This is why I can never be a feminist.
My life as a man has worth and shouldn’t be sacrificed for some concept of the “greater good.” Why do feminists possess no ability to care for both rape victims AND those falsely accused and/or imprisoned for rape? His entire argument is based on the fallacy of “two wrongs make a right.” What the fuck is wrong with y'all? 99% of the time this is coming out of the mouths of feminists so don’t give me your dictionary definitions, this is who you guys are in real life, in practice.
This week.
There are many who are perfectly fine with innocent men going to jail for rapes they did NOT commit and most of them label themselves “feminists.” Fuck feminism.
As someone with many lady friends who call themselves feminists I can confirm this is true. They argue that as long as the guilty are also caught these are necessary and unimportant collateral. That’s fucked up and then they wonder why ppl see feminism as man haters. A lot of them and their views are defended and shielded by other feminists. Not this one tho. Not this one!
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I’m a feminist. Calm down. The reason that black men are disproportionately vulnerable to being falsely accused is racism, and should be taken into account. I don’t believe any “collateral damage” is acceptable. But 97% of rapists never see a jail cell, and of the 3% that even get that, only 0.05% are likely to be falsely accused. That’s a really small percentage. I’ll look up the sources for you in a sec, or you can let me message you and we can talk about it. But like - to say that you’re not gonna believe female sexual assault victims because you’re worried about the potentially innocent men is the same sexist, misogynistic rhetoric we’ve been hearing for millenia. This is a really strange hill to want to die on, honestly.
Edit: This has a bunch of sources and stuff.
@cautiousbookrebel You can’t go “I don’t believe any collateral damage is acceptable” then go “but.” That .005% are still PEOPLE!!! there is no percentage low enough for them to cease being people and cease being innocent. Somehow you’re arguing for a cap on sympathy. “Feel bad for them until it hits less than 1%. After that feeling anything for them is optional.” FOH with the double talk. You can and should care about BOTH without any ifs, ands or buts. If you can’t the problem is not me but fucking you.
This is exactly the shit I’m talking about and why I always say men should NOT be feminists. Even in the face of stats that show Innocents going to jail innocent of the rape charged against them ( and I’m not even counting the many lives of Black men murdered back in the day cause white women lied knowing full well said lie would lead to the death of black men), this asswipe presents a loophole for not caring. It’s not a high enough percentage. I guess fuck Blackstone’s ratio I’ve heard my whole life:
It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.
This person is beyond help but to everyone else, yoj can and should care about both. This isn’t some fucking childish zero sum game. You can care about every rape victims AND care about innocent men charged with rapes they did not commit. You don’t have to sacrifice one for the other. You certainly don’t have to hold the belief that innocent men being mailed for rapes they didn’t commit is in any way okay to show support for rape victims. Don’t be like this fucker here.
You pride yourself on being “mature” and a “critical thinker” but then you call me all these near violent and insulting names because I don’t agree with you, even after I approached you rationally and calmly XDDD I was not arguing for a cap on sympathy - where is your sympathy for all the rape victims whose rapists are free? My point was that deciding not to believe any victims who trust you enough to tell you about their rapes is the same nonsense that men have always said to women in order to justify not believing them. The reality is that there are more rapists in existence than have ever been convicted, and they abuse more victims every day. The fact that you’re more outraged about the very tiny percentage of falsely accused men than all the women whose rapists are walking around in positions of power tells me enough about you and your kind. You’re not pro-black woman, that’s for sure, even if you think you are. Audre Lourde spoke about how black men cannot be in charge of a liberation movement, because they would establish a patriarchy with themselves at the helm. Here’s confirmation of that statement, straight from the horse’s mouth.
Yea you got me. Cause I’ve never shown outrage over rape and most certainly never shown support for rape victims. Yup. I’m been got.
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/169057918357/this-is-rape-culture
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/185819341513/unicornsandbutane-bulletproof-fantasy
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/185247733409/its-a-simple-calculation-if-you-believe-that
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/185508736443/alwaysbewoke-kropotkindersurprise-august-22
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/183726722417/alwaysbewoke-d-i-y-orgasms-jesus-christ-i
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/180876416116/alwaysbewoke-newyorkkidd-gogomrbrown-the
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/118443000352/now-if-you-would-have-reblogged-and-agreed-with
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/184996882052/that-the-gop-is-allowed-to-exist-is-proof-that
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/179608076497/alwaysbewoke-if-you-are-a-victim-of-rape-or-any
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/141428091625/fact-this-beautiful-black-woman-was-raped-at
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/177887417013/alwaysbewoke-sourcedumal
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/176344067437/alwaysbewoke-stop-rape-culture-stop-victim
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/172671365210/woman-charged-for-posting-snapchat-video-of
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/170689539392/white-house-aides-ex-wife-details-abuse
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/162138376924/alwaysbewoke-what-kind-of-wicked-person-actually
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/161554708104/alwaysbewoke-fridayfoster-alexbelvocal
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/131466725797/sweden-just-opened-an-emergency-centre-for-male
https://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/159650593126/alwaysbewoke-thempress-okpai
But seriously, I’ve never been pro-black women. Yup you definitely got me on that one
http://www.alwaysbewoke.com/post/163737092057/black-women-face-racism-sexism-sexualized-racism
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See unlike you I come with the same rage and support for both rape victims AND men innocently accused, convicted and jailed for a rape they didn’t commit. If a woman accuses someone of rape, cops should do a thorough investigation with no bias. If it’s true, throw the rapist under the jail. Fuck him (or her) but if the accusation is false, show her no fucking mercy. Do not make light of that act either. No percentage sympathy cap. No zero sum games.
Unlike you, I do not have this belief that some how being okay with men innocently accused, convicted and jailed for rapes they didn’t commit is somehow evidence of being pro-black women. WTF??! That doesn’t make sense on its face but when one is reaching, they reach all the way.
And you want some critical thought? The biggest flaw in your argument is that you’ve married yourself to the “Association fallacy.” Not to mention false dilemma, zero sum, appeal to motive, appeal to consequences and appeal to fear.
Lastly, if you think Audre Lorde would be cool with supporting ideas and positions that throws innocent men (especially innocent black men) under the bus, you don’t know Audre Lorde. Audre Lorde was pro-justice. You think this position of “I’m not saying collateral damage is okay but it’s only .005% so it’s no big deal” argument is one of justice??!!?? One that Audre Lorde would find acceptable??!! Seriously? LMAO!!!
To paraphrase so many on this site “just say you hate black men and go.”
One more thing, “fucking you,” “asswipe” and “fucker” arent’ violent or “near violent” terms. They are insulting and I meant to insult you. You don’t get to come here and make sly excuses for why it’s okay to turn a blind eye to innocents going to jail and get by. Fucker. Just because you have a vagina, I’m not taking it any easier on you than I would a man who came here talking bullshit (x).
To everybody else, when people aren’t used to seeing and hearing taboo subject argued with passion, they have to rationalize it somehow especially when the argument creates a cognitive dissonance. Especially when the argument argues against beliefs one has adopted as evidence they are a good person. This is especially true of subjects society has either directly or indirectly taught you is unimportant. In the case of advocating for men jailed innocently, society has long argued that those lives aren’t important and in the case of rape they’ve created this zero sum logic “if person x argues for men innocently jailed for rape, person x doesn’t care about rape victim.” This is an appeal to fear, an appeal to motive and it creates what’s called a “spiral of silence.“This type of thinking is clearly a false dilemma cause one can passionately care about both victims (and yes they are BOTH victims) however in the battle of sexes, nothing sacred. It’s become a feminist position that to care for one is to NOT care about the other. Again reasons like these are why I’m happily NOT a feminist. If feminism means I’m supposed to play down the lives of innocent men destroyed by false rape accusations because it doesn’t rise to some arbitrarily created percentage floor, then fuck feminism. If feminism means the way I show support for rape victims is to turn a blind eye to the Brian Banks of the world, fuck feminism. If feminism means that my only choices is to either care about rape victims OR victims of false rape accusations and NOT BOTH, fuck feminism. Guess what? What I just described is exactly what feminism asks and hence why I’m not one. Fuck feminism. Go womanism.
All these links are cool and whatever, but the way you just acted about this issue has shown what kind of person you are, and the fact that you misinterpreted my stance doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense. Goodbye.
If a white person said “yea I’m not saying I agree with cops killing unarmed black people but it’s only .001% of the population” you would automatically understand that they are trying to present a reason why it’s no big deal or anything to be concerned with. You know it. I know it. That’s what you did with that percentage thing you pulled. You could have simply said “yes those are injustices too. They deserve to be made whole too. Rape victims and victims of false rape accusations both deserve justice.” That’s it. You could have just said that but you tried to make an argument why those lives aren’t important enough to defend with that percentage shit you pulled. And of course since you don’t like seeing these men defended with passion you tried to kill the messaneger with that accusation that he doesn’t care about rape victims. Anther bush league move! Since you can’t fathom anyone caring so much about innocent males in jail you had to find a way to dismiss his argument so you decided (WITHOUT EVIDENCE) that he doesn’t care about rape victims. Then to top it all off when he came with the receipts, instead of just admitting you got it wrong, you bailed like a child. From one black woman to another this was an embarrassment. A big embarrassment. Also being pro-Black and pro-Black women doesn’t mean black men have to pretend we are always right especially when we are clearly clearly wrong like you were here. They don’t have to just take our bullshit. I mean there is literally a tweet there about black men being 3x more likely to be falsely accused of rape and jailed for it (I googled it and it’s true) and yet you tried to belittle it and then have the nerve to call someone else anti-black!??! What!??! Again this was an embarrassment. I hope you learned to do better but I can tell by your attitude you’re not going to listen or change. Wow!!
“If a white person said “yea I’m not saying I agree with cops killing unarmed black people but it’s only .001% of the population” you would automatically understand that they are trying to present a reason why it’s no big deal or anything to be concerned with. You know it. I know it. That’s what you did with that percentage thing you pulled. You could have simply said “yes those are injustices too. They deserve to be made whole too. Rape victims and victims of false rape accusations both deserve justice.” That’s it. You could have just said that but you tried to make an argument why those lives aren’t important enough to defend with that percentage shit you pulled.“
I LOVE when ABW pulls out the receipts!!! Always a reblog!!!✊🏽💋
