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I'm thinking of getting this for my next tattoo #vorpalblade #madnessreturns #americanmcgeesalice #aliceinwonderlandtattoo
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Angel’s death, to me, was sadder than Roland’s. She spent her life being manipulated, hooked up to a drug that she could not live without, isolated from the world, and forced to do her father’s work. I mean, he even yells at her when she TRIES to make her own choices. She never had a chance, because of Handsome Jack. Her own father killed her. And that’s sadder than Roland being shot by a known murderer.
“I can understand why Jack was such a bad guy to many people but playing through Borderlands 2 and the pre-sequel made me like the guy and made me feel like he was very misunderstood.”
Okay, lemme be honest with you. You can like a character and not agree with the things they’ve done. And Handsome Jack is a perfect example of this. Sorry if this gets a little long but I feel this needs to be said. Also spoilers for the Pre-Sequel. I’ve played though all the games multiple times, at least twice fully, and I feel fully comfortable to say that there is absolutely nothing to misunderstand when it comes to Handsome Jack. In Borderlands 2, Handsome Jack was made to be a villain, and in my eyes he is the perfect one. He is a villain that you absolutely love to hate. The developers wanted him to be this character who comes off as this funny yet egotistical jerk that players will find funny and enjoy. This is why right from the start you have him cracking jokes at your character like the passage below. "I’m rackin’ my brain trying to think of a name for that diamond pony I bought. I was gonna call it “piss-for-brains” in honor of you, but that just feels immature. Maybe…”Butt Stallion”? Nah, that’s even worse. I’ll give it some more thought." This is the Jack we get for the good first half of the game. We know he’s a bad guy. We find out in one of the first missions in the game, think it’s called ’Handsome Jack Here,’ that he kills Helena Pierce in cold blood when he and Wilhelm destroy New Haven. From the very beginning we are told what Handsome Jack can do. We are given this character who is funny and cocky but also is not afraid to kill to achieve his goals, no matter if it means killing innocents because they are “bandits.” Then we see his character become more even more cruel and sinister by having Angel trick you into the getting the faulty core from Wilhelm so he could obliterate Sanctuary, which is full of innocents. He killed Bloodwing because he knew that her death would devastate Mordecai. And all the while he still says things that we as players can’t help but smile and laugh at all the while hating him for what he’s done. And when Angel dies and he kills Roland we get a whole new side of Handsome Jack. Someone who is bitter and and cold. Someone who has nothing left to live for because he just lost his daughter. A father who wants revenge to those who killed his baby girl. The very same girl who he locked away from the world, the girl who he has been pumping full of eridum so he could power up the vault key. The very girl who wanted to die rather than let her father succeed in his plans for Pandora. And yet he still cracks jokes, granted though they aren’t as light as the ones in the beginning of the game and are much more darker, such as the “I’ll pay you to kill yourself” mission. This is the first time we get to know Handsome Jack. And throughout the whole game he is very straight forward in what he wants. He wants to open the vault and gain control over The Warrior so he can rule over pandora to bring justice to an unjust world, and he doesn’t care who he has to kill in order to peruse this goal. And in the Pre-Sequel we learn more about why Jack is the villain he in in the second game, and in all honesty, his change is ever so slightly subtle. I fully believe that Jack has always been the man he is in the second game, though due to current rank in the company at the time (Jack is only an engineer in the Pre-Sequel) he isn’t Able to reach his goal and thus required help from the vault hunters. I believe the first noticeable hints of the Jack we know in the second game is when you first meet Gladstone and proceed to upload Felicity into a constructor bot. Felicity pleads and begs to both Jack and the players to allow her to copy her so she could still be herself while the loader would be able to have the AI it needed, a win on both parties accounts. Jack though turns down her request without any emotion behind it once he realizes that it would take a few days to completely copy her files. Now, yes, she was needed in order to regain control of the Helios so we could stop Zarpedon sooner rather than later, but it’s the way he dismisses her pleas that reminds me of Handsomr Jack. “Yeah, no, sorry, we don’t have that time.” He treats her not as a person or a conscious being, but as a means for an end, a stepping stone to get to where he needs to be. He feels no regret in ’killing’ her to get his perfect constructor bots. When we get back on Helios we discover another glaring obvious fact that we’ve been working for the Jack in the second game the whole time after we save the scientists. Gladstone lets slip that perhaps the reason we can’t reach the eye of Helios is that maybe one of the scientists is a mole working alongside Zarpadon. Jack becomes unresponsive and once we finish the mission and head back to Jacks office we get a scene in which Jack forces us to kill the scientists and Gladstone in order to kill the hypothetical mole. Jack used these scientists in order to help us reach the Eye of Helios and as soon as their use was meet he had them all killed. There were many ways to have weeded out possible moles that didn’t need to result in the scientists dying but Jack had no desire to even consider those possible options. Finally, once we reach the eye of Helios we fully discover Jacks plan the whole time. We find out that Jack lead the original vault hunters, with the help of Angel, to kill the vault monster. Jack then took the Destroyers eye and plans to use it to wipe out entire bandit camps on Pandora, this goal incredibly similar to his goal in the second game. But once this is reviled and He is betrayed by Lilith, Roland and Moxxi, who destroy the eye to save the civilians of Pandora, we finally expose Jack for who he is, the cold, heartless killer that he is thanks to him swearing his revenge on all those who had betrayed him. There is so much more in the games to point out but I’ve gone on long enough and I believe I’ve proven my point. Handsome Jack is not a misunderstood character, he never was. Handsome Jack was shown in the Pre-Sequel that he has always been the bad guy, though due to his rank in his company he was unable to reach any of his goals without some help from those on the outside. Though as soon as he starts gaining more and more power Jack becomes this uncaring leader who in not afraid to kill those who stand in his way. Does this mean that you can’t like Handsome Jack? Hell no, I can’t stand the jerk but I adore his character. I am fully able to understand that Jack is a bad guy, a villain, and still appreciate and enjoy his character. He is the perfect villain that you love to hate. So please, please don’t excuse all that he’s done, all whom he has killed because you believe that he is just misunderstood. You are doing a huge disservice to his character by saying that, because he has ALWAYS been the villain he is in the second game.
“it somehow bothers me that most of Claptrap’s vault hunter modes are based on the skills of the vault hunters who are chronically in the future so Jack shouldn’t have had knowledge of their skills when programming Claptrap.”
In the second game, there are audio logs of jack and Angel talking about that games vault hunters. I don't know how much time is between each of the games, but it's possible while jack was looking for vault hunters to help on elpis, he found out about the BL 2 hunters, and programmed claptrap with their skills.
“I used to despise Handsome Jack, the way he ruined lives and killed two amazing characters. But then the Pre-Sequel happened, and I saw him before his corruption (and his mask), and now I’m utterly, undeniably in love with him. Favourite character EVER.”
Dude still orchestrated the events of BL 1, and imprisoned Angel. Basically, he's always been an asshole
“I was so mad at the end of the pre-sequel. Everyone else I talked to loved the ending, but I hated it. Basically everything that happened in borderlands 2 is Lilith’s fault. She could have stopped jack from ever coming to power, but she just punched him in the face. It makes me so upset. It just adds to the list of reasons I don’t like Lilith.”
Why does this make you hate Lillith? Shouldn’t you hate the…writers? The actual people who wrote in “Hey, why doesn’t Lillith just magically pop into the Vault and punch Jack in the face instead of just murdering him outright and preventing the events of Borderlands 2?” I don’t think Lillith should’ve hesitated in taking care of Jack then and there.
But look at it this way now: maybe she thought punching him and severely injuring him would stop him from trying to take over Pandora. Blahblahblah events of Borderlands 2, then we come to the infamous ending of The Pre-Sequel that made everyone completely shit on Lillith. She wanted to kill Athena because she knew she could’ve prevented Roland’s death, prevented so much pain and suffering for everyone. She was willing to let Athena die because she knows what Athena is capable of and how her own hesitation in the past can affect so much. As much as Athena agrees that Jack should have been stopped, she still played a part in his rise to power and Lillith, being the leader and having a responsibility to protect her people, she did what she thought was right. I don’t think Lillith is a morally good character, nor is anyone really but I don’t think Lillith was completely in the wrong for her decision with Athena.
I do think the writing for the Pre-Sequel was a little weak and some of it made the characters seem much different than what we had previously learned of them. That may just be based on how little personalities we got from the original Vault hunters and then seeing them thrown right into the spotlight for Borderlands 2. I just think there are some questionable writing in the Pre-Sequel.
“I was so mad at the end of the pre-sequel. Everyone else I talked to loved the ending, but I hated it. Basically everything that happened in borderlands 2 is Lilith’s fault. She could have stopped jack from ever coming to power, but she just punched him in the face. It makes me so upset. It just adds to the list of reasons I don’t like Lilith.”
Lilith isn’t really one of my favorite characters, but in all honesty this constant ripping on Lilith really needs to stop because it’s flat out getting irritating.
the fact that everything is getting blamed on her and Moxxi is really fucking stupid.
You don’t have to like Lilith as a character, she’s hardheaded, and a bit of an Eridium Junkie, and on top of that she’s starting to become a fairly vicious and unforgiving character.
People gripe and moan about how she just should have killed him on the spot as opposed to punching the Vault symbol into his face. Have they considered that The Pre-Sequel takes place after the first game, but before the second as the title suggests? Maybe during The Pre-Sequel, she was more forgiving and that’s why she let Jack live, maybe she hoped that punching the shit out of him scared him enough to not try and rise into power like he did.
At the end when she didn’t listen to Brick or Mordicai and was about to have Athena executed, you don’t know what’s exactly going through her head, but you can infer at best. Seeing Athena again may have reminded Lilith of the events in the Pre-Sequel and how they lead to those in BL2 and now she probably hates that she had the opportunity to put Jack down but she didn’t. She had the opportunity to prevent everything that occurs in BL2, and probably feels personally responsible for all of it.
Chances are, she’s becoming vicious and unforgiving because she wants to prevent another Handsome Jack, she doesn’t want anyone else suffering the pain that she and those around her did and it’s getting the better of her.
I never even thought of Lilith ordering Athena's execution as trying to avoid another jack, but that's a really good point.
“After beating TPS I despise Moxxi and Lilith but feel a tiny bit of sympathy for Roland. I honestly feel like he didn’t want to betray Jack but was forced into by Moxxi and Lilith. Out of the three of them he was the only one who apologized. I still hate him for betraying Jack, but I felt like of he had his way he wouldn’t have gotten involved at all.”
I am beginning to wonder if we are all given/seeing the same version of TPS. I know perspective is up for interpretation but this is ridiculous.
I was going to eventually send in a confession very similar to this so OP isn’t the only one that feels this way.
And my previous statement doesn’t change:/ You all can sympathize Jack all you want, but it doesn’t take away that fact that Jack installed a very powerful weapon on Helios on top of other things he had done that is being ignored. Furthermore, to imply Roland was coerced into a plan is pretty messed up on so many levels.
How is that messed up? I know tone is hard to convey through text but I assure you I’m genuinely interested. I’m not exactly ignoring what Jack did but it also seems that Lilith and Moxxi (and to a lesser extent Roland)’s betrayal pushed him down the slippery slope.
Implying Roland was coerced is saying he can’t make choices of his own when he more than capable of leading a rebel group and breaking up with Lilith when he needed to. It also implies Roland would have somehow sided with Jack if it wasn’t for ‘those peer pressuring hags’ and it pretends to diminish Roland’s involvement all because he showed empathy towards Jack/player. Roland was involved; there is no dancing around it or making a pass for him. Jack was well down a slippery slope before Moxxi, Lilith AND Roland tried to kill him while destroying the eye or do you not remember Bl1? or Angel’s enslavement? or Moxxi’s place getting blown up in a jealous fit?
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“It disturbs me to no end how so many people seem to be on Jack’s side after playing the pre-sequel. THE. MAN. WAS. EVIL. He launched 2, maybe 3 innocent people out of an airlock. He ordered you to kill a surrendering soldier. He enjoyed killing the Meriff. HE CALLED IT “INVIGORATING”. Stop acting like Roland and Moxxi and Lilith trying to kill him was a horrible betrayal. Had they succeeded, none of the horrible things Jack did in BL2 would have happened. (Granted, we probably wouldn’t have gotten a BL2, but nevermind that.) JACK. WAS. EVIL.”
I think part of it is that there is no mention in B:TPS about the fact that jack was behind the events of the first game. I makes it look like he was a decent guy, who had One Bad Day, and became a villain.
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Seriously, if you are a survivor of abusive relationships you should check spoilers and be careful if you want to romance Sera. Especially as an Elf.
Some of the stuff she says is textbook psychological abuse and could trigger people.
more of you reblog this.
this is important for abuse survivors in this fandom.
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“For me, the saddest part of the Pre-Sequel was looking at Jack’s desk after the Vault and seeing that Angel’s (incredibly adorable!) picture is face-down.”