew to hear about from their director post-show, not me.
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My rebuttals are messy and nonsensical. Iâm picking a fight for no good reason and i need to recognize that.
I donât believe in deleting shitty posts or reblogs i write so iâm just reblog again, say sorry, log off, and go touch some grass or something.
Sorry for picking stupid fights for no reason, you make some good points fr.
Also hope u enjoy next season, like seriously genuinely. I like the spooky theme it has going on in the trailer.
















