Once again, this is SIDE blog so I can't follow you back! Also I am an unapologetic lover of Tony Stark in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I'm okay with you not feeling the same, just DON'T come over here on MY blog and start trashing him or you'll be on BLOCK faster than you can say ARC REACTOR!
And let's get something straight here people, I am NOT a HE! I am in fact a SHE!
P.S. I also love Pepper Potts.
You gotta love how Rogers was worried about "innocents" here but didn't really care about them later just because some kind of authority body wanted to oversee the Avengers!
Can people please STOP acting like Doctor Doom has always been in the MCU when he hasn't? He's literally their backup plan after Kang fell through! *eye roll*
james gunn writing a script where superman is anti isreal, extremely supportive of a free palestine, pro immigrant, anti ice, anti billionaire AND falling for lois at first sight???? OH HE KNOWS CLARK KENT DOOOOWWWNNNNN
Team Iron man fans saying that Steve was wrong for not telling Tony that Bucky killed his parents but honestly, seeing how Tony handled finding out about it, I wouldn't have told him either. Tony was already willing to throw bucky into prison or an institution IMAGINE what he would've done if he found out bucky killed his parents while they still had him in custody. Steve was doing what he always has done, protect Bucky.
People openly supporting the revenge killing of a man who had NO control over his life for the past 70 years and wasn't even conscious for the majority of it because of something he did WHILE BRAINWASHED is insane to me.
(also please don't attack me I'm just stating my opinion TwT)
Fair take, but I think if Steve talked to him, calmly, before the bunker it would have gone all well. Or at least much better than whne they were in Siberia.
In Siberia, Tony was in his suit, mind and body ready for combat, and had just saw his parents die. Pretty big fucking difference and not at all the same if you think about it. In custody, if Steve had told Tony about his parents, his reaction of course would be anger, but not going all-mad. That's because he was not in his suit, and not ready for combat physically or mentally.
Not to mention Bucky didn't even verbally applogize, defend himself, or really do anything but stare at Tony. So really, his parent's murderer is staring at him, right in front of him. Tony, full and spilling with anger, still managed to think logically and get confirmation from Steve if he knew, so he wouldn't also hold the guilt of attacking Steve's best friend.
Yes, things would have gone so much better if Steve could have been bothered to tell Tony way before they walked into that bunker and got blindsided by that video!
Would Tony still have been angry? Without a doubt he would've been.
But if Steve could have told him before they walked into Zemo's trap, Tony would have something he never had by finding out the way he did and that was TIME TO WORK THROUGH THE EMOTIONS! I fully believe if he'd been given time beforehand, he would have worked through the anger and eventually come back to rational thinking and I believe, he would have wanted to HELP Bucky with getting rid of HYDRA's programming.
Oh and dear OP, for those of us who say Steve should have bothered to tell Tony the truth are not advocating for "revenge killing". That is not what we're saying at all. If we're saying anything, it is that we understand Tony's visceral reaction.
Was it right? No!
Was it understandable on a basic human level? Yes!
Like I said if anything, if Steve has told him before they walked in and saw that video, the entire situation could have been avoided entirely. Tony was not thinking rationally in that scene no matter what some people think of him and if you think he was, then you need to stop and put yourself in his shoes and think how rational you'd be after seeing your parents get brutally executed as the Starks were. If you say that you'd been completely rational in that moment, then I have to question whether or not your emotions are as cold or dead as a Siberian winter.
So I wanted to point out the usual nonsenses coming from Tony Stark antis and luckily enough, one of them made a post quoting pretty much most of their popular "arguments" (if I can refer to them as such), so let's take a look at this user’s main points and see how solid they are.
"Let's talk about the horrible shit Tony has done in the MCU"
Please keep in mind the "horrible shit" term all along during your reading.
"MCU Tony has mortared a city full of civilians"
Okay so first point and it literally never happened. USA's government did that to Wanda and Pietro's town, not Tony so I hope it wasn't too painful to pull this nonsense out of your ass.
"Been a complete dick to all of his teammates"
Oh no... he was mean to Steve and his coworkers during their first movie ? What a complete tragedy, what a heartless monster. Please stop the violins, otherwise I might weep.
"Made multiple misogynistic comments about women mainly Natasha (looking at you prima nocta scene)"
Okay so you gave only one example to back this up and it's when he was obviously joking with his friends. Even if that joke may be in very bad taste, that doesn't make him a horrible person like you tried to demonstrate, you're just nitpicking.
"Manipulated a 16 year old into getting into a war with his former teammates"
A) "a war" please don't make me laugh. For most of the only fight Peter take part in, both sides were joking with the other while fighting and weren't even fighting seriously, they were just trying to incapacitate each other. Things only get messy after Tony ordered Peter to step back.
B) Tony didn't manipulate shit. He hid no vital informations to Peter and while bringing a 16 year old to an arrest was indeed a stupid decision, he knew Steve wouldn't harm him and that Peter was strong, competent and equipped enough to deal with him.
"Thought he was completely justified for trying to kill Bucky for something Bucky did unwillingly cuz he was fucking brainwashed"
Why the fuck are you lying ? At no point Tony justified himself for this. He tried during the whole Civil War plot to ease things with Steve and this even after his best friend got disabled for life because Steve escalated the situation at the airport, only to learn then that his friend lied to him all along about his parents' death.
At this point Tony just didn't care anymore and while he was obviously wrong for trying to kill Bucky, it's not like he had no understandable reasons to go after him. Brainwashed or not, most people would try to obliterate their parents' murderer if he stood right in front of them.
"Repeatedly mocked Bruce Banner who was filled with self loathing and even tried to kill himself because of how much he hated being The Hulk"
Firstly he joked with him, not about him. Secondly, Tony was the only one who respected Bruce from the start and never treated him like some ticking bomb ready to explode.
"Created most of the villains in the MCU (Mysterio and Co., Vulture, Aldrich Killian, The Maximoff Twins, Justin Hammer, The Flag-Smashers etc)"
Okay, where do I even begin on that.
Quentin Beck was a narcissistic asshole who got mad because his boss called his invention "B.A.R.F", that and Tony tossing it aside because this tech was way too expansive for its very limited applications. So not Tony's fault if Beck had an ego more fragile than a soap bubble.
Hammer tried to destroy Tony's image and Stark Industries first, so Tony defended himself by revealing he crippled a man by trying to replicate his tech. Hammer fucked around and found out, not Tony's fault if he's an hypocritical idiot.
Concerning the Flag Smashers, the reason they became terrorists wasn't caused by Tony bringing back half of the universe, it was due to the Global Repatriation Council's disastrous resources management.
About Toomes, Tony had no prior knowledge of the contract he signed with NY and even if he did, leaving dangerous alien tech in the hands of random people is quite a moronic idea, as evidenced by what they did with this tech for years. Not Tony's fault if Toomes is delusional and sucks at his job.
Aldrich Killian ? Be fucking real, he became a super-villain just because Tony ignored him, an archetypal greasy-haired nerd who literally drools as he talks, for a pretty chick on New Year's Eve.
Like obviously, when a serial killer stab someone to death, the most logical reaction is to blame those who assemble knives at the factory rather than the murderer himself, makes perfect sense to me.
The Maximoff Twins, my god this argument again... Yeah let's blame the guy who designed and sold weapons to his government rather than, oh I don't know, the fucking guys who used them against civilians ??
"Which also means he's also had some hand in the deaths caused by all these characters"
Literally none of the characters you quoted became super-villains because of him.
"Created Ultron"
He intended to create a security system against other alien invasions and it resulted in a genocidal robot, which only happened because Wanda mindraped him some hours before. Tony is responsible for Ultron's creation, Wanda for what he became.
And I don't want to see anybody whining in my mentions that he already planned to design Ultron prior to her mindraping him, not when she had this fucking grin after seeing Tony taking the Mind Stone with him.
Let alone when she threw this line, later in the movie : I saw Stark’s fear. I knew it would control him, make him self destruct.
She knew letting him take the Stone would cause something awful that might also kill him and she used her powers to make him even more paranoid. She's responsible for Ultron going from "A suit of armor around the world" to "Genocidal Murder Bot", not Tony.
"Thought it was a good idea to have a newly created AI be exposed to The Mind Stone which caused Ultron to kill JARVIS and go rogue
A) Which again wouldn't have happened if Wanda hadn't mindraped him the same day.
B) He didn't consciously exposed Ultron to it, the Mind Stone corrupted the AI on its own, something Tony and Bruce had no way to predict.
C) Still not his fault anyway. Ultron is sentient, he takes his own decisions. Tony being his "father" doesn't change anything to this state of fact.
"Profited off of war by making weapons of mass destruction and selling them"
Something he's spent over a decade to make amend for, notably by closing his weapons division and dedicating his life and resources to helping people and saving the world.
"Bought illegally obtained vibranium stolen directly from Wakanda by Klaue"
False too. All we know is that they met each other at the time Tony was still designing weapons ; and that Klaue told him he was looking for something new. At no point was it implied Tony illegally bought vibranium from him.
"Technically responsible for more vibranium being stolen from Wakanda by Klaue due to Ultron"
This vibranium was already stolen by Klaue when Ultron met him.
"Being responsible for everyone who died in Sokovia's death because he made Ultron"
So following your reasoning, I guess Jeffrey Dahmer's parents are responsible for every murder their son committed from his own free-will ? Did I get that right ?
"Being unwilling to help Steve and the others fix the Blip cuz muh daughter"
My god, how dare he... being against playing with time and rather trying to accept what happened while taking care of his family.
And this when we know screwing up with time can cause world-ending events.
Truly a proof of how horrible of a human being he is, indeed.
Btw I like how you ignored that Tony changed his mind and helped them afterwards.
"Supported The Sokovia Accords which need I remind you all Tony is technically responsible for The Accords being made because A. he's the one who killed Wanda's parents (blah blah blah, a lot of false attributions later...) causing her to kill Crossbones and a building full of people"
Still isn't him who dropped those mortar shells on her house. Just like it's not him who pushed Crossbones to go suicide-bombers, wrote the Sokovia Accords and incited 119 countries to sign them.
"and B. he is literally responsible for what happened to Sokovia BECAUSE HE MADE ULTRON"
Already answered to this shit, let's continue.
"Referring to Wanda as "a weapon of mass destruction" in Civil War"
Lmao because she isn't ? No one forced Wanda to join a terrorist organization, pal. Just like no one pushed her to act as a weapon of mass destruction, by using her powers to send Hulk on a rampage across Johannesburg or by enslaving Westview.
"meanwhile HE is the REASON SHE has her powers in the first place"
Sure, Tony whispered in her ear every night to go serve as a guinea pig for Nazis in order to get her revenge on him. I forgot this part of Wanda's backstory, silly me.
"Falsely imprisoning the heroes that didn't sign The Accords because he's a cunt"
Tony don't have any power or authority to imprison people, and the heroes he stopped got incarcerated because they indeed broke the law, you jackass.
"Being technically responsible for all the deaths caused by Wanda in Wandavision and DSATMOM because if he didn't kill her parents with his mortar..."
I don't think you know what "technically" means.
"then her and Pietro wouldn't have went to Hydra thus not getting their powers from The Mind Stone"
You know what would have actually prevented all the deaths Wanda caused ? Her not willingly joining Nazis to get her powers and going on a murder spree.
"And you are probably thinking "But he sacrificed himself at the end of Endgame !""
To save the whole universe indeed. That and quite a few other things, such as :
Outright refusing to help terrorists and getting tortured as a result.
Risking his life to save Yinsen.
Saving Afghans villagers from terrorists.
Saving Pepper and SHIELD's agents from Obadiah Stane.
Actively saving people on a daily basis, and this for a decade.
Developing a shit ton of armors to protect people more efficiently.
Saving New York and the world overall from Chitauris.
Stopping Killian from taking over the USA.
Curing Pepper from the Extremis treatment.
Designing Veronica with Bruce.
Fighting Hulk to protect Johannesburg.
Saving the world once again, alongside the Avengers.
Awarding promising students with the funds to develop their own projects and inventions.
Granting his tech to Peter and designing for him two suits that allowed him to save many lives.
Saving Stephen's life from Ebony Maw.
Helping the Avengers to travel in other timelines.
"Let me ask you this : If Strange had hold Tony that the only way to defeat Thanos is if Tony sacrificed himself would Tony do it"
It's literally what happened during Endgame, you fucking bozo. What do you think was the meaning of this scene ?
And it's not like it was something new, he was always ready to die for others' sake, right from the start, did you even watched the first Avengers movie ?
No wait, even better : Have you at least watched the beginning of his first solo movie ?
I wasn't expecting anything from Tony antis but sucking that hard at watching a movie is quite impressive ngl.
"Bottom line is MCU Wanda sucks and Tony Stark sucks"
Yeah no shit, that's pretty easy to say when you're making up lies to support your hate boner.
So in conclusion, this dude has no idea of what he's talking about and neither does Tony antis in general for using these bs as arguments.
thinking about sam's "cap, can you hear me? cap, it’s sam. can you hear me? on your left" in endgame. it's literally the most important line in the history of mcu and i'm tired of people pretending it isn't
rewatching captain america civil war rn. i've always been team iron man and it seems like i'm becoming more and more fond of that team for every rewatch.
steve says something in the meeting with ross at the start of the movie. he says: "The Avengers were formed to make the world a safer place. I feel we've done that." that statement isn't untrue, the avengers did stop the world for whatever catastrophe it was facing in The Avengers, as well as Ultrons plan to eradicate the human race in age of ultron. but, the reality is that everywhere they went, a lot of people died, and they left a massive amount of collateral damage. that's why the accords were created, and that's what it's talking about.
i'm not necessarily an anti-team cap person, but i think it was quite naive not to understand where the UN was coming from. that's my two cents on this movie!!! the politics in this movie makes you think, and i love that. whether you're team cap or team iron man, i would love to know your thoughts on this matter!!!
Just saw an over 65,000 liked video on TikTok about how Stan Lee’s plan from the beginning for the MCU was that Tony Stark was going to turn into Victor Von Doom….
With a comment liked by the original poster being “I’ve been screaming since AOU that Tony Stark was the real villain of the Infinity Saga!”
……………
That creator is probably right, and I seriously fucking cannot.
That’s why the MCU couldn’t fucking stop with the “Tony Stark was always the villain” narrative, even after he’s dead.
And most MCU fans are going to eat. that. shit. up.
It is going to be fucking brutal to be a fan of MCU Tony Stark these next couple of years, even more so than during the Infinity Saga (especially during Civil War).
Y'all get over the "Tony Stark was always the real villain" narrative already, please!
For starters, Stan Lee never had control of the MCU!
Second, just STOP IT!
He was never the real villain in the MUC in any way, shape, or form and if you say Civil War then like me ask you: Did you somehow miss ZEMO? He was the VILLAIN! HE WAS THE ONE WHO MANIPULATED THEM ALL INCLUDING TONY!
Until the explicitly say that Victor von Doom has more in common that sharing Tony's face because RDJ plays them both, then yeah JUST STOP IT ALREADY!!!
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