Work and Art: Part 2
To help shine a light on the lives of working musicians, I’ve been interviewing peers of mine about their experiences performing, how they balance their lives to make the music happen, and if they see a difference between playing for art’s sake or as a job.
For this second of three articles I talked to drummer Max Goldman, with whom I’ve had the fortune to share the bandstand with many times. He is not only an incredible player and a great guy, but also does a fantastic job of balancing playing gigs for money while also being relentless about following his artistic path.
How long have you been a full time musician?
Since a little bit after I finished school, around 2007. I was in Brooklyn, practicing a lot during the early part of the day, working some crazy job, then coming home to work on music at night, when Vinny Spirazza, a great New York drummer who was very kind and encouraging to me, had a club date that he was getting tired of it. He had all these great creative gigs and was teaching a lot and didn’t want to have to play music he didn’t like, but knew I was looking for an opportunity to play more, make a living playing, and work during the day less. We got together and he coached me through all the song transitions and I was in that club band for years, up until the recession hit and I got fired for going on tour. One of the reasons I got into music was to travel and play with friends, so when I had an opportunity to go to Europe with an electronic dance music band for three weeks, I couldn’t turn it down. I took the risk and got fired, but it was incredibly worth it because I got to travel around, experience other cultures, and play music. Plus I ended up subbing in with that other band later anyway!
Ever since then I’ve been doing a mixture of playing, touring, teaching, with a few jobs mixed in when times get tough.
On a typical week, how often are you playing out and with how many different ensembles?
I don’t really have a weekly gig but I usually play a few times during the week, typically two or three, and then I teach three days a week, plus I have young son so balancing in family time is super important. Also finding a way to make time to practice. I still go down to NYC for rehearsals and gigs, like on May 13th I’ll be there to play at Mezzrow, which is the sister club of Smalls. Normally I try to go once a month, so I’m not gone too much.
I’m not sure exactly how many ensembles I play with, they’re normally a lot of different amalgamations of musicians that I end up playing with.
Do you supplement your income in ways other than live performance?
The main way is teaching. Every musician that I knew who was active in New York was doing some teaching, so it was always part of the life. I’ve sat in on a few recordings for like a Degree commercial or a Fischer Price ad, but I’ve never been what you’d consider a session musician, more of a bonus than something I ever relied on.
Is it hard to balance playing gigs for a paycheck while also playing shows with a focus on the art? Do you not differentiate between them?
I differentiate a bit but ultimately I like playing any gig because I always feel like I can learn something. If it’s a restaurant or if it’s a situation where I’m working with musicians I’m not super excited to play with — which I can say has not happened around here — there’s always something I can be working on or will learn along the way. I can be working on my time, or the feel, or different styles, etc.; every gig can be challenging. If I’m on a really artistic gig I’ll work on trying to really focus in on interacting with the musicians, creating a musical dialogue, and even though the other gigs are a little different, I always try my best and can get something out of all of them.
It’d be awesome if I were only playing art gigs every night and could make money doing that but that’s just not feasible. Some people can really only do that and just don’t have it in themselves to play something they don’t fully believe in, but I personally can’t turn down work like that. Even if it’s only something I only sort of enjoy, I’ve known people who go to work hating their jobs everyday, so I keep that in mind.
How has life as a full time musician lived up to your expectations and how is it different?
I never had a complete vision of what my life at this age would look like, I was mostly focused on wanting to play a certain way and have a certain kind of confidence and comfort on the instrument. There were these moments where I’d see my teachers and their mastery, and that’s what I would focus on, I wasn’t really thinking about what my livelihood or day to day would look like. I’ve been really fortunate to do a lot of traveling, go overseas, see the US, meet amazing people, and get to play music all over the place and learn so much. There’s been so much that I’ve been very grateful for that I don’t know if I was ever really expecting.
I knew that I wanted to make my living playing and teaching, and feel like I was a good drummer, but outside of that I didn’t really have an idea. Where I grew up in Rochester, NY I’d see my teachers playing small jazz gigs and I thought they were so cool, and played the instrument so beautifully, had so much history and language in their playing, and I wanted to be like that.
What should people looking to get into a music career know?
My teacher, Tony Moreno, said to me once if there’s something else you love to do, then do that because this is really hard. If you work really hard, things will happen, and although you might have to have other jobs and are going to have to hustle, if you love this you’ll figure it out.
You’ll see musicians who literally have to sacrifice everything. They’ll live in an apartment in NYC with five other roommates for their whole lives just for the love of this. If you have a calling to this then great, you should do it, but just know it will be really hard.
Lastly, what do you wish people knew when they see live music?
Just that the energy they give to the performers has a really big impact. When musicians feel like people are engaged with what’s happening, it really ups the performance and gets the musicians playing better. That includes not being on your phone, which can be a bit disheartening to look up and see people staring at their phones, but granted sometimes that’s the artist’s fault for not being prepared to engage the audience. It’s definitely a two way street. The musicians have a responsibility to be prepared so that they can give a compelling performance and draw people in, and need to practice so they are communicating with the audience, but the audience also has to be open to listen to it and engage with the music.
For more information on Max visit maxgoldmanmusic.com.
Ben Shaw is a local composer, performer, and writer. Find him at benjaminshawmusic.com.











