[!If you consume this content, please be aware that Vivziepop is not a good person and does not pay her animators fair wages! (This isn't even close to the worse thing she's done)]
When you came to hell, he was obsessed
He doesn't usually care for sinners, but you're just... different
Now, when you first met him, you were shocked by how short he was
"You're Lucifer?"
"Yes," He sticks his chest out in pride, while you look him up and down. He raises an eyebrow at your lack of reaction, "What?"
"You're short."
He's taken aback, his jaw nearly on the floor. "Maybe you're just tall."
"No, you're short... Like really short. I always... well, expected more"
He's annoyed and you both argue about it for a while before he changes the topic
He's charismatic and you're drawn in by that
It's a trap to force you into a relationship with him
He can jealous pretty easily
He wants you to worship and love him, so if you talk about someone else, he gets petty and pouty
Though, if anyone upsets him, he'll make sure that person is never seen again
He's protective over you and believe it or not, he wants you to be happy, even if you are in hell
He recommends you to his daughter's hotel [Although, you had no idea that he had a daughter]
Pretty awkward to be honest... She tries and talk to you, but it's clear she's uncomfortable, because Charlie believes you have a relationship with her father
When she asks you about it [When you're both alone obviously and you tell her to just talk to you about whatever is clearly on her mind] you are quick to blush, shaking your head and hands
"NO! No, no, no, no!" You then awkwardly laugh while continuing to shake your head and hands, while Charlie starts to awkwardly laugh and look around
"Yeah... haha"
When you both finally come down, it's even more awkward than before
"It's weird my father seems to have taken a real liking to you, especially since you're a sinner."
You look at her a little surprised, "Me?" You point to yourself, "You think he likes me?"
You look back at where Lucifer is and he's acting stupid, "Hmm... I don't know about that"
There's a part of him that hopes sinners can't get redeemed because if they can, that, means you can and that means you could leave him
He's scared you'll leave him and he does whatever it takes to keep you with him
He'll seem like he's helping you get to heaven, but by associating with him, you'll never be redeemed
Always stumbles over his words and internally facepalms
You have to approach him for a conversation- which is hard enough to do, since he's royalty- because he won't
Always awkwardly laughs when he doesn't know what to say
His father knows who you are because Octo [Male name] has talked about you
In fact, you are his favorite thing to talk about
Octo wants to kill himself when you meet his father, because his father embarrasses the hell out of him
"Oh, you're Y/n? I've heard so much about you. I must say, Octo's said you were pretty and I must agree."
"Oh my Satan, please take me now," Octo mumbles under his breath while trying not to cry
You blush, scratching the back of your neck, "Wow... I uh.. Didn't know he talked about me."
"Oh he talks about you so-"
"OkAY DaD! You can stop," Octo practically pushes his father away as he waves to you, but Stolas is still talking
"What? Did I say something wrong? Oh, I'm not embarrassing you in front of your crush am I?"
Let's just say, Octo keeps his father away from you until you two start dating
^ The funny thing about that, is that his father's words actually pushed your relationship [Though Octo would never admit it] into dating
"So..."
"So..."
"Do you really think I'm pretty?"
Octo's face goes a bright red, and he rubs the back of his neck not making eye contact with you, "You're so much more than just pretty," He then turns towards you, "You are beautiful like the stars in the sky. You shine like the moon on a dark night. You are warm like the fires of Hell that surround us. You are... Perfect."
^ Is a cheesy poetic
"Me? Perfect?" You barely whisper as your face is also now a bright red
No one had ever said such a thing to you, so you were flattered
He loves writing poetry for and about you, especially when you start dating
Can stare at you all day
He has a picture of you on his nightstand and on his desk. He loves to look at the pictures before going to bed, when he wakes up, and when heâs working on something while at his desk
You bring him some happiness in the eternal dread of his parents failing marriage
You mean everything to him and heâs sometimes scared heâs going to lose you
He still gets nervous around you, even when you're dating
He thinks you're just so incredible and to good for him, but thankfully you always make him feel so loved and warmed
Loves going out with you, but those fucking I.M.Ps always seem to be there to by 'Coincidence' but Octo knows that his father sent them
God, just saw a tiktok of people applauding Brandon Rogers for not saying the R slur in that one scene but stretching it out to âReally.â Like oh thank god he didnât say a slur!
Some of my âfavoriteâ comments are:
âcharacter development.â
âThat line is hilariousâ
âanother way around it just start speaking French and call someone slow can't do much when its another languageâ
âTHAT WAS HILARIOUS I LAUGHED SO HARDâ
ângl was disapointed they censored slurs like it's the whole point of the showâ
âThis is the best line in the whole show cuz it used to be socially acceptable now itâs not đđâ
âcontext: it used to be a diagnoses before people stared taking offenceâ
âFeels weird to make a joke about considering Blitz is in hell.â (Cont. âOk and? Iâm just saying it feels out of character for blitz to care what he can and canât say to people heâs insulting. But it doesnât matter igâ)
âItâs cause he keeps getting cancelled ong. I love Blitzø so muchâ
âI get it bc of YouTube but it's hell I don't think anyone would care if he said it đâ
âchronically onlineâ (To someone saying â I was really about to comment a paragraph and unsub but he didnât say itđđâ)
âokay snowflake i'm sure they would listen to one sad little sensitive person. i like the r slur jokesâ (Reply to the same person from above)
âBrother they live in hellâ (My personal favorite)
âPeople on the internet when an adult show has offensive content: đ¤Żâ
âSnowflakeâ
âthe r word gets you canceled :3â
âI don't get why he had to do that. I don't the word is that bad unless is has some bigger, worse meaning like the N wordâ
âHe was going to say (r slur) right?â
âbruh it's just a wordâ
âAs a autistic person I'm sad he doesn't say it no more. Since ya know. Demon and all lol đâ
If Character Development equals not saying the R slur to you then you need to look in and find out whatâs wrong with you.
TW: Visuals of Blackface, Trans erasure, Transphobia.
Well thenâŚ
Sure makes the fact that Vivziepop supported Blaire White, even if she doesnât want to admit that, had caused her to have internalized transphobia since EVERY trans character is pushed entirely into the background to the point of barely being visible or is only mostly there for fanservice (trans fetishisim) with no actual role yet at all, in the storyâŚ
Yeah⌠Vivziepopâs âI was NEVER transphobic I just liked Blaire because she was pretty! I didnât know that she was a transphobe even AFTER I already saw her transphobia but defended it as âa normal political discussionâ just because I didnât want to admit to the fact that I supported a transphobe so I pulled a âI forgor!â in my âapologyâ to pretend as if I didnât remember anything- when I clearly remembered the tweets that I was pretending that I âdidnâtâ see âyetâ enough for me to mention the âinsensitive tweetsâ that I âdidnât see until after I watched her and drew the fanart and realized my terrible mistake AFTER I watched her videos and saw her tweets AFTER I supported her!â like I said in my âapologyâ and instead saw WHILE I was watching Blaire White because I SUPPORTED HER for her transphobia, aka her entire channel, and pretended as if what she did was a âsimple political discussion to disagree withâ and ânotâ TRANSPHOBIA AND RACISM! Which means that I do remember supporting a transphobe, and her transphobia, but just dont want to admit it because REASONS!â that are in her apology hasnât aged well⌠hasnât itâŚ
(What Vivziepop actually said compared to what she said she âdidââŚ)
AKA: Vivziepop made a false apology, lying about what she did and weaponized her trauma again, writing an entire speech about âseeing things from all sides!â when she specifically supported transphobes, and didnât do this as a âperspective thingâ since she drew fanart of Blaire White, a transphobe, and actually saw the âinsensitive tweetsâ, not âafterâ she supported Blaire but WHILE she supported Blaire and even DEFENDED the existence of said tweets that she claims that she did ânotâ see at the time where she made said fanart. When all Blaire Whiteâs channel is, is transphobia anyway, so either way Viv couldnât cover up her own transphobia even if she tried. Her post directly defending the existence of transphobia by calling it a âpolitical discussion we âshould!â have (the âtrans are politics!â code word transphobes say to alienate people that are trans.) and saying that sheâs âallowed!â to support transphobes just because she doesnât âCATER!â to her audience. When letâs face it:
Whatâs worse than a past transphobe, is a past transphobe that refuses to admit to her past transphobia. A transphobe, that still has transphobia that she clearly has today due to the past influences that she refuses to own up to⌠which in itself: is transphobia.
When:
1. âPolitical Discussion that we should allow to exist! I DONT CARER TO U!â and being a bigot arenât the same thing. Transphobia isnât a simple political discussion Vivienne.
2. The way Vivziepop replied here very much implies that she knew about the transphobia in advance, which is why she got so defensive about it.
3. She already saw the âinsensitive tweetsâ, and cant make the âI FORGOR!â excuse anymore like she did after Hazbin came out when she clearly remembers what she responded to, despite lying and saying that she âdidnâtâ see those tweets at that point, when she clearly did and even SUPPORTED the existence of said tweets from some she drew fanart of and all mentioning those tweets did was blow her cover.
So all of this âI JUST WANTED TO SEE DIFFERENT SIDES!â speech about how âgood faith my simple mistake was!â was a total lie and she actually defended Blaire for said âinsensitive tweetsâ that she tries to deny that she saw at the time, when she defended the existence of these posts and tried to call transphobia and racism a âimportant discussionâ, which is transphobia.
She also tried to go âI DONT SUPPORT BLACK FACE!â as in âI NEVER SUPPORTED BLACK FACE!â when she clearly did, itâs right in the post that sheâs denying existed đ
When Blaireâs post says âBLAIRE BLACK!â in reference to the mask she was wearing AS blackface, and is clearly mocking Black Lives Matter, was posted in the BLM tag to harasss them- for being black: which is RACISM!
Blaire of course, denied all of this, and only showed the mask picture in her fake as all hell âapology!â video, and per usual, used misinformation to mislead her audience, but thatâs another post-full altogetherâŚ
So in a nutshell:
Vivziepop supported a transphobe and her transphobia, lied about it to make herself look âgood faithâ, which ironically, is worse for her reputation since that means that she denied what she actually did and never apologized for it, which means that she never apologized for how she treated the trans community, which still makes this a current action and something to currently hold accountable since she currently lied about it in her âapologyâ to make what she did look âgoos faithâ and outright denied being a transphobe at all, which means that she still supports this since she lied about it to make herself look âgoodâinstead of admitting to the fact that she supported a transphobe and a drew Nazi oc of a real Nazi scientist that tested on children.
-annnnnnnnnnd⌠she shoved all of her trans characters into the background and even ERASED a trans character just because he was directly on screen in HB Episode 5.
Hi! Are you comfortable writing for a hypermobile reader? I know not everyone is and Iâm hypermobile irl. Iâll be happy to answer any questions if needed.
imma be honest, I can write for it, but Iâm real life that shit grosses me out. Like when people pop out their shoulders and you can see the bone. Thatâs a no go from me
Unpopular Opinion: Stella's not a bad person or 'Villian,' she's just written poorly by a creator who favors her male characters. She is a victim of 'Let's make this Character A evil to make character B look better in comparison, even though in reality character B is just as shitty as Character A'
Yall excuse every other bad character's actions, but not Stella's? They're in hell, of course they're shitty ppl. Grow up and get your shit together. Pack all your shit in a bag, get it together, and take it somewhere. I don't care where, just out of my sight.
[Still don't like Vivziepop or condone her actions/beliefs]
I also want to mention when people being up some of the racism, homophobia, poorly written/executed SA, or whatever else people disagee with, people love to bring up 'Oh they're in hell, so of course they're going to be terrible people' when trying to make valid points, but when you use that counter argument, they say you're just being a baby or whatever
Small correction- antisemitic is one word, with no hyphen. If you hyphenate it it becomes the word that was coined to be favorable towards antisemitism.
It's fine, this is a really common one, just... letting you know. Sorry if I suck at this
Oh my apologies. I couldn't find the word antisemitic anywhere, for like describing the person. All I was getting was antisemitism. I'll have to fix that, thank you for informing me
Unpopular Opinion: Stella's not a bad person or 'Villian,' she's just written poorly by a creator who favors her male characters. She is a victim of 'Let's make this Character A evil to make character B look better in comparison, even though in reality character B is just as shitty as Character A'
Yall excuse every other bad character's actions, but not Stella's? They're in hell, of course they're shitty ppl. Grow up and get your shit together. Pack all your shit in a bag, get it together, and take it somewhere. I don't care where, just out of my sight.
[Still don't like Vivziepop or condone her actions/beliefs]
All due respect, you confuse me. You write some really good stories and head cannons for Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, but in skimming your blog I found the master list of tik toks pointing out all of the red flags within the two and other Vizipop works. While I definitely agree with you in most cases, I personally think that a lot of it is kinda the point of the story telling. Yes there's a lot of toxicity and phobia-ist, but it's meant to be analyzed for the depth of the characters and the growth they have along the series. Plus, ya know, it's all set in Hell. Can't expect that to reflect any form of healthy characteristics.
All arguments aside though, I can't tell if you hate or love these fandoms. Maybe you're just picking them apart like I am.
It's the CREATOR I do not like. I should of been more clear in my last post, but Vivziepop is antisematic [Hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people], though there are some themes in her show that I do not agree with either, and it's more so how she presents them, like making official merch on Angel Dust SA. I think for every terrible, racist, sexist, homophobic, etc, comment or plot in her show, actually shows truth to how she truly feels. She doesn't handle these topics with care and it can be quite offensive. Also there is no growth in Hazbin Hotel, because there's only one episode, so you can't say those characters have developed, and Hazbin Hotel, in my opinion has not developed any positive attribitues, expect for the one straight couple who are actually non-toxic?
While I did like these shows the animator and even the voice actors, I don't feel right supporting an antisematic person. It's also very frustrating that no ones talking about the fact that she used to draw fanart of 'Hitler-like' food and everyone just 'loves' her. I wrote that, because Helluva Boss is trending because of the new episode release, and I just want people to be informed on who they are watching and what they are supporting. You can still watch it I suppose, but you should be aware of the actions of those who make things you love.
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