Milgram au where the entire thing is recorded (including the music videos Es sees) and is posted for the entire world to see. And obv its treated like a huge scandal bc. mass kidnapping of several murderers. So a vast majority of the world sees this and now is intimately familiar with all the prisoners' deepest fears and traumas. Including the prisoners' families, friends and even enemies.
So not only are the prisoners extremely exposed and overwhelmed when they get out, but now everyone mentioned in their videos is too.
Rumerie hiding his face when he goes to class, just as Fuuta probably did, bc everyone has seen it and is staring at him. Kazui + his wifes family finding out he's gay, and either being very homophobic or just pitying him. Yuno getting more pity from everyone whose seen it, despite her wishes. Muu watching her reputation crumble and just feeling. dread.
I can imagine when they escape, they're being pressed for interviews. Yuno and Kazui would defend the younger ones + Fuuta and Mahiru from the interviewers. Shidou would try to get in the hospital rooms where Fuuta and Mahiru are being treated, bc all he wants to do is help, but he's not allowed to.
Obv this also depends on what happens after Milgram (specifically to the guilty prisoners) as well as the final verdicts. And what happens in trial 3. But we don't know that yet so. i shall wait in anticipation to expand on my silly lil au.
hi thank you for reminding me of this. i love this au.
yeah it's everything we don't see too! like full on surveillance footage of every moment they spend there, beyond even what's referenced or hinted at in canon. public gets to watch mikoto vs kotoko, gets to see mahiru and fuuta get beat up, gets to see... whatever else happens. timelines and stuff.
i like this au for milgram specifically (i have it for many different fandoms - like danganronpa, yttd, etc) because its completely different from our perception of milgrams events as viewers. the public isn't voting on anything or being put in a moral dilemma, they're just viewing the tragedy. and they're reacting with the knowledge that these are real people who they get to see every little moment of. it makes them more human.
fighting for my life as a milgram fan that doesn’t believe in the death penalty or punitive justice. did y’all think all inno t3 would be easy? that the prisoners revealed actions would not be designed to disgust you. have a backbone against the evil torture dungeon i beg🙏
"The fact that Futa feels bad and is trying to be better doesn't mean anything" it should mean everything if you have even a modicum of compassion at all. Genuinely what would voting him guilty at this point even achieve? You guys don't want people to get better you just want to impart your own punitive justice. Least self aware fandom fr.
as fuuta protection squad, you'd think I'd have more to say on the new mv. but uh. im honestly just baffled that people got pedophile from that. i dont even think i can. i mean. im just. what??????
this is about. calling her beautiful in the file, right? i dont have good translations for the tweets but i roughly shoved em in an app and i didnt find anything that implied that, esp not that fuuta said. so im going w the file.
im. ok. so.
firstly, you think if this was a pedophile rape thing, that would be mentioned more aside from a passing comment in the last mvs file?? nothing else insinuates thats what was happening. if that was the intent, they had her address. something would've happened. secondly, "the inclinations of his peers" very likely just refers to cancel culture instinct to bash on people who are pretty. also. shes pretty, so it'll get attention. fuuta was doing this for attention. not because he likes kids????
why. ok. im. man. the ppl who are like "if you're defending that pedophile, block me" are so funny to me bc. imagine being so in your head that you won't even like. consider why people might think hes not a pedo?? man. this fandom gets worse by the day....
“The result of doing looooots of sugar-daddying: Abortion.” Yuno trial two voice drama −273.15 °C.
this line is really starting to bug me out because Yuno accidentally tripping on a on a flight of stairs while perhaps contemplating suicide is not abortion. Like she had no reason to lie and say it was a abortion so were the writers thinking about having her get abortion but later they decided to change it to a miscarriage?
I don't think they changed it. They had too much foreshadowing, and Milgrams generally not like that. It's very thought out and everything has meaning. I think she considers it an abortion, and it's possible that society would also consider it that. In a place where abortion is frowned upon, people could've gotten the impression that her falling down the stairs was intentional and she wanted to get rid of the baby. And when she comes to Milgram, being told she's a murderer and being judged under the assumption that it was intentional, she's then going to come to that conclusion as well.
That's what Yuno's trial is about. How Milgram shaped her guilt, Milgram made it into a crime when it never was. The mere fact that she's being judged, whether or not she's voted innocent or guilty, means that she supposedly did something wrong. That's why she says her vote never mattered, it was being here in the first place that did.
Milgram is a take on society. It's not about whether or not she's actually a murderer or deserves to be punished for her crimes, it's about the fact that society sees her that way. She's a sex worker who (intentionally or not, though i believe it was intentional) fell down a flight of stairs and lost the child she was pregnant with. She didn't feel guilty about it until coming to Milgram, a metaphor for being exposed to the society that is judging her. It doesn't matter what she was voted, it was the fact that she was judged in the first place that made her feel guilty for it. Because it became a question of "was this wrong?" when it wasn't before. And my impression is that she doesn't feel guilty for the abortion / miscarriage (whichever it was), but feels bad over the fact that she doesn't feel guilty over it. She feels like she should, because society makes it seem like she should. That's why she's here.
I don't think they're trying to villainize her for having an abortion or anything like that, I think they're just drawing attention to the fact that it is considered a morally wrong act by society. Milgram itself is what's villainizing her, not the creators.
Idk if this makes sense or communicates what I'm thinking properly but. I just don't understand why people are getting so mad about it. Specifically people who are mad that she didn't do anything wrong when thats the point. Like, they wanted her to be worse to justify her being there when there is no justification, which is the point.
IM NOT FULLY SURE BUT I SAW SOMEONE STATING "not mine, found on tumblr" in a yt vid desc SO I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS YOURS 😭😭 SORRY IF IT SOUNDS LIKE IM MAKING SHIT UP 😭🙏
okok. actual contents of yuno album cover aside, I am still holding out hope that haruka's going to get a song and they're just not telling us. because the release date was set for three months from now, meanwhile the distance between other videos/songs was usually only a month. the first song after the second trial commencement notice was the same month, and yuno's was one after. so i think they're misleading us with this.
which, of course, if there isnt and its just taking a while for them to develop it, it's fine. production is hard and takes time. buuuut. im still theorizing. that there will be a song between then and now.
here in akaa we have what looks to be a search party's flashlights, which then shine on Haruka. this could be when he's caught after killing animals and questioned by the police. aka right before his actual murder.
this could be the jail cell he was in? because a popular theory was that he went to a psychward but thats not mentioned in his file. so i imagine its a cell. and this is still before the murder. which makes sense with how it shows him strangling the girl next.
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i like that we now have confirmation on what the cells look like. but whats that area of light behind him? a window??? its a weird shape for a window. but maybe.
so. I do think that haruka knew muu's verdict when he killed himself. because it doesn't make sense to me that he would've died regardless. milgram is very clear about the fact that our actions have consequences, and we decide what happens through our verdicts. they warn us about every death and give us a chance to stop them. we were warned haruka would kill himself if she was guilty, we were warned amane would kill shidou if he was innocent (and she wasn't guilty?) and we were warned that mahiru would die without medical treatment. i can't see them killing him anyway.
i think he means shes going to be innocent trial 3.
Ok so Haruka was starving himself, and we know Muu was trying to get him to eat by bringing food to him. Which means... she was trying to keep him alive and stop him from killing himself. She didn't want him to die. And as I saw someone else mention, she was probably the first to find his body.
They make me ill omg </3
Also. is this finally enough for people to stop denying that Amane killed Shidou? Like they had to say it straight to your face ten times, yall couldn't put that one together yourselves??? That sounds passive aggressive but like. it was so obvious- she told us she was going to and that she did, and people still thought it was Fuuta or Kotoko or even suicide.
I dont have strong thoughts on this new video bc its all things i expected/already knew. Like I knew Mahiru died bc Shidou did, and I expected how Haruka died, and I knew Jackalope would be unhinged. But I am still very excited :)
Idk how to start this post properly, but why do some of you hate Amane so much? She killed someone, but this is a prison for murderers? If you think amane should have been voted guilty, why? Do you really think a child deserves that kind of torture? Again?
Like, it's a well known fact that cults prey on vulnerable people* Like, for example, idk, a child? Like, Amane won't have unlearned their beliefs, because children do not usually have the ability to think critically if that isn't something they are taught and encouraged to do, and if the people around them all believe the same things they were taught, or roughly similar, and the media they have access to teaches them the same thing, then they are unlikely to question those beliefs, because they have no reason to. So, why is anyone surprised when Amane hasn't thought to really dissect any of those believes, why would she? That's what she's known for a long time, and milgram is not really a place to learn. It is a place for punishment, above all else. No matter what we voted amane, it would not have mattered, it would have taught her nothing, she would still feel that way about shidou, and maybe he wouldn't have died, but you would have still basically tortured a child, and she would still keep her beliefs, perhaps even more than she already did.
(*for another example, fuuta would have been in quite a vulnerable state after trial 1, because he was voted guilty, with no understanding as to why. Amane did not consciously try to indoctrinate him or anything, but the things she believes are usually supposed to be appealing to vulnerable people. It's why he ended up like this too, I think. Though granted, I don't personally have experience with any of this, so I am happy to be corrected on anything)
i dont speak for all amane guilty voters when i say this, but i don't hate amane as a character. i hate her as a person, because overly religious people kinda just piss me off, but that hatred doesn't extend to why i think she should be guilty.
in my opinion (i think this is where most of the fandom disagrees when it comes to her) 12 is an old enough age that she should be held responsible for her actions. her cult beliefs are the result of indoctrination, but so are those of her parents, and everyone else there. there comes a point where you can't just blame the people who imparted those beliefs on you, and you become responsible. otherwise, everyone's actions in that cult could just be excused, including that of her abusers. what age that is is subjective, but i have a couple of reasons for thinking shes past that.
firstly, its not as though shes a stranger to other ways of thinking. she mentions that shes had experience with other people's views and opinions of her religion, she's not sheltered. and even though we cant teach her anything with our verdicts, the other prisoners can. just by being around people with other beliefs, if she was going to change, she would've started to by now. she's not going to change her beliefs.
secondly, her age itself. iirc kotoko says in a timeline that at that age, her beliefs were solidified too. at 12, my morals and beliefs were pretty much the same as now. like amane says, 12 year olds have free will. if she was like 6, then i can see why we should be lenient, but have you met a 12 year old? childrens personalities, empathy and beliefs are flexible, but this is the age where that all solidifies and you become who you are now.
all this to say i dont think she's capable of changing her beliefs any time soon, and i also think shes at the point that her actions are her own and she can't be excused by her indoctrination.
voting her innocent only solidifies her beliefs, making the problem worse. voting her guilty wont change her, but thats not what we're (well. im) trying to do. we're holding her accountable, the same way voting kotoko or muu guilty does. the goal isn't to torture her.
as for t2. the dilemma here is really shidou vs amane. vote them both innocent and he dies, vote her innocent and him guilty (to grant her wish and protect her) and he suffers from a guilty verdict. or vote her guilty and him innocent, and she suffers. the third option is what i wanted to happen. because i don't think its fair to shidou that he has to suffer for saving others, all because someone else is aiming to kill him. she is the one trying to kill him, im not gonna protect her at the cost of an innocent (in context to this situation, not his overall actions) mans life. im not gonna punish the victim just because i want amane not to suffer. this is one of the main reasons i voted amane guilty t2, because ideally the best option is everyone inno so no one suffers. but that wasn't gonna happen with amane's threat.
all in all, she still is a victim, but her being a victim to her cult and being at fault for her actions towards her mom + shidou are not mutually exclusive imo. and she doesn't deserve to be tortured the same way muu or kotoko dont, but a) we didnt know this would happen at the time and b) in amane's case, it was to stop her from killing someone else who didnt deserve to die.
Cause the discussion around her is so black and white, it kinda infuriates me???
There's the people who think she's the fucking devil himself, and there's people who think she's an angel who's done absolutely no wrong ever.
And.
Please
I beg of you
Both of you
Shut the fuck up
I'm going to die.
So let's get one thing out of the way before I continue
AMANE WAS, IS, AND FOREVER WILL BE A VICTIM.
Ok?
Everyone understand that?
Ok, good.
Now.
With that in mind.
I REALLY don't think Amane should have been voted "innocent" the second time around.
Listen.
I tried so hard to be on the inno side. And I held out hope, right?
Surely it's the right thing to do, she IS a kid afterall.
And she is!
And in all other circumstances, I think voting her innocent would be the right thing to do.
But here's the thing.
I think we fumbled the whole "What is the prisoner gonna take from this?" Aspect of Amane's trail.
I think we were so blinded by the abuse she's shown to suffer that we didn't really... THINK about what's actually going on in her head.
That sounds whack as fuck BUT LISTEN, RIGHT
HEAR ME THE FUCK OUT.
Since she was voted guilty the first time, the result was that cracks formed in her world view, and it began to shatter her mental health.
When she next spoke to us...
Amane was not presenting herself as just herself.
But rather as herself AND her religion.
SHE TELLS US THIS, EXPLICITLY
Even if it wasn't a case of "this is Amane and her alter" like Es said. Even if it's not REALLY her religion speaking to us.
She's speaking on BEHALF of the religion.
Do you understand what I'm saying here?
By voting Amane innocent, we didn't just deem HER innocent
We deemed her religion innocent.
And yes, the state she was in at the time was absolutely awful. But, as it stands. It was progress.
This voice drama wasn't a defense of her. It was a defense of her religion.
She was shaken, because who wouldn't be shaken after having their world view challenged?
And instead of being firm. Instead of saying "Your religion is flawed. You were abused."
We backpedaled because we felt bad for her.
And I went along with it because of the pressure on all sides... But now that we're seeing the results, I definitely don't think this was a good decision.
She's not taking her innocent verdict as
"I'm innocent because I'm a victim of abuse and my actions are justified"
She took her innocent verdict as.
"I'm innocent because my religion is correct, therefore my actions are justified"
HELL.
SHE EVEN SAYS THAT SHE'S GOING TO GO ON TO CONTINUE PRACTICING HER RELIGION IN THE START OF HER TRAIL 2 MUSIC VIDEO
She wasn't a depressed husk because we told her "You shouldn't have defended yourself. Your abuse was justified." She ALREADY thought her abuse was justified.
She was like that because we told her "Your world view is wrong. This religion isn't what you think it is. It's not sunshine and rainbows. This is abuse."
She was like that because we put cracks in her world view
Don't believe me?
Compare and contrast her music videos themselves.
Notice how the first is cutesy, sunshine, rainbows, the works?
Now look at the second one.
She's on the defense. And the cracks are starting to form.
Compared to the first video, where her "punishments" are shown in cute little montages, in the second video, we get raw, unfiltered glimpses into what she endured.
She was starting to see what her religion truly was.
And here's where I think we failed as voters.
We were so caught up in "She's a child! She's a victim! She didn't do anything wrong!"
That we COMPLETELY overlooked what was being judged in Amane's eyes.
We were so shell shocked as viewers, and we felt so sorry for her, the person, the child, we didn't see that in her eyes we were judging her faith.
Essentially.
We were SO blinded by our own morality...
That we ended up telling Amane that the cult that abused her was innocent, and that the abuse she suffered was justified.
We didn't tell her what she needed to be told
WE know she's a child. WE know she suffered abuse.
SHE didn't.
She needed to be told as much through a guilty verdict.
Basically
Our INTENDED message wasn't the RECIEVED message.
We did a complete 180°
I think, if we wanted to go the whole "she's innocent cause she's just a kid" route, we shouldve voted her innocent from the beginning, then kept going with the innocent verdict.
But it was too late for that, she was voted guilty, and our backpedaling did some real damage.
When she was voted guilty, she started to have cracks in her world view. She started to have doubts the religion was wrong. But then we backpedaled and told her it was right.
And instead of sticking with the "your religion is wrong" we turned it around.
While what we were SAYING is "you're not wrong for killing your abuser" what SHE HEARD was "Your religion is not wrong, the rule breakers needed to be punished"
SHE EVEN SAYS AS MUCH HERSELF
"I am thankful for the fact that you have forgiven me. For I was able to follow through with my faith due to such. And at the same time, I have also realized my mistakes."
So by voting her innocent, because in her mind we were judging her cult and not her. We accidentally told her that her abusers were right.
Does that make any sense?
Obviously in a traditional sense Amane is innocent.
But BY NO MEANS is this a traditional case!!!
The suspect on trial wasn't Amane but her religion.
We failed to see that.
And
We.
Fucking.
FUMBLED.
And because we told her that, blinded by her brainwashing, she's a victim, yes, but now she's a victim who's perpetuating the cycle of abuse.
And don't you DARE tell me she's not perpetuating the cycle.
People got hurt.
Shidou is obvious, but let's talk about Fuuta.
Obviously, Fuuta isn't dumb for falling victim to the cult and seeking comfort in religion after all he's been through.
But I think it's a bit stupid to say that he hasn't been brainwashed as well.
And I think it's REALLY stupid to say Amane is just... y'know okay for doing this?
She indicates in her new lines that her religion won't be flawed, because there won't be any who break the rules (or oppose her)
"I was mistaken. The religion I believed in was incomplete. That's why there were people who broke the rules. Those who opposed it. Milgram cannot be depended on either. In that case, I could just make it! My own original! Ahahahaha..! Hahahaha!”
If someone breaks the rules, she is most likely going to punish them like she was punished for breaking the rules. If someone opposes her religion, they'll die.
And thanks to us, she thinks that's okay
So in conclusion.
Y'ALL WE MISSED THE WHOLE ASS POINT OF AMANE'S TRAIL, AND NOW WE'RE PAYING THE FUCKING PRICE.
fuuta acted like a leader before milgram but he never really was, he was always a follower. he wanted to feel like he was accomplishing something and make the world a better but he was never brave enough to make real change, and that ideology became poisonous over time. he trusted his friends so much, only to be betrayed by them. fuuta is a coward, and amane is everything he wants to be.
kotoko probably used to be that: the ideal version of his justice, with the strength to act it out herself on targets who really deserved it. but then she turned against him and he started to question her views.
but amane? her views were also put down by es, but she never waivered. the voices didn't affect her, she was strong, and she acted out her justice herself. but even when she saw fuuta as weak, as someone who broke her doctrine, she offered to save him. she wasn't merciless like kotoko, she heard him out, and was willing to help him change for the better. amane was the only one who fuuta had. kazui and shidou were there for him, and at one point he was grateful to them, but they didn't understand what he was going through and were probably too busy to sit down and listen.
it was either he suffer alone with the unbearable voices, hated by the one person who was there for him because he declined her invitation, or he follow her. try to improve himself to be someone that doesn't deserve this suffering. to be saved. he didn't decide this for himself, his brain did. because what else was he supposed to do?
im fuuta's age, and i obviously havent suffered as much as him, but i have suffered. and if i was offered a way to be saved by someone going through the same thing as me, who its clearly working for, id say yes too. he's not naive for doing whats best for him, what saves him from his suffering.
