Hi I am Hffghhf and this is my blog where I post about and reblog the things I like or are interested in! I do rant sometimes as well!
Media I like: Vocaloid, Evillious Chronicles, The Magnus Archives, The Magnus Protocol, Starkid specifically Hatchetfield, Alien Stage, Milgram Project, Marionetta, Hooky, Black Magic, and so many other things that I can’t list now.
" if ever again I find you ranting as you do now, then let Odysseus’ head stand no longer on his shoulders, nor may I still be called the father of Telemachos, if I don’t take hold of you and strip off your very clothes, your cloak and tunic that conceal your private parts, and send you wailing to the swift ships, after being flogged round the assembly with shameful blows.”
damn how are you gonna piss odysseus off this bad im laughing
The way adult fandom people hold indie online creators and cartoons to a much higher standard than their actual local politicians. You could be putting that energy into terrorizing and protesting conservatives at your town hall and actually make a good material impact on the world but instead you're background checking everything the trans woman who made the amazing digital circus has ever said
The point isn't "stop criticizing indie artists" or "defend your favorite show under this post". I don't even watch Digital Circus and no one is above criticism. Literally every indie show is getting torn to shreds on twitter right now and I'm not saying this to defend anyone I don't know. The point is "someone who actually has the power to kill us all and get away with it deserves way more ire and accountability than a cartoonist and I expect grown adults to understand this"
You can't really blame amane. She was punished before for helping the cat, she got the doctrine literally BEAT INTO HER, of course in a situation where she has to choose between breaking the rules or staying loyal to the doctrine she's going to choose the latter. If she can just let the adults break the rules she literally was tortured for breaking with no consequence then to her it would mean her suffering was for nothing, that her loyality to the doctrine was for nothing.
Fandom old here, been in fandom since I was 13 and I'm not in my early thirties. In regards to the Beta and Writer conversation I have been seeing on your dashboard as of late, I wanted to say that Fanfiction.Net actually had the ingenious idea a long time ago to make a list of beta readers. What you did was you filled out a beta-editor profile and your fandoms that you were willing to do. They still have it up. The issue is that Archive of Our Own Does *not* have this. There's no official list of active beta readers or what fandoms they will do publically. Instead, most beta readers that I have found are in fandom discord servers. Tumblr doesn't give enough traction to do a beta reader call because everyone posts and can get lost in the feed. That helps no one, not the writer and certainly not the beta whose looking for someone to help.
The other issue that I am seeing is that there was a unspoken yet quite loud rule that betas were people who wished to be editors one day and just like many of us on fanfiction were hoping to become writers or were going to go into English Degrees, understood that we had to practice for our own rejection. So basically, rejective sensitivity didn't exist for us because the betas were in as much practice as we were. This is their craft as much as writing was ours. Now there were bad betas, don't get me wrong. But you knew a bad beta from a good one.
Now, I don't know about everyone else's school. But in my high school we were taught how to give criticism. Art and English teachers used to make us grade each other's art and grade each other's essays long before the teacher ever got a hold of them. We had a rubic to follow in English to help us, and for art...that could get brutal. Big time. You didn't get a I'm afraid. We got "oh god, she's going to hate it and I'm going to be re-writing this again" because English teachers back in my day gave back essays and told you to re-write it. You had four drafts before you could turn in a "final". I don't know how classes are run now, but this is another huge problem that I am seeing.
So, how does this work in fandom etiquette today? I don't think anyone really wants a "beta", they want assurance. Every time I see "it's my writing style" I leave because I already know they didn't want me to edit and it wasn't a writing style they just don't know how to break the rules properly. Betas can help you break grammar rules *properly*, because that's their craft. They know the rules therefore they know how to bend them, break them, and make them theirs. Writers, we should know how to do that too, but they know it better. Let them have it. Let them know what really is a writing style because if it's just insecurity, guess what? Here's the tough truth: you either get a beta and you enhance your writing and you learn how to hone your craft to be a better writer or you don't. And the problem is that you can get better if you don't. A beta isn't a have to...but a beta can make you get better faster. You'll be getting better slower especially with lack of engagement on fics on AO3 if you don't. Which is a valid way to go. And a whole other ask/blog entirely. Editors and writers go hand in hand, betas aren't an enemy you fight. People who are afraid of the red pen weren't afraid because of the mistakes they made, it was once more going to the typewriter and figuring out how to make it *better*.
idk how old this person is, but i'm 40, so at the very least not that young.
I used to be in a "brutal criticism" writing environment when I was ~18. what it did was kill my desire and ability to write, and I didn't get it back until I got into fandom and met people who approached my writing with warmth and a desire to help me learn.
a brutal criticism can feel satisfying to make or read. it is not actually better in improving a story than a gently phrased "hey the thing you did has X effect, is that what you meant to do?"
"when I was young we didn't have rejection sensitivity!" or maybe all the rejection sensitive people were driven out of the writing circles you were in. maybe you'd prefer that. I don't.
I am a fandom old, been in fandom since I was 13 and I'm 42 next month. I used to write a writing advice column on fanfiction.net (I was fifteen and my only qualifications were I wanted to do it) and while yes it was more common to have a beta reader at the time, it was also well known that there are different kinds of betas, and what anon describes was often not called a beta at all but an edit. A beta reader was there to tell you if you misspelled the character's name or forgot a piece of lore, or if you had used a word incorrectly, or if this fic had the emotional impact you intended. A beta reader has never been primarily about harsh criticism, and anon is the kind of beta reader I would have shrugged off as "not really interested in fandom."
I’m mid twenties, so younger than the others here, but I just wanted to add — I went to college for creative writing, and was required to take both editing and general workshop classes (which were taught by published authors, so people who had gone through this process professionally themselves) where I was also taught how to give criticism, and what anon is describing is not what I was taught. What the reblogs are describing is much much more in line with my experience. You can be honest with your criticism without being brutal. Making people feel bad about their writing is not going to encourage them to keep trying to get better. My professors emphasized this a lot in my workshop classes, and made it clear that they would step in if they thought things were getting too aggressive or cruel. That never actually had to happen in my classes, I think because everyone there was getting workshopped at some point and knew how anxiety inducing it was to put yourself on display like that, so we all had a mutual respect and care for each other during critiques.
In workshop we were taught to detail what worked for us as a reader vs what didn’t (or what wasn’t clear, or what took us out of the story, etc), not what was “right” vs “wrong” or “good” vs “bad.” Creative writing is an art form, and art is inherently subjective — there were times in workshop where I would critique something that one of my fellow students really liked and felt worked, or vice versa. Sometimes we’d suggest something be cut, only for the author to explain their intentions which would change the conversation to okay, how do we help them work that in better? The professors also always made it clear that the student being workshopped was not required to implement everything being suggested. The main point of workshop was to help the author see their work from the perspective of their reader, which in turn could help tailor their edits moving forward. However, sometimes that’s not what their goals for the piece were. Sometimes it is just a stylistic choice that they prefer, and that is their right. It doesn’t make the piece inherently bad - you personally just might not be the target audience for it.
And even with copy editing, which I think is more in line with what anon was describing, where you’re focusing more on grammar and phrasing and the “little things”: your goal is still to preserve the author’s intentions and narrative voice as best as you can. And again, the author doesn’t have to use your edits. I can flag something as clunky and suggest a rewrite, and they don’t have to make that change if they feel it serves the intended purpose as is. That’s not necessarily insecurity or a refusal to improve, that is them making a stylistic choice that they feel suits their piece better. At the end of the day, they are going to know their piece better than you, and it is going to mean more to them than it does to you, and the author-editor relationship only works if you respect that (just as they respect you enough to seek and hear out your critiques and understand that it’s not personal).
On that note, some of the experiences anon seems to be drawing from appear to be very academia-focused, and I think that’s an important distinction to make because editing for academic writing is very, very different than editing for creative writing. In academia, the rules do matter a lot more. You’re writing for a different audience, and the focus is much more on the material/content rather than a unique voice/writing style. The goal is to become invisible as a writer to avoid distracting from the content (I was taught that you shouldn’t use first or second person at all in academia for this reason). Stylistic flourishes and grammatical rule breaking aren’t going to fit. That is what a high school teacher sending an essay back covered in red marks is going to be looking at. In creative writing, you typically want your voice to stand out more and leave an impression. You’re trying to paint a picture and evoke emotions and inspire reactions rather than presenting and analyzing information. It gives you a lot more stylistic freedom, and that’s something you take into account when editing.
And then on top of that, as a final note, fandom and fanfic is not professional writing, creative or otherwise. It something that is done for free and for fun, and there are many times that the target audience for a fic is one singular person: the person who wrote it. Not everyone wants to be a writer outside of fanfic, not everyone is training to become less sensitive to rejection - a good many authors are just playing with characters and ideas for the fun of it. That is also something to be taken into account when editing. I have a friend who beta reads my fics for me, and what I’m looking for in those interactions is basically to find out if what I’m saying makes sense, and if she has the intended reaction to it. It is much, much less in depth than what I would expect from a full workshop on one of my pieces, or from someone copy editing them. Again, that’s not me being insecure or not wanting to improve as a writer, that is me not wanting a fixation on “honing my craft” to take over what is essentially my playtime. There are other times where I’m focused on improvement (and I do feel that improvement happens with everything you write on some level), but that’s not my goal with fanfic.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to what an author is looking for in a beta/editor — there isn’t a one-size-fits-all. Some people do seek out brutality without emotion in their betas/editors, and if it works for them, that’s great! But that’s not the standard, and it’s not something that’s going to help most people.
WAH HEY BEANS!! okay so i was looking at the plushies and merch again and i suddenly had a thought
in LCSyS, what are their thoughts on like merch?? i have no idea if you've mentioned this before and if so i am silly.
i can totally see fuuta go OH NO IVE BEEN TURNED A MARKETABLE PLUSHIE
YES AHAHAHA I love that!! This is for the gone-public variation of the au
This made me realize the wide range of official merch, plus I think a lot of them would love supporting artists once they're out and have access to the internet again lol. Overall I think the plushies would cause the biggest stir around the facility 😂 I mention bootleg merch, like when you have random companies making weird/ugly knockoffs -- I don't think real Milgram has that but it was a fun idea for the story lmao
Haruka isn’t used to having his own image on so many things. The others are really sweet about taking care of his plushie and doing kind things for it to boost his own confidence (although there was One Singular Moment of jealousy where his tiny counterpart was getting more attention than himself and needed to be talked down lol) He and Muu have plushies of each other that they’ll plan cute matching outfits/accessories with.
Yuno loves her own plushie, and is excited to share it with Yura. She takes really good care of all the plushies she has, and they genuinely bring her warmth, especially post-milgram when they all separate <3 She (or maybe Mikoto, I haven’t decided) gets only the weirdest/most concerning buttons on her personal bag. She loves her Borderline Suicidal Fuuta, Crazed Bug Muu, Grieving In A Hospital Shidou, Rats Mahiru, and so on. She asks Amane for permission to add Waterboarding Button to her collection. For her more public displays, she likes the aesthetic things from the anniversaries and birthday art. She loved those days of dressing up for the photoshoots, so they carry nice memories as well as being super cute.
(I tagged you in the art I thought of, but yeah,) Fuuta puts up a big act about how weird and capitalistic it is to have merch of oneself, how plushies are “for kids,” and also how ugly/skrunkly his t2 one looks... His refusal to interact with it only makes the others interact with his more. I can see some of the prisoners (*cough* yuno *cough*) carrying around their Little Fuuta and sharing full conversations and activities while he looks on in horror. In the end, he caves in order to set a good example for Amane, and keeps a few in his room. He never admits that he also gets really attached >:3 Another secret -- he likes using the special bluetooth headphones. He thinks they look cool and the voices are a fun touch, but he’d never dare tell the others.
Muu has one of those really aesthetic merch bags where she keeps buttons, plushies, stickers, keychains etc. She has a little something for every prisoner, but there are definitely a few who have some shameless favoritism… Once out of Milgram, she makes a lot of social media posts focused just on the plushies in different locations and outfits. She keeps them in pristine condition, caring a lot for them.
Shidou gives the plushies to his kids, and the prisoners laugh/brag about which one each child chose as their favorite. (I also like to imagine the conversations Shidou must have with strangers: “aww your daughter is so sweet! Who do you got there, honey? Aw, you’re squeezing ‘em real tight! Is that your favorite disney princess or something?” “Ah, that’s a little doll version of the divorced cop who lives a few streets over. In a prison uniform.” “O.oh…?”) He likes adding stickers to his tech, using some of the cases, and thinks the album covers look nice to display.
Mahiru goes crazy over the plushies. She sews little mv outfits for all of them, alternate outfits, and other accessories to hand out. She starts planning on making custom plushies for other people – her bf, Hinako, Shidou’s family, Lucky, etc. She was genuinely upset by how sad her T2 plush looks, thinking no one will love it – Jackalope breaks his experiment-long internet ban only once to sit with her and scroll through pictures that people had posted of them treating the plush kindly because of her looks. Also, even though they broke up, she excitedly shows her bf the buttons that feature the two of them 😅
Kazui already has a lot of records/CDs collected, and he makes a really nice display of all the albums for his wall. The other prisoners love gifting him bootleg merch of his own videos – tshirts and things from random companies that are juuust off somehow. (I have no clue about her sense of humor, but maybe one day Hinako wears one of the Cat marriage buttons like “I got married and traumatically divorced and all I got was this this stupid button)
Amane would have tried to match Fuuta acting too cool for the plushies… if it weren’t for every single other person absolutely fawning over them. She can admit to loving them and carries a different one to set with her each day, treating them kindly and dressing them up with Mahiru. She also enjoys adding stickers to her notebooks and things, they end up completely covered by the time the later mvs come out. At the very end of the experiment, she ends up using merch to cover up the old cult stickers on her backpack.
Mikoto owns the most of his own merch, claiming “it’s John :)” (and then John points to the same things claiming “it’s Mikoto :)”). They each have a T1/T2 plushie to carry around, though they end up like that Garfield "to be loved is to be changed" plush -- they really go everywhere. Mikoto gets those anniversary art shirts with the prisoner’s face taking up the whole center, and wears it to each of their mv shooting sessions, much to their embarrassment. He owns a lot of the stands to keep on his desk while he works, using them for rubber-ducking when needed. He posts I feed him rocks.
Kotoko prefers the more general things when she goes out, feeling like it’s odd to show off the other’s faces out in public. (They claim they’re famous anyway, but she insists you can never be too careful.) So she wears a lot with the main milgram logo/inno and guilty symbol/Jackalope/etc. In her personal space, though, she has a ton of the others’ things, and tries to play down how much she really likes the plushies :3 When Mahiru’s finished with it, she’s excited to show Lucky both of theirs.
Everyone owns a lot of Es merch. They try to be subtle about it post-reveal and not overwhelm their poor guard, but it comes out eventually and does scare them just a bit. 😅 Later, Es really enjoys having something of each of the prisoners close even when everyone goes back to their lives.
sorryf im being mentally ill about hallucination event right now SO in the LCSyS au, would there be something like it :o? Like after all of it's over or something, how crazy would it be if Jackalope tried to get them all together just to do one last concert?
Never apologize for being mentally ill about Milgram content 😌👍 We are all in it together 😔👍I'm combining this answer with a reply to @kikithedeceiver (and spiraling out of control from both)
I've had a lot of ideas about the project being public in LCSyS, but was holding off including it for few reasons – the audience’s voices would conflict with Es as their own character. Knowing the public was watching would change the way the prisoners acted (even if they thought they were acting natural). It’s a long time that the families would have to deal with the public knowing about their loved one’s almost-crime. I also like the idea of this au ending with the prisoners returning to very normal lives.
Buuuuut it is such a fun idea, and popularity seems an essential part of an actors au. So, I’m not naming this as canon, but here’s a pitch if you liked that idea and wanted to run with it :3
The team doesn’t tell the participants that they’ve been recording/collecting certain material to release. If a translation is left out by accident, the prisoners just assume it’s for a foreign team member – they have no idea how close/far Milgram reaches.
The third trial begins. The prisoners are inside the prison, and on the final stretch of the trials. On the outside, Jackalope contacts families for signatures to release the material publicly. The team thought about censoring names and things, but seeing current fans’ investigation skills, they knew it was a matter of time before they put pieces together anyway. This may be super illegal but for the sake of the story I’ll say that family consent is enough lmao.
Some of them are easy to convince to sign off on everything, since it can raise awareness for their loved one’s struggles. Muu’s family takes the longest, as it would risk ruining their reputation. (They’re only swayed because it truly is a great opportunity to show off Muu’s talents for those modeling scouts, and she didn’t actually kill anyone in the end.) Kazui’s family refuses to release his info, but Hinako uses sway with her marital status to sign off instead (I pictured things happening fast enough where she hasn’t gotten an official divorce yet). Hinako still struggles with what he did, but she thinks he’s doing something incredibly brave now. I’m not 100% sure what’s going through Amane’s father’s mind, but if the murder really was in line with the cult’s beliefs, maybe he believes that Amane will be be a shining representation of their religion. He wants to show her off as their little golden child.
The experiment is published in its current form: music videos, voice dramas, timeline conversations, interrogation questions, etc. It’s brought to more than just science/psychology circles, though. Jackalope has no shame in marketing it as entertainment, hence the stockholders mentioned. He assures the sociologists that this will be a major breakthrough for them. He tells music labels he's got the new hit thing for them. He leans into the excitement of releases and merchandise in the hopes of gaining attention for the experiment. Needless to say, it works. Even though the audience has no sway over Es’ decisions, they are encouraged to make decisions for themselves on what they would judge each prisoner. There’s the same types of theory/analysis/discourse posts passed around.
When the trials end, the prisoners are released into the world to find they’re famous. Instead of trudging back to their lives feeling that society hates them, they find tons of adoring fans telling them how much they understand and forgive them. Even if their final verdict was guilty, they have hundreds of voices assuring them that they are loved. That they are not alone. This attention really helps Haruka, Amane, (and maybe Es) who don’t have a good home to go back to. Not only can they reenter society, they are welcomed with open arms. They are looked after and showered in love. Some of the adults realize they want to use this popularity to lead the charge of social change. They create/support projects meant to help people who are facing their struggles.
And of course, there’s the other type of fame as well. Yuno loves answering fanmail and turning her karaoke hobby into a music career. Kazui goes from a life of feeling rejected and disgusting to scrolling through comments upon comments of men oogling him. Mahiru gets offers from fashion magazines and blogs to write up sections about self-love. Amane gets to live out her dream of being a performer, hinted at in her first two mvs. Fuuta is flustered by all the positive attention his appearance/voice is getting. Mikoto… well, I just wish him luck when he opens tiktok…
Which brings us to the live event! The prisoners have tried to keep in touch while adjusting to their new lives as almost-murderers-turned-idols. They’re amazed at how well-recieved the trial songs were. Those were some of their most personal, shameful secrets, and people relate to them? People love singing them?? People want a concert featuring them??? Jackalope encourages them to get together for one last encore. Some are thrilled with the opportunity, others are still nervous about the whole thing. Some think it’s in poor taste, that Jackalope is milking them for entertainment. But with a bit of conversing amongst themselves, they realize they all want a chance to sing like that again, and see each other in one place again. (It’s ironic because in my head Mahiru is the one to convince everyone to come ;--;)
It’s strange putting on the uniforms again. Es is unsure about putting on their guard’s cloak. But the minute they stop onstage, they’re met with wild applause. They can sing their fears and dreams to a huge crowd and see in real time how it’s reaching others. They hear the cheers after each song. They hear that it’s streamed all over the world. All of them have an absolute blast, and pour their heart and soul into their performances.
Non-Demonium is the actual Hanako song I just wanted to draw Purge March + Umbilical is actually probably the better song for Alice but I was already drawing Amane Hanako I wanted to draw Shidou Alice despite the fact that Hanako is actually Shidou and Alice is actually Amane. Fascinating things happening here
I think there's a lot to be said about how well they designed Amane's parents. It was in a way where she clearly had features fron both but most favored her mother. I think this is interesting as it serves to highlight how easy it would have been for Amane to be in her mother's position and her mother to be the one in Milgram. Like it really highlights how e8ther of them could have been the one standing over the others body in the end in a very striking way. Even the flashes from Amane hitting her to her mother hitting Amane. It's just done quite well.