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Family arts, part 5/?
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Umber and Mulberry being cuties
Toxic dragon yaoi
The problem with evil Mullberry is that umber would spot it a mile away his perspective state is extremely high he stared at a random mudwing for ten seconds and realized that it was his long lost brother he had never meet.
Like seriously it is one of his established traits.
I finished book 16 and I have design thoughts so I may make a series but for now here’s Umber! I made this out of my intense frustration with the fact that his canon design is a carbon copy of clay
I LOOOOOOVE umber as a POV character. He’s so Disney princess with his whole “falling in love with a prince immediately” and “making friends with a small creature with attitude”. I also love how good he is at reading people…like do NOT come after Umber he will clock your whole tea the moment you open your mouth lmao
it SUCKS being the biggest pale king hater on tumblr but trying to interact nicely with the rest of the hollow knight community. please spare me from your obsession with that man i b eg
Please tell me how the pale king would fix his mistake and what is his mistake?
Are you referring to the idea instilled? Should he go back in time and beat the hollow knight to make sure it doesn’t get attached?
Or are you referring to vessel plan in general? The vessel plan was last ditch throw everything at the wall and see if anything work plan that failed nothing he can do he lost simple as that, as for the vessels themselves as far as the pale king know they were lifeless possessed corpse of his kids nothing to save and probably painful to be around both physically and emotionally.
Is the mistake him founding his kingdom in hollownest? Because until the MOTHs willingly abandon the radiance for him he had no conflicts with the moth tribe and his kingdom was already well established to much to just pack up and leave.
And he didn’t abandon or neglect the hollowknight he left the hollowknight to do his job seal the radiance and stay in the black egg that’s literally the point sept the knight failed and the infection spread and the pale king was out of ideas. Are you saying he should’ve pop open the egg and kill the hollowknight that doesn’t stop the radiance.
it SUCKS being the biggest pale king hater on tumblr but trying to interact nicely with the rest of the hollow knight community. please spare me from your obsession with that man i b eg
i have thoughts on the red memory sequence
about the dialogue beforehand.... idk i think its rather important to remember that hornet's not really a stereotypical hero. she's rather morally grey, and her motivations throughout the entirety of silksong have been mostly selfish and benefit herself over anyone else. she climbed the citadel to fight grand mother silk out of some sort of revenge and also to guarantee her own safety. that only changed in act 3, when she recognized her own hand in pharloom's state and how destroyed it was.
something about the way the weavers (not herrah) treated hornet as well... it seemed like they thought hornet would grow up to be herrah's successor, and that's why herrah had her, but that wasn't the case at all. herrah tells hornet that it wasn't her desire for hornet to become queen, and she recognized that her daughter wasn't a full weaver. she just wanted a child and she wanted to be a mother, even though she knew she wouldn't have much time with her child after she was born.
(also, it does make sense in my mind that the weavers would be supremacists considering their. everything.)
vespa tells hornet that her nature is feared, and that people would hunt her for her power, even in hallownest. that's not something we see in hollow knight at all. in hk, hornet is a fearsome protector and an admirable fighter. hardly anyone knows her, aside from either those who've been around greenpath (quirrel, although he doesn't have many thoughts if any at all on her in game, and the hunter) and those she knew from before the kingdom fell. this moreso becomes apparent during silksong, when that exact thing happens before the game even starts, and hornet spends a good portion of the game being hunted.
i wonder if hornet went into the ruined chapel with the old hearts knowing what they'd do to her with them, or if she had an idea. tbh i don't think she cared much, and was mostly thinking along the lines of "whatever i have to do to fix this". but at the same time.... it seems like hornet fucking died to do that, and whatever it was killed the shamans as well.
and also a good chunk of hollow knight was that the pale king played favourites among his children (literally thousands of them). hornet wasn't a vessel, and to the pale king, she was an obligation due to the deal he made with herrah. it's interesting to me how hornet's wearing a grey cloak similar to his when kneeling before the white lady.
AND ANOTHER THING the weavers being supremacists and envying hornet's power due to her heritage as both weaver and wyrm is actually somewhat confirmed by silksong. none of the weavers we meet in game think fondly of hornet due to the fact that she's not a full weaver. widow directly states that she wants to claim hornet's power for grand mother silk. first sinner calls hornet a half breed (in contrast to how the rest of the weaver sites (???) call hornet a daughter from a distant land). even lace is immediately hostile towards hornet, even though she thinks that killing hornet before she makes it to the citadel is a blessing.
My personal theory is herrah requested Horner be raised in the white palace to keep her safe from the weavers once she was out to the picture and while the pale king would never be dad of the year he’d make she safe and had the tools to succeed
i have thoughts on the red memory sequence
about the dialogue beforehand.... idk i think its rather important to remember that hornet's not really a stereotypical hero. she's rather morally grey, and her motivations throughout the entirety of silksong have been mostly selfish and benefit herself over anyone else. she climbed the citadel to fight grand mother silk out of some sort of revenge and also to guarantee her own safety. that only changed in act 3, when she recognized her own hand in pharloom's state and how destroyed it was.
something about the way the weavers (not herrah) treated hornet as well... it seemed like they thought hornet would grow up to be herrah's successor, and that's why herrah had her, but that wasn't the case at all. herrah tells hornet that it wasn't her desire for hornet to become queen, and she recognized that her daughter wasn't a full weaver. she just wanted a child and she wanted to be a mother, even though she knew she wouldn't have much time with her child after she was born.
(also, it does make sense in my mind that the weavers would be supremacists considering their. everything.)
vespa tells hornet that her nature is feared, and that people would hunt her for her power, even in hallownest. that's not something we see in hollow knight at all. in hk, hornet is a fearsome protector and an admirable fighter. hardly anyone knows her, aside from either those who've been around greenpath (quirrel, although he doesn't have many thoughts if any at all on her in game, and the hunter) and those she knew from before the kingdom fell. this moreso becomes apparent during silksong, when that exact thing happens before the game even starts, and hornet spends a good portion of the game being hunted.
i wonder if hornet went into the ruined chapel with the old hearts knowing what they'd do to her with them, or if she had an idea. tbh i don't think she cared much, and was mostly thinking along the lines of "whatever i have to do to fix this". but at the same time.... it seems like hornet fucking died to do that, and whatever it was killed the shamans as well.
and also a good chunk of hollow knight was that the pale king played favourites among his children (literally thousands of them). hornet wasn't a vessel, and to the pale king, she was an obligation due to the deal he made with herrah. it's interesting to me how hornet's wearing a grey cloak similar to his when kneeling before the white lady.
AND ANOTHER THING the weavers being supremacists and envying hornet's power due to her heritage as both weaver and wyrm is actually somewhat confirmed by silksong. none of the weavers we meet in game think fondly of hornet due to the fact that she's not a full weaver. widow directly states that she wants to claim hornet's power for grand mother silk. first sinner calls hornet a half breed (in contrast to how the rest of the weaver sites (???) call hornet a daughter from a distant land). even lace is immediately hostile towards hornet, even though she thinks that killing hornet before she makes it to the citadel is a blessing.
I think some people see Umber as clay but gay but there is a bit more to him
Umber is both more and less intelligent
He’s absolutely more perceptive with reed saying that if umber notices something you better pay attention
He’s socially intelligent able to talk to dragons without much problems and understands what a crush is and even able to get carnelian to sorta like him in one interaction.
Definitely the communicator of his group
He is less studied tho, clay actually got a education by the protectors (particularly webs) umber was going to school to fix this
They are both loyal as hell who will do whatever it takes to protect his siblings
The quote on the hardcover of The Hybrid Prince is revealed!
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first time drawing Umberry!!
Or like
Either of them 😭
Can’t wait for the hybrid prince!
The Hybrid Prince
Someone said that 'Oh, the pale King apologists are so funny to me' and that made me laugh a bit because I'm not sure that Pale King Haters even... make sense?
They presume the Pale King resorted to the vessel plan immediately when the first sign of the infection came up. They also assume that the vessel failed immediately and that he booked it when that happened. Ignoring the fact the civilization obviously survived long enough for a statue to be built honoring the Hollow Knight. Not the Pale King for devising the plan, barely even acknowledging the Dreamers for their efforts, the Hollow Knight itself is the main centerpiece.
"But he murdered a billion of his children and then abused one of them." Killing eggs and killing children is far different. The Pale King probably didn't think he had a kid to abuse. He had an eldritch flesh automaton wearing the skin of a potential son that he trained for his purposes. And guess what? He had affection for that flesh automaton anyways, despite the fact that he thought that would make it impure, that it would make it fail of he loved it. He felt affection for his dead gay son and thought himself a failure and a horrible person for it.
"He's an imperialist jackass!" Yes, of course, he's an imperialist because he conquered *checks notes* 1 civilization, if we stretch the definition of conquer? Because the moths weren't taken by force, all the Seers dialogue suggests that they joined him of their own volition. If the Radiance herself just told the Pale King that her people coming to her side made her feel bad, I see no reason that he wouldn't suggest she join him and make some agreement, considering every other civilization in Hallownest.
The Mantises, the Hive, The Green Children, and the Weavers were all left alone, and Hallownest traded with the latter. And there is no evidence that there was any prolonged violent conflict between their people. Like there isn't a Radahn-like battlefield covered in weapons and corpses to suggest that Pale King resorted to conquering first. He seemed perfectly content with having his little civilization and letting the other beings have theirs.
And I'm sure someone will bring up the maggots or the class difference, but that sort of stuff exists in every civilization *in our own history*, and its clear he didn't micromanage his civilization because of the emphasis he put on individuality.
"He was an absentee father" except his theme is all throughout the flashback. Hornet's creativity and aptitude for tools is reflected by his obvious talent for creation. She followed in his footsteps by using the void to try and fix a problem (even unknowingly) only to make the problem more dire.
Not only that, but it's obvious that he cared for his people over his own, over his relationship for his White Lady, over the potential of him having children. His kingdom was everything to him, and I think that also reflects Hornet's actions. Sure, her Wyrm blood might make her predisposed to dominate, but it was how she was raised that makes her want to do that by helping others.
And sure, maybe that was fostered mostly by her mothers, but also consider Hornet's thoughts on him via her Hunter's Journal entries; the only bad thing she calls him is a fool. I think that speaks volumes of their relationship, and what the Pale King was.
He was a fool, but he was well intentioned.
Also people tend to forget the the pale king is not a bug or even a king he is a GOD a higher being a pale god to be exact a being that natural desires to conquer and dominate and a Wyrm another higher being born with the desire to build kingdoms and civilizations. He’s a fundamentally incomprehensible being the hunter one of the most critical of the pale king believing he coddle hollownest and made it weak still fears and admits to being unable to comprehend him. To judge him by mortal standards is unfair as he is not a mortal. Like is he a innocent bumpkin no but he’s also not incompetent and will do what he needs for his civilization like a god would.
The Pale King's Motivations
I keep thinking back to the Hunter's journal entries on the Pale King's constructs from the OG Hollow Knight
The Hunter has probably never been inside the White Palace, so in-universe this is probably a result of Ghost returning to him to discuss the constructs in the palace after they encountered them, maybe showing him scetches & notes of their own. (I like the idea that they return to him periodically to show off their latest 'catches' & receive mentor-ly advice)
Now I'm a proponent of the interpretation that the 1st half of the entries is the protag, & they're just noting the construct's makeup & the weaknesses. At most, they seem a bit impressed by the Kingsmould's martial capabilities. Pretty much the usual style.
At this point, the protagonist has probably put together that he's their father or at least their creator (judging by the various feelings expressed through the throne room sequence, & how you'd usually have the Kingsbrand by this point), but still doesn't know more about him than one would about a perfect stranger or distant historical figure.
The Hunter is, as usual, disdainful of the 'civilized' bugs of Hallownest (which comes through in his thoughts of the royal retainers - as he sees it they're basically weaklings for following another, similar to how he views the bees as 'slaves'), but with regards to the King himself, he's more curious & coming at it from an 'us mere mortals cannot comprehend' angle (similar to his commentary on the Radiance)
The constructs prompt him to speculate about what the King's motivations for building his kingdom could have been - & some of the options he brings up for how he could've viewed his creations are as toys, companions or children.
You don't give up your own children to save mere toys, but neither does such an act suggest a strong parental drive. (Plus we've since gotten the Monarch of Pharloom as an example of a creator god who wanted kids and/or toys.)
So it would seem that "companions" was the answer, which certainly also fits with how he reshaped himself to more easily interact with them. (whereas other creator gods made their creations more like themselves/ in their own image - this is even seen with his statues & how the traditional thing was for them all to be subtly different, so that it's as much a monument of the scuptor's individuality/art style/vision as merely a depiction of the King; His whole thing was that he supposedly gave ppl individual thought as opposed to the hive mind of the Radiance)
I've always found something rather compelling on how he's depicted in the full version of the opener poem as trying to grant all his followers' wishes but never being done at it because there was always something more to improve or something more they wanted.
Granting ppl in the caverns containing Hallownest long lives may also have been the result of of wanting to keep them with him a little longer (though he seems to have stopped short of imposing unnatural distortions, we still see elderly ppl like Seer & the Old Stag - whatever 'stasis' came with the seals may have veered into that a bit, Monomon was certainly glad to be relieved of her post by the end. He didn't want anything to do with Soul Master's shit tho.)
So many of his subjects may be seeing him as this incomprehensible fathomless being, but underneath is a lonely, clumsy creature who thought they'd maybe tolerate him if he used his fancy powers to give them nice shit.
He was still overall viewed as reclusive, mysterious & aloof, so mixing with his subjects probably didn't come to him all that naturally, but he still tried. (from how the White Lady talk about the 5 knights for example it seems they were personal friends with the royal pair, or at least had a warm colleague relationship)
Maybe he showed his care for them more indirectly through his buildings & inventions. (as much as that just something he seems to have liked doing for its own sake - its conceivable that the Kingdom was kinda like a crafts project to him at least at the beginning)
Judging by the lore tablets in King's pass he viewed existence as a Higher Being as being at least partially a positive thing, since it lets him do things others cannot, like having talents he can put to great uses, but he wouldn't have worked as closely with Monomon as he did if he were dismissive of the skills of mortals. The research notes in the archive suggest she was intimately involved in coming up with the theory behind the vessels.
There's that bit of cut dialogue for Lurien where he says something like, "well the King appears like a regular bug so I will take him so, but I can tell he's something far grander..."
For all that he's taking the role of a leader, he does want to be seen as one of them... but he also kinda glows so much he's hard to look at for too long, that's just not gonna go unnoticed. So even his most trusted Liutennant is like "I sometimes cant tell at all what hes thinking"
As an interesting kind of symmetry, Lurien did, of course, have his own loyal, admiring subordinates one layer down.
It's also possible that he wanted to give himself some sort of purpose, with how duty/obligation oriented he seems to have been. (this is also a good candidate for what his previous existence as a giant creature burrowing through an empty wasteland would have been 'missing')
One trait all 3 of his children (that we get greater detail on) seem to have in common is that they have some drive to make themselves useful and/ or have a purpose - which of course, alas interacted adversely with the various ways he couldn't quite do right by each of them.
He's effectively inflicted the same fate he wanted to get away from on Ghost (who ends up running into the very featureless wasteland their father came from, thinking they're not wanted as a 'discarded failure'), meanwhile THK/PV seems to have tried very hard to live up to the role they've been given but it's an unwinnable impossible mission that will require them to endure untold suffering, & then we have Hornet who wanted to make herself useful even as a kid chasing away the mites from the Distant Village's grannary but effectively existed in the shadow of mopping up his failures.
& when you get her opinion on his constructs... well. She's not awed or impressed by them at all, after all he's not her god, but her father. She actually knew him in mundane settings. Just like she knows exactly how the constructs work, she can point out details of how they were built, even the flaws in them. She knows the Wingmoulds were the clumsy first attempts.
Far from being awed or mystified, she remembers him as sort of clumsy, impotent ("fallen domain") and foolish [but with a "just like me" very loudly implied] - like she can't separate her feelings about the construct from their maker, or her feelings about her father from those about herself. (at least, in the aftermath of her own Grand Mistake)
She, too is a sort of aloof person who often feels a distance between herself and the 'regular' people she wants to be with, but finds it important to makes an effort even though it doesn't come naturally, though it seems she let herself get quite distant from those she was supposed to protect during her time as Hallownest's guardian.
Also very much a natural leader type (probably more so than him - on account of also getting her mother's "strong", "fierce" disposition - he wasn't that tough, like, he crumbled in defeat in the end. We find his remains in a sad little heap.) but is uncomfortable with any kinda leadership position because of the expectations that go with it, that she's been smothered in from the start.
some of which is due to his actual failures that are absolutely his fault, & some of which is the other Weavers kinda taking out their mommy issues on Hornet. (which is not his fault at all) - Herrah was of course over there trying her best to do this (bless her.), but the folks behind her were shouting very loud & eventually she had to leave to deal with the Radiance problem. The stupid plan was probably supposed to save Hornet most of all, like it would make all the sacrifices worth it when at least she gets to live in peace - but it was not to be. He miscalculated.
There's an interesting dynamic where in a way they have similar ideals and struggles... but also some resentment because, as she sees it, she has that strugle because of him, or because of being connected to him. He'd be the reason why she feels at a distance from others - if it weren't for him she could at least have fit in with the other Weavers.
Other wyrms aren't really around & were considered near-extinct mythical beasts even at the time he first arrived in Hallownest. & then Hornet proceeded to outlive most of the Weavers too. They can't even commiserate cause he got himself killed (with the specifics ambiguous, but most likely self-inflicted somehow) though he was supposed to be the immortal one. Now Hornet is extinct mythical beast on both sides!
She'd actually would have the wilder pedigree compared to her half-siblings if it werent for the void thing, seeing as Roots still seem to be around in some capacity.
I do find it interesting that the pale king and white lady are the only gods that dont actively use hive mind were they incapable? I mean the pale king could affect the minds of bugs giving them free will and intelligence and he did desire worship as both a pale being and a Wyrm.
Grand mother silk is interesting because she didn’t seem to start out with a hive mind until the hunting which was well past the time she made the weavers
I also find it interesting that the pale king and white lady didn’t seem to have a preference for bugs
Radiance has her moths
Umm has the mosskin
Grand mother silk has the weavers
Pale king and white lady: the vessels??? But they came later and are literally their children they kinda picked everyone with no distinct bias
I really want to know more about them
Since the cover of The Hybrid Prince is being revealed today, I decided to draw Umber for the first time
Love to see my boi getting the spotlight