Tbh I don't understand anyone who denies their favorite character's flaws and acts like they've never done anything wrong when that is like consistently the most interesting part of any character ever
Hey, is rogue a major part of gambit's life that he couldn't breathe without her?
Weird. Gambit seemed to be breathing just fine long before Rogue.
Rogue is his great romantic love, but she isn’t the absolute center of his life. She doesn’t define his existence.
Gambit was already a fully developed character before his relationship with Rogue. He has his own identity, past, and conflicts. Many of Gambit’s most important stories don’t revolve around her.
There are people just as influential—or even more so—in his life:
Jean-Luc LeBeau: The patriarch of the Thieves’ Guild who raised him. He adopted him when he was an abandoned child and trained him as a thief. He defines his cultural identity: New Orleans, the guilds, the thief’s code of honor. To Gambit, Jean-Luc is real family.
Tante Mattie: She is practically Gambit’s mother figure. A balm amid the harshness of being part of the guild. She is one of the few people around whom Gambit doesn’t pretend or manipulate. With Mattie, a different Remy emerges—more relaxed, more vulnerable, more son than thief.
Bella Donna: His wife from his youth. Their relationship unites the thieves’ and assassins’ guilds. The chaos of that marriage shapes Gambit’s life. For years, Bella was as emotionally important to him as Rogue.
Storm: An underrated connection. She trusted Gambit when no one else did. He helped her when she lost her powers and became a child again. They share a relationship of deep loyalty.
Laura Kinney: One of Gambit’s most interesting relationships.
He acts as a mentor and protector, an older brother or father figure. Laura respects and trusts him more than she usually trusts others, and this is significant because Laura distrusts almost everyone.
Rogue is not Gambit’s emotional center. Gambit is not the man who lives for her. That is a very “romantic,” very reductionist, and very ridiculous interpretation.
I want to talk about rogues parent figures. Particularly mystique and Charles. Starting with Rogue and Charles. They have one of the more underrated father-Daughter relationships in the X-Men they are actually extremely close. (As opposed to the Logan-rogue father-daughter myth) this is why when she found Charles dead and mutilated by red skull she had a strong reaction (TW gore+Body horror)
Rogue wasn’t the same for a while. wanda said it was although a child lost her parent.
And of course she wasn’t the same. No matter what some stories or retcons try and say Charles was truly the first to give her a chance when even the X-Men scorned her and questioned Charles decision.
Compared to her own mother mystique. who yes loves her. and maybe thinks it’s the best for her. In the end She still controlled manipulated and guilt tripped rogue throughout parts of her childhood just for wanting what most little girls want. To play and Hang out with boys.
This was mystique monitoring and verbally abusing rogue for just wanting to be a kid. “And when she’s broken she’ll need me all the more!” Mystique forced her to take Carol Denvers powers and memories which is what caused rogue to go insane multiple times. And despite all of this she at the time, couldn’t recognize that rogue could have possibly left on her own. instead thinking Xavier kidnapped her.
“I don’t believe it, rogue would never abandon me” why does mystique seem so confident that rogue wouldn’t leave her? Because she knows rogue ran from her human parents that didn’t understand her, she knows that rogue was cut off from other people and was dependent on her and destiny to learn how to cope with her abilities. She also believes that this is normal. She thinks she’s just being protective of rogue. and while mystique thinks she knows rogue will never fit in everywhere else she still felt the need to control rogue into thinking the same as her. Mystique even went as far as to shoot Charles before talking to rogue. As rogue.
“Did you think I was going to let Xavier steal my daughter and get away with it?” Notice the possessive use of the word “steal” rather then “kidnap” Mystique talks about rogue being stolen as though she isn’t speaking to the girl herself Or even as though she was an item being stolen from her. She even tries to tell rogue Charles is making her believe she wants to leave. Does mystique actually believe this herself? I don’t know. I think there is a possibility that she was projecting+convinced herself it was the case. While she doesn’t have the power to control minds mystique is the only person in this room who’s actually been controlling rogue and making her believe she has to be somewhere or do something. She loves rogue and wants what’s best for her but because of who she is she feels the need to assure that rogue won’t escape her. She has to make sure that rogue is dependent on her so she won’t “abandon” her. Which instead makes rogue mad and actually want to leave as she initially feared.
”Why did you leave me, then? Rogue, Don’t you love me?” Again with equating rogue wanting freedom as an act against her. Mystique in a sick way is controlling her because she loves her.
mystique asks what happens when she has to choose between her and Xavier and rogue says “at least I’ll have a choice. More than I’ve got now.” And states that yes mystique took care of her when she was small and loved her. But she needs more now. she needs to be let go and given freedom. Mystique is convinced proving that in the end of all the toxicity she did want what was best for rogue and in a way recognizes that Charles is the better fit for rogue at this point in her journey. (She accepts that for now)
before we get back to Charles I want to mention that even before mystique rogue had always dealt with harsh adults that made their love difficult to decipher. Her aunt who raised her was seen spanking her which was the first and only image that flashed in rogues mind when looking at her childhood home. (TW child abuse)
She rejected rogue and screamed at her.
she made rogue. the child, feel as though she was unloved.
“She loved me! ..I never knew, she never showed it.” It took rogue Reliving her aunts memories as an adult to see that her aunt actually loved her. “I treated her so badly leavin’ her” Rogue feels responsible for her parent figures feelings and how she hurt them even as an adult and X-Man despite them making her feel either unloved or controlled As a child. She feels guilty for running away from the adults who mistreated her.
Charles was the first person that wanted to help rogue just to help her. He didn’t hold it against her he didn’t make her responsible for hurting his feeling and he didn’t control her. He even called out his own students just to do help her.
To Rogue Charles wasn’t just freedom from the overbearing love of mystique or her mutation or guilt. He was the love and care from a parent with no strings attached she never had. Despite Charles reputation or powers he was somebody who never wanted to control rogue. And in turn Rogue loves him like a dutiful daughter.
Back to when red skull took his brain. This is why rogue grieved so badly when he died. this is a woman who saw the man that gave her unconditional love and support dead and his body laying before her violated in the most violent way possible. A good man treated like worse then dirt. She even put his picture up at the avengers headquarters.
And spoke to him like any grieving child would.
And Charles in turn is extremely proud of the progress rogue made and loves her very much. that love even helped him reach out to her while dead. (TW Gore+body horror)
“But there are shards. Pieces enough to remember who I was…enough to remember how much I loved you”
He even apologizes to rogue for having to make her relive her trauma. The trauma of his mutilation and yet he’s more worried about rogue.
“You’ve grown strong and courageous…I’m proud of you.”
Charles let rogue grow. he let her learn. he let her breathe and gave her a home with him being very much like the parent she never had she never had to run from him. Or at all anymore. That’s why it was fitting it was rogue who set Charles free from the red skull or from anymore violations of his body and mind.
She helped set him free in death as he did for her in life.
After that Horrible Magik AOA comic I've seen some people (on twt, unsurprisingly) saying
'So what? Bad things can't happen to characters now?'
No. Bad things can absolutely happen to characters, and they DO happen. Bad things are an opportunity for growth, depth, storytelling, and so on and so on.
The problem here is there is nothing narratively impactful here. The men who wrote this have nothing meaningful to say about SA or SA victims or their abusers. Age of Revelation exists on a timeline that will be wiped from existence come January.
They did this for nothing more than, Id argue, shock factor, and providing a reason for illyana to become a villain, in order to justify the xmen beating her ass in three issues.
Bad things can happen to characters, of course, but when a man who has said to HATE Magik
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Has control over the narrative, this is what you get. This is not a story dealing with rape (bc there is nothing dealing with it intelligently here). This is a rape fantasy and everyone involved is a fucking weirdo.
Not to mention APPARENTLY this is pre-split, meaning this could be the ACTUAL fate Marvel is deciding Illyana will face when she dies ??? What
The child SA survivor, who spent her entire childhood being tormented in a hell dimension, dies and is condemned to being abused by her abuser over and over again ?
Comics take so much approval to get made SO MANY PEOPLE APPROVED THIS. HOW??
So yeah and both the writer tom seeley and artist Phillip sevy have left twitter and are on blue-sky talking ab ppl being mean. Good god get a grip. So yeah fuck them and fuck tom breevort
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To those who criticized this wretched mini but bought it anyway to 'collect the variant covers':
I said it before, but I will say it again:
There are TWO editorial lines about Rogue right now. The current one in UXM and the sexy-nostalgia-bait that stems from xm97 and, not coincidentally at all, rolls her character decades back in development and agency. This is, I repeat, not an idle choice.
It happened before to set Rogue as a 'jerkable' sex symbol in the early nineties. The original Savage Land is a testament to that: her looks change (some say Jim Lee based her appearance in a porn star from the 80's) and she fully incorporates the Southern Belle routine and the "untouchable temptress' archetype. It lent her character both the sex appeal and the vulnerability they needed to make her a "sex symbol" she wasn't until the end of the Outback Era. Then, in AoA, she's pushed as low as to become "child bride" to cult leader Magneto (again) in a very Woody-Allen moment.
(One thing the newer fans must understand is that, back in the day, neither Jean or Ororo were "jerkable" enough for the male audience: to the average cishet white boy from the 90's, Ororo was "too strong, too intimidating", and Jean was Scott’s. So, to fill in the gap, they redesigned two characters: Rogue and Psylocke.)
Rogue has come a long way ever since, but given the current zeitgeist, I completely see Tom Brevoort and his "team" rolling her back to what she was in the nineties because "Sex Sells". But the minute he turns this pitch into reality, her current narrative as a mature woman in full control of her powers, her emotional life and as a female leadership role is jeopardized to a point of no return.
He told Saga to kill Shion and Athena, he said that he was going to kill Athena but when Ker gives him the possiblity in exchange of freedom...
....he can't do it.
Did Ker suggest that everything Kanon said to Saga was just words, and that he didn't really think what he said?
Honestly, Kanon is pretty much a morally grey character. He's not fully evil, but not even fully good, he did awful stuff, but also tried to make up for them while being a saint. It is interesting that he hesitated when given an opportunity to get out of there, I do think he was sincere when he proposed to kill them and get ahold of Sanctuary, he did use Poseidon to kill a lot of people on earth, and Athena along with them. But, it's interesting when you think about the fact that the majority of the people who were killed were not killed directly by Kanon, but he used someone else to do that, he proposed that Saga should do it, but the moment someone mentioned that he could take matters into his own hands, he just froze and hesitated. Just a very interesting dude, maybe they were just words, but that doesn't really align with his actions later on with Poseidon, or maybe he realised that telling someone to kill vs actually killing is a bit different and he is not as evil as he thinks he is in the end
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