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So this is one of those situations where a writer really, REALLY had no idea what kind of book he was making. This page is from the issue of Booster Gold v2, where Booster goes back in time to save Barbara Gordon from being paralyzed by the Joker. He tries dozens, hundreds of times, and never succeeds. In the end, Rip Hunter tells him that this is because that moment, where Barbara ceases to be Batgirl and starts on her path to being Oracle, is a fixed point in time. It can never be changed…just like Ted’s death at the hands of Maxwell Lord. The main goal of the series up until now, Booster’s only real reason as to why he agreed to become a time master, is saving Ted. He will go to any lengths to save Ted. He ends up tearing the universe asunder, with only a supreme sacrifice at the hands of the man himself, in his attempts to save Ted.
This book was gay as hell. This book was the blueprint for a lot of people who got into Boostle in the late aughts/early 2010s. And Geoff Johns has stated time and time again that he didn’t write it that way, that he didn’t see it that way, that by revealing that Rip Hunter is actually Booster’s son, it could never BE that way-
Dude. My guy.
It always reminded me of the Birds of Prey “call me Barbara” scene, between Babs and Black Canary. Chuck Dixon, the writer of the series at the time, was notoriously homophobic. Yet this is also the guy that set the stage for characters like Tim Drake and Connor Hawke to be written as queer later on and it made perfect sense for them, as characters. Straight, cis writers (of both the male and female varieties) end up writing some of the gayest stories, the most ROMANTIC queer dialogue, the LEAST heterosexual panels in comic history…completely by accident. Love that for us, keep it up y’all.
I managed to snag the thadthawne username on Hive so like. My city now.
Thad Thawne is something that can be so personal
Tried to make myself a pin on Zazzle, but Zazzle told me it was forbidden 😔 no emo allowed
I made this into a shirt instead
Tried to make myself a pin on Zazzle, but Zazzle told me it was forbidden 😔 no emo allowed
-drops this TikTok I made about Thad Thawne, featuring a collage I made when he died back in 2008-
there are times when i miss you but i think things might have been left alone for too long... just know that i hope you’re doing well and i hope you’re happy <3
I have a feeling I know who this is and if I'm way off, I apologize.
I think about you all the time. We were best friends for over 6 years on multiple platforms. We texted, spoke, or messaged every day. I went to visit you. And then you stopped talking to me. I don't know what I did, though I still do wonder about it. I miss you.
At the same time, my life went on. I moved out of Broward, and away from my shitty mum. I started doing the thing I'd been wanting to for years. I'm building a life and a career for myself, in a home of my own that I don't have to share with anyone if I don't want to. I'm still with Varun. I still talk to Elle almost every day, even though they moved to Cali. Losing you forced me to become better friends with other people in my life, and I'm a more well-rounded person because of it.
I hope your transition proceeded at the pace you wanted. I hope you got your name change. I hope you and your brother are doing well. I hope your life is in a positive place, and that you're surrounded by people that care about you.
I'll always miss you, because you were a huge part of my life for a good chunk of it. I don't go on Gaia much anymore, but my phone number is still the same.
TumblrFrostbite's Questions: Do you see Thad Thawne being introduce as Eobard Thawne's son on "The Flash" someday? Do you also think he'll be more or less the newest Big Bad of a new season of that series?
Oh, hell no. I fell off with the Flash show 2 seasons ago, so I’m not exactly hip to what’s going on (nor do I care, sorry), but I can tell you with 100% certainty, no one in the production office gives enough of a shit about Inertia to bring him into the show in even a format as incorrect as that.
Besides, Thad was one of Bart’s villains, and it’s pretty obvious that we’re not getting him for a long time. We only just got a brotherless, time-traveling Dawn Allen stand-in, after all.
Not sure when I made this post, but the news that Bart’s going to be in season 7 of The Flash dropped a few weeks back and
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Welcome to my 10,000th essay on why Bart Allen shouldn’t have become Kid Flash or the Flash, where I retread the same arguments I’ve been making for the last 16 years.
Sigh.
Honestly, this is all coming about yet again because I find myself incapable of not arguing with people on the internet. “Becoming Kid Flash, and then the Flash, was a natural progression. Yeah it happened a bit fast, but it was gonna happen anyway, because he’s an Allen, he’s gonna end up as the Flash eventually.” Or he could not???
Bart has…a complicated relationship with his lineage. His grandmother couldn’t raise him, as she wasn’t really equipped to raise a hyper-fast toddler-turned-teenager for some reason, despite raising the Tornado Twins on her own. Then again, it was implied that Don and Dawn didn’t come into their superspeed until they were older, but who knows. His cousin Wally West didn’t want to be responsible for him. So Bart went to Max Mercury instead, who taught him the finer points of using his speed, and the best way to be a hero without sacrificing his own sense of self. Max could get irritated with Bart sometimes, a lot, but he also understood that his Impulse identity was something that was his.
By the time Bart came along, Wally had made the Flash identity his own. Yeah, we still had Jay Garrick zipping about, but Wally wasn’t acting like he was running in Barry’s shadow all the time anymore. Wally West was The Flash and based on their rocky relationship, Bart had no desire to be his sidekick, to be Kid Flash. He spent a lot of time being very adamant about not wanting to be Kid Flash. There’s still a lot of mystery over whether Bart becoming Kid Flash was decided by Geoff Johns (who made the switch in the 2003 Teen Titans series) or Dan Didio (vice-president and editor at DC at the time), as the blame seems to shift based on who is telling it. Meanwhile Marc Guggenheim, writer of the second half of Bart’s Flash series, Flash: Fastest Man Alive, has always said that editorial instructed him to kill off Bart at the end of his 5-issue run on the book and never deviated from the story, so I’m inclined to believe him.
In any case, Bart becoming Kid Flash was an attempt to re-brand him as a “legitimate” sidekick and part of the Flash family, and maybe it was just Geoff Johns’ innate dislike of Bart as a character, but all his Johns-penned appearances after he made the switch dropped everything that made him unique and appealing. And then he was aged up in Infinite Crisis and Flash: Fastest Man Alive happened, and it got even worse. Which is definitely why the decision was made to kill him off, there were too many abrupt character changes in way too short a time, and they needed to do damage control, so they just decided to shake the Etch-a-Sketch.
A big part of the other person’s argument was how the other holdover legacies from Young Justice were growing up, so obviously it was time for Bart to grow up too, right? To which I argue: he was already growing up. Bart had gone through a lot of personal growth (much of it brought on by trauma) in a very short amount of time: Max almost dying while Inertia kept him imprisoned in a VR simulation for weeks and impersonating him, watching his Scout die on Apokolips, losing Carol to the future, getting Carol back in time to lose Max to Rival’s possession, getting laid out by Indigo, nearly getting killed by the Superman robot, watching Donna and Lilith die…this sort of stuff changes a person. Bart had already learned to stop following his id and actually think things through (see: that time he figured out that he would be able to get out of the Impulse-proof bubble if he dressed up as Kid Flash and exchanged places with a Scout), even if he still rushed into danger, he wasn’t doing it as much. Bart Allen was maturing and, if put in the hands of a better writer, he would have continued to do so without losing his individuality, his bright personality, or his ADHD. As @skittering-roach once put it, “Bart was such good ADHD representation, but Johns tried to cure it with a bullet.”
The Johns version of growing up took the impulsiveness out of Impulse. He didn’t evolve into Kid Flash, he devolved into a blander version of what he already was. He didn’t get more mature, just less interesting. Bart under better pens was someone who loved the idea of superheroics running in his family, but still wanted to be his own person. Never forget, Batman giving Bart his name was a retcon, he decided what his superhero identity would be. Wally may have given him the idea, but Bart was the one that owned it.
Bart’s creator, Mark Waid, was always of the mind that turning Bart into Kid Flash was a bad idea, and he’s said even Geoff Johns agreed with him on the matter after a while. Here’s a quote from an interview Waid did around that time: “ In terms of sales they had on the first issue and the sales they posted by the fifth or sixth issues, it was just a crashing, crashing disaster. It was one of the most disastrous, embarrassing launches in DC history. And we were all “ I’m not trying to sound all “I told you so,” because it broke our hearts because we loved that character “ but we warned them. We told them, “Don’t do that, it won’t work.” Sure enough, six issues in, they realized they had a mess of a series they couldn’t make work, no matter what. At that point, Dan DiDio called me up, a courtesy call, and said, “So we’re going to kill Bart. I just thought I should let you know.” My honest feeling at that point was like, “Dude, you killed Bart years ago.” [mutual laughter] “That’s so not Bart in that suit. I don’t care. Everything in comics is cyclical. Bart’ll be back eventually at some point anyway so, sure, go ahead and put the bullet through his head. I don’t care.” I figured Bart would be better off dead than misunderstood and mishandled. ” Yikes.
Flash: FMA was a disaster of a series from start to finish. Everyone was OOC, there were retcons abound (do not get me started about the retcons involving the Rogues, I will not stop), and it really felt like the first half of the series was trying to give Bart his own Return of Barry Allen moment, where he would feel like the Flash, and it never happened. Instead, he spent issues scared to use his powers, reluctant to help people, and almost totally willing to let his suddenly superpowered roommate be the “hero” the city needed. Awful. And that’s before we bring up the shoehorned romance with Carol Bucklen 2.0, Valerie Perez. The character was not given enough time to be his Linda Park, his Iris West, so it’s not really a surprise that she resonated with exactly no one and has never been brought up again since the finale. I can’t even remember seeing her at his funeral, which Countdown dedicated an entire issue to. And that was the end of Bart Allen.
Until he was brought back as the being in the lightning rod that the Legion went back in time to retrieve during The Lightning Saga, in Legion of Three Worlds.
(I have an entire other decade-long beef with the decision to have the Rogues murder Inertia in Rogues’ Revenge while bringing back Bart in Legion of Three Worlds, as it felt like a big “we have gotten rid of everything that might remind you of Flash: FMA, please love us again” move and frankly, if I may be a toddler for a moment, it was stupid and I hated it.)
The post-resurrection Bart era was handled really poorly, to say the least. He appeared in Flash: Rebirth and the Brightest Day Flash series with a drastically different personality, one that reminded me of Wally in New Teen Titans for how snitty he was over the weirdest things. The books never actually tried to have him properly reconnect with Max Mercury, instead having him try to become Barry’s sidekick, only to get rebuffed at every turn because his grandfather, for some reason, has no desire to spend any time getting to know him. We had four years between Legion of Three Worlds and Kid Flash Lost, and absolutely nothing of any big importance was done with Bart in that time. But between George Perez drawing his big return and Nicola Scott drawing him over in Teen Titans, at least he looked good???
Another big change that came when Bart became Kid Flash was the…I dunno, sheer number of artists who where drawing him to look like Wally? He kept looking older, with green eyes and red hair and I hated it so much. I loved Nicola Scott’s version of Bart from the latter half of the Teen Titans series because he actually looked like a 16/17 year old? Groundbreaking! And the colorist actually gave him gold eyes?! Miraculous! But his hair continued to have that weird Wallyish red tint up until Kid Flash Lost hit.
I guess that’s also why the whole Bar Torr thing in the New 52 Teen Titans drove me so nuts? Because his personality, at least at the very beginning, was somewhat reminiscent of how Bart used to be (running head-on into danger without considering the consequences, not fully understanding what he can do as a speedster) and maybe even more importantly to me at the time, his eyes were gold and his hair was brown again! I need to point out: I had really low standards for what I was willing to accept in 2011. But then…literally everything else about the New 52 Teen Titans series happened and it was just like. Okay. This is a different guy. Bart is gone forever, this is fine. I can do whatever I want with him, my city now. And then my city was burned to the ground by BMB with his new shitty Young Justice series and I just. We can’t win.
Bart under Johns? An attempt at maturity undercut by the idea that he still had to be the childish, jokey character. Bart under Bendis? Complete regression to a version of Impulse that never actually existed. Bart is not nor has he ever been a LOL RANDOM character. Even when he thought in pictures, he wasn’t like this.
There’s a joke among comic fans that goes yeah, this is my favorite character. I hate everything they’ve ever been in. And it rings true for a lot of people, because they’ll love the potential a character shows, then get upset when the creative team never lets that character reach it. I don’t hate everything Bart has been in as Kid Flash. The Return of Donna Troy, one of the few mid-2000s Titans things GJ had no hand in, characterized Bart as compassionate and brave, the heart of the Teen Titans. He showed up in an issue of Action Comics, helping Kon and Cassie protect Smallville from Magog. He’s brattier in this one, more reminiscent of the Bart we saw in Young Justice and the earlier half of his solo series, but he’s more recognizably Bart than anything we were getting in Teen Titans at that time. Post-resurrection, I liked the issue of Superboy he was in, where the two of them raced. Kid Flash Lost, the Sterling Gates Bart ongoing we were promised and then denied, was the best we were going to get in a post-Flash: Rebirth, impending Flashpoint landscape, but I still wish he’d been allowed to take on the Teen Titans in the New 52, instead of Scott Lobdell. See? Not entirely a hater.
Bart could have grown into anything. That’s the thing about young heroes, they can absolutely change identities without becoming their predecessors. Wally West was the exception in this respect, not the rule. Dick Grayson went from Robin to Nightwing, Roy Harper from Speedy to Arsenal, Donna Troy from Wonder Girl to Troia…Bart didn’t need to become Kid Flash to signal he was maturing. In the long line of 90s legacy heroes, Impulse was one of the only really different ones. He didn’t take on someone else’s name and suit, he didn’t even fall into superheroics on purpose.
I guess the long-winded point I’ve been trying to make is, Impulse Bart Allen? Good character. Unique, an individual, very ahead of his time (not unusual for a kid born a thousand years in the future). Kid Flash Bart Allen? Had potential that went completely unmet, came about in the worst way possible, suddenly Very Horny For No Reason. Flash Bart Allen? No thank you, never happened.
We could have had it all, but instead, we got 16 years of confusing, unsettling, outright upsetting messes, one after another. Thanks, DC.
this reminded me of this page of Eobard (in Barry’s body) looking him dead in the eye and essentially saying “your character arc/progression makes no sense and parts of it were awful”
Pfft, I met Williamson once and gave him my social media info, maybe he read this post last year.
I WILL NOT BE FIGHTING JOSHUA WILLIAMSON IN THE PIT THIS DAY
Okay now that I’ve gotten that burst of manic energy out of my system, a confession:
I haven’t read a Flash comic since the end of the Trickster arc which was...30 issues ago. I have no idea what anyone is doing anymore. What’s Bart up to? Who knows. Wally and Wallace are...somewhere. Avery seems to be around in this arc again, I did glimpse her. But literally all it took was someone saying “hey, Thad is in a comic that came out today” and I lost my goddamn mind. Because I mean, it’s more than just him BEING HERE, which honestly would have been enough for me in 2015. Hell, it would have been enough in 2010.
But for him to be here and for a character DC actually cares about to say to Thad “your future isn’t set in stone, you don’t have to follow the shitty path that was laid out for you”...that’s amazing, that’s my heart clenching in my chest. That’s the kind of thing we wanted to have happen all the way back in 2000, that’s the kind of thing I never expected to see.
I have been saying, for the majority of my life at this point, I’ve been saying, that teen villains whose backstory is “we were raised to believe this, we were placed on the road to great evil from the start”...they don’t have to be like that. Especially clone characters like Thad. “I’m going to live out my creator’s wishes because I don’t know what else to do or how else to live” slowly morphing into “I’m going to live out my creator’s wishes in my own way, because I like everyone else that my most hated enemy is connected to and I want to still live among them and be loved as my own person” was such a good idea, executed so heartbreakingly that it’s like. Of course this character has stuck with me all this time. Of course I’m 30 years old and, having suffered through Thad’s character being mangled and his subsequent murder, I’m so excited to see him, the real him, again after all this time.
It’s so wild that I’ve loved this incredibly minor character who got NO respect on his name for SO long (over 20 years at this point) and now I get to see all these other, younger people on the internet finding him for the first time and reading Mercury Falling for backstory and getting upset that he’s been put through such a ringer for NO good reason and I just. Hey guys, nice to meet y’all.
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Hi I just read Heroes in Crisis #7 (don't read that thing it sucks) and I had a terrifying moment of shipping Harley and Booster so if you wouldn't mind sharing some Boostle headcanons so I can regain my sanity that would be much appreciated
Oh fuck no, that’s horrible, I’m so sorry you had to go through that (both Heroes in Crisis and the het bullshit). BOOSTLE AWAY:
Booster still has the life-support armor Ted built him, tucked away in a storage locker in Gotham City. He’s pretty sure he’s never gonna need it again, but you never know. After Ted…is no longer around, along with the Bug, his old armor is the only 100% Ted-built thing he has left.
(Justice Riders-verse) Finding himself run out of Alabama, Booster tries to get the gang back together. He makes the mistake of starting with Beetle, who convinces Booster to go in with him on a new oddities shop; Beetle makes the devices, Booster is the store’s face and voice. It works too well, and they become big enough successes that those who’d use Beetle’s devices for crime come rolling in. Beetle takes a bullet to the shoulder for Booster during a shootout, and it’s about that time that Booster realizes that no, he couldn’t actually live without this brave and dashing weirdo he’s come to adore.
(Injustice-verse) Ted said that Booster found them a few years in the middle, and as the oxygen leaves his brain, Booster remembers.
He remembers awkwardly going to another one of Ted’s office functions, dressed-down for a change, and still getting recognized. “I promised to give him something cool to endorse if he showed up!“ Ted backpedaled, his hand on the small of Booster’s back, the soft rub of a thumb over the bumps of his spine all the apology Booster was gonna get until later.
He remembers Ted laughing at Guy’s bachelor party, a dancer dressed up like Booster Gold perched on his knee. “You know if Bea ever finds out that there’s official JLI stripper gear and they’re not paying her royalties, everyone at this party is toast, right?” Booster waved off the Blue Beetle dancer, sending her over to Ted. “Yup, which is why we’re only taking pictures of you. Say cheese, Teddy!”
He remembers sitting with Ted in his apartment, at a loss for words. “I know you’re not my Booster, which means that something terrible has happened to me when you’re from. Do you know, then? How much I-” But he can’t be allowed to say it, just like Booster can’t be allowed to hear it. He knows. But saying it would make this Ted too brave, and the past can’t be changed. They get a single moment, a single kiss before Booster sends Ted off, to be with his future self in his final moments. It wasn’t so long ago that he said his own final goodbye, Ted deserved to do the same.
It was a universal constant, the two of them.
No matter the timeline, the Earth in the Multiverse, the Booster and the Beetle, every Booster loves every Ted. There’s a place out there, somewhere, where they’re allowed to be together, to be happy, Booster is sure of it. And even though he knows he’s breaking every rule of the temporal code, he plans to meet them all, the Boosters that got left behind, the Teds that haven’t yet gone away. Booster lost his Ted, their time is over. But these others…they still have a chance. He’ll make sure of it.
Always love to see people finding out about, and subsequently falling in love with, the very concept of Thad Thawne. Warms the cockles of me heart.
oh...
ever find a pic of a boy you met at a con once in 2006 while you were both in really shitty cosplay and both of you were dating someone else but you connected on a weirdly spiritual level so you traded numbers despite the fact that neither of you had a cell phone and he lived in tampa so the only way you could talk was on the land line which you did for HOURS every other day and after a year he told you he loved you but not in a romantic way and you felt the same and then one day his phone line disconnected and never worked again and you never traded email addresses or last names so the only proof he ever even existed is in a single photograph in a photobucket album called "convention pictures"?
haha yeah me neither...
Happy Birthday Nova!!! 😍🎂💕💖🥳 I’m so glad I was blessed enough to meet you at Supercon and I’m so glad we’ve been able to be friends and talk about what we love (hate) about the current state of comic books LOL I hope you have an amazing year ahead of you!!
And a belated happy birthday to YOU, Kara! It’s always wild that I have so many birthday twins I’m in contact with. Lotta people getting laid between June 10th and June 15th of the previous year, mmhm.
You’re gonna come out of the trash fire that is 2020 shining like tempered steel, hon <3