This is gonna be a long rant
No need to say this but I am a CS, I strongly believe they were in love and actually believe they still are. If you donât see it Iâm sorry for you bc it means youâve never been in love and seen someone staring at you like they do. âšPlus our captain Dinah (and her aunt) made it pretty clear. If youâre in doubt it could also be bc of the narrative stupid managers tried to pull, but honestly anyone can see through it. I suggest you read Emisons Camren theory and post about synchronization (which I found out after I made my mind clear ab Camren) which makes perfectly sense and was confirmed to be true at 98% by ExposingLaucy.
Let me say that of course this is just my opinion and I ALWAYS take into consideration that it could be not real. I respect L and C personal life and never dare to intrude or comment their post on social networks. I want them to be happy and if they are now (I believe they are) I am happy. They can be whom whoever THEY want.
Said so, hereâs my delusional Camren theory. Itâs not about proving Camren is real but an analysis of their relationship (I tried to be accurate, considering songs, interviews, trustworthy sources, timing).
I believe they had feelings for each other since the beginning (2012-3), especially C, but they genuinely thought they were just friends or that it was nothing serious (ExposingLaucy said C was the one to fell in love - âMine is Laurenâ âWho are u kissing under the mistletoe?â Her obsession with âNormaniâ- and L slowly fell in love w her). Thatâs why L gave birth to Camren âitâs Camren yoâ (16 oct 2012) and why they were so explicit in the interviews, on camera, tumbrl, twitter, bc they thought it was a joke and were really close. Then ppl started to see what basically they couldnât see or admit to themselves yet (love in their eyes), ppl started shipping them and assuming they were together but again they brushed it away and even invited us to float that f boat (Nov 2013). I believe if they ever kissed before 2014 it was as a joke, at least for L (âWhat happened in the elevator?â Feb 2013 DinahJane on twitter. #camrenfeels 28th June 2013 and the photo of them cuddling, L saying âThanks babeâ Feb 2014 and being totally chill with it) and above all they never talked about it.
I know C said back then that her first kiss was at 17 (and everyone assumed it was with Austin but could have been with L - April 2014) and then in a recent interview ab her album she said she was 16 when she had her first kiss so it could be 1) they kissed before 2) they kissed before but as a joke and then, after realizing how they felt for each other, she reconsider that kiss 3) she messed up with her memory, she gets confused by all the bs they made her say during these years. In the same interview she said she had her first breakup at 17, which could be her telling bs and alluding at her breakup with Austin (even tho in other interviews she dismissed that relationship) or what Iâll explain later about her relationship with L.
I think C was the first to realize she had feelings for L and thatâs when she wrote âOnly told the moonâ (where sheâs scared ab her emotions and afraid the other person wonât feel the same way) even though she wrote a tweet âonly told the moonâ in Jun 2015. What we know through EL is that they were both each otherâs first kiss and everything. [plus Iâm still not over Sep 2013 when C cries singing Who are you and L glances at her every other second].
We assumed Camren real first kiss was in April 2014 (1975 concert) and it is rumored that L broke up w Brad in Dec 2014 after 8 moths. Now, I donât believe they had an actual relationship but more a fling and not that long (L was supposed to be w Luis Felipe right? They broke up Aug 2014. And in July we have the suspicious Camrenâs moans in the bunk). ANYWAY the import part is that Brad wrote I found a girl that goes âshe said that she tried but sheâs not into guysâ. So now what I think is that thatâs basically L freaking out about the kiss she had with C because she realized she had feelings for her (so more than friendship), trying to convince herself sheâs not into girls, rushing into Luis and then B to prove herself wrong, then again going back to C still confused until she figures it out later. Especially when you are bisexual the process can be hard because you try to understand where you stand, if you like boys OR girls, so itâs confusing when you have feelings for both and u try to deny one or the other until you realize bisexual is A THING. The Vamps made it clear that the song is for L and then took a photo with a âCamren is realâ sign in the back (well done Brad, youâre an asshole). In the song he also said that this girl started to talk to him about the other girl she was involved with, so he knew who L was in love with.
In 2014 C is in a PR relationship with Austin Moron and I think C wrote The Exchange song (unreleased as well) about that period. I came up with the timing according to a period when they were both dating others; after Chocolate by 1975 was out - weâre dressed in black, head to toe, itâs from that song while C wrote âweâll be dressed in, all black from head to toeâ and twitted it in apr 2015; also Câs tweets with the lyrics of the song - âthereâs nothing like me and you and you know itâ Apr 2014 - Â and L indirects. I think itâs ab Lauren also bc she wrote âthereâs beats Iâve been skipping when my head is on your chestâ and Iâve never seen C doing that with a boy. Plus the part where she says the other person knows thereâs nothing like the two of them and âyouâve been trying to say it ainât trueâ so again L rushing into L/B.
I think after Brad and A, they were together, during 2015 (thatâs when C appeared with the ring - EL said L gave it to C in Feb 2015 - and when they try to hide and look distant in front of the camera, yet close behind cameras) but still in a confused way during all that year, with ups and downs. Iâd say C was pretty cool with her sexuality while L had more difficulties; and that explains to me why C cries singing Who are you basically every time (remember the girls co-worked in writing this one, if you look up on google you can see how Camila and Laurenâs names are the first ones written). Also thatâs when she could have come up with IHQ bc she said she started writing it two years before it was released (May 2017). âMy name was safest in your mouthâ, âyour voice, it was the most familiar soundâ âi was there when no one wasâ and in the end - this part could have been written back then or in 2017 but either way express a miscommunication- âHow do I fix it? Can we talk? Can we communicateâ and âDo I wanna fix it? Is it my fault? Do u miss me?â.
I think that Lauren was the one that struggled the most (from the beginning 2013), she also said in an interview (2017) that when she was little was very confused and that people calling her bisexual/gay made her angry because she couldnât understand how they figured it out and what was about her that made them think that. Itâs also tricky was she said just after that. The interviewer asked her âDid your parents know before you came out?â ab your sexuality and she said âyes, they knew before, I was dating a girl AT THE TIME so they had to knowâ. So ok, who was she dating tho? Lucy? Yeah right.
I think that they had a shit load of pressure from managers to not be together and at least behave in front of the camera. I remember L (think it was Sept 2015) in an interview she said âwhen life hits love sometimes you just dieâ, i mean thatâs daaark, girl! Anyways, that must have led to a lot of fights between the two of them especially because you can see how in a lot of interviews C kept staring L or doing things that were pointing obviously to Camren while L was trying harder to hide it. I think C might have felt rejected and they didnât talk about all of this (and you can tell again by their songs that they had relationship where they didnât comunicate - expectation, somethingâs gotta give, in the dark, IHQ.. someone put also In your phone but L didnât write that one).
I think thatâs when C wrote Must be love, this songs screams Camren like maybe no other and describes this period. In fact she says she fell hard, that she gets mad and puts on a show, there are highs and lows, everything gets real after two am (secret relationship), that sheâs gonna look at her right back and âI promise you wonât like thatâ (L pissed every time C is explicit) and they fuss and fight but yet she wouldnât have it any other way.
Also itâs a link to Consequences, which is in the album (in Must be love she goes âI guess everything has consequenceâ) and this song has no straight-relationship explanation. Through Consequences C describes her relationship w L and what had caused. I believe she is telling us all that she loved L so much she didnât care about the consequences that came with it, which is f managers treating them like shit, make them hide it and led to them fight as well. It is not coincidence that she wrote this in Jan 2017 after she was out the group. It is not a coincidence that in concert before playing Consequences she always sings Falling in love (âWise men say only fools rush inâ is also the beginning of Must be love). And there are links to âShe loves controlâ in my opinion which I think describes L and maybe the role she played in all this Camren shit. (Ok C has stated that she has OCD but she doesnât go to club and when sheâs in love she fell hard so u know, so much for the control). In Must be love says âyou control me more than youâve ever knownâ and in Sangria Wine âyo so que tu quieres controlar mi menteâ that made me think the person sheâs talking ab in She loves control might not be herself but another person. Many were shook about L singing âshe doesnât let me have control anymoreâ in Strangers which is a HELL of a coincidence but I think Halsey wrote it so Iâm not sure whether we should consider it or not.
Also you can tell that their relationship was never defined properly by the fact that C many times during interviews referred to a relationship she had and described it as âsort of friendship â or âromantic relationship or whatever that wasâ( also look for unreleased song of C âLike friends doâ = Iâll sit straight it the couch like friends so. And Iâll stop kissing your mouth like friends do. Cause I canât look at you quite like friens do. You donât say my name quite like friends do).
During 2015 to 2016 we saw a lot of things that suggested the ups and down. Remember that 2015 C had major anxiety problems and a lot of trash was thrown from the fandom (especially after IKWYDLS). C saying she rather date someone out of the industry but âyou canât decide who you fall in love with, UNFORTUNATELYâ. Or when they fought in another interview when C was being too obvious bc she said she would marry her celebrity crush (or any crush) even if their parents did not approve, tho she didnât say who her crush was but âitâs importantâ and âiâd be in love with my celebrity crushâ (she always said it was Lauren). Or when they tried to make each other jealous.
Then 2016 is tricky. They started the 7/27 tour and again we see ups and downs but mostly L more at ease with her feelings for C. I think C was still struggling with her anxiety problems and all the narrative the managers were forcing the 5 of them to follow (they were prep Câs departure). I remember how L broke down 8 Sep 2016 singing No way, she always said that it was her fav song and described it as a dialogue happening in a couple; a toxic situation, two people who wants to be together but know shouldnât be together and also ppl from the outside telling them they shouldnât be together (she was so into this song that during a soundcheck she said she actually could imagine a visual and music video for it). She also cried during Scared to be happy and then tweeted after the concert the she got emotional because of the LYRICS. This was in Phoenix after the show in Texas where we saw Lucy. So that made me think she was struggling back then (remember that 4 days before, C left the stage in Missouri for anxiety), trying to figure out what to do between what she felt and also the pressure for the outside (maybe C, sure as hell managers and the PR ready to come).
I think that L in 2016 realized that she wanted to commit, as I said she seemed more at ease with her sexuality. She was happy during photos with CS, she danced with the pride flag, we have the blurry kiss in London (May 2016) in front of Lucy (!!), L even interacted with C during sound-checks and sang Dope to C (who was pretty surprised), she protected her from those balloons, C and L staying one more day in Barcelona, we had the VMAs (August 2016), she called her baby and so on. She seemed very protective. I believe thatâs bc they were prepping the Laucy thing and her coming out. EL said they began the process leading to Laucy in June 2016 (remember the two of them in Colombia for Lâs birthday, the videos of L dancing BBW to Lucy and so on - Emisonme explained perfectly).
I think that is why she came out in the end, after all this struggles, bc she felt ready, I donât think she was forced to. Letâs be honest, if she didnât want to she could have said it wasnât her in the Laucy photo or sheâs not so dumb, youâre at a family wedding and you get caught kissing a girl and the photo got leaked?! I say BS. And then she decided to make a photo book with Lucy as a coming out statement?! If she wasnât ready to do it, none of this would have happened. I think she did it for two reasons: 1) Trump was pissing her off 2) to tell C that she was ready; they let her do it bc it was convenient for her image and 5h. Â At the beginning of Havana - the music video - thereâs an awkward scene, completely out of context. A guy comes out of a closet and says âI was in the closetâ and C âso now, youâre out of the closet?â And he goes, a bit confused, âyes, for YOUâ. Like wtf? C, was it necessary?! And donât let me start with that video. C is watching the tv and you can here a woman saying in spanish âI want to be with Carmen but I canât â, you can see a figure very similar to L and in the end C said âI love you, but I love myself moreâ which again made me think sheâs the one that walked away in the end. Camila is giving us so many signs if u donât see this youâre really dumb.
L obviously couldnât come out without saying there was another girl, otherwise Camren was automatically confirmed in our mind. And who better than your best friend to help you do so and make it believable? Honestly it was a smart move and all the hate, slut shaming and shit Lucy received, she didnât deserved it. I believe it was PR and that C was aware of this and supported it but it could have also been difficult for her. Even though she knew it wasnât real, she might have been scared L might get involved for real, especially if you consider the fact that Camren could never be proud and loud, idk. Emisonme on tumbrl explained the Laucy shit so perfectly that I suggest u read it, I agree with everything she said. Again Emisonme explain PERFECTLY why L could come out as bi while C canât (and sheâs so gay sheâs shitting rainbows).
I think shit went down tho, and they fell apart. I donât know if it was bc of managementâs pressure or miscommunication or whatever but apparently C walked away (as she said in many interviews that the situation was toxic - not the relationship - in somethingâs gotta give and Havana music video and in concert before singing Scar Tissue). I think that their break-up happened during that period of L coming out and C leaving/kicked out fifth harmony but that is so messed up Iâm not elaborating [Theory: C leaving 5h was always supposed to happen]. Just remember how Dinahâs aunt said that Lauren would be devastated by the fact C left (âIâm pretty sure Lauren is heartbroken and shook, she is probably crying her brain away. But she already knew. If anything Lauren is leaving too. You gotta have your girlâs back. Of course Iâm sure they are going to do a duet like on their own, you know, in the bedroom.â)
Thatâs when L was reaaally pissed at Camren fans (the tweet in Feb 2017), went a bit sassy in interviews avoiding to talk about C, and after âleaving Lucyâ she âstarted dating Tyâ (I call PR huge af). The reasons why she was pissed ab CS could be many, for starters I believe they broke up (so thatâs one), n2 she came out and faked a relationship with another girl to protect Câs straight image and yet everyone kept believing in Camren, n3 her managers made her pull her straight image as well starting dating Ty to shut us up BUT I believe the real reason is n4 managers wanted to kill Camren (to launch Câs straight image) and destroy her image (as they did with the marijuana shit they pulled) bc even though i think the first three reasons are true and thatâs what was going on in Lâs mind I donât think she would attack her fans and C like that. Anyways L tweeted âeyes on the moonâ the day the Grammys (Feb 2017) were held and we know who the moon is.
I think Câs the one who walked away also bc of âMake u madâ, which was written mostly by L and sheâs pissed yâall. There are also links btw this song and Câs songs. L also sang Back to me, she collaborated in writing the text but I donât know to what extent but still a HELL of a coincidence.
I think they first met after all this shit at the Grammyâs after party in Feb 2017 but didnât interact. Camila was there and she said that âIn the darkâ is about a boy she met there; then we have L who tweeted just the day after the Grammyâs after party ab waking up with hang over and understanding whatâs fake and real. Funfact: read the lyrics of In the dark. âVampires at the same placesâ we know Lauren is Lamp. L is running and âmaking rounds with your fake friendsâ and again âi can see uâre scared of your emotions, i can see youâre hoping youâre not hopelessâ âwho are u when itâs 3am and u are all aloneâ âsecrets, endlessâ. Basically sheâs asking this person to show her her real self.
Ppl said they met in March/April 2017 (i think) in studio (Diploâs?) and I think thatâs when C came up with All these years (L had longer hair - she had it cut in 2016; she had gained a bit of weight - thatâs for arms stronger; her eyes, I mean WE BEEN KNEW; C was not prepared so she didnât know L was going to be there; it was a quick hello bc they were not fine back then; âsounds like youâre happy with herâ could be Lâs PR; âwish I loved u like I miss uâ implies that she had a relationship with that person but maybe not loved her in the right way or enough to make it last - she confirmed in an interview that this song is about an ex; who does C knows from YEARS? If I hear another SM shipper Iâll throw up)
Anyways I think that towards the mid of 2017 they kinda reconnected and now theyâre in good terms. Remember how C said multiple times how even though it was a toxic situation sheâd do it all over again. So that makes me think that they loved each other and the problem was mostly all the environment they were into (if the relationship was trash why on earth would she do it again?!) and C is trying to say to L: baby come back to me.
Since this is not a post w the intent of explaining why Camren is real I wonât elaborate.
In conclusion I think they are still in love (C sang it in every possible way) and probably a couple or working on to be one and the problems in their relationship were due to miscommunication and pressure from the outside.
â> Again Emisonme made super clear why they couldnât be together in the Music business.Â
Stay strong in this PR shit and let them be. Even if they donât tell us, doesnât mean it isnât true.Â
Just remember EL said 2018 would be the year of the commitment, 20gayteen everybody.
âI am a lover and a fighter. I will fight for what I loveâ Go get your girl Lauren
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