Falling apart, but no one knows it

Just your average girl. And that's all I'll ever be, average, nothing more, probably a lot less.

[chaoskitty-deactivated20201223]

Nothing makes me rage more than women talking about their experiences when a MAN says ‘Men get raped too you know.’ Ok...this isn’t about you. Spoiler. Not everything is. People are alowed to have discussions that don’t involve you. On top of that we can’t stop them from raping and killing thousands of us every year. And now we have to defend ourselves and you...from yourself. It’s easier to bitch at your female friends and tell them to shut up than it is to stop your male friends from being a piece of shit. Besides if he calls his friends out on their sexist bullshit he doesn’t get to be a sexist asshole later himself. He loses that privilege. Men really don’t want to do anything but complain and steal our achievements.

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

"It's not about you" says the person who makes someone else's gender identity about her...

[chaoskitty-deactivated20201223]

Wooooooow way to make it about gender identity. I was talking about straight men but way to reveal you KNOW trans women rape genetic women. 

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Assume much? I knew you were talking about straight men in this post, but because of your idiotic points on other posts, I laughed at this one and pointed out your a hypocrite.

You do realize that trans women get raped too? By both cis women and cis men. Newsflash, your gender rapes people too.

But you did get a couple of things right. Feminism isn't about women, it's about equality for everyone. And you are so fucking self centered for making EVERYTHING trans women do about you. Glad you could realize that 😄

[chaoskitty-deactivated20201223]

Nothing makes me rage more than women talking about their experiences when a MAN says ‘Men get raped too you know.’ Ok...this isn’t about you. Spoiler. Not everything is. People are alowed to have discussions that don’t involve you. On top of that we can’t stop them from raping and killing thousands of us every year. And now we have to defend ourselves and you...from yourself. It’s easier to bitch at your female friends and tell them to shut up than it is to stop your male friends from being a piece of shit. Besides if he calls his friends out on their sexist bullshit he doesn’t get to be a sexist asshole later himself. He loses that privilege. Men really don’t want to do anything but complain and steal our achievements.

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

"It's not about you" says the person who makes someone else's gender identity about her...

[mysterious-foxes]

(Source)

I suggest going through and reading the whole post. Gives some good insight into sexism and transphobia in history and even touches on a little bit of racism. Women aren't just baby making machines and deserve to be treated on the same level as men. This is one of the many reasons why trans women are women and trans men are men.

[chaoskitty-deactivated20201223]

“Nothing means nothing anymore! Next time your doctor asks your gender punch him in the teeth. You totally didn’t need that Pap smear or a prostate exam. It totally rocks dying from cancer because you don’t want to accept reality. That cancer was just trans phobic anyway for not accepting the fact you hate your body! Fuck everything!”

I guess I really shouldn’t be worried. You guys are all probably gonna die for medical neglect anyway because you refuse to talk to your doctors. 

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Your gender has nothing to do with your sexual health. You really don't understand anything you're talking about, do you?

[mysterious-foxes]

Ahh, yes, because I fight for people who you hate, I'm brainwashed 🙄 you don't get to decide someone else's gender identity just because someone told you you were female when you were born. That's not how it works. Also letting trans women talk is not letting men talk over you. You're just a transphobic bitch looking for people to pitty you. Sorry you can't handle being nice to people. I guess you're not actually looking for equality 🤷‍♀️

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

@chaoskitty

[endabortionnow-deactivated20201]

Poland, you’re doing amazing sweetie. Stand strong against the murder of children in the womb.

[moved-to-lilith-xxx-deactivated]

Yeah, its just amazing to see police officers pepper spraying women in the face for simply wanting rights to their bodies. 

What ever happened to “pro-life is pro-woman”? 

Or does that saying only apply to women that hold the same beliefs as you?

[mysterious-foxes]

OP can't differentiate between reproductive rights and murder (PSA: not all killing is murder). I don't think you'll get far with them.

[endabortionnow-deactivated20201]

Huh, that’s funny cause laws change all the time. It is murder, by law, in certain places right now and not a reproductive right. But okay op.

[mysterious-foxes]

Ahh, yes because just because some countries don't recognize human rights it means it's actually a bad thing. Guess we shouldn't care about kids in cages or anything like that because the country they're in aren't recognizing their human rights. Oh yeah, and you're forgetting that there's more to the definition of murder than just legality. But okay op.🤦‍♀️

[endabortionnow-deactivated20201]

So because you call abortion a human right it is? Ironic.

They only way you can say abortion is not murder is because it is a legal term. However, abortion is not legal in many countries. Therefore, it can be called murder as it is the unlawful killing of a human being. In places where it is legal only then would saying killing be more applicable than the term murder.

A fetus is a human being. An abortion ends their life. It kills the life. If unlawful it is murder.

Idk how to make this any more simple.

[mysterious-foxes]

@nonbinarydave did a really good job of saying what I was thinking while reading your argument.

Abortion isn't a human right because i say it is, it's because many international organizations like HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH say it is 🤦‍♀️

Something being a legal term doesn't mean that if it's illegal than it is that thing.

Also, just because something is human does not make it a human being. Sperm and ovum are human, but they're not human beings. Blood cells are human, but they're not human beings.

Part of it being murder requires malice. And abortion definitely isn't malicious. If you knew the definitions of words that you use, maybe we could have a conversation. But if you're going to continue to use emotional arguments that don't have facts backing them up (aka calling abortion murder), then it's just you throwing words around.

[endabortionnow-deactivated20201]

So many things wrong with your statements.

An iternational organization can name itself anything it would like; there are still huge divisions in the debate of abortion and many international groups that call the right to life a human right, not abortion. So by your declaration are they right too?

Failed logic? Yes something can be human with being a human being. But you’re conflating something that is human and something that is a human. A fetus is 100% a human being. That’s exactly what it is but medical observation.

Malice, by definition, can fit abortion. It is ill will, guilt of an offense, to kill against law. If you knew definitions and did not simply want to reply with arrogance, maybe we could have a conversation. But if you are going to end all of your replies like this. I’m not going to reply to you.

[mysterious-foxes]

Dude, all im saying is that I trust professionals in the field of human rights a lot more than I trust some random on the internet who had proven to not know what they're actually talking about. But you know, I guess since you think we can't trust human rights watch we should just let abusers get away with abuse and you sure didn't oppose kids being locked in cages. You definitely don't get to tell people what their morals should and shouldn't be.

I'm going to assume that you were agreeing that something can be human withOUT being a human being and that was just a typo (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on what you meant there). A fetus actually doesn't match the definition of a human being, but okay. Even if it is 100% a human being, that doesn't mean it has the right to use someone else's body without their continuous consent. Don't try to give fetuses a right no living, breathing human being in the world has. And stop trying to take away a right from pregnant people that even corpses have.

You have a very incorrect definition of malice. The only correct part was ill will. Malice is actually the intention to cause harm or do evil. And that's not abortion. To be fair, I'm sure there are some people who feel thay way when they get an abortion just like with any act, there are going to be people who feel that way, but that's an extremely small percent.

You don't have to respond to me. I know that I've actually done research and have done a lot of deep thinking into the topic including on how it affects the actual people who get an abortion (or might have to have one). It's clear you have not.

[endabortionnow-deactivated20201]

🤦‍♀️

“It’s clear you have not” is not an argument and a terrible way to try and end a statement. Again.

“Very wrong definition” no, malice, by definition is ill will, by legal definition it implies the guilt of an offense, and when you’re using a word in a sentence with context like I did you can say, “Malice, by definition, can fit abortion. It is ill will, guilt of an offense, to kill against law”. Here you have the definition, legal application, and what is happening in terms of abortion. If abortion is illegal it is killing against the law, showing ill will and guilt. I really didn’t think I would have to break that one down.

But yeah, I’m done with your passive agressive nonsense.

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Hey op, here's the legal definition of malice: "a conscious, intentional wrongdoing either of a civil wrong like libel (false written statement about another) or a criminal act like assault or murder, with the intention of doing harm to the victim. This intention includes ill-will, hatred or total disregard for the other's well-being." Just because someone does something that's against the law does not mean their intentions are ill or that they feel guilt.

It's extremely ironic and hypocritical that you say you're done with @mysterious-foxes passive aggressiveness while being extremely passive aggressive yourself. Maybe you should take a long hard look in the mirror

[endabortionnow-deactivated20201]

So exactly what I said fits the definition. The knowledge of your actions, or a guilty mind, is where it would be considered legally.

Annoyance is not the same as passive aggressive. But okay op

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

You're cherry picking the definition. Again, just because someone knowingly does something illegal does not mean they feel guilt about it. You're missing the part where they must have the intention of doing harm and with their intention, they must be ill willed (meaning wanting to cause harm), hatred (I feel like that one is pretty self explanatory), or total disregard for the other's will being. If you believe women feel that way when they have an abortion, then you are incredibly wrong.

You saying things like "I really didn't think I'd have to break that one down." And your tag of "how many times do I have to explain this definition" (that second one i don't know if I got word for word since I can't see it right in front of me while I'm typing) are both extremely passive aggressive. Even if that's how you're expressing your annoyance, it's still passive aggressive. A lot of people express that they're annoyed by passive aggressive means.

Also, why are you calling me OP? Or are you talking to yourself with that last sentence?

[endabortionnow-deactivated20201]

Poland, you’re doing amazing sweetie. Stand strong against the murder of children in the womb.

[moved-to-lilith-xxx-deactivated]

Yeah, its just amazing to see police officers pepper spraying women in the face for simply wanting rights to their bodies. 

What ever happened to “pro-life is pro-woman”? 

Or does that saying only apply to women that hold the same beliefs as you?

[mysterious-foxes]

OP can't differentiate between reproductive rights and murder (PSA: not all killing is murder). I don't think you'll get far with them.

[endabortionnow-deactivated20201]

Huh, that’s funny cause laws change all the time. It is murder, by law, in certain places right now and not a reproductive right. But okay op.

[mysterious-foxes]

Ahh, yes because just because some countries don't recognize human rights it means it's actually a bad thing. Guess we shouldn't care about kids in cages or anything like that because the country they're in aren't recognizing their human rights. Oh yeah, and you're forgetting that there's more to the definition of murder than just legality. But okay op.🤦‍♀️

[endabortionnow-deactivated20201]

So because you call abortion a human right it is? Ironic.

They only way you can say abortion is not murder is because it is a legal term. However, abortion is not legal in many countries. Therefore, it can be called murder as it is the unlawful killing of a human being. In places where it is legal only then would saying killing be more applicable than the term murder.

A fetus is a human being. An abortion ends their life. It kills the life. If unlawful it is murder.

Idk how to make this any more simple.

[mysterious-foxes]

@nonbinarydave did a really good job of saying what I was thinking while reading your argument.

Abortion isn't a human right because i say it is, it's because many international organizations like HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH say it is 🤦‍♀️

Something being a legal term doesn't mean that if it's illegal than it is that thing.

Also, just because something is human does not make it a human being. Sperm and ovum are human, but they're not human beings. Blood cells are human, but they're not human beings.

Part of it being murder requires malice. And abortion definitely isn't malicious. If you knew the definitions of words that you use, maybe we could have a conversation. But if you're going to continue to use emotional arguments that don't have facts backing them up (aka calling abortion murder), then it's just you throwing words around.

[endabortionnow-deactivated20201]

So many things wrong with your statements.

An iternational organization can name itself anything it would like; there are still huge divisions in the debate of abortion and many international groups that call the right to life a human right, not abortion. So by your declaration are they right too?

Failed logic? Yes something can be human with being a human being. But you’re conflating something that is human and something that is a human. A fetus is 100% a human being. That’s exactly what it is but medical observation.

Malice, by definition, can fit abortion. It is ill will, guilt of an offense, to kill against law. If you knew definitions and did not simply want to reply with arrogance, maybe we could have a conversation. But if you are going to end all of your replies like this. I’m not going to reply to you.

[mysterious-foxes]

Dude, all im saying is that I trust professionals in the field of human rights a lot more than I trust some random on the internet who had proven to not know what they're actually talking about. But you know, I guess since you think we can't trust human rights watch we should just let abusers get away with abuse and you sure didn't oppose kids being locked in cages. You definitely don't get to tell people what their morals should and shouldn't be.

I'm going to assume that you were agreeing that something can be human withOUT being a human being and that was just a typo (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on what you meant there). A fetus actually doesn't match the definition of a human being, but okay. Even if it is 100% a human being, that doesn't mean it has the right to use someone else's body without their continuous consent. Don't try to give fetuses a right no living, breathing human being in the world has. And stop trying to take away a right from pregnant people that even corpses have.

You have a very incorrect definition of malice. The only correct part was ill will. Malice is actually the intention to cause harm or do evil. And that's not abortion. To be fair, I'm sure there are some people who feel thay way when they get an abortion just like with any act, there are going to be people who feel that way, but that's an extremely small percent.

You don't have to respond to me. I know that I've actually done research and have done a lot of deep thinking into the topic including on how it affects the actual people who get an abortion (or might have to have one). It's clear you have not.

[endabortionnow-deactivated20201]

🤦‍♀️

“It’s clear you have not” is not an argument and a terrible way to try and end a statement. Again.

“Very wrong definition” no, malice, by definition is ill will, by legal definition it implies the guilt of an offense, and when you’re using a word in a sentence with context like I did you can say, “Malice, by definition, can fit abortion. It is ill will, guilt of an offense, to kill against law”. Here you have the definition, legal application, and what is happening in terms of abortion. If abortion is illegal it is killing against the law, showing ill will and guilt. I really didn’t think I would have to break that one down.

But yeah, I’m done with your passive agressive nonsense.

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Hey op, here's the legal definition of malice: "a conscious, intentional wrongdoing either of a civil wrong like libel (false written statement about another) or a criminal act like assault or murder, with the intention of doing harm to the victim. This intention includes ill-will, hatred or total disregard for the other's well-being." Just because someone does something that's against the law does not mean their intentions are ill or that they feel guilt.

It's extremely ironic and hypocritical that you say you're done with @mysterious-foxes passive aggressiveness while being extremely passive aggressive yourself. Maybe you should take a long hard look in the mirror

[demonofthelight]

If you're pro choice and over 18, please research the issue. Because you're an adult ; that's hard enough without being a child killer.

[queerandprochoice]

Wellllllll I’ve studied fetal development, biomedical ethics, taken multiple women studies classes, family psychology classes, written papers on Roe v. Wade and life before legal abortion, done one-on-one interviews with multiple women asking for firsthand experience both regarding their own abortion experiences and the impact of life without accessible abortion and birth control, and studied the actual procedures themselves.

So, I’ve researched from a medical perspective, a philosophical perspective, a feminist perspective, a human rights perspective, and a historical perspective. Pretty well rounded knowledge, if I don’t say so myself.

Just another well-educated adult who knows extensively about abortion and still firmly asserts that people have the right to control their own goddamn bodies and it’s unethical at best to try and strip them of their bodily autonomy.

Maybe you’re the one who needs to do more research

[demonofthelight]

Well you've researched badly the Harvard medical journal has already determined that

1. The fetus is a legal person in constitutional law.

2. Heartbeat of a fetus is developed by week 5

3. Brainwaves can be detected at 6 weeks.

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

1. No legal persons have the right to use someone else's body against their will.

2. It's not an actual heartbeat seeing as there isn't a heart. Just electrical pulses that mimic a heartbeat.

3. Brainwaves can also be detected in dead people. It's brain activity that matters.

And even if everything you said mattered as much as you think it does, that doesn't change the fact that @queerandprochoice has done some very in depth research and knows more about the subject than most people. Nor does it change the fact that all those things can be important and someone still be pro choice 🤷‍♀️

[ascendingtojesus]

Forgottendreams lefttodie is the one immature enough to make a long DNI list based off of someone she never interacted with beforehand and inserted herself into discourse that had nothing to do with her just look at her posts

What a girl

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Ahh, yes the immaturity! Creating a block list because of an anti choicer's block list that was getting hate sent to pro choicers. Oh no! How dare I try to help protect people from getting hate and death threats from anti choicers! Nice one anon

[ascendingtojesus]

@forgottendreams-lefttodie Aww can you make a block list of anti-lifers that send death threats because they all keep coming on MY blog!? Since I know you care SO much about my mental health, would you PLEASE do that? Thanks!

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

There's already one out there. Which is what caused the huge spike of hate towards pro choicers. Ask your anti choice friends. They might be able to direct you towards it.

[ascendingtojesus]

Forgottendreams lefttodie is the one immature enough to make a long DNI list based off of someone she never interacted with beforehand and inserted herself into discourse that had nothing to do with her just look at her posts

What a girl

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Ahh, yes the immaturity! Creating a block list because of an anti choicer's block list that was getting hate sent to pro choicers. Oh no! How dare I try to help protect people from getting hate and death threats from anti choicers! Nice one anon

[mysterious-foxes]

So I responded to this post and ascendingtojesus blocked me after I responded.

@forgottendreams-lefttodie I'm pretty sure I saw you call her out on blocking people when she's lost an argument rather than just not arguing due to mental health and she responded with she had already blocked everyone who was treating her like crap so her mental health was fine. And she said that you hadn't been rude to her so she was fine to argue with you. I didn't say a single mean thing to her. I just pointed out some hypocrisy that she didn't know how to respond to, so she blocked me probably "in the name of her mental health". 🙄 mind you this was long after she said that she had already blocked everyone who was rude to her and making her mental health decline. I smell some bullshit.

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Is that what she said? Huh, that's funny.

Well, @ascendingtojesus, thanks for proving another one of my points. You're doing really good at that today

[demonofthelight]

If a woman had an abortion to save her life, for example: an ectopic pregnancy, would you condemn that?

Abortion is intentionly killing the unborn, getting medical treatment like chemo which has a terrible side effect is tragic but its not an abortion.

[mysterious-foxes]

No, abortion is terminating a pregnancy. If the fetus is viable, it doesn't necessarily die in an abortion. Removing an ectopic pregnancy is still an abortion even though that fetus will never be viable and will soon kill the pregnant person. They won't perform any type of chemo that will harm a fetus until the person has an abortion. Please, please actually read up on things instead of spreading lies

[ascendingtojesus]

She just said a fetus doesn’t necessarily die in an abortion lol I hope she decides to actually read up on things

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

I hope you decide to actually read up on things. Before 29 weeks, even if the intention was for the fetus to survive it is still an abortion. Abortion doesn't mean kill. Abortion means terminating a pregnancy early.

[ascendingtojesus]

If there’s a pregnancy, there’s a life in the womb. If terminating the pregnancy, you’re also terminating the fetus. Keep it simple ladies n gents, don’t bury your conscience under all the convincing terms

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Okay, so a when someone is delivered via c-section they're dying? You're terminating the pregnancy. If someone is induced, the baby dies? They're terminating pregnancy. Terminate means end, not kill.

[ascendingtojesus]

You know this is the topic of abortion. You’re using the word ‘terminate’ for abortion purposes and so was I.

Are you saying that terminating a pregnancy during abortion is the same as terminating a pregnancy during birth?

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

You don't terminate a pregnancy during abortion or during birth. You use birth or abortion to terminate a pregnancy. Again, any form of birth before 29 weeks is an abortion if it isn't natural.

[demonofthelight]

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

That's one definition. Words have multiple meanings.

Here are 2 other definitions of abortion that don't include killing or death and one of them is Harvard

[demonofthelight]

The dictionary is the actual definition. Please try again. Harvard is politically spinning as both sides do

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Oh look, another definition from a dictionary 🤷‍♀️

[demonofthelight]

If a woman had an abortion to save her life, for example: an ectopic pregnancy, would you condemn that?

Abortion is intentionly killing the unborn, getting medical treatment like chemo which has a terrible side effect is tragic but its not an abortion.

[mysterious-foxes]

No, abortion is terminating a pregnancy. If the fetus is viable, it doesn't necessarily die in an abortion. Removing an ectopic pregnancy is still an abortion even though that fetus will never be viable and will soon kill the pregnant person. They won't perform any type of chemo that will harm a fetus until the person has an abortion. Please, please actually read up on things instead of spreading lies

[ascendingtojesus]

She just said a fetus doesn’t necessarily die in an abortion lol I hope she decides to actually read up on things

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

I hope you decide to actually read up on things. Before 29 weeks, even if the intention was for the fetus to survive it is still an abortion. Abortion doesn't mean kill. Abortion means terminating a pregnancy early.

[ascendingtojesus]

If there’s a pregnancy, there’s a life in the womb. If terminating the pregnancy, you’re also terminating the fetus. Keep it simple ladies n gents, don’t bury your conscience under all the convincing terms

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Okay, so a when someone is delivered via c-section they're dying? You're terminating the pregnancy. If someone is induced, the baby dies? They're terminating pregnancy. Terminate means end, not kill.

[ascendingtojesus]

You know this is the topic of abortion. You’re using the word ‘terminate’ for abortion purposes and so was I.

Are you saying that terminating a pregnancy during abortion is the same as terminating a pregnancy during birth?

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

You don't terminate a pregnancy during abortion or during birth. You use birth or abortion to terminate a pregnancy. Again, any form of birth before 29 weeks is an abortion if it isn't natural.

[demonofthelight]

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

That's one definition. Words have multiple meanings.

Here are 2 other definitions of abortion that don't include killing or death and one of them is Harvard

[demonofthelight]

If a woman had an abortion to save her life, for example: an ectopic pregnancy, would you condemn that?

Abortion is intentionly killing the unborn, getting medical treatment like chemo which has a terrible side effect is tragic but its not an abortion.

[mysterious-foxes]

No, abortion is terminating a pregnancy. If the fetus is viable, it doesn't necessarily die in an abortion. Removing an ectopic pregnancy is still an abortion even though that fetus will never be viable and will soon kill the pregnant person. They won't perform any type of chemo that will harm a fetus until the person has an abortion. Please, please actually read up on things instead of spreading lies

[ascendingtojesus]

She just said a fetus doesn’t necessarily die in an abortion lol I hope she decides to actually read up on things

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

I hope you decide to actually read up on things. Before 29 weeks, even if the intention was for the fetus to survive it is still an abortion. Abortion doesn't mean kill. Abortion means terminating a pregnancy early.

[ascendingtojesus]

If there’s a pregnancy, there’s a life in the womb. If terminating the pregnancy, you’re also terminating the fetus. Keep it simple ladies n gents, don’t bury your conscience under all the convincing terms

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Okay, so a when someone is delivered via c-section they're dying? You're terminating the pregnancy. If someone is induced, the baby dies? They're terminating pregnancy. Terminate means end, not kill.

[ascendingtojesus]

You know this is the topic of abortion. You’re using the word ‘terminate’ for abortion purposes and so was I.

Are you saying that terminating a pregnancy during abortion is the same as terminating a pregnancy during birth?

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

You don't terminate a pregnancy during abortion or during birth. You use birth or abortion to terminate a pregnancy. Again, any form of birth before 29 weeks is an abortion if it isn't natural.

[demonofthelight]

If a woman had an abortion to save her life, for example: an ectopic pregnancy, would you condemn that?

Abortion is intentionly killing the unborn, getting medical treatment like chemo which has a terrible side effect is tragic but its not an abortion.

[mysterious-foxes]

No, abortion is terminating a pregnancy. If the fetus is viable, it doesn't necessarily die in an abortion. Removing an ectopic pregnancy is still an abortion even though that fetus will never be viable and will soon kill the pregnant person. They won't perform any type of chemo that will harm a fetus until the person has an abortion. Please, please actually read up on things instead of spreading lies

[ascendingtojesus]

She just said a fetus doesn’t necessarily die in an abortion lol I hope she decides to actually read up on things

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

I hope you decide to actually read up on things. Before 29 weeks, even if the intention was for the fetus to survive it is still an abortion. Abortion doesn't mean kill. Abortion means terminating a pregnancy early.

[ascendingtojesus]

If there’s a pregnancy, there’s a life in the womb. If terminating the pregnancy, you’re also terminating the fetus. Keep it simple ladies n gents, don’t bury your conscience under all the convincing terms

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Okay, so a when someone is delivered via c-section they're dying? You're terminating the pregnancy. If someone is induced, the baby dies? They're terminating pregnancy. Terminate means end, not kill.

[demonofthelight]

If a woman had an abortion to save her life, for example: an ectopic pregnancy, would you condemn that?

Abortion is intentionly killing the unborn, getting medical treatment like chemo which has a terrible side effect is tragic but its not an abortion.

[mysterious-foxes]

No, abortion is terminating a pregnancy. If the fetus is viable, it doesn't necessarily die in an abortion. Removing an ectopic pregnancy is still an abortion even though that fetus will never be viable and will soon kill the pregnant person. They won't perform any type of chemo that will harm a fetus until the person has an abortion. Please, please actually read up on things instead of spreading lies

[ascendingtojesus]

She just said a fetus doesn’t necessarily die in an abortion lol I hope she decides to actually read up on things

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

I hope you decide to actually read up on things. Before 29 weeks, even if the intention was for the fetus to survive it is still an abortion. Abortion doesn't mean kill. Abortion means terminating a pregnancy early.

[demonofthelight]

Definition is utterly false. Definitions matter

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

Okay? Provide the definition then. Because Harvard's definition says it's just the removal of pregnancy tissue.

[demonofthelight]

If a woman had an abortion to save her life, for example: an ectopic pregnancy, would you condemn that?

Abortion is intentionly killing the unborn, getting medical treatment like chemo which has a terrible side effect is tragic but its not an abortion.

[mysterious-foxes]

No, abortion is terminating a pregnancy. If the fetus is viable, it doesn't necessarily die in an abortion. Removing an ectopic pregnancy is still an abortion even though that fetus will never be viable and will soon kill the pregnant person. They won't perform any type of chemo that will harm a fetus until the person has an abortion. Please, please actually read up on things instead of spreading lies

[ascendingtojesus]

She just said a fetus doesn’t necessarily die in an abortion lol I hope she decides to actually read up on things

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

I hope you decide to actually read up on things. Before 29 weeks, even if the intention was for the fetus to survive it is still an abortion. Abortion doesn't mean kill. Abortion means terminating a pregnancy early.

[demonofthelight]

Abortion didnt exist in biblical times??????? LMAO 😂😂 keep telling yourself that!

Nobody is this idiotic.

[forgottendreams-lefttodie]

You're right. Nobody is idiotic enough to believe that abortions didn't exist in biblical times