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The Keemstar Jonghyun Situation

I have come back to make this one post to ask something of you.

I will fill you in on the situation:

- This very distasteful youtube channel called void (@/voydage on twitter) made a diss track alongside Keemstar (an idividual just as distasteful overall) against kpop stans. Kpop stans are annoying and constantly try to cancel people for any little reason, but this is not why it is wrong.

- In minute 3:05 they decide to use SHINee Jonghyun's suicide as a way to 'roast' kpop, because agencies don't treat their idols right.

- While this is true, using a man's suicide

- Idols have n o t h i n g to do with these kpop stans. No idol is to blame about the way their fans behave, it's not something they can control, and the fact that people can't grasp that is beyond me. You didn't roast kpop stans. You made normalized and made a very serious issue seem like something vulgar.

- This idol has done nothing to this youtuber, and because he doesn't like kpop stans he decided to disrespect Jonghyun even after his death, going as far as not even bothering to learn his name and calling him 'Kim' when he tried to release an 'explanation' on his twitter (click here to see said video) to try and get away from all the people who were calling him out.

- In that twitter video he explains that he was calling out the industries and then proceeded to say that kpop stans can't take criticism. However, what he forgets is that criticising the companies and the industry that we ALL collectively hate and constantly call out, is not a jab at kpop stans, it's not a diss at kpop stans, it is in fact SIDING with kpop fans, so his explanation makes no sense and he clearly just wanted to spark a reaction, which he did.

- On top of that, in the diss track in question and in this particular part, they use a picture of Jonghyun plus two pictures of his funeral, one of his casket being carried and one of people mourning him.

- As if it already wasn't distasteful anough to try and get clout and profit, and trying to get some 'sick bars' out of Jonghyun's death, they put pictures of his funeral in the video.

Jonghyun's death is to be respected and not to be used in some low life's sick disstrack video.

After all this being said, I ask that you report this video, for the explanation above. There was no reason to mention his death, or to show pictures of it, it's ridiculous, disrespectful, and they should know better.

Suicide is a huge problem in this industry. Don't let people step all over it as if kpop idols don't deserve as much respect as your loved ones. Idols are people, their lives and deaths are to be respected. Thank you.

ljstlr

APPARITION.

kim yugyeom x reader.

genre: angst

tw: mentions of ghosts / wandering souls, death, car accident

words: 1985

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You tossed and turn in your bed. You can’t remember when the last time was since you had gotten proper sleep, but you honestly didn’t mind anymore. You felt like a soul-less human being who’s just waiting for their body to give up.

And the wandering soul in the corner of your room didn’t like that. He sighed and sat on the corner of your bed which made you sit up to look at him.

“I hate seeing you like this,” Yugyeom spoke with evident pain in his eyes. Never in your whole life did you think that you can see emotions on ghosts, but there it was.

“I miss you.” You replied while fighting back the tears that’s building up in your eyes.

It’s been two years since you lost the love of your life. He was involved in a car accident after the engines in his vehicles started malfunctioning, so he lost control which led to a hard impact on a concrete wall. The doctors tried their best to resuscitate him – you saw that. But it was no use since they couldn’t get a heartbeat anymore.

“I’m always here, (y/n).” Yugyeom tried to take a hold of your hand but once again it didn’t work. His hand passed by like cold wind and he sighed.

“But I can’t physically feel you anymore.” You smiled bitterly.

After the night of his funeral, you woke up in disbelief when you saw a ghost-like figure of Yugyeom standing in front of your bed. You gulped but he just had a smile on his face. Turns out, it was your boyfriend’s soul wandering the earths. He came directly to you and never left.

“Go to sleep, my love.” He whispered, ignoring the stinging pain in his heart from your last statement. And you know you hurt him, so you nodded and laid back down. Thankfully, you finally got to slumber this time around.

No one talked to you in university. Ever since Yugyeom’s tragic death, you cut off everyone in your life and no matter how hard they tried to reconnect with you, you shut them off every time. The pity stares and comments never ended but it’s not like you care.

You walked silently to your lockers to gather the books you needed for your morning classes. You paused to smile at the polaroid sitting at the front of your locker – it was your high school graduation and the both of you had the biggest smiles while hugging one another. Oh, the things you’d give up just to hold him like that once more.

The bell rang which disrupted you from your thoughts. You shut your lockers and proceeded to your first class. You sat on the very back where no one could bother you, as usual.

“Good morning class. We have a new student, please introduce yourself.” The business professor spoke, and you stared at the man beside him. He had a laptop bag hanging on his right shoulder and he was dressed neatly.

“Hi. I’m Jinyoung. I transferred from Oakley University.” The young man spoke with a smile on his face the whole time.

You were so lost in your thoughts about him that you didn’t notice him taking a seat in the vacant chair right next to you. He flashed you that smile once again, and you couldn’t help but smile back.

Yugyeom found himself in the same situation again. He was battling with the light that was trying to take his soul back to where it belonged, but he refused to do so. And each time it gets harder and harder to fight back.

But he couldn’t leave you. So, he poured all the energy he had left, and the light eventually disappeared once again. He didn’t know how longer he could fight – he was getting tired, and he knows it’s time to go.

The thought of leaving you behind – the woman that he fought for, prayed for, and loved the most scared him. Although he knows that the current situation you have would never work. He was just a soul – he couldn’t even touch or hold you and that pained him.

You don’t know what happened and how it happened. But you were in a café with Jinyoung and you two are sharing a conversation. There was just something about the man that you can’t afford to say no to.

You also couldn’t help but notice the smiles that your old friends and acquaintances were flashing your way. Maybe they’re glad that you’re finally opening up again to someone.

“So, for the business proposal, do you want to be partners?” Jinyoung spoke and quickly brought your attention back to him. He was slicing up the bread in front of you while he asked.

You smiled at the gesture. Yugyeom used to do that for you all the time.

“Why not?” You looked up to him and flashed him a genuine smile. It’s been a long time since you last smiled like that and you were having hundreds of multiple reactions in your body.

As the days passed by, Yugyeom couldn’t help but notice that you started going home late and he could feel an upbeat vibe from you – which was unusual.

He hated to be selfish, but he started to hate the way you were happy without him. But he didn’t tell you that cause it took you two whole years to be where you are right now, and he couldn’t take that away from you.

You lost so much in your life after his death. You stopped being a social butterfly, you stopped being the top of the classes, you stopped being the light of the party, and you stopped … loving. He knows you tell him a thousand times a day that you love him, but he felt otherwise.

He was just a soul and your love language is physical touch. He started thinking about all the things he took away from you and the guilt started consuming him.

Maybe it was time to stop fighting with the light.

You bid goodbye to Jinyoung’s friends as you both left the restaurant you just had dinner in. Ever since you met him, you were slowly getting back into life and you were scared. The last time you had control in your life was before Yugyeom died and that was a long time ago.

The car ride on the way home was silent. Jinyoung could tell you had a lot on your mind, and he let you be. You just watched the buildings and fixtures that is passing by as you contemplate about whether you were ready to get back on track or not.

Jinyoung insisted that he walk you to your apartment door and you couldn’t say no. You shared small conversations as you walked from the parking lot up until you reached the front of your door. The both of you stopped and he looked at you.

With the sincerest eyes and voice, he spoke, “I’m falling in love with you.”

You opened your apartment door and saw Yugyeom staring at you from the living room. You open your mouth to explain but he spoke first, “My time’s up, love.”

You were confused as he walked closer to you. He flashed a smile before speaking once again, “The light has been coming to take me for a while now, but I always fought back just to stay with you. But it’s time for you to be finally happy again.”

“Yugyeom, is this about Jinyoung? I swear … I don’t feel the same way.” You spoke as the tears flowed down your eyes. You were scared to lose him. You already lost him once and it would crash you to lose him again.

“You do. I know you do. You’re just holding back because I’m still here. But (y/n), you deserve to get back the life you lost because of me.” Yugyeom responded and he was crying now too.

“We both know this set-up is never going to work. We’re both too caught up with each other that it took us two years to realize that.” Yugyeom started wiping off the tears in your face which took you back – how could he be possibly touching you?

He laughed at your confused expression, “It’s my one last wish before I go with the light. To touch you one last time before I leave you forever.”

The sentence shattered your heart, but you were realizing the truth in the words he spoke.

“This isn’t going to be easy. We’ve been each other’s backbone since we were children. All my life was about loving and taking care of you and I’m thankful for that. But as for you, your life isn’t over yet.” Yugyeom took hold of both your hands.

“You deserve to love and be happy again. I held you back from that and you weren’t yourself for the longest time. It’s about the time that people still in your life get that back.” He rubbed his thumb across your hands which was a gesture that you missed so much from him.

You were going to miss that, and you were thankful to feel it one last time.

“Okay, Yugyeom. But can you hold me to sleep one last time before you go into the light?” You asked through the sobs and he nodded.

So, there you were, you both laid in my bed with his arms around you. He felt like a cold wind, but you didn’t complain. This was the one last time before you have to move on with your life without the man you’ve known to love even before you knew what love was.

“When you wake up, I won’t be here anymore, love.” Yugyeom whispered into your ear and you swallowed the lump in your throat.

“If you ever miss me, just look up in the night sky and if you see a star that’s shining so bright, just know that that’s me looking down on you from up above.” Yugyeom spoke once again which caused your tears to fall.

He shushed your sobbing before continuing to speak, “I know it hurts to be watching the night sky without me,”

“But the day will come that it would start hurting less because you’re bound to make new memories with the next man in your life.” You felt the pain in his voice.

“I won’t ever forget about you, Yugyeom.” You reassured him.

“And I won’t ever stop loving you, (y/n).” He spoke one last time before hugging you even tighter. And you fell asleep just like that.

Waking up was the hardest part. You cried when you couldn’t feel Yugyeom’s hands around you anymore and the thought of never seeing or touching him again didn’t help with the sobs.

You lost track of time, but you were taken aback when a light shone upon your room. It was already dark, and the binding light was shining so bright that it made you stand up and open the balcony door.

You were in awe when you saw a star that standed out – it was the brightest one in the night sky and it was shining down directly at you. You knew it was him and you smiled as the tears fell down your face.

The star blinked three times right in your face and you smiled as tears rolled down your face.

“I love you, Kim Yugyeom.” You spoke to the star as it continuously blinks.

The star suddenly shifted it’s brightness somewhere else. You followed its light and as you look down to where its shining at, you saw Jinyoung waving at you at the front of the building with your favorite pastries in his hand.

You look up to speak to the star once again, “And I’m finally ready to let go.”

The star blinked one last time, and you watch as its brightness fade away until it completely vanished in the night sky.

It’s time to be happy again.

illinicoise

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he gives out photocards of himself!!! IM DEAD

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lmao no I just need to finish school... I have chapter 1 finished but not edited and chap 2 started... I can probably post it by Saturday

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the way middle school me was whipped lowkey still am

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“The moment when the wave of dreams meets the wave of reality. Awakening from a dream, means your wish becomes reality. Through the new journey hoping that the world relates and understands. And resonates with our universe. Now we become one.”

the way I love nct but I felt like I was in the sat again trying to understand this

Not only are you not that bright but the fact that you kept that post up shows how racially insensitive you are. Kpop is built off black culture specifically and if you have a problem with that you should check yourself

What exactly is your problem? Where do I mention particularly black people? Since when are culture and race the same thing? Pretty sure not all people of color share the same culture. My post was alluding to the fact that not everything you see in k-pop that was taken as an inspiration from another culture has to be taken as mockery and offense. Key words: NOT. EVERYTHING. If you didn't see it, I'm sorry, can't help there. I kept that post up because I know many people have understood what I meant. I have no problems with 'k-pop was bulit of black culture' that obviously heavily influenced american music scene but if you think koreans should know black culture in and out, them being a relatively homogeneous society, never really mixing with any other race, you need to check yourself. Whole world is not to worry about colonization/slavery past and what white people did in the past. Should they know some stuff, yes. And I'm sure with years it will get better and better, people will learn and know where things come from and what they mean, as we have also seen in recent years, idols apologizing and understanding the issue that they didnt know of before. But my point stands not everything thats inspired by different culture is mockery.

The fact is the post was kept up despite the fact that many poc were uncomfortable with it. Korea and kpop idols are actually pretty progressive and knows a lot about black culture as many idols especially the AMERICAN ones have specifically said that they take inspiration from them. And yes the whole world is not about slavery but anti-blackness is rampant in the world which also affects Korea. If a culture is appropriated not matter what culture those people have the right to be offended. My problem even if you are a poc which if you are you need to check yourself is that you can’t tell people how to feel about people bein insensitive to THEIR culture

Its funny to me that this became a talk of race specially black people when nothing in my post even mentions it. Why? Korea is getting more and more open, been into kpop long enough to even notice it myself. Just the fact that you mentioned idols being inspired by black musicans should tell you enough that they aint mocking it. They wouldnt be inspired if they would belittle it. They know who it belongs to and where they saw it, they just dont know what it means. It is wrong? Innappropriate? Some things, yes.

Not telling people how to feel, you are welcome to be offended if thats how you see it, nobody should tell you that. But I take issue when people being ofended start talking and spreading hate. Even to the point that they attack people that arent offened or hell arent offended enough to cancel the idol right away, guilt tripping them into 'not being xy enough' if they 'prefer oppas over their culture'. Labeling idols as racist and all those big words. Those are big words they shouldnt be thrown around.

I mentioned black culture because that’s one of the most appropriated cultures in kpop (also Indian/Muslim culture, but it’s not my culture so I didn’t speak on it).You can also like something and still mock it those two things can co-exist.When a large group of people are upset then yes people will react differently, it may not be right but that’s just how it is. Cultural appropriation in kpop has been around for years and it’s at the point where if a certain group of people what to “cancel” an idol that’s their choice. That has barley any affect on the idol anyways. There are also famous idol who are actuall racist and still have careers so yes at some point you will get fed up. In your other post you said that you knew people agreed with you but just a quick look in the comments would tell you that people of color who have experienced culture appropriation were hurt and asked for the post to be taken down. Kpop should not come over morals.

I also saw alot of people liking my post or rebloging it hence assuming they see my point. They are not gonna really reply to it and get people attacking them, will they now? In my post I was not being rude, disrespectful, hurtful or hateful. I do not call out anybody specifically or use faulty words. I dont even talk about 'offended people' let alone insult them. I talk about communication, interpretation and intention and that's not me making things up, there are books on books written about it by many different people alot more smarter then me.

Never said those things don't present an issue at all. But alot of things in kpop start with people nitpicking at things basically in many cases just to spread hate and then everybody jumps on it even though they maybe didnt even have an issue with said thing in the beginning.

I did not engage with some comments under the post because they were simply rude and insulting. And I could of course reply with more rudeness and insults but thats not the kind of conversation I'm here for. Im not here to make everybody agree with me. Its not me putting kpop above morals, it's just me sharing a random thought I had, with no hate or disrespect to anybody.

Your point would be better recived if you hadn’t used the line “ Just because somebody uses something from your culture, it doesn’t by default mean they are offending or mocking you or your culture.” That’s hurtful to the people who have had their cultures used. People in the comments wanted you to check your privilege because if you had that post would have been worded better. Most time cultural appropriation is offending no matter the intention because a lot of the time it’s just used as fashion when there is history behind those things. I may have come off harsh in my first post but you offended many people with your post and kept it up despite it being hurtful and honestly the post comes off as tone deaf in many ways. Nobody isn’t saying you can’t have an opinion but if people in the comments are obviously upset then maybe you should reword what you were saying in a less tone deaf way.

And how exactly would you phrase it differently? To make it 'less tone deaf'?

Maybe your privilege is the fact that english is your 1st language and you see the 'deafness', english is my 3rd langague and I was trying to come off as netural as I can and my english allows me. If you always take taking something from a different culture as mockery, that is a you problem. Your point and feelings are very valid but you dont get to tell other people off for it.

There is always history behind everything, things dont just drop on earth at given time, there is history and contexts I dont know, you dont know but not knowing it, doesnt make me or you racist or xenophobic etc.

Maybe instead of telling people it’s a “you problem” actually listen to what people are saying it’s not only a me problem a large group of people were offended. I would have just simply said that most idols don’t have malicious intent and that would have been perfectly fine. If you wanted to have a real conversation like you said then instead of telling me about my privilege(which I know I have) you would have admitted your own and checked yourself. You don’t have to know everything that’s not the problem but when people are educating you in the comments and people are letting you know what you said was offensive then yeah it’s a problem and what’s called a micro agression. This isn’t just an opinion this is someone culture that they love and cherish, someone that brings them comfort. People tried to tell you the problem in the comments and the post was still left up and you still stand behind what the post said. The post wasn’t inherently racist but it was again a micro aggression. There is a difference between appropriation and appreciation and few idols actually have appreciation for the culture that they use.

My post was not saying 'dont be offended' it suggests that maybe you need to look at it differently. Reread your last reply and tell me if that is agressive? Belittling tone? Like I own you something. You know jack shit about my culture and history behind it and yet again as per usual, you for default know I'm privileged just beacuse you think world is divided into black and white. I dont take stuff personally on social media, you can shit on me and my people and culture all you want, I know ms truth. You suggesting there is something wrong with me? Im an alien not respecting my culture? How you react and how things make you feel - your problem, first thing you learn in theraphy. I didnt ask for education, if I wanna know something, I dont take lessons from social media I google and read about it myself.

I stand behind what I said, you not gonna bully me or guilt trip into thinking I said something wrong or rude. Not everything is mockery. Period. That is the point of my post. Could phrase it better, always. I respect you enough to respect your opinion that disagrees with my post and every respectful comment under it. But if you came with 'I'll knock your teeth out' and expect respect....

hey you’re mad as if you didn’t say multiple wildly offensive things about a culture and a people you probably know jack shit about besides maybe stereotypes and civil rights. can you tell the difference between dreads and locs? can you tell the difference between a wrap, a scarf and a durag and when do you use each?? what’s womanism?? who’s the main character of roots?? what are chitlins? what’s about the rules of aave?? what’s the difference between 4a and 4c hair?? no?? well never can the fucking idols who use that shit. and that’s why it’s upsetting. imagine if i came on the internet in hanbok calling it a “qipao” y’all would crucify me. you attack the shit out of black artists who use other cultures but as soon as we give you the same energy “it’s not everything is offensive” we live in a world where perception is reality. it does not matter your intent if it hurts people. And you should have never thought it was your place as a nonblack/nonpoc person to “tell bipoc to take a different perspective.” you know nothing of us and our struggles. did you know i live a place where i can be legally fired for wearing the hairstyles your idols take? i have watch my peers be threatened suspension over durags and bonnets and idols gets slap one on anytime they want to look “hip hop” or “bad boys”yet you want to tell me some grown man decided he respected the culture so much yet knows so little about it and does like the one thing we say don’t do?? still he brings no light to the multiple people around the world who are being oppressed for the culture he decided to dawn for the day?? but he appreciates us right?? really??

your first post really should have never existed... all did was try and gaslight bipoc into forgive your faves which is sad....

What exactly did I say widely offensive? Enlighten me please. Again pretty sure I never mention black hairstlyes or ‘things that make you hip hop’ to be an ok thing to do. But since its example time: saying that using typical architectures in music videos and stages, saying that dancing on rugs is an issue, when they are a very common thing in almost every household, saying that xy is mocking an entire culture for making a random hand gesture, while xy doesn’t know what that gesture means, saying wearing animal print is somehow offensive, when it is very common thing, making food that’s not from your culture can also on social media somehow be offensive and CA. You have to recognize that CA is a very westernized thing, from history where an opressor is using a culture they opressed, appropriating it to fit their culture and make it ‘theirs’. Korea as a nation had very little to nothing to do with colonazing Africa or any other part of the world, hence koreans are not at fault with the fact that you can be fired for wearing said hairstyles. Still never said its cool to pull those off to ‘look more hip hop’. I do not in fact know much about black culture in details simply because its not my reality, I’ve seen maybe 5 black persons in my life, not every part of the world is a melting pot that the USA is.

Do you know what orthodox chistiantiy is? What differences it has with regular Chistianity? Where it comes from? What countries have it as official religion? Do you know what Ottoman empire did in southeast Europe in their time? Do you know what happened in Yugoslavia? Belgrade? Kosovo? The whole WWI or WWII? Do you know that white people were actually slaves as well, by other white people but also by POC? Can you actually name 5 ethnicities in Europe? Do you know what ‘kolo’ is? Do you know what ‘slava’ is? Do you know what monastery is? Where european languages come from? ? Ancient Greece? Rome? Vikings? What those civilization mean to todays Europe? Where the idea of democracy comes? Are you 100% you never said or did something that another culture could consider offensive?

um yes I do know these things bc unlike for you, I am forced to learn about the culture of white nations... I have written papers on orthodox christianity, ww1 and 2. I literally had to study ancient Rome and Greece for years. I am forced to learn about white nations. and guess what?? its not my reality either. YOUR CULTURE IS REQUIRED, MINE IS AN ELECTIVE. Don’t ever compare your ignorance to mine. I, as a poc, am forced to care and know about white history and yes if youre wondering I scored 5/5 on all of world and European history exams thank you.

if you dont know bipoc what in your right told you that you had any authority to tell them anything?? was it the white supremacy that holds you up everywhere in the world?? or maybe its the anti blackness that is rampant in east Europe that made you think you, a white person, gets to tell bipoc how they feel like they are children??

Korea doesn't have to do with colonialism in Africa or the Americas but what about the anti blackness in their own fucking country? what about mistreatment that half black Koreans face? what about the clubs/bars/restaurants that deny service to black people?? what about the Koreans who blame us for 1992 race riots despite them happening because a Korean woman murder a little girl and got away with it?? or Korean immigrants who treat us like thieves even though they moved to OUR communities and open businesses?? you want to tell me that these idols appreciate my culture while never speaking out against things like this??

Everyone is tell you that this isn't your topic to speak on bc you don't know the nuances of black and korean relations... your statement about ca inherently includes black people and culture bc its one of, if not the most, frequently used cultures...

here's the offensive things you did:

called a black woman aggressive despite you being equally if not more (feeds into the angry black woman stereotype)

told a black person how to feel (which will never be your place bc you aren't black or this persons mama)

tried to pretend that white privilege doesn't apply to you (which it does)

downplayed other offensive things bc you, a white person, doesn't care to research and understand nuance

said you know nothing of black culture and still tried to make a point about it

I have said offensive things but instead of crying and playing the victim. I fucking listen. maybe you should try it

If you did learn about europe and history then you know there are white nations that had nothing to do with colonazing Africa yet we still get thrown into that bag because we are white. Eastern Europe can be viewed as racist of course, also partly because we didnt really mix with black people or any other race in the lasty century or more, people are simply closed minded, not mixing and living with POCs is also a reason why my white privilege doesnt make sense in my daily life, we dont play who is more whiter, our system has other prefrences. My original post was however not talking about opression and racism, I dont even mention it in the slightest and yet Im not calling you people stupid or irrational for bringing that up. I was simply stating for every culture out there (white cultures included) that things dont have to be taken as mockery in every single case, we live in the digital globalized world where cultures and what comes with it, is mixing more then ever before in real life and online.

well first, ca is apart of structure of racism and oppression. they aren't separate issues. if you bring up ca, you bring up racism and oppression bc those motivate ca. ca is only an issue bc racism and oppression exist. ca wouldn't be a thing with it.

I called you white bc you literally are and thus you benefit from white supremacy which gives white privilege. the fact that you can choose to be ignorant is white privilege. the fact you dont have to care about offending black people is white privilege. and I dont care about the point you are making the fact is that you have no right to say that about any culture but your own. ITS THAT ITS NOT FOR YOU TO SAY. YOUR OPINION DOESNT MATTER BC ITS NOT HAPPENING TO YOU. us people of color can form our own opinions about ca. we dont need white people’s help. you aren't an authority on every culture. you are an authority on your own and thats it.

fyi: im going to chalk this up to language barrier but saying “not mixing” when referring to race makes you sound like a trump supporter. pls dont phrase things like that.

Thank you see I was making a point about CA being an issue connected to colonization and opression, calling it a 'westernized thing' it didnt really go down that well. Serious question though if you say CA is a thing with opression and racism, you take koreans doing ca wrong because they can be racist? I saw your post on Ateez and I'm genuinely curious.

Im not even trying to be an authority on every culture, far from it. I was including my own and every culture I do know. You keep talking to me with 'white person' tone, white people this, white people that. Im not white people, Im just one person that happens to be white and I dont live in the states I dont know the words Trump and his supporters use.. I was not starting the race talk and I actually dont wanna be a apart of it, call it white privilege, call it me not knowing it well enough, whatever you want. But I think INSPIRATION from another culture, can be literally anything, inspired food, inspired fashion, music etc. doesnt have to be mockery, no matter the race, not with these new generations. For example I love mexican food, I make tacos and other dishes at home, would I make it if I find it disgusting and thought mexicans eat garbage? I dont think so, still I was attacked because some people find that ca. I love the look of braids, I cant pull it off I have 4 hair follicales on my head. Would I wanna wear it if I found them ugly? Dont think so. You see in my part of Europe that I know, people who have issues with for example black hairstyles will hate it on a white person as well, they wouldnt find it cool.

first I was genuinely giving you a tip about phrasing your sentences in English. as a native speaker, I was trying to help you know why you shouldn't phrase things certain ways.i dont think you are a racist but you are sounding like one bc of the way you say things. and as someone who decided to learn English and speak with English speakers, thats something you need to make sure you aren't doing. also im not having a race talk with you. you dont deserve it. second, you aren't a person who happens to be white, youre white. I never said anything about all white people. I talked about you and your whiteness. its not an insult.

my post about ca is about the idea that culture is appropriated based on stereotypes and racism. idols wear these braids bc they have an image of what/ who black people are. they associate black people and black hairstyles with aggressiveness, with violence, with gangs and hiphop which is a stereotype and mocking. ateez was the clearest bc ateez had to very distinct comebacks up against each other and the one that was delicate about love and passion had no ca. but the aggressive one and being rowdy did. so its very clear what they think about those styles. think about Zico, anytime he wants to be a bad ass thug, its all durags and cornrows. but as soon as he has a comeback like “I am me, you are you” he’s back to looking korean. it is clear that they think black culture is the opposite of pretty, delicate or graceful which is inherently tied to the racism that was used to justify our murders.

ca is a functional misuse of these things. Idols functionally misuse black culture when they do ca. you dont get cornrows bc you want a 90s look. you get cornrows to protect your hair. you dont wear a durag bc you “have black soul” an exact Zico quote. you wear a durag to keep you hair healthy. we know that these idols dont know this so we know they are doing it for the wrong reasons. black hairstyles are not to look pretty or ornate, they are functional things. they are just also pretty but thats not why you get them. you and these idols want them bc they're pretty. I need them to keep hair in my head.

what I think you are missing here is not everything that is racist is racist bc of intent... just because Koreans dont know doesn't make it not racist. things are still functionally racist without the person doing it wanting to be racist. just because you accidentally stabbed me, doesn't mean you didnt stab me.

Valid point. I get it but in court if I was to be judged for stabbing you, it would still be quite important if I had an intention of stabbing you or not.You can say things that are racist without wanting to (clearly it seems with my example) but my take is that intention and context when it comes to deciding if something is an inspiration or mockery to a culture is still important (excluding from the converastion: black hairstlyes, native american head pieces or any religious things and props) especially in a non-verbal communication.

yes those matter but if a large amount of people in that community thinks its mockery or says it feels like mockery. the intent doesn't matter anymore. if the jury/judge thinks youre guilty, you still go to jail.

true, but if jury/judge don’t think I’m guilty, I’m free.My chances there are 50/50 and I find it really similar with inspiration or mockery, within the same culture you have people on either sides, some that find it mocking and some that don’t see it as an issue. It could be equally wrong to dismiss those who take time to explain why they didn’t find an issue, as it is to dismiss those who did.

i agree but that’s something only people the community can argue... the jury does discount the members who disagree bc if most of the jury thinks you’re guilty you get guilty... we as a community and as individuals get to decide our rulings... we also get to decide what our punishments are... that’s why i’m just as valid in still stanning ateez as the people who unstanned and stopped supporting them are.

the reason black people don’t like hearing the opinions of non black people on black ca is because y’all aren’t the jury right now. y’all are the people screaming outside the courthouse

But who do I side with, being part of the crowd that screams outside of the courthouse, I mean they do usually stand for something, right? Even if it just screaming for the sake of screaming? Can I think that somebody who doesn’t have an issue, doesn’t know their culture or that somebody who does find an issue doesn’t know what the hell they are talking about? Of course not, both sides can teach ME something new. That’s why I, as a screaming crowd, made a point about ‘interpretation’, because I think that’s what makes the difference in why are there two sides in one culture when it comes to those things.

the things is you as a voice outside the courthouse don’t have to be there. you don’t have to scream. you can learn from both sides with saying a word. how are you even hearing us if you are screaming? all the people who are outside screaming do make it harder for the people inside. how are we supposed to hear each other? how are we supposed make sure we’ve looked at everything? there’s too much screaming. tthe people in jury know more facts about the case than the people outside.

i mean look at xiaojun. how are black nctizens supposed formulate a true response to him that is fair when non black nctizens tried erase it all? so now black nctizens want to unstan we can’t do anything but that.

black people don’t want to cancel their faves. we want to hold them accountable. we just aren’t able to bc there are people screaming outside.

What did Xiaojun do? Asking truly, I dont know. Saw some thing with Hendry. I agree, totally. Alot is said on those things by white people adding their two cents and speaking for and over POC fans, but I saw it go either way, white people can be offended for a culture that they dont belong to or dismiss the issue and alot depends on if its their faves in question or not. I didnt really play a judge on any particular thing, I know some things, for sure not enough to make any valid points. I do have my interests in how we communicate and forms of communication and people's mind when it comes to receiving messages in any form. I could phrase my post better, I second guess my english every other word, Im not a native speaker. I might rephrase it after thinking it through to take away and add to it, to and make it clear that I dont want to be a part of the jury that decides the punishment. I'm merely an observer, an accidental witness.