Is Durianrider and Freelees advice (of 2013ish) like 2500-3000 calories, raw til 4, 80/10/10 or 90/5/5 outdated? Has everyone moved on from that and learnt better? Should I still be listening to their message? Will raw till 4 make me fat like lots of people say? Please help, I’m new to this and confused about who’s message to follow
Obviously the sugar and white rice/bananas diet is something that I strongly disagree with and have spoken out about before, but overall the rawtill4, fruit based, 80/10/10, super low fat high carb, to me is I guess what I would call outdated. I don’t know anyone still following those guidelines, and more importantly everyone I know that started rawtill4 around the time I did is no longer following it.
Have I moved on and learnt better? Yes
Now I will admit, I did get really sucked into that way of eating and for a short period of time I even thought it was the BEST/only way to eat. I literally cringe at some of the things I use to say. I looked up to both Harley and freelee and really believe everything they said. When I first came to rawtill4, “hclf” yes I felt great. I was coming from a calorie restrictive diet based around animal products. So at the beginning I had lots of energy and became very passionate about helping others and spreading the word!!! But over the course of about a year I realized, it wasn’t satisfying me like it use to, my energy levels were very up and down, my skin wasn’t healing (I had skin problems before going vegan) and it was even getting worse. I was craving more foods like beans and avocado and feeling guilty because they were seen as “not ideal”…. *face palm*. Of course Tim was also having issues like acne that he never had experienced before upping the fruit and sugar intake.
I started looking more into other plant based doctors and began to change my diet. At first it was a fairly slow change like having cooked food for lunch, and then cooked food for all meals and I started to feel better and better. Then only in the last 6 months did I really stop following the 80/10/10 guideline, and listen to my body instead. It was a huge learning experience.
I hope that unlike some others on YouTube I will be able to admit my mistakes/ continue to learn and not be afraid to share my changes with you. I have learnt that I don’t know everything, and I should never just follow blindly someone else.
I have realised the importance of plant based fats and proteins, and everything about my overall health has improved since adding lots more beans, tofu, avocado, nuts, seeds, and VEGGIES. The rawtill4 diet didn’t focus on veggies enough in my opinion!
I’m not saying that fruit is bad, just in my experience a fruit based diet didn’t work for me long term, and I feel much better doing what I’m doing now. I know eat fruit is small qualities, like a mango with breakfast or 1-2 bananas in my acai bowl. I do know very few people that thrive on a high fruit diet, eg Ellen fisher, however she has access to the best quality fruits in the world and has tweaked her diet over the years to suit her needs.
So I guess my answer to you is. My recommendations for people going vegan is to eat a wholefoods, plant based diet. So yes it’s still going to be high carb because most plant foods are high carb, but add in your legumes, veggies, greens and fats to each meal! This way of waiting is supported by science and and many doctors, it’s NOT a FAD. Doctors have show that the healthiest civilizations primarily eat a whole foods plant based balanced diet! Of course it’s up to you to decide what makes you feel you best. Listen to your body, tweak and experiment with your diet to suit your needs.
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