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They only want Robert to have a friend so there’s yet another person who can fawn and support and adore wonderful, gorgeous, precious little woobie Robert who they should be so thrilled is giving them the time of day. Aaron isn’t enough.

I saw a robcel blog say last year they want Seb to come back and adore Rob and be completely on his team, sticking up for his dad whenever someone is mean to him. They want a kid who isn’t even 9 years old yet to woobify his 40 year old dad who doesn’t even mention him 😬

Yikes.

yup yikessss. all of it is just about comforting their poor hard done by blorbo. they don't care about bernice or nicola or jimmy or charity or mack or any potential rob friends except what they can do for their special little boy. and wanting a 9yo to fight rob's battles for him 😬 fitting perhaps for a pathetic manchild but we're not allowed to call him that apparently because he's tRaUmAtIsEd. they don't even care about seb. they just see him as an extension of robert and The Sugden Legacy. same with aaron and vic.

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aaron and jackson - doors

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Don’t go over. I’m not.

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That blog has some hilariously bad Robert-centric takes. Even Robert being a gold digger doesn't feminise him. Chrissie didn't treat him as some sort of trophy husband whose only job was to look pretty. She believed they had a genuine relationship, and Robert was active in the relationship and the family business rather than just being kept around as something to show off. As for friendships, it's not even that Robert gets along better with women (I thought he was really awkward on that Big Night Out with Bernice and the girls). It's that he's incapable of any real male friendship bond without turning it into some competitive power struggle in which he has to establish dominance. Speaking of friendships, that same blog is also outraged that they'll make Kev Nicola's emotional support when Jimmy dies. Once again, it's the same complaint about how Robert is being wasted and has yet another storyline stolen from him, the show's wasting the 'strong and layered' dynamic he had with Nicola and Jimmy, etc. I don't care for Kev but I honestly think almost anyone other than Robert would be a better choice to be a friend to Nicola and console her. Robert isn't good at sustained, one-on-one emotional support as a friend without needing a personal stake in it. There's a good reason why the show never gives him proper friendships (other than they no longer develop real, enduring friendships between characters across the board anymore). Robert doesn't have much to offer as a close friend, he is simply not built for the kind of emotional generosity that being a close friend would require of him.

yes to all of this!!! they're clearly grasping at straws to find ways in which robert fits feminine roles despite him being much more of the masculine patriarch. as i said in my last post, they've just decided robert is the feminine one in robron and they're looking for any way to support that even if they have to hallucinate it.

not all gold diggers are women. even in fiction there's the trope of the boy toy and the cougar (not that he and chrissie are that far apart in age). young attractive men are often portrayed as arm candy for wealthy women, and he also fulfills the 'bit of rough' trope for a rich daddy's girl, with both chrissie and rebecca. not to mention the fact that, like you said, he is involved in the partnership and invested in the business, so this really isn't that relevant anyway. his first sl (the reason he met aaron!) is all about him wanting to prove himself to lawrence! the patriarch wars were there from the start (the sort of homosocial infighting that you've brilliantly pointed out is the reason why he doesn't make male friends. the only male friend he ever made (andy) ended up his brotherloverenemy whom he constantly fought over girls and his dad with). not to mention how he treated chrissie over the cain kiss and repeatedly forced her into caring roles for him (see lodge breast hug) and his and her male family members. see also him having an affair and repeatedly putting her in danger so he can act the masculine hero. nothing about robert and chrissie's relationship is subversive and i've seen a tendency to portray her as a sort of femdom and it's weird that they see any instance of a woman with a personality and asserting her own in her relationship as a kink thing (especially when she's the one who suggests rob spanks her at one point...).

and yes with the friendships. they're so desperate to make him one of the girls when he literally only interacts with them because they're too nice to tell him to fuck off. he's literally only there because his sister and stepsister have had enough of him moping around like a pathetic manchild and mooning over his ex. no one else gaf about him. they're only there for a good time out. he just doesn't have many friends both because he can't keep them and because he doesn't want them. he's happy playing patriarch with his charges (and tbh i relate kinda. i don't have many friends and i rarely interact with the ones i do bc i'm too much of a weirdo loner control freak to have a good time w ppl w actual wants and desires (i <3 my indecisive type b friends) and so i don't understand this constant push to give robert friends when he doesn't want any) nicola could do better with literally anyone other than robert. i think they could have good interactions and i miss jimmy and nicola in the portacabin but they aren't friends. and robert would not be a good friend in this instance. i'm not looking forward to kev but i wouldn't wish a robert friend on my worst enemy (especially when they're grieving. remember 'sorry i'm not sad your pervert dad's dead' and missing liv's memorial to cheat on aaron) i do think that the show is missing complex layered dynamics outside of family and romance and robnicola could be an interesting antagonistic pairing a bit like aaronross but they're certainly not friends and rob just doesn't get along well enough with people to form close friendships such as the robcels want.

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Just goes to show the robcels have created a fantasy version of the character. There’s no way that “essay” was based on reality/canon.

I know people have different opinions and that and you should respect that bla bla bla, but the breadwinner point in particular is ridiculous and doesn’t make an ounce of sense.

There is nothing feminised about Robert Sugden. To say there is is actually hilariously deluded. They see what they want to see, not what actually is. Aaron is right there but he might as well be invisible to that lot.

I remember in 2017/2018 the fandom would take the piss out of Aaron stans constantly. They were the butt if the fandom joke all the time. They were especially rude to one blog (but were happy to reblog her lovely gifsets. It’s a shame the two blogs who made the best gifs didn’t come back, but I digress). Everything they accused Aaron stans of being then is what robcels actually are x100. Insufferable.

I so appreciate your posts because it shows there are people with media literacy still in this fandom.

yes exactly! they're just creating a show in their head that doesn't exist. to reach these conclusions they have to ignore masses of canon and entire characters (including aaron!). my theory is that they just see blond, skinny, borderline metrosexual robert next to dark haired, hairy, blokeish aaron and assume he's the woman (and thus sub, bottom, and omega) based on looks alone, and then have to go searching for things that aren't there (and ignoring things that are) to support the conclusion they've already reached.

and yikes everything i hear about the old fandom just keeps getting worse. my deepest respects to you and your fellow soldiers 🫡 ever grateful that i got into skam in 2016 instead of emmerdale. i try not to call out specific blogs (this being an exception bc their takes are just so egregious) or interact with them because of this problem. at the end of the day this is a tv show and we're all supposed to be having fun. someone having a bad take or just one you disagree with is not a punishable offence. and it's such a shame that so many great blogs with such talent and who could give some much needed balance to the fandom have been lost </3

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!they're doing robert's given tropes associated with women on the main tag!

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rob/charity equating on the same day that she's raped. ok so you hate women.

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and feminising robert. so you hate aaron. ok. ok.

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they're literally using the exact same language i did

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i just can't get past it. that blog ALWAYS has the worst takes. it's honestly admirable. they seem to be thinking about the show but they're just coming to allll the wrong conclusions. are they that blinded by robcelism??? is this how i sound to nonaaroncels????? there are whole other worlds out there. people who think robert's the wife.... the mind really does boggle....

if this seems spiteful or unnecessary feel free to ignore. this is just kinder than me ranting in their inbox.

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actually no i'm not done. because in what world is violence against robert (lol) being dismissed the result of him being in the role of a woman. if anything, surely that masculinises him because violence against and between men is more acceptable.

also they're saying that him being the breadwinner and a boss is a feminine role (on conservativedale? ok.) and him having no friends. i can't even start on these.

literally the only point they have is the gold digger one. i'll give them that. but even then if you so much as glance below the surface of rob's shoddy facade then all of this is completely null and void.

are we even watching the same show??

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!they're doing robert's given tropes associated with women on the main tag!

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rob/charity equating on the same day that she's raped. ok so you hate women.

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and feminising robert. so you hate aaron. ok. ok.

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they're literally using the exact same language i did

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i just can't get past it. that blog ALWAYS has the worst takes. it's honestly admirable. they seem to be thinking about the show but they're just coming to allll the wrong conclusions. are they that blinded by robcelism??? is this how i sound to nonaaroncels????? there are whole other worlds out there. people who think robert's the wife.... the mind really does boggle....

if this seems spiteful or unnecessary feel free to ignore. this is just kinder than me ranting in their inbox.

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!they're doing robert's given tropes associated with women on the main tag!

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rob/charity equating on the same day that she's raped. ok so you hate women.

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and feminising robert. so you hate aaron. ok. ok.

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they're literally using the exact same language i did

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!they're doing robert's given tropes associated with women on the main tag!

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rob/charity equating on the same day that she's raped. ok so you hate women.

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and feminising robert. so you hate aaron. ok. ok.

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!they're doing robert's given tropes associated with women on the main tag!

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rob/charity equating on the same day that she's raped. ok so you hate women.

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!they're doing robert's given tropes associated with women on the main tag!

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Jackson Walsh - 4 August 1989 - 7 June 2011

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i wish i could believe that the way that That scene went down would disprove any 'sa is too far for the workplace bully' talking points. but i have very little faith in this fandom.

like, That scene was so explicitely about how sexual violence is an extension of physical and verbal. other people would have clapped back with an insult or maybe have slapped charity for it. but todd extended the violence (which has Always had sexual undertones) to sexual assault as a way to ensure she enacted the most damage in the most covert way (see also the locked door and short length of the assault)

and the choice to turn it on charity, whose past she's aware of. whom she called a whore in that scene. would she have raped vanessa? or sarah? both charity and jacob victims of csa which todd uses against them. the vulnerabilities of rape victims to be victimised again. another point against the 'trauma porn' brigaid. but anyway. i'm not bitter at all.

i just don't see how anyone could not see that this is just an extension of todd's manipulation and bullying. and of charity's history of sexual violence

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i have so many thoughts on That scene and nothing i type is coming out coherent. ahhh

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We imagine incest as an action — an assault a perpetrator enacts on a victim. But incest is much more diffuse than that. Incest is the background context, and it structures the entire family system. Incest is a dynamic of power, control, domination, sexualization and eroticization within the family. All the adults are taking part in the incest dynamic unless they are actively and permanently removing the children from the dynamic. All the children are victimized by the incest dynamic whether or not they are the direct target. Sometimes children go on to become perpetrators in the incest dynamic too. Incest denies the victims appropriate differentiation, separateness, and boundaries, and exposes the victims to adult sexuality. Incest denies the possibility of empathy and attunement and completely violates the expectation that home and family should be spaces of safety and protection. If there is a child that is perpetrating incest, that child learned that incest dynamic from somewhere, and somewhere along the line it was learned from an adult. Incest is never an isolated event. Incest is always a family dynamic.

clementine morrigan, the realm of unreality: an incest memoir in essays

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if aaron doesn't get seb back before his 9th birthday i will never forgive emmerdale. i am being so serious.

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id like to interact with my mutuals more but i get scared pls forgive me