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This is, I think, one of the most heartbreaking scenes in entire game when it's Zack here instead of Cloud.
Because this?
This is Sephiroth stopping because his friend called out to him, seeing Zack is upset, and trying to offer him a smile that's not quite the smile he's been giving Zack until now, but he's trying. Because there's still a part in him that registers that this is a friend who is in distress, a part of him that wants to comfort and reassure.
Sephiroth has just slaughtered an entire town, killed everyone who has tried to come in his way, even people who were just there. But he hasn't done anything to Zack besides walking right past him and, when Zack tried to physically stop him from doing so, throwing him into a wall (and we even get a visual of Jenova's influence on Sephiroth at that moment as seen here (yes I'm plugging my own gifs because that's easiest, sue me)). He was just casually strolling by Zack right before this moment too, but when Zack called his name he stopped and turned.
And then he saw Zack and the state he's in.
You can actually see that shift in Sephiroth, when he registers that this is his friend in front of him.
So he gives Zack one last smile because it's all he can do anymore before walking away.
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whatever our souls are made of, his and mine are the same.
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Is theĀ āmaternal bondā between Cloud and Tifa, and Cloud and Aerith the same?
An argument was made that Tifa feels like a maternal figure to Cloud, same as Aerith, trying to prove that either both women are romantically or not romantically linked to Cloud because of this.
All an attempt to keep trying to disprove CloTi as canon.
I have Reunion Files, it has the JP/ENG in it. This person left out huge context explaining the maternal bond and the difference between both ladies. Here are pgs 18-20 from Tifaās profile.
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Did Cloud Laugh With Aerith?
I recently came across this section in the 10th Anniversary Ultimania. I was curious because it mentions that the only time Cloud laughs in the game is with Aerith.
I donāt personally mind that. The conversation they were having was about Aerith not having the qualities of a SOLDIER. Arguably you could say that was a bit of foreshadowing to the fact that Cloud also never made the cut, he just believes he has. This also happens minutes after they escape the church. Theyāve barely had a conversation, let alone time for any actual romance to be brewing.
That may still be the case. However, I looked deeper into this because of what surrounds this quote about Aerith in the Ultimania. There are two Ultimania quotes Iāve seen reference this.
The first is from TurquoiseHammer on Twitter. This section seems to imply that Cloud sees something special in Aerith and that is why he laughs freely with her. However, like with many quotes about Cloud and Aerith that seem suggestive or even romantic in nature, itās left as a question or ponderance rather than a statement.
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So officially Cloud and Tifa becomes a couple AFTER the FF7, but BEFORE On the Way to a Smile? That's my assumption if thinking about the timelines.
I know that Cloud says in the beginning of CoT how he's glad he has Tifa by his side AS HIS WOMAN, but I still have a feeling they knew they were a couple before that. Tifa was being just insecure/confused probably a time or two during her case. Like "We've always kinda had each other, haven't we?" and that "Do you love me?". She KNOWS that Cloud loves her. She needed just some kind of comfort from Cloud that everything's gonna be okay since they had some darker days.
Officially they become a couple right after the end of VII since the scene in otwtas is the HW lands and they're looking at Midgar after the lifestream has pushed back meteor, but their feelings are revealed in the lifestream scene and they consummate it under the highwind the night before the final battle. They thought they were gonna die so it's their only chance to be together, and then afterwards they realise they can have their lives back.
At the point Tifa asks that, she and Cloud are going through some shit. Cloud's not talking about his problems and she's wondering if it's because of her, but he's suffering survivor's guilt and depression and doesn't want to burden her with what he feels like are his problems alone. As Nomura said, "the happier Cloud is the more lonely he gets" because he feels like he doesn't deserve anything good after everything he's been through. Cloud has always been like that too. He doesn't feel worthy of what he has and that's why having Tifa and his family tell him he's important to them is such a big deal to him all the time. He knows they love him, but he needs to feel like he's earned it because of his inferiority complex.
It's rare to see someone think that Cloud wasn't in love with Aerith so I would like to ask you, if Cloud isn't in love with Aerith why do you think he always thought of her even after OG? Tons of people died and Cloud never thought of them or had a violent reaction to it. Biggs, Jessie, and Wedge die and he barely reacts to it, Barret "dies" in Remake and he barely reacts to it. Why would he make a certain reaction to Aerith and have her on his mind all the time if he wasn't in love with her?
I have to ask, have you read my blog? Because the reason why Cloud thinks of Aerith after her death is basically the most basic and probably well discussed subject on here. It's not something that is particularly ambiguous or difficult to answer, hell, the developers have straight up told us why.
First though, let me just clarify that while I say that Cloud doesn't love Aerith, that it's a bit more complex than just saying he's not "in love" with her, there is a big difference between loving someone and being "in love" with someone, and there is a big difference between soldier Cloud and real Cloud. For a more nuanced breakdown of whether I think Cloud had any feelings for Aerith, read the following article:
Do I think Cloud had feelings for Aerith, plot twist, yes.
Concerning Cloud thinking about Aerith, remember that Cloud actually DOESN'T think about Aerith that much after her death during the original game, Aerith is barely mentioned after her death. She doesn't really come up again until the party discusses how Aerith was planning to stop meteor, at which point the entire party thinks back on her. The only time Cloud is seen thinking back on Aerith is during Advent children. But the reasons he thinks back on her are well known, they're stated in the movie and have been confirmed by developers, and they're the same reasons that he doesn't think back on Jesse and Wedge in the same way. He thinks back on Aerith AND ZACK because he feels responsible for their deaths.
Behind these actions lies feelings of guilt towards his past failure to protect people who were important to him -FF7 10th AU Cloud Strife profile
Failing to protect people important to him is his sin⦠Convincing himself of this, Cloud shuts himself off. What does his meeting with Aerith bring him? - Cloud Strife profile 10th AU
Two years after returning to the planet, Aerith still lives on in the hearts of her friends who saved the planet. And in particular to Cloud, as a symbol of his failure to having being unable protect those dear to him, -Aerith Gainsborough 10th AU profile.
Deep down, Cloud knew that he shouldnāt be so hard on himself, but at the same time he couldnāt let go of those feelings of guilt for what happened to Aerith and Zack, or the thought that he could never forgive himself for it. But then his companions made him feel better by telling him to let go. - Takahiro Sakurai (Cloudās voice actor) pg. 15 reunion files.
As long as Cloud blames himself for Aerithās death, he wonāt be able to move on with his life. One of the first ideas we had for Advent Children was to have Cloud overcome and resolve that immense feeling of guilt. For Cloud, no one other than Aerith can solve that problem for him.- Reunion Files. pg. 58.
Cloud feels an incredible sense of guilt for not being able to save her, but sometimes he can still hear her voice in a soft whisper. -(Reunion Files, Aerithās profile)
Zack&Aerith For Cloud, they were people whom he can never forget. The two irreplaceable people, Zack, āwho was sent to death because of himā, and Aerith, āwho met a tragic fate as he couldnāt protect herā became āthe unforgivable sinā in his heart.- ACC POST CARD BOOK.
āIām going to live. I think thatās the only way I can be forgiven. All sorts of things⦠happened.ā - Cloud in case of Tifa
It's been confirmed time and time again that guilt is the reason Cloud thinks back on Aerith so much during ACC. But this never needed to be confirmed by outside sources, because even if Clouds general story-arc didn't make that obvious in the first place, the fact is that it's outright stated in the movie.
āI want to be forgiven. Mm. More than anything.ā-Cloud āBy who?ā-Aerith
āIsnāt it time you did the forgiving?ā Aerith to Cloud.
"But... I let you die..." - Cloud to Aerith
āI never blamed you. Not once, you came for me, thatās all that matter.ā-Aerith to Cloud.
"Are sins ever forgiven...?" - Cloud to Vincent
"I said I'd live out both our lives, easy to make that promise...." Cloud to Zack
Notice how there is not a single mention of "I love you", or hell, even "I miss you" in sight? That's because his melancholy is not romantic in nature.
Clouds despair over failing Aerith goes back all the way to his character arc in FFVII. The earliest thing we know about Cloud, the thing that started his entire journey, was him feeling ashamed at not being able to save Tifa when she fell off the mountain. His feelings of inadequacy and guilt are a running motif throughout the story.
"I'm not fit to help anyone. Not my family. Not my friends. Nobody." - Cloud to Tifa in ACC
Even in remake this is already being brought up CONSTANTLY!
"it's just like, when I failed you" - Cloud before Airbuster fight
"You've failed again, I see, but through suffering you will grow strong, isn't that what you want?" - Sephiroth after plate drop
"You're too weak to save anyone, not even yourself" - Sephiroth when meeting Aerith
If you want a more detailed rundown of Clouds actions during advent children I suggest reading this article.
Cloud thinks about Aerith because he's happy living with Tifa. Cloud is inherently prone to negative over-worrying and self-blame, so when he realizes how happy he is this causes two distinct feelings in him. 1: He's ashamed at feeling happy because he blames himself for the sins of the past, and thinks he doesn't deserve happiness. 2: He's afraid of losing this happiness because he knows that he's always failed at protecting the people closest to him in the past. Both stem from his sense of guilt and inadequacy, which is what he needs to overcome in the movie. This, again, has been confirmed many times.
The happier Cloud is, the more lonely he becomes. -Nomura in Distance
Cloud never had a candid personality to begin with, and although he started living with Tifa and even started working, he obtained a peaceful living heās never experienced before, and this conversely made him anxious. And in the midst of this he contracts Geostigma himself, and rather than being able to protect the people dear to him, he instead was forced to face his own death, and so ran away.ā-Nojima in AC prologue.
Nomura: Even though he found peace, Cloud has lost a lot of people dear to him up until this point. Not only that, but looking at Cloudās history, this is the first time heās experienced a āpeacefulā environment in the true sense of the word. Cloud is a character who will always keep thinking, regardless of whatās going on around him.
Nomura: Cloud is scared that the peace he has now might shatter, so he is living on his own.
The more he realizes how happy he is living with Tifa and the children, the more the fear of losing that and regrets toward the past trouble Cloud⦠-10th AU Cloudās profile
The things that cloud blames himself for are not things that anyone else blames him for. So what he has to do is overcome himself. -nomura, distance
With all this going on is it weird that he's thinking about Aerith? During 1 week? When he's dying? Personally I find it extremely distasteful to try to make this romantic. Cloud thinking about Aerith isn't romantic, it's tragic, it's bad. Pretending that there is anything romantic there would be inappropriate even IF Cloud did use to love Aerith. It minimizes the internal struggles of a suffering man, and it's not cool. IF Cloud loved Aerith, then him thinking about her has nothing to do with that, it's irrelevant. From a storytelling perspective, Cloud isolating himself in the church and being stuck in the past is NOT a good thing, it's not something to be romanticized, it's bad, it's dangerous, it's something the protagonist is meant to overcome by the end of the movie, which he does.
The place where he awakens ā That is Cloudās Promised Land As he sleeps, Cloud hears two voices. The voices of two people very dear to him, who are no longer with him. Playfully and kindly, they give him a message: he doesnāt belong here yet. When he awakes, there was his friends. There were the children, freed from their fatal illness. Tifa and Marlene, and Denzel asking for Cloud to heal his Geostigma ā his family were waiting. Engulfed in celebration, he realizes where he is meant to live. He realizes that he was able to forgive himself. And when he turns around ā āsheā is starting to leave. Together with the friend who had given Cloud his life. Cloud no longer has to suffer in loneliness ⦠And so they too go back to where they belong. Back to the current of life flowing around the planet ā.10th AU.
As for why he seemingly cares more about Zack and Aerith than Barret or Jesse, it's because they're the ones he wants forgiveness from, not Jesse, not Biggs. Aerith is the person he was supposed to be bodyguarding, who was alone in the city of the ancients because HE attacked her at the temple, she's the girl HE almost attacked at the city of the ancients. She, more than anyone else, died because he was too weak to save her. She died because of his incompetence and fake persona, or so he thinks. And Zack, his best friend, literally gave up his life in order to defend Cloud, and then Cloud straight up forgot about him because of his weak sense of self. As for Barret, there is simply no comparison. First of all, Cloud knew Barret even less than the knew Aerith, and definitely cared less about him at that point than he cared about Aerith at the moment of her death. Secondly, if you actually look at Clouds expression when Barret gets stabbed he looks absolutely mortified. Thirdly, simply a different situation, remember that Tifa cried at Aeriths death but simply let out a half-hearted "Barret" when he got stabbed? Aerith is also much more representative of innocence, the guardian of the planet, while Barret is a grown ass terrorist fighting a war against shinra. There is also the meta-reasons that Barret wasn't really dead, the characters might not know that, but the developers do and they're not going to give an overly dramatic scene of grieving at what is essentially a fake-out. Thanks for the question.
Traces of Two Pasts pgs 150-208/208
āIām strong when I'm determined. I worked hard selling those steamed buns, making money, saving it up, and paying back what I owed. On my days off, I trained and reviewed my martial arts. It wasnāt hard sticking to the same routine every day anymore.ā
āIn my opinionā¦ā said Red XIII, āit suits your personality.ā
A Clinical Analysis of Cloud's Psychology, Part III - Reintegration and Unconditional Love
This is the conclusion to my series on Cloud's psychology, where I will discuss identity reintegration. The original was posted on Reddit. You don't need to have read the other posts to understand this one, but it's highly encouraged so you can follow my overall train of thought. I'll still include a quick and dirty review of the important concepts from Part II that will be relevant here. To provide some background, I'm currently training in clinical diagnosis and psychotherapy to become a psychologist. I want to apply what I know to break down our understanding of Cloud in a clinical context.
Part I - Trauma, Dissociation, and Psychosis Part II - Identity, Self-Concept, and Mako Part III - Reintegration and Unconditional Love [you are here]
I noticed something that sort of ticks me off in Case of Tifa. After Cloud does a delivery for Elmyra to take a bouquet to Aerith's grave he starts staying away from Tifa and Marlene. But then after he finds Denzel and says that Aerith brought Denzel to him and decides to let him live with them and save him from geostigma, Cloud starts being back at home more often again. Did Cloud really start spending more time at home again just b/c of Aerith, and decided to save Denzel just b/c of her?
Hey anon.
The AC/CoT stuff seems to be a popular topic recently. I think itās good that people are watching ACC and reading the novels since I think itāll be important to understand both as Remake moves along. Theyāre pulling all pieces of the compilation into Remake, and the novels are no exception, since Leslie, Marle, and Kyrie have already made appearances.Ā
The delivery to the Forgotten City caused a old wound to be ripped open. The point of ACC is to show Cloudās guilt for letting (in his mind) Aerith die. They also tie in Zack since he also feels immense guilt and sadness over that. In CoT they only really say that Cloud does feel guilty because he feels like he couldnāt protect Aerith and prevent her from dying. I donāt think thatās romantic - he was supposed to be her bodyguard and we know from Cloudās history that he takes these things very seriously. He failed at preventing her from being killed, so he lives with that guilt.
Tifa also has a lot of guilt surrounding Aerithās death and the Sector 7 plate collapse. They mention her guilt a ton of times, and I find it interesting that itās not something thatās talked about often online. Itās always about Cloudās guilt.
Hereās something an anon wrote in that I think is a great summary:
Anon Ask/Statement on Cloudās Guilt
Tifaās first time at the Forgotten City, which is shortly after the first defeat of Sephiroth, causes her to break down. The one thing thatās interesting in CoT is Tifaās guilt slams her almost immediately, while Cloud is the one who seems to be holding it together to support her.Ā
We see that heās willing to try and help her be strong. At this point, Iām not sure if heās fully aware of the amount of guilt thatās settling within him. The point where it really seems to slam him is after he does the delivery for Elmyra. He has PTSD associated with the Forgotten City. I would assume anybody would. I would whether I knew a person closely or not if I saw them murdered in front of me. Especially if I attempted to kill them myself right before.Ā
Cloud also just generally has PTSD from everything else thatās happened to him. He lost his mother violently, his hometown was burned down, he watched the girl heās in love with almost die, he was experimented on for four years and then ultimately watched his best friend die in front of him. Heās got a lot of shit going on and now add a reminder of ANOTHER incident in his life, heās going to spiral.
Cloud also has a tendency to close in on himself. He doesnāt want to be a burden and heās scared of hurting those he loves. Itās very possible that during this point, he didnāt want to worry Tifa anymore than she already was. So he begins to avoid them. Tifa also is non-confrontational at this point so isnāt going to push him.Ā
For the Denzel piece: Cloud sees Denzel as a way to repent for his sins of letting Aerith and Zack die. He says Aerith sent Denzel to him not in a romantic sense, but (in his mind) as a way to be forgiven.Ā
Now, we know Aerith doesnāt blame Cloud for her death. She tells us that in AC. This is all in Cloudās mind that heās a failure and he causes all these issues. Heās very selfless, but ends up seeming selfish because he really does pretty much self implode.
Itās not the first time he does this, either. When Tifa falls from Mt. Nibel - he blames himself. He goes through this time when he just becomes and asshole and beats people up. This is the event that causes him to decide to become a SOLDIER. He wants to win Tifa over.
He never tells anybody why he wanted to join SOLDIER. They show that during the Lifestream when Tifa asks him why. It was a sudden decision to everyone around him. Most likely not to Cloud - because Cloud was in his head coming up with all of this stuff. Ultimately, he wanted Tifa to notice him. He wanted to win her over and prove he could protect her. That was his driving force behind joining SOLDIER.Ā
So now weāve covered this is just the way Cloud is. In Tifaās case, he already had a crush on her, so that just grew from there into this deep desire to win her over. In Aerithās case he didnāt have as strong of a connection to her - he didnāt know her as long - and he wasĀ ācontractedā to be her bodyguard. He takes these things seriously.Ā
Cloud and Tifa take Denzel in and Cloud becomes obsessed with finding a cure for Geostigma. We see the books and papers on his desk in Advent Children - so we know this is something he was really looking in to. I relate - I did the same thing when my dad had cancer. You can get into these moods and forget about everything else. Usually somebody has to try and slam you out of it, but itās hard.Ā
Tifa also sees Denzel as a way to retribution. She has a lot of guilt over what she did with Avalanche and the Sector 7 plate collapse. Denzel lost his parents in the Sector 7 plate collapse.Ā
Here is the conversation the two of them have that I think people take out of context. Cloud didnāt say Aerith brought Denzel to him for romantic reasons. He sees it as another chance to save a life. He tells us this - directly. Tifa feels the same was, as we see in the earlier excerpt. If anything, Aerith knew both Tifa and Cloud needed some help here with their inner turmoil.Ā
On top of it, Tifa feels that Denzelās arrival strengthened their family. I would think if this was an old flame thing happening, she may feel a bit differently. Cloud decided to cut back to spend more time with the children. This has nothing to do with Aerith. It is also mentioned on a previous page that the bar was starting to lose business because people started realizing a kid with Geostigma lived there. Cloud, Tifa, and Marlene never mention this to Denzel, and instead, they continue to embrace him as part of their family.Ā
Honestly itās pretty warm and fuzzy - even though all the darkness in this chapter - Tifa and Cloud are pretty good parents, especially since theyāre young and it was kind of thrown on them. Also, it wouldnāt really be nice if Cloud was likeĀ āhey Iām dropping another kid off for you to deal with while youāre working the bar and all.ā
As for the very last paragraph: We find out later that Cloud ends up with Geostigma and thatās why he left. It was the straw that broke the camelās back sort of thing. Not only was he failing at saving Denzel, but he also now had what he knew to be a terminal illness in many cases. He now feels he canāt do anything and he runs. He tells us this in AC.Ā
I donāt think Tifa imagined the promise - because things ultimately end up being okay. Cloud just really thought he was going to die and was going to fail her - being dead means he canāt fulfill his promise to her.Ā
Hereās an excerpt from Case of Denzel. He mentions Tifa, Cloud, and Marlene. Not just Cloud. He sees them all as his family. He also mentions all of the folks along the way. The bulk of Case of Denzel is him getting to the point of being found at the church. Itās not just about his time with Cloud and Tifa - itās Denzelās journey. Johnny is in this one a lot.Ā
Ultimately, I do have issues with the way Advent Children was handled outside of Japan. Without the novels, it does seem like Cloud is just a depressed mess. You donāt really know why heās a mess. You know he has Geostigma and you know he feels guilty. Some people took it as him pining for Aerith. Watching ACC and reading the novels, I didnāt get that at all. Many people became Cloti fans because of Advent Children. They were acting like a married couple going through a rough patch.Ā
They really do only mention his guilt in the novels and his issues with not being able to protect her. We do not have an officialĀ āCase of Cloudā so really can only go based on what the other characters are seeing with him and what heās told them. As Iāve said in previous posts, thereās not canon evidence that his feelings were romantic - especially post Lifestream.Ā
The novels were released AFTER Advent Children in the US and I donāt think it was very well known. Most of the people Iāve talked to that are casual fans never saw Advent Children as romantic for him and Aerith. Especially since Zack was around. The ending alone makes people laugh when they find out they think Cloud and Aerith had any romance - he calls herĀ āMomā - her boyfriend is there with her and theyāre acting like foster parents.Ā
I think with Remake, theyāll make things a bit more clear. I think ACC does a good job of making the guilt feel a bit more broad between Aerith and Zack. I wish it would have covered a bit more about Tifaās guilt like Case of Tifa does, and maybe it would seem less romantic, since they seem to be having the same inner turmoil.
I think if people fully played OG, played Crisis Core, read the novels, and then watched ACC, theyād realize this all comes together pretty clearly. Dirge of Cerberus doesnāt show too much of he full original gang, but you do get to see a much happier Cloud and Tifa in it. The phone conversation is cute and hilarious - especially since since Barret is being ridiculous and Tifa yells at him.
Aerith and Zack are a thing. Cloud and Tifa are a thing. Cloud and Tifa have some serious problems with dealing with what goes on in their heads and itās resolved by the end of Advent Children. Zack and Aerith give him that look at the end likeĀ āAlright, everything should be good now. Donāt disappoint us!āĀ
I also really do not think Cloud is going to pine after his best friendās girl. Cloud isnāt a douchebag. Heās a nice guy. He respects people. Zack was his one and only best friend. Zack saved his life. I really think if people would remember to pull Zack into these conversations, theyād realize that itās ridiculous to think that Cloud was after his dead best friendās dead girlfriend.Ā
Additional Reading:
Advent Children Anon AskĀ Ā (About Romance)
Cloud and Tifa Ask - Advent Children
Why Zack is Important to Cloud
The Future of the LTDĀ (This has a links to other blogs as well - so there is a variety of opinions here, including from a CA multishipper)
Case of Tifa and the Kids are Alright
Letās Talk About⦠On the Way to a Smile: Case of Tifa and The Kids are Alright: A Turks Side Story
Yes, I couldnāt sleep⦠again. Iāve gotten good at staying up two days at a time. Then sleeping and going back to it. I suppose itās the quarantine⦠Which is only going to get worse it seemsā¦
In any case, I finally got to read Case of Tifa⦠and⦠if you came out of that thinking they werenāt a thing⦠I donāt know what to tell you. I honestly went in to it expecting it to seem very ambiguous and very non-Cloti (in a sense).Ā
What struck me, first of all is the amount of guilt Tifa talks about having. Tifa seems to be just as bad as Cloud is, she just deals with it differently. Oddly enough, Cloud doesnāt show that much guilt immediately. Tifa is the one who is struggling with this major guilt initially.Ā
So letās start with some screenshots (pictures?) I took of excerpts I found interesting. Some Iām sure youāve seen before.Ā
Here we have Tifa talking about the guilt. She also feels insanely guilty for what happened to not only Aerith, but everything else that happened (Sector 7 Plate Drop/Avalanche). The other weird thing about this⦠and this is legit at the end of the OG⦠she almost is convincing herself that she should stay alive. I found a lot of sadness in that. And itās not because of anything Cloud did. No⦠actually I think thatās what snaps her out of it.Ā
Of course we have a smiling Cloud. Youāre going to see Cloud smiles⦠a lot⦠and he laughs too, which I really hope they show him laughing because I donāt know what it sounds likeā¦Ā
Iām sure everyone has seen this. Itās the next page after Tifa calls Cloud out on his bright dork smile heās giving. I mean he fucking says he has her. And that he knows what that means.Ā
I⦠I donāt know how you canāt take this in a romantic sense. Maybe because the guy barely smiles so to me this is massive. Maybe because he had a hell of a time telling her anything down Under the Highwind. I donāt know. But this seems like something thatās profound to tell a person. Thatās the end of that section (teases - perfect moment for a kiss).Ā
I like theĀ āWhat about you? Are you okay?ā Strikes me as something we saw in Chapter 17 when you first get control of Tifa and Aerith, right?Ā āWhat about you, Tifa? How are you doing?ā
Tifa loses it, crying. Guilt, guilt, guilt. They talk more about Tifaās guilt than they do Cloudās guilt. Cloud comforts her here. Another profound thing at this point, but⦠we are seeing him do this in Remake already. The hug is the major oneā¦Ā
But things like when he grabs her from having a crate fall on her⦠he could have pulled her out of the way and let her go or pushed her (like Leslie does in the sewers). No, he holds on to her. She actually is the first one to let go here. (Look how cute they are PSPSPSPSPSPSPS)
So this whole part just cracks me up. For one, it shows that these three were busy doing stuff together and slept under the plate, even though it could collapse.Ā
I HOPE WE GET A GODDAMN VISUAL OF THIS. Barret making happy Cloud and Tifa drinks? LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF?!Ā Barret talking about his past?!
āThe other two [Cloud and Tifa] couldnāt remember the last time theyād laughed so much.āĀ
Letās be real⦠probably when they were like 14 - maybe.Ā
Thereās also a part later down that I didnāt get where Barret makes fun of them for getting trashed during this night. I would kill to ALSO see that.Ā
But⦠laughing, drunk Cloud? Laughing, drunk Tifa? Plz.Ā
Happy⦠sounds like the correct term.
Now there are moments as time goes on - mainly after the bar is open - where Tifa thinks about once the bar gets ready, is Cloud going to leaveā¦
This is where I think people take it as theyāre nothing. Tifa I think just has a very hard time accepting that not everything is going to be taken away from her. The impression I got from reading this is it was all in her head. Cloud himself gave no indication that he wanted to leave. (The Geostigma catalyst is later)
And hereās why I said I got no feeling that Cloud wanted to leave. (Oh hereās more about Tifaās guilt). Above this, Marlene says Cloud and Tifa can be her parents and the two look at each other. Cloud doesnāt look away. Cloud also says Awesome with conviction. Looks at Tifa almost to confirm itās okay⦠but these two like to talk without words. I think he knew she was getting nervous, so this was his way of sayingĀ āSee? Iām not going anywhere?āĀ
Marlene gave him a nice little assist here so he didnāt have to say anything and Tifa didnāt have to ask.Ā
Tifa, I think, was already going through her major guilt turmoil - she had an immediate reaction to it. I think she knew, deep down, that Cloud eventually WOULD have this problem, and when she sees the slip from Elmyra for the Forgotten City, I think she knew that was the catalyst.Ā
āStop worrying about what they were to each other.ā Iāve seen a lot of jokes, mostly on Japanese Twitter posts, that Cloud assumed Tifa was his girlfriend. Like, he didnāt realize he needed to tell her that. I read a post about this somewhere too, that they got the impression Cloud (in the land of Cloudās mindā¦) got was that Tifa was his girlfriend and knew this. Iām not sure if itās because of Under the Highwind, I donāt know if itās because he pulled the same shit on her and talked to her while she was sleeping. I have no idea.Ā
To me, Cloud and Tifa donāt have to say theyāre boyfriend and girlfriend. It seems kind of funny after all theyāve been through. Theyāre almost like extensions of each other at this point.Ā
Okay so the above is from The Kids are Alright. Evan goes to see Tifa at the bar because he just saw Cloud and needs to get to Nibelheim. And Cloud tells him to talk to Tifa.Ā
I have to laugh about this Evan staring at chest line⦠lololol
Letās talk about how she describes Aerith.Ā āFriend doesnāt do her justice.ā
ā¦Did Tifa have romantic feelings for Aerith? Probably not (though weād all be fine with it because Aerti is adorable). @holysmotezā Made a very good post about how Aerith can be seen more as a holy/religious figure. I think Tifa saying this really does enforce that with me as well.Ā
Also this is the part where you find out thereās blackmail pictures of all three of them in the dresses: Cloud, Tifa, and Aerith.Ā
But I marked an interesting one -Ā āIāll be fine. And Iāve got Cloud, too.ā She sounded confident.
Now, I was blowing through this at this point. I will go back and do a normal reading of it, but after this, Kyrie and Evan go on a journey round the world it feels like. Thereās Nibelheim talk. They talk about some of the people who were killed during the Reunion and are found at the northern crater.Ā
And here is the end of The Kids are Alright.Ā
Cloud tells Evan that theyāre a family.Ā
This is AT THE END OF AC when the church is being utilized as a way to heal folks. On thing that also seems odd⦠A lot of people were under the impression that Cloud disappeared for months⦠but it was like a week. Tifa blows him a kissy kissy at the end of the movie, then apparently walks up with him and the kids to see Evan and Kyrie - very family like.Ā
I also did not get any jealousy vibes from Tifa and no Iām hiding this cuz Aerith feelings from Cloud.
The part where he tells her where he found Denzel felt more like he knew she was worried about him closing in on himself again (which he already was anyway), but her reaction didnāt come off as she felt jealous nor that she felt he was hiding it cuz feelings. She wanted to go cuz she wanted to go and be with him and maybe feel her friend (more than friend) there.
I got the same feeling as I did when he was taking extra jobs to get extra money for his bike. Like I should have told you I was there, and it wasnāt really planned. I think he was praying or whatever the equivalent would be. He was feeling guilty, going down a bad path⦠because he wasnāt just visiting the church in AC. He also was visiting Zackās grave. I mean, he let the Buster Sword rust to hell out there. (Angeal knows what you did, Cloud.)
So hereās how I feel after reading this, and now I do think that Remake is setting this up better.
Aerith is the same type of person to Cloud and Tifa. They both feel the same way about her. She feels the same way about them. Itās different than a simple friendship, but itās not romantic. Spiritual is a good way to describe this.Ā
There is the part where Aerith says Cloud was more than a friend, for she had loved him. By itself Iād say holy shit, wow, Aerith had romantic feelings for Cloud. After reading the rest of this, thinking of the OG, AC, CC, and Remake - yes, she loved him - but not like she loved Zack - she loved Cloud as a special person, not in a romantic sense. I think she almost felt like she had to protect him, because in this same part when she says she loved him, she also says she knows he has almost a delicate heart, but also needed to find a way to warn him about the shit about to go down.Ā
I think if you asked Aerith about Tifa, sheād say she loved Tifa too. I think OG didnāt do a good job of building up the Tifa and Aerith friendship to show exactly how important she really was to the whole thing, but time constraints, technology, whatever, a lot of games in the 90s suffered from this type of shit. Get the game out! Weāll figure out the rest laterā¦
This also does not talk about Cloudās feelings on Aerith. The only indicator we really get in this is that Cloud felt guilty that he could not protect Aerith.Ā
My guess is he told Tifa this at one point, probably during one of the conversations that she needed his help to stay strong. Thatās not romance. He felt obligated to protect her because he was supposed to be her bodyguard, but beyond that, he just protects people. He doesnāt have to be madly in love with them. Thereās a difference in how he reacts to her death and Tifaās simulated death. Cloud is able to function, fight Jenova, and carry her off to drop her off in the lake.Ā
Tifaās he completely starts to freak. We see what he does in Nibelheim and overtakes Sephiroth. I am not sure what would have happened if Sephiroth didnāt stab him and Tifa had died at that point⦠I really donāt know.Ā
In any case, you should go read these novels too. The Kids are Alright has Kyrie and Leslie in it. Evan Iām sure we will see at some point soon.
Donāt be afraid to read them⦠I was because of shit information online, so I hope this puts you at ease.
Oh, Barret and Cid have a conversation about Cloud and Tifa being together tooā¦Ā