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Au where Tartah becomes a silverwood host, not to cure his sliverwash, but to better understand what's happening to Custas in the hopes of finding a cure, only to be so overwhelmed with relief and happiness after he does save Custas that he turns into a tree himself.
WHA anime pushing the arkco and olrufrey agendas so hard. They better keep this energy up when we get to animating the custah chapters.
Let the herbalists cook
My personal favorite panels from WHA chapters 18/19 that I can't wait to see animated tomorrow!!
So I’ve been watching Witch Hat Atelier and I’ve seen some people talk about how they feel Tartah’s alienation from the witching world doesn’t make a lot of sense and I want to put in my two cents.
So, Tartah is completely grey scale colorblind, he can’t see any colors, and because of this he cannot become a witch. In the show it’s stated that this is because witchcraft relies heavily on vision and that he would be unable to use the magic dyes or properly tell apart different inks.
Some people are saying this doesn’t make sense as a reason to completely bar him from being a witch as so far every spell we’ve seen has not been reliant on the color of the ink, and that while he may not be able to perform, or it would be more difficult for him to perform, those complex, high level spells, that involve dye, that shouldn’t be a reason to not let him become a witch altogether. And so the explanation for why he can’t be a witch feels incomplete and like it’s not a good enough reason.
And I think that’s true, it shouldn’t bar him from being a witch but I don’t think that’s necessarily the point as to why he can’t be a witch. The way I view it, it’s like any other prejudice. They don’t hate him because he’s colorblind per se, they hate him because he’s different. The hate comes first, the excuse comes later.
A real life example would be that, there are some people who get mad about transgender people in sports because of a “biological advantage”. And while it is true that on average men are stronger then women, most sports do not rely on pure strength, and even if they did, it is illogical to apply an average to an individual person. Just because on average men are stronger than women, doesn’t mean that every man is stronger than every woman. But the thing about this argument is that they don’t care if the argument doesn’t hold up under scrutiny because the “biological advantage” is not why they hate transgender people, it’s just the excuse they use to try and justify that hate. The excuse could be anything, they just needed a reason for their hate to seem rational.
And this is a common pattern among all prejudices. When people hate irrationally, they try and twist it to make it seem rational. That’s what I think is happening with Tartah. The other witches don’t really care if he can perform some magic, because the stuff about not being able to work with dyes doesn’t really matter to them, it’s just the excuse they grasped on to. If they really cared about that, then they would do what Coco and Nolnoa do, try and find ways to make it easier for Tartah. Sure it would be harder for Tartah to be a witch, but they’ve shown that it is possible for Tartah to be able to work with dyes. Whether it’s reverse engineering what’s in them, or labeling them, or memorization systems, there are ways that Tartah can work around his color blindness. The show has shown that it was never his color blindness that’s held him back from being a witch, it was the prejudice of the other witches.
Okay now that we're just a few days off from Euini's first anime appearance, what kinda accent do you guys think the dub will give him? I'm leaning towards british rn since most of the other characters from the Great Hall like Agott and Qifrey have British accents 👀
A spin-off series called Brimmed Hat Atelier with Tartah and Custas as the MCs. In which those poor boys are trying to survive whatever counts as apprenticeship for Brimmed Cap witches
This, but it's also specifically based on Witch Hat Atelier Kitchen so instead of getting any actual forbidden magic stuff it's Tartah & Custas trying to survive meals made by Restys & Iguin
Witch Hat au where everything is the same except witches have their own language.
Most kids that live in the Great Hall learn it as their first language, then learn English (or "outsider") later in life when they're nearing apprentice age (like between 4-6 years old) so they can communicate with nonwitches.
Coco comes to the Atelier knowing absolutely 0 witch, and when the others realize they all add "teaching Coco witch terms/words" into their daily routines.
Tetia is especially happy to play teacher, even going out of her way to explain her favorite words and phrases in witch to Coco.
Agott finds herself surprisingly gentle and patient when explaining words to Coco, rarely getting annoyed with her lack of understanding and weirdly enjoying the personal time she gets to spend with her— along with the starry-eyed look in Coco's eyes whenever she learns something new.
Richeh will explain words and terms as they come up, typically ones she herself often uses, but rarely goes out of her way to teach Coco to the same extent Tetia and Agott do.
Some more ideas my friend helped me come up with I wanted to add to my og post:
- witches from more rural cities like Kalha that have to interact more with outsiders raise their children bilingual from birth rather than waiting a few years like witches from the Great Hall
- Great Hall witches tend to speak more "proper/traditional" witch while rural witches speak in a more casual "dirty/informal" version with their own accent(s) and incorporating more outsider terms/slang
- being mostly fluent in outsider would be a requirement for kids before they can take the first test, since they'll need to be able to interact with outsiders while helping their master
- the witch's language was developed post-pact so witches would be able to communicate with each other in front of outsiders without accidentally spilling the magic secret, and eventually became a common first language due to witches isolating themselves from nonwitches
Witch Hat au where everything is the same except witches have their own language.
Most kids that live in the Great Hall learn it as their first language, then learn English (or "outsider") later in life when they're nearing apprentice age (like between 4-6 years old) so they can communicate with nonwitches.
Coco comes to the Atelier knowing absolutely 0 witch, and when the others realize they all add "teaching Coco witch terms/words" into their daily routines.
Tetia is especially happy to play teacher, even going out of her way to explain her favorite words and phrases in witch to Coco.
Agott finds herself surprisingly gentle and patient when explaining words to Coco, rarely getting annoyed with her lack of understanding and weirdly enjoying the personal time she gets to spend with her— along with the starry-eyed look in Coco's eyes whenever she learns something new.
Richeh will explain words and terms as they come up, typically ones she herself often uses, but rarely goes out of her way to teach Coco to the same extent Tetia and Agott do.
My opinion about Tartah discourse is let people be angry. I think Tartah is a wronged party, but he also wronged Coco. Hurt people can hurt other people too. Depending on their experiences, one can relate more to one side or another.
For someone who was never experienced Tartah side of the story but do have something outed forcefully similar to Coco, it hurt. I disliked Tartah for that act despite really liking him before. And it's fine. People are angry with Agott after the 1st test, angry at Qifrey after ch 40, I am angry at Oru after ch 93 - as the story progress those feelings will change - because WHA is such a story that provokes such thoughts and emotions. (1/2)
I do agree with you for the most part. It's okay for people to dislike Tartah, he violated Coco in a way that clearly hurt her and the framing of the scene made it very clear that Tartah was not in the right during the interaction. While it's clear to me that he was not intentionally being malicious, that doesn't negate the pain he caused with his actions.
People have a right to not like him after a scene like that, especially with it being his last appearance within the manga up until this point. I have never had to deal with a situation like Coco & Tartah's personally, and I cannot police how other people feel about his character. I just want people to keep an open mind about him, and remember that he isn't a villain as much as he is another victim of the same situation lashing out in a way that's hurting both himself and someone he considers a friend. He's a morally grey child, and I hope the people who don't like him now still choose to keep an open mind with him as he returns to the main story, rather than completely write him off as unforgivable based on a single bad moment.
My only issue with your opinion is in the second part of your message, and I will admit that it might be a little on the nit picky side.
"I think he did wrong in that confrontation. Why confronting Coco (formerly Outsider who knows less than him) but not Ininia who experimented on Coustas at the first place? He is punching down. Angry at one who was as powerless as he is - but he could as easily force the truth spell at Ininia and ask question. But he did not.
He could ask Coco nicely, after everything was over. He could focus more on Coustas - who just tree-d, but he didn't. He focused more on his own hurt that he did not think about Coustas, Coco, those in the Healing Spire - or even his grandpa. I am angry at him, but also curious where his story is going.
And that's fine. (2/2)"
While Coco was the wrong person for him to lash out at at the time, I can see why he might choose to go after her rather than Ininia for a reason that isn't just him "punching down" at another victim.
Throughout the story, Tartah has confided a lot in Coco. When they met, she was another outsider who showed him kindness and helped him regain his love for magic, and in return he shared a lot with her despite his growing trust issues. He trusted her enough to let her know about him studying herbology with Custas, despite the fact she could easily turn him into the Knight's Moralis for studying medicine as a witch, and he trusted her with his doubts in the Pointed Cap system.
He not only views Coco as an equal, but as a friend. He's doubting the entire society his life has been built around, but he's trusting her. And unlike the reader, he doesn't know that Qifrey only told Coco about the Silverwood maybe 10 minutes ago. As far as he knows, this is a secret that Qifrey told her a long time ago and she didn't tell him about it. As far as he knows, the girl who he's told all his secrets to has known that their friend would be hurt like this from the moment they found out he was a brimmed cap, and just didn't tell him.
It's also to note that Tartah's first appearance in chapter 87 is standing with Ininia, and it's presumed that she's the one that told him about the Silverwood as by the time he first talks to Coco, he already has some level of understanding about what's happening. There's no need for him to force the truth seal onto her because she already told him what he needed to know without it.
From that perspective, I wouldn't say it's crazy for him to feel the need to be upset with Coco rather than Ininia. Unlike with Ininia, who has always been antagonistic towards him, Coco was a friend. She was someone he trusted. It's one thing to be betrayed by someone you only ever knew as a terrible person, and it's another to be betrayed by someone you trusted— especially when you already lack trust in those around you.
Yes, he could have just calmed down and asked Coco once everything was over, and I'm sure that if he did do that she would have told him without the need for the truth seal. But he's young, hurt and he feels betrayed. He's not thinking rationally, he's thinking that his best friend (almost) died and his other best friend has been keeping a major secret from him for who knows how long. He makes a rash decision, he hurts a loved one, he chooses to abandon the society that has continuously abandoned him at every turn. He's not meant to be in the right, but he's not the villain either.
they’re so cute. if qifrey ever finds out tartah’s distrust in him is one of the main reasons he ended up with the brimmed caps he’d never recover i think
I’ve recently been seeing a lot of discourse about WHA ch87 and Tartah’s actions. I am not here to talk about anything in relation to that discussion on here, mostly because I feel I have nothing to add to it that hasn’t already been stated by others, so I’d instead like to talk about my own interpretation of that scene, along with a general discussion about the events of the Silver Eve arc and how I think several aspects of that arc are going to affect Coco’s character and the story as a whole moving forwards.
As many people within the fandom have pointed out, the story of Witch Hat Atelier is very strongly moving in a direction that will force Coco to choose between the Brimmed Caps point of view or the Pointed Caps’, and she will chose neither in favor of finding a 3rd option that does not fully align with either of the current main factions of witches. This foreshadowing is probably its clearest during chapters 37 & 38, where Coco is presented with the options of returning to the Great Hall or moving forwards towards the Tower of Tomes, to which she chooses to instead fly straight forwards so she could save Qifrey instead. But, to know to pick neither option of the Witch society, Coco first needs to see the harm caused by both sides.
We see the harm caused by the Brimmed Caps very explicitly throughout the beginning of the story. In fact, the harm caused by the Brimcaps and forbidden magic is something Coco faces firsthand all the way back in chapter 1 when she accidentally draws the petrification spell and loses her mother. She’s later again faced directly with the effects of forbidden magic when she sees what the Brimcaps have done to Euini during the Second Pentagram Test Arc. By the time we start the Silver Eve arc, Coco is intimately familiar with the negative effects of forbidden magic and has developed a rightful distrust towards the Brimmed Caps as a whole.
On the other hand, Coco’s knowledge of the harm caused by the Pointed Caps is much more abstract. Leading up to Silver Eve, it’s Tartah who’s engaging with a more critical view of Witch society and sharing his perspective with Coco. Because unlike Coco, Tartah has an intimate knowledge of the negative effects Witch society has and an abstract knowledge of the harm caused by the Brimmed Caps. Through him, we the readers begin to get a clearer view of how the Pointed Caps can cause just as much harm as their brimmed counterparts. They restrict knowledge, they do not properly accommodate others, and they have a strong black and white view on Forbidden magic with no account for situational nuances. Unfortunately, due to her prior personal experiences with Forbidden magic, Coco continues to cling to the Pointed Cap system because she does not see another option. Her empathy towards Tartah and her acknowledgement of his views can only go so far because, from her perspective, the Pointed Caps are still a better option than the Brimmed Caps.
When talking to my IRL friend about it, they brought up a great parallel between Coco’s situation and Olruggio’s harmless fire from chapter 43. While Coco has heard about and seen how the rules put in place by the Pointed Caps have harmed people like Tartah and Euini, empathy can only go so far in understanding. Just like how no matter how much you tell kids that real fire is dangerous, if they’ve only ever known the safe fire they won’t understand the danger until they’re burned. If Coco only ever hears about how the Pointed Caps harm others, she won’t be able to understand until it affects her directly. By the time we get to the Silver Eve arc, Coco has not been personally affected by the Pointed Cap system, at least not to the extent that Tartah has. Likewise, Tartah has not been personally victimized by Forbidden magic the way Coco has.
Over the course of Silver Eve, Coco finally gets to see a real firsthand perspective of the other side. She sees the direct effects of gatekeeping magic from Custas, and she watches multiple members of the Knight’s Moralis ignore the situational nuances in favor of maintaining the status quo, from Galga attacking Dagda without question on the basis of having Forbidden magic written on his body (ch55) to Easthies attacking any witch in his path to prevent to use of the counter clock seal’s use, despite the lives it saved (ch79).
But for Tartah, these scenes act more to reassure his own views against Pointed Cap society. He was right not to trust them, because now from his point of view, all the Pointed Caps have ever done is restrict him, harm his relationship with Custas, and attack innocent people indiscriminately. Where Coco’s doubts towards the Pointed Caps has worsened, Tartah’s distrust of them has been validated, and these two perspectives finally come to a head during chapter 87.
To be able to fully understand the harm that is caused by the Pointed Caps the same way she understands the harm caused by the Brimmed Caps, Coco needs to feel the personal effects of perpetuating the cycle of abuse the system causes. That is not to say she deserves to have her autonomy violated by Tartah and the truth seal, nor is it to blame her for the abuse inflicted upon her. Both Coco and Tartah are victims in this situation, and both perpetuating the cycle of abuse onto each other. By hiding the truth of Custas’ condition from Tartah, Coco unintentionally harms him the same way the Pointed Caps did, and by forcing Forbidden magic onto Coco, Tartah unintentionally harms her the same way the Brimmed Caps did. Neither of them has any malicious intent towards the other, but because they both continue to go along with the systems that have harmed them both they end up harming each other in the same way.
Neither Coco, nor Tartah will ever be happy if they continue to perpetuate these cycles. They’ve both seen firsthand how either side can cause harm, they’ve both felt the effects of harm from their respective sides, and they have both acted as those systems to cause harm upon each other. Coco cannot fully side with the Pointed Caps the same way she cannot side with the Brimmed Caps, because she now knows the direct harm that both sides can cause. From this point forwards, Coco cannot simply choose one side as “correct” and live in ignorance, she HAS to find a middle ground between these two extremes, because she understands how it feels to harm someone and have harm inflicted upon herself.
If you’d like to further discuss these ideas and topic, I kindly direct you over to my asks! If not, any form of interaction with my post is greatly appreciated!
First day of pride month and we're starting strong with the WHA hetbait episode
I REALLY hope they don't remove Qifrey putting his cloak over Tartah at the end of tomorrow's episode. It's such a small, adorable moment that shows you that despite his gaslighting, Qifrey DOES genuinely care about him. Qifrey isn't just a dad to the Qiflings, he acts like a dad to all the child characters he's met so far in the story.
Ugh, Qifrey and Tartah my favorite unrequited father son relationship. I'll never shut up about you.
Back on my Tartah-as-qifrey's-apprentice bullshit and I'm just considering like - Qifrey takes Tartah in and he's the first with who doesn't say oh it's too hard to teach someone like that and doesn't boil him down to his disability and what he can't do, and for the first time Tartah has someone who BELIEVES in him
But then things start happening and Tartah is clever and a bit of him has always believed that this sort of thing is too good to be true, and now Qifrey's not just a witch out there who's solidifying for him that their society is rotten and full of liars, but he's fundamentally betraying Tartah on a deeper level
I think that would be juicy af
Can't wait for the brim Tartah design to release so I can finally learn whether they serve because they're brims or they're brims because they serve
Ship name for Richeh x Euini is ribbonwolf
