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Now i watched the new lego short and again, is fine, nothing spectacular, but the message is a hab against Frozen 2, home is home, home is the castle, home is family
Yes, I agree.
Home is the Castle.
It's their house.
It's where they should both live, Elsa and Anna.
Maybe by this point every already watched the new Frozen short about the animals but i just did it today and just want to comment i like to see Elsa and Anna again, even if the short is not great it have what i like to see, sisters just living their life together. The only negtive aspect i have to mention, the short happens the day after Elsa thaw the kingdom, this is what they did their first day togehter? I know i shouldnt take it seriously but come on
Oh I didn't realize that was their first day....it makes sense since they're remodeling the castle, but yeah, it's a bit weird.
I also thought K and Sven would join the sisters in the castle at a later date, not right away. I mean....it's not like he and Anna have a relationship at that point, so it seems a bit too soon, IMO.
I prefer the books, honestly, where it's just the sisters getting to know each other.
But the short was cute and the only negative thing for me was Olaf blaming Elsa for everything. Annoying.
I loved how Anna's wish was to remove their bedrooms' doors. LOL Another thing that is cute but...not consistent with the books we have read since 2013.
I was a Kristoff fan. Key word: was.
He and Anna had great, snarky friend chemistry in the first movie. Shoving them into a romance was fine, I guess, but Frozen 2 just proved they absolutely do not work.
All he cares about is his proposal. His entire personality in Frozen 2 shrank down to "must propose." That's it. It's not about supporting Anna's emotional sanity, it's not about helping find the truth, it's about his moment, his ring.
The world is ending, and he's totally self-absorbed.
He is visibly jealous that Anna is prioritizing Elsa, her one and only family. Anna's worried about her sister running into fire and dark seas, and Kristoff is literally tapping his foot like, "Um, hello? Me? Remember me? The boyfriend?"
It's so pathetic. It makes him a total jerk.
He was a total jerk. He went from being the reliable, 'I've-got-your-back' guy to a pouting, insecure man-child.
His entire B-plot was "how do I propose?" while Anna was, you know, literally trying to save the world and find her sister. Read the room, dumbass.
And when his clumsy proposal fails, he doesn't talk to her like an adult. He just... leaves. He ditches her in the middle of an enchanted, dangerous forest because his feelings are hurt.
That's not a "rock," that's a pebble.
He did nothing. He sang a cheesy '80s music video which was funny, but pointless and then showed up at the last second to be Anna's Uber.
That's it. Sven was more helpful.
And the worst part is the communication. It's been THREE YEARS. You're telling me in three years, this grown man (who's older than her) still can't use his words?
He has to ask reindeer for relationship advice and then just ghosts his girlfriend when things get tough? It's pathetic. They regressed his character to zero.
Their romance is 100% the old-school Disney romance playbook, just with a "modern vibe" filter slapped on top.
The "modern vibe" is just that she's "adorkable" and he's a "fixer-upper" instead of a generic prince.
But the script is the same: meet, have one (1) adventure, and now the only possible next step is marriage.
There's no real substance or development. That's why his entire Frozen 2 plot was the most tired, basic, 1950s sitcom trope ever: "How do I, the big dumb man, ask for marriage?" It's not a real, modern partnership; it's just a relationship checklist. It's shallow, and it proved they're way more interesting as friends.
Your description is perfect.
He was totally self absorbed for 2 hours and in the end they fixed it with a "what do you need" line (when Elsa wasn't around and he could actually talk to Anna, too easy like that!) and the irritating "my love is not fragile" when it was so fragile that he did nothing but thinking about a stupid proposal for all the movie.
They wrote a trainwrack and tried to fix it with 2 lines.
Awful.
They surely worked better as awkward boyfriend and girlfriend.
I don't understand how the creators of Frozen fail to understand that Frozen is popular due its focus on the sisters and sisterhood. All the articles and reviews praised the first movie for being a movie about sisters. And when hoping for a sequel people kept talking about how they want to see the sisters doing things together since they were forced to be apart in the first one. People specifically asked to see more of the sisters TOGETHER. Only for the creators to separate the sisters. I hope that in the third movie we will get to see the sisters actually doing things together instead of again making Elsa feel like everything is her fault and the creators forcing Elsa to push Anna away again. Let Elsa be happy! Let the sisters be happy! Let them go on a adventure together and actually do things together instead of separating them! I don't mind them saving each other but please, stop making Elsa think she needs to be alone. The first movie's theme for Elsa was about how Elsa belongs in Arendelle with Anna and how can she be herself despite her powers and then the second movie went "nope, actually she can't be herself in Arendelle, she has to move to the woods to do that!". And yeah, Kristoff is nice and sweet but his romance with Anna is not what made the original Frozen popular, it was the sisterhood. Please focus on the sisters, not the romance. I wish Kristoff and Anna had not ended up together in the first movie at all and instead Anna would have stayed as single like Elsa cause the romance aspect is not really needed in Frozen and the creators clearly don't know what to do with Kristoff and that's why he basically was written out of the second movie for the majority of the run time. I have nothing against Kristoff, he is nice but the writers clearly struggle with coming up with things for him to do. He is clearly is a hindrance and he served his purpose in the first movie by helping Anna realize that what she felt for Hans wasn't true love. They should have kept Anna and Kristoff as friends, in that way they could still keep Kristoff in the story without having to struggle with what to do with him. Just have him be a secondary character who is there to help from time to time and most of the time he is running his ice business.
I have nothing do add my friend. :)
all stans can be toxic, it's not a character specific. there are anna stans who demonize elsa and there are elsa stans who demonize anna. when frozen 2 came out there were many elsa stans who accused anna of being depended on elsa and suffocating elsa and bothering her, they especially berated anna for the "You don't want me to follow you into fire, then don't run into fire" line, just like there were anna stans who accused elsa of abandoning anna when elsa was just trying to protect anna.
Trust me there has never been a REAL Elsa fan who wants Anna to "stop bothering her".
You're confusing Elsa fans who people who want Elsa to be a gay icon and married to some native in the woods. Those are the ones who dissed on Anna cause she was "in the middle of their not-existent ship".
I can't call "Elsa fan" somebody who wants Elsa away from Anna. As I don't believe Anna fans should want her away from Elsa either.
that's why i am a proud Anna AND Elsa stan. one does not exist without the other. Frozen is Anna and Elsa. Frozen is Elsa and Anna. i see no need to prefer one over the other.
You're right!!! :)
I think the creators of Frozen wrote themselves into a corner by making Kristoff and Anna a couple cause Frozen 2 proves they do not know what to do with K (he is basically written out of the movie for the majority of its runtime) and sisterhood is the thing what the fans actually care about and K kinda gets in the way of that cause now that he is A's love interest they just have to include him despite not having anything for him to do.
It's like Jen focuses on what she likes, K, and Disney pushes for Elsa and Elsa+Anna.
It's gonna be a mess.
we listen, we don't judge.
not all stans are better, but many of Anna stans are also toxic as hell because they try to always erase Elsa's role in her life or picturing Elsa is the bad one and didn't love her sister.
this is why i agree Elsa deserves a lot of apologizes.
Yes, this is exactly why we are different.
I’m an Elsa stan and I want nothing else than seeing her with her sister.
I hope Frozen 3 allows Elsa to use blue dresses again. Blue and all its different shades fit her so well.
True. She looks like a ghost in white.
The entire point of Frozen IS the sisters. What are you all watching?
I feel like every time the Frozen fandom comes up, there’s this immediate, knee-jerk reaction from people who get scandalized by the idea of fans focusing on Anna and Elsa’s relationship. They act as if it’s some kind of forbidden, toxic concept that needs to be stamped out.
And to that, I have to ask: did we watch the same movies?
From the very beginning, Frozen has been about two sisters. The entire conflict of the first film is kicked off by their separation and resolved not by a charming prince, but by an "act of true love" between the sisters.
The narrative literally subverted the classic Disney trope to hammer home the point that this bond, right here, is the most important one in the story.
Anna’s love for Elsa and Elsa’s love for Anna, is the magic that saves the day.
And then Frozen 2 doubled down on it. The entire plot is about them navigating their shared past and individual destinies, but always, always as a unit. They face the elemental spirits together.
They uncover the truth about their family together. The climax of the film hinges on their trust and connection, even when they’re physically apart.
People seem to conveniently forget the final lines of the movie.
"We'll do this together."
The story literally ends on a promise of their continued partnership. It’s the thesis statement for their entire relationship arc across two movies. Their love and devotion to one another is the epic romance the saga is built on.
So why is it so shocking when fans are invested in that dynamic? Why is it treated like a disease to appreciate the central, most well-developed, and most emotionally resonant relationship in the franchise? Is the concept of profound sisterly love really that alienating to you?
No need to act like it's such a disease. Is a powerful, world-altering bond between sisters a disease to you? You're okay there? Everything's good at home?
Liking Anna and Elsa's dynamic isn't weird. It's called paying attention to the plot.
FUCK. Y E S THANK YOU
This and thank you.
Fractals are infinitely complex geometric patterns that are self-similar across different scales. The fact that Elsa not only knows this term but understands the concept is remarkable for the film's time period, which is set in the mid-19th century (1840s).
During that era, the mathematical study of fractals was in its absolute infancy, explored only by a handful of pioneering mathematicians.
The term "fractal" itself wasn't even coined until 1975 by Benoît Mandelbrot. Elsa’s intuitive grasp and practical application of a concept so far ahead of her time strongly suggest a genius-level intellect.
Based on her demonstrated skills, it is reasonable to estimate that Elsa's IQ would fall within the genius range, likely 140-160 or even higher.
Her intelligence is also multifaceted.
Logical-Mathematical Intelligence, This is her most prominent trait.
Her ability to apply fractal geometry and physics principles instantly to build a stable, massive castle is nothing short of brilliant.
Spatial-Visual Intelligence: Elsa acts as an "instant architect." She can visualize complex three-dimensional structures in her mind and bring them into existence with perfect symmetry and proportion. Her creation of the ice palace, with its grand staircase, chandeliers, and intricate patterns, showcases spatial reasoning skills on par with master architects and engineers.
Rapid Learning Ability (Autodidact): By teaching herself everything she needed to know to rule a kingdom from books alone, she demonstrated an immense capacity for absorbing and processing complex information across various fields (politics, economics, history and science) without a mentor. (I remember seeing her studying alone with tall building of books on the table in A Sister like Me i guess)
In conclusion, Elsa is unconsciously portrayed as a character with an intellect far surpassing the average human. Her magic serves as the tool to express her brilliant mind.
Don’t forget the ice sextant she made for that little girl in the Christmas short. It looks like she concentrated to make it a working model.
She was doing formulas in her head while creating her ice palace lol
So, she also gotta concentrated in that sextant so it can work not just ice.
So I was researching Frozen, which I had completely forgotten because I had watched it as a kid. And now, I just wanna say, I am so glad that THE ACT OF TRUE LOVE was Elsa hugging Anna and not Kristoff's kiss
The act was Anna sacrificing herself, not the hug...
I've always seen it as a two-part equation where Elsa's love was just as critical.
One point about the blizzard, when Hans tells her Anna is "dead," her grief is so overwhelming that the storm just stops. Her magic has always reacted to her feelings.
So, it follows that while Anna performed the "act of true love" to save Elsa, the actual thaw was triggered by Elsa's own heart. Her grief and her hug were her finally choosing love over fear. They saved each other.
On another note, I'm convinced Kristoff's kiss would have failed too even if he got there in time. The movie was clearly subverting the "true love's kiss" trope.
What he and Anna had was a budding romance of only a couple of days or 48 hours. It was sweet, but it wasn't the foundational, self-sacrificial love that the curse required. The story's most profound love was always between Anna and Elsa.
I don't think so, because it all was about the act. Crying and hugging is not acting.
It was about Anna herself, what she was doing for others, not what others do for her; about her loving and learning what true love was(remember how Olaf asked if she knew anything about love) not about being loved. She saved herself, that's what differs her from other princesses, not only because it wasn't a kiss but because she did the saving act. The script is clear:
Elsa: You sacrificed yourself for me?
Anna: I love you. [Olaf's face lights up as he realizes what saved Anna]
Olaf: An act of true love will thaw a frozen heart!
To think that Elsa crying over Anna saved her is to make BatB out of Frozen.
The same issue is with some thinking that the Mist parted because Anna and Elsa hold hands. No, it parted before Elsa's magic because it was the same magic of Nature. Anna and Elsa can do things separately. Some want the sisters to do everything together in a too literal sense.
That's a totally valid reading of the script, and I get why you see it that way. Anna's agency is a huge part of what makes the story so powerful, and nobody's trying to take that away from her.
For me, though, the visual storytelling is just as important as the dialogue. We spend the entire movie learning one crucial rule: Elsa's magic is a direct, unfiltered reaction to her emotions.
When she's scared, it snows. When she's angry, it creates ice spikes. And when she's consumed by grief after Hans tells her Anna is "dead," the entire blizzard comes to a dead stop. Her magic responded to her heartbreak.
So when Olaf says, "An act of true love will thaw a frozen heart," I see a beautiful symmetry. Anna performs the act by sacrificing herself, proving she understands true love. That act saves her from the curse.
But what thaws the kingdom and brings her back from a solid ice statue? It's Elsa's own magic, finally unleashed by pure, unconditional love instead of fear. It's not a Beauty and the Beast situation where one person's love saves another; it's a reciprocal circuit.
Anna saved herself with her act, and Elsa saved Anna (and everyone else) with her love.
Your point about the Mist in Frozen II actually reinforces this for me.
The Mist was Nature's magic and it parted in response to Anna's action of destroying the dam.
The eternal winter was Elsa's magic, so it stands to reason it needed Elsa's own emotional resolution to be undone.
But hey, that's just how I see the magic and the themes connecting. In the end, it's a story about two sisters saving their world together.
However you interpret the mechanics of that, the core message is the same. I just say my opinion.
Mine the only true reading 😗 because Anna's thawing happened before the kingdom's, it's two different things. Her getting frozen solid is the curse and her thawing is the salvation from the curse(the curse from within, not the outside curse Elsa put on the land). Actually Anna's act indirectly thawed the Kingdom as well, since only it helped Elsa to stop fearing, and that's when her emotions calmed and came into action.
Elsa: Love will thaw... [she looks at Anna] Love. Of course. [she looks at her hands]
Anna: Elsa?
Elsa: Love!
[Elsa raises her arms and suddenly the ice on the fjord starts to melt, beneath their feet]
The mist parting I was refering to, is the beginning of the movie when they first got into the EF. There was a theory that it let them in because the sisters hold hands.
..I just say that was my opinion but okay.
Since you’ve clearly got the One True Reading of the film, let me see if I understand. You’re saying that Anna’s act of love creates a magic separate from Elsa’s that thaws her from the inside out.and then, as a little side effect, that inspires Elsa to figure her own stuff out and thaw the kingdom.
So in the climax of a story entirely about Elsa learning to control her emotionally-driven magic, you believe the final, most powerful act of that magic…isn't actually performed by her?
That she just has a realization and the kingdom-wide winter she created just…fixes itself because Anna did something heroic over there?
You literally quoted the part where Elsa has the epiphany. “Love. Of course.”
That’s the activation phrase. That’s her figuring out the password to her own powers. Anna’s sacrifice was the key, but Elsa was the one who had to turn it in the lock. It’s a circuit. One doesn’t work without the other.
To say Anna’s thawing is a completely separate event from Elsa’s magic is to ignore the entire visual language of the scene where the thaw radiates out from Elsa the second she understands.
And respectfully, bringing up a fan theory about the mists in the sequel to explain the core magical mechanics of the first movie is a choice. (And I bring up mine.)
But you know what, you’re right. My bad. 🤷♀️💁♀️🙋♀️🙋♂️🤷
Anna's sacrificial act creates a salvation for herself. "There is no greater love than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends".
The curse of Frozen Heart is not the same as the Eternal Winter, both being of Elsa's doing. The act of true love is what saves Anna from the frozen heart, the act is not Thawing Anna plus Thawing the kingdom.
Thawed metaphorically by Anna's love, Elsa calms down and realises how to thaw the Kingdom, the quote explains this. Elsa does this but only after Anna has thawed herself by the act of true love. It's not a "little side effect", it's Elsa finally getting how to do this by her own power which was dreaming inside.
I wonder how you imagine Elsa, whose magic is tied to her emotions as you said, in the severe distress and desperation she was during the crying over the ice statue scene thawing Anna as well as the Kingdom. She was "radiating" grief and death not salvation at that particular moment. That's the visual and textual image of the movie.
So, returning to the beginning, Elsa didn't save Anna. Anna saved herself, and by this helped Elsa to save the Kingdom. F1 is Anna's movie. I brought the F2 moment to show how some fans' desire to make the sisters do everything together literally affects their understanding. You say that the act of true love was of Anna and Elsa together, I prove that it's not true, it was of Anna. Those fans said the mist let them in because of their togetherness I argued that it's not true, that was of Elsa.
I understand your interpretation and it’s clear you’ve thought deeply about the symbolism and mechanics of the scene, but I think we’re just looking at it from different angles.
When I say Anna and Elsa’s acts are interconnected, I’m not denying that Anna’s sacrifice is what breaks her own curse. I’m saying the meaning of that sacrifice love is what allows Elsa to understand and channel her power differently.
The two events aren’t mechanically “the same act,” but they are emotionally and thematically linked. That’s the storytelling point I was making.
You describe Elsa’s grief in that moment as incompatible with salvation but that’s actually what makes her realization so powerful. It’s through grief and loss that she remembers love.
The “Of course, love” moment isn’t detached from Anna’s act; it’s caused by it. The thaw radiating outward from Elsa isn’t an accident, it’s a visual expression of her emotional change (in my opinion.)
Also, I don’t really see why “other fans” need to be brought into this. I never said anything about fan theories or collective readings, I was just sharing my own personal interpretation. It’s totally fine if we disagree, but let’s keep it about the text and not other people’s preferences.
There’s nothing wrong with fans who love the sisters’ bond or interpret their magic as something shared that’s part of what makes these films resonate with different people.
So yeah, we clearly read the scene differently. But that doesn’t make one interpretation the “true” one just two perspectives finding meaning in the same story.
The Original Poster said they are glad the Act of True Love was Elsa's hugging Anna. The OP implied that Elsa saved Anna.
I proved, it's not "an interpretation", that the Act of True Love was Anna sacrificing herself. Yes, the act of love such as this is stronger than Elsa's magic.
That's all. There's no Elsa in this as well as Kristoff and Hans. No tears, no regrets, no kneeling before the ice statue could save Anna, only herself by the most unselfish act. Elsa did not channel her powers in thawing Anna.
I mean, you’re not wrong about Anna’s sacrifice being an act of true love no one’s arguing against that. It’s a valid and beautiful interpretation and I’ve never said otherwise.
But the way you keep insisting it’s the only correct one makes it sound like you’re trying to win something rather than discuss it.
There’s really no need to get so defensive or to “prove” anything here. It’s a movie, it’s meant to be read in different ways, that’s part of why people connect with it. I’ve shared how I see it, you’ve shared yours and that’s totally fine.
And seriously, there’s nothing wrong with how the original poster saw it either. The OP isn’t denying Anna’s sacrifice, they’re just seeing it through other lens or lens that includes Elsa’s emotional journey too. Nothing wrong with that, seriously.
The OP simply shared that they liked the idea of Elsa’s hug being the other Act of True Love and there’s honestly nothing wrong with that. It’s a sweet and valid interpretation, just like yours is.
People connect with Frozen in different ways, and that’s part of what makes the film so lasting.
Some focus on Anna, some on Elsa, some on both and none of that takes away from anyone else’s understanding.
And honestly, why drag Tangled into this? Different movie, different magic system. It’s kind of unnecessary to use another film just to “disprove” someone else’s reading.
So I think that’s where I’ll leave it. I’m not interested in turning this into a back-and-forth about who’s “right.” Enjoy your interpretation, seriously. Just remember, others are allowed to have theirs too.
Take care, dear 🙆♀️
They said it's a "double action".
Anna sacrifices herself for Elsa, saving her.
Elsa's love thaws Anna (hugging her) who is completely iced.
Elsa would be dead without Anna.
Anna would be dead without Elsa.
I mean...it's on video. ;)
It’s genuinely wild to me that years later we’re still seeing posts trying to pit the sisters against each other.
The whole point of the story is their bond and yet…you have people who diminish Anna’s journey the girl who ran headfirst and unarmed into a blizzard, faced down monsters and literally sacrificed her life out of pure love because she’s not the one with the flashy ice powers.
And you have people who call Elsa selfish and cold, completely ignoring the decades of trauma, fear and isolation she endured while trying to protect the one person she loved most from her own dangerous power.
They are two sides of the same heroic coin.
Elsa’s heroism is internal. It’s about conquering fear, accepting your true self and learning that you are worthy of love despite your perceived flaws.
Anna’s heroism is external. It’s about unwavering faith in others, the courage to do the next right thing even when you’re terrified, and the strength of a love that can thaw a frozen heart.
This is how some Anna stans be, acting like Elsa did nothing but sit in a castle and mope. And this is how some Elsa stans be, acting like Anna is just a naive sidekick who gets in the way.
You’re BOTH missing the point. They needed each other. They saved each other. End of story.
You don’t need to tear one down to build the other up. It’s okay to have one you relate to more.
Just say you have a favorite.
It’s really not that deep.
I absolutely agree with you.
We should celebrate them together. This is why i dont understand who wants them apart…one in the castle and the other in the forest.
It’s obvious it’s just an excuse to try to substitute Elsa with K in Anna’s life and it’s wrong for this franchise and also stupid. I mean, just be honest and go talk about one of the many Disney movies where the heterosexual couple is the focus. Not the ONLY one about sisters!
That said…I do have a favorite too obviously, Elsa, but I recognize Anna’s importance and talents.
Hi, have you already seen the new short? (It’s on yt from yesterday) I don’t think the cast is original though.
I did.
I kind of liked it, I mean...nothing special, but Elsa was still adorable, Anna was a dork, so...all is well I guess.
The only thing I didn't like is how "everything is Elsa's fault, again", cause I'm getting tired of that.
But I loved how taller Elsa was compared to Anna, I loved their outfits, and...almost everything.
A small little thing, but nothing bad with it.
Yeah and I don't think that's the original cast either.
You know what would be very funny? if at the end of Zootopia 2 Nick and Judy have to separate becuase you know, Jennifer Lee
I totally expect that to happen. LOL
Let’s ruin this franchise too with the old separation trope.
Frozen Fan Fest 2025 will have new merch with new dresses for Elsa and Anna, something about animals, i think you even posted the dolls coming, but i investigated more and there is nothing about an animated short, yet, the prior short was realsed with much fanfare too so there is hop
I've just reblogged a post with all the infos, check it out! :) I had no idea so....I'll go with the detailed explanation we got :)
I´m so glad we get Frozen content not set after F2 but im tired of the same "Elsa and Anna reconnect after the coronation and they celebrate their first xxx in years". Let me see Elsa as queen and Anna as her right hand solving a problem together
YES. THIS.
All I want is to see Queen Elsa and Princess Anna.
