Viktorâs commune always gave off creepy vibes, but for me, the path it was taking became crystal clear at the start of ep6. That first scene basically spells out the extent of Viktorâs corruption and how far his actions and mindset are from any kind of altruism.
@jaybejaybeyes Personally, I interpret this after having some conversations as "VictorÂŽs dream come true".
Indeed, it is a sort of corruption, but it seems Victor is actually well-meaning here.
And look at Viktor's face when it happens. Thatâs not horror. Thatâs not astonishment. Thatâs not grief. Itâs⊠mild annoyance, I'd say?
Why should he grieve SaloÂŽs death? I am just curious. They are neither friends, nor related. Victor "healed" them, but that doesnÂŽt make him Jesus.
He may consider himself responsible in a way, but I doubt, that he became suddenly all-loving.
And thatâs the thing about Viktorâs commune â it was never about the people who joined it. It was never about understanding them, helping them, or connecting with them. It was all about Viktorâs desperate need to be in control, about his refusal to confront suffering, pain, and all the messy, complicated parts of being human. From the very beginning, it was about Viktor going, âwell, the end justifies the meansâ, but thereâs nothing kind or humanistic about that philosophy, because it always comes at the expense of peopleâs lives. The end never justifies the means.
Nope, you are definitely wrong. Victor indeed has wished to make the lives of the people better with "hextech" , was even more outspoken, that he did not wish to create weapons and I guess that this commune is literally, how he envishioned it. There is corruption...but it is the arcane at work here. And maybe even in Jayce case.
There can be a conversation to be had, if the people are already dead or are still alive...but what is undoubtly true...The whole commune is dependant on Victor.
People can be both...Yes, Victor wanted to stay alive, but he is not a control-freak...And surely not a guy, who thinks that the "the end justifies the means". I mean, isnÂŽt it funny, that the solution Victor is conviced of, plays in the hands of the arcane, which obviously has a will of its own?
It is literally right there...that the arcane heavily influenced and manipulated Victor, and most likely also Jayce.
The end never justifies the means.
That is an oversimplification. There are cases, where the end literally justifies the means.
And honestly, I was surprised to see how many people were mad at Jayce for blasting Viktor at the end of that episode. In my opinion, by then, it was quite clear that Viktor didnât care much about his Arcane-modified toys. He wasnât even pretending he did. Salo wasnât a person to him. None of them were. They were just tools, stepping stones for his glorious evolution.
And all of that was right there in the first scene of ep6.
Oh, that is interesting. Did suddenly "the end justify the means" or becomes murder a great deed, if the right character is killed?
In contrast, Victor tried to be responsible for his commune and tried to protect them, literally dying. I am sorry, but I am not sure, why you suddenly jump to such conclusions?
I still feel like we were ROBBED of that whole arc, watching Viktor descend to this. Because he gives a shit about Vander, so it's not like he's totally unempathetic--like he's still Viktor. It's just that from the start of the commune up to this point, Viktor has been going through a slow descent into madness from not having a single actual person to talk to who isn't completely bound to him in some way. There is nobody to question him and everyone is relying on him constantly.
@straysparks Yes, the influence of the arcane gets stronger.
Viktor is deeply empathetic but also vulnerable to megalomania, and having a whole group of people worship you for months on end is gonna get to your head eventually even if you really really really hate the idea. Which I think we can be pretty certain he does at first, unless you subscribe to the idea that the Hexcore is really majorly influential to his personality change.
Both, but why should this not be the case? The arcane has a will of its own and can be vicious if challenged. Victor was literally drowned in it and hears a voice the moment he wakes up...Of course, he is being changed/manipulated to a certain degree. When Ekko literally broke the armour, Victor woke up and realized, what he had done...This moment of "waking up" does not make much sense, if the arcane has not played a major role in the corruption process.
Because people being wrong are rarely persuaded by violence alone.
I think his disconnection from his empathy is driven by a need to get away from the closeness of the commune members. He's an extremely private person and he gets virtually no space or time to himself for months on end. Seeing the commune members as cogs in a machine is a coping strategy and I must stress that there is NO ONE to check him on this.
Or he already knows deep down , that they are already dead? He does care for them, but I mean, he is literally not Jesus, has hardly any personal attachment to them. In fact, Victor had always difficulties in that area.
Hexcore influence is convenient to the narrative, but Viktor's character is set up in such a way that his behavior here isn't even out of character given a particular series of events which we KNOW happen, we just don't see them on screen. It's ooc if you assume Viktor doesn't change between the times we see him on screen, but that's the thing, he DOES.
The hexcore influence is not just convenient, it literally explains so much...Look here:1,2
I saw the light after reading those posts. Nope, Victor does not suddenly become mad or cold for no reason, he literally is partly mind-controlled.