니카

My name is Nica and I'm actually cool, you don't understand. Just give me time. I don't bite, seriously.

[cckaisoo]

((Disclaimer: I’m not trying to persuade anyone to believe in anything. After you’ve read this post, don’t waste your time if you don’t have anything intelligent to say, k?))

After a week that I’ve been bombarded with lots of new information regarding kaisoo from different sources (SK), I decided to share a bit of what I know with everyone. I’ve received a lot of asks regarding kfans pov about kaisoo. Just keep in mind to not treat these statements below as facts. Take it as it is or leave it as it is.

Firstly, kaisoo is indeed very famous in SK. Kaisoo is one of the ‘official pairing’ among k-exo-l along with chanxxbaek and sexxjun. However, SM doesn’t acknowledge kaisoo as a pairing, only kfans does. Kaisoo isn’t just famous among k-exo-l but among other kfans as well. Their popularity in SK is not a joke. It is true that kaisoo hardly has moments together sometimes but kfans doesn’t really care about the number of moments but the atmosphere of the moments itself. They’ve come to a conclusion that kaisoo is indeed a very different pairing.

Kfans do talk a lot about Kaisoo but not openly. They have this rule that they need to respect other people opinions as well. They only talk about kaisoo below the surface.

I told them about how ifans shippers are really open when they talked about their pairing. They told me that it is possibly because of the culture difference. SK really care about other people’s opinions and comments. They wish that they could be like ifans one day (they’re so cute >.<)

Recently, due to kaixxstal, kaisoo kfans even have to create a private chat so they could talk about kaisoo freely without receiving any hates. Everyone is so sensitive about this topic.

Back in 2012, there was a person who claimed he was a SM trainee said that it was a really well-known fact among trainers that kaisoo are in a relationship. They were always seen together. From that day onwards until now, there are continues rumors about them dating, even before debut. 

Apparently, many kfans point out that kaisoo to be real if there is indeed a homosexual couple in idol society. From kfans perspectives, they’ve established that kaisoo has a totally different atmosphere when they are together that cannot be compared to other pairings. They even told me that they wish I could see it with my own eyes. Kaisoo is really beautiful. Their subtle moments are so valuable. They really fit each other so well (le died. I literally died).

Now, move on to the heavy part. (I’m begging you if you’re not a kaisoo shipper who shipped them more than just brotp, do not proceed to read this. I’m really not in the mood to entertain any baseless arguments right now. Just save yourself before it is too late.)

I repeat. Do not treat these statements as facts. Take it as it is and leave it as it is.

Next, I’ll talk about what kfans thought of the gay couple rumor.

There’s no doubt that the rumor is getting bigger now. Initially, there were no media that paid attention to the gay rumors. But recently, the media can’t stop talking about it (they quoted it this way). Many people, even non-kfans, started to look at it. 

What they meant by media is, I believe you guys know about SK search engine on the internet? The articles about the gay couple keep on popping up on the search engine. They said that the media have never been so noisy about any rumors before. It feels like they are trying to say that there is a gay couple among the idols.

However, they said that SK has a lot of political issues these past few days. The media might want to use the gay rumor to cover up things. I believe SK is known for their tactic of using something to cover something? //shrug

About the a-list group, kfans only have 5 groups in mind. They didn’t think of other groups. It’s In_finite, Big_Bang, SN_SD, EXO_ & SHI_Nee. They are the 5 groups that are really famous and influential in SK. The others are not so much.

They didn’t think so long bcoz all kfans agree that the gay couple is someone from EXO_ and it is Kaisoo. 

Reasons why the other groups are out of the list: In_finite: small label company SN_SD: a girl group. it has to be a boy group SHI_Nee: only Jongxxkey pairing appear but SK stop talking about them when Key dated the model back in 2013. Big_Bang: there are prevailing rumors about GD_ being bisexual but not with the same groups and most kfans don’t really mind they’re dating. ‘BB has grown up now. They can date whoever they want’, they quoted it that way.

They agreed that the description from the gay couple article indeed screamed kaisoo (they used the word scream. I’m not the one putting it there).

Even without being bias, most of them think that the description 5 years+a list idol+caught last year really do point to Kaisoo.

They said that Kaisoo looked like they had a fight last year around Sept-Oct. It fits the article release date which is Sept 2015.

(directly quoted from the original conversation. just ignore the grammar mistakes. Eng is not their first language. Do spare them.) 

What kaisoo shippers here talking is that, 

1. They were really good until June to the mid-July. (All those good moments!) 2. Suddenly there moments decreased a lot by late July, and they even looked like they had fight (ex. Jongin’s phone shattered) 3. Dozens of worries popped up in korea that kaisoo might had fight around late august to mid september 4. Then obviously, jongin started to avoid ks and ks started to be really active. he started many kaisoo moments and his skinship increased (around late october) 5. But then, when they were in japan (where is the place prohibited to take any photos) they looked good 6. They looked good after all since that, but on the interview ks said that he is now using the room alone, which seemed strange since kaisoo looked still good 7. Then the scandal released 8. Now kaisoo can’t even look into each other’s eyes…

Apparently, another pairing in EXO_ doesn’t even showed up in kfans pov. The part they concentrating on is which pairing SM is trying to separate the most? If kaixxstal rumors are all true, it will mean that SM is seriously trying to hide the gay couple in its company. They will try really hard to deny the pairing and make them to not have any moments. They said it can’t be Chan_baek. No one talked about them there.

Other pairings are not possible for now since a lot of gay rumors are linked to kaixxstal. A lof of kfans mentioned kaisoo.

And here’s another new info I heard from them. I’m surprised tbh.

SM has been trying to separate Kaisoo for so long even from their debut. Kaisoo only went to the same fanmeeting once in 4 years. They hardly had any official events together. Do you guys remember kaisoo 2nd box interview? It was rumored in SK that SM did that to make kaisoo shippers feel satisfied.

Before the 2nd Box, a lot of them were so tired of SM trying to separate kaisoo. The complained it on SNS.

(directly quoted from the original conversation) 

“are there anything you wanna hide sm? Why are you separating these two for like whole 3 and a half year? They must be in a relationship. Fuck sm.”

And then kaisoo happened in the 2nd box. But then, nothing happened after that.

There was a theory that kaisoo kfans talked about among them regarding the gay rumor released in March 2016. Do you guys remember the photos of Kaisoo that was posted by different media outlets last December at MBC Gayo Daejun 152712? (Top Star News, SSTV, 시크뉴스, 스포즈투데이, OHNews & DongA).

They assume that it might not be just one media outlet that knew about Kaisoo. It could be more than just one that know about them. It might be the reason why SM release the scandal so fast. There was a rumor that kaixxstal was supposed to release on June but DP decided to release it on April.

They said the reason is to silence up all the other media outlets. Kaixxstal proved to be dating in 1st April, any other pieces of evidence pointed to Kaisoo before 1st April is not applicable anymore. The logic in this is, if the media outlets still release the evidence, which dated before 1st April, it can’t prove that Kaisoo is still together after 1st April. The public will think that kaisoo broke up and Kaixxstal happened. So, no one will believe it.

SM is trying so hard to make sure that kaisoo don’t have any moments together in public. 

The possibility that the media outlet will release the gay couple is 50/50 because everyone opinions regarding this matter are different. They talked about wanting to know and not wanting to know about the gay couple. Just like kaisoo ifans ㅋㅋ ㅋㅋ

I’ll stop here for now. The kfans were really happy to know that kaisoo ifans really support kaisoo. They said it is a good idea for me share it with the other ifans and let them know how kfans really thought.

I repeat again, do not treat these statements as facts. I’m merely sharing what kfans thoughts about the kaisoo and gay couple rumor. Take it as it is and leave it as it is.

[catsandlion]

TIMELINE KADI, RELATIONSHIP AND BLIND ITEMS

I’ll post about timeline news on EXO, SM and the Blind Item things that has been a hot topic this past months. I’m kaisoo/kadi biased so my opinion is based on what i read about them here. i will mostly discuss Kadi interaction, but i will also include kai_stal and Chan_Baek since they are also shady in this rumor.

─       150413 SBS-R Power FM CulTwo Show with EXO (lets start with something cute. JI alleged jealousy to KS when he said Insungie hyung. JI don’t talk much at first and 17:39 is cute tbh)

─       150423 Nature Republic Myeongdong Flagship Store renewal opening event with Kai Suho D.O. (Kadi second public appearance ever(?idk i read they rarely get together to an even) in fan meet without the whole group involvement. the first one is miss granny premiere in 2014) 

Keep reading

[kaisoofucktory]

Baek and chan can just openly go to a show. Though they are aware people ship them. Xiuchen too. Right. Why kaisoo has to be guarded in a fansign. Has to ran away if they are just going out as “friends”. Has to act lik3 bruh we know each other and inlove but we cant show it publicly.

Please answer me. I need help.

[fabulousbaozi]

Me too dude. Why can Chan be all over Soo on a show, aswell for Hun and Seok, but Nini can’t? I always wondered why Jongin looked so afraid to go and interact with Kyungsoo….

[magiclitchii]

please guys stop playing with my heart. 

[eroskai-deactivated20190209]

Sm is doing them good. They’re pieces of shits but they’re granting them justice by doing so. Imagine netizens finding evidence because they slipped on stage or out in the open when on dates. Imagine the backlash as well as the love that won’t be nearly enough to save them. Imagine my heart bursting loud and clearly in your ear. But then imagine jongin, after a long day and a fulfilling stage performance with his members, slowly approaching Kyungsoo and hugging him, laying his head on ksoo’s shoulder. Imagine him whispering “i missed you” and Kyungsoo feeling the sorrow in his heart but also the relief that they made it another day. Imagine kyungsoos heart weighing knowing he’s been in jongins vicinity the whole day but jogin still missing him because he hasn’t been able to hold him for even a second. Imagine kyungsoo holding Jongin in bed that night, listening to the boys heartbeat as he whispers promises of a better tomorrow

[magiclitchii]

I’m….

[kaisoo-mighty-balls]

mah heart mah soul

[cckaisoo]

senpai, have you seen dispatch revealed seolhyun/zico? look at the way she dressed, she literally covered everything on her face i can't even recognize her ; that's called real dating. then look at kxk, krst didn't even cover anything on her face. she wore cap but it didn't hide her face lmao. they're so many evidences for shzc but kxk only have one day evidence lamo and it's so obvious

Other anon: Have you seen z_ico and seol_hyun dating pic released by dispatch? Seol_hyun wore mask to cover her face and not fucking smiled at the camera 😁😁😁

Other anon: The stark differences between zicoxseolhyun dating and kxk dating is interesting. It makes kxk look faker than it was. I stan block b and zico would not allow himself to be part of such a publicity stunt (if it was fake). Someone should make an article on how to spot a fake dating news from the legit ones for the guillible peeps in the fandom who believe in whatever the media shove their asses ✌

((disclaimer: this post was written filled w sarcasm and idk if I even wrote this analysis seriously bcoz I can never take kxk dating news seriously hahaha))

Hey anons,

First of all, please don’t call me senpai u.u You can call me Am btw! :)) Yes, I’ve read and seen the article. The differences are indeed apparent.

Let’s start with the title.

KxK:  "카이스탈, 현실이 되다"…카이♥크리스탈, 리얼 데이트“Kaixstal becomes real”… Kxai ♥ Kryxstal, real dateZxS:  설현♡지코, 몰래한 사랑…”비밀 데이트도, 핫해”Seolxhyun♡Zixco, love sneaking… “Secret date, hot”

disclaimer: I direct translated everything since I’m afraid I’ll change the meaning if I change the structure of the sentence.

There’s nothing much to say here bcoz I’m just amazed how dp said kxk is private people yet they don’t sneak around for secret date like zxs. Lol

The structure of the articles is different too.

KxK: Kxai and Kryxstal. They are often referred to as ‘Kaixstal.’ For the reasons that they are the same age born in year 94′, they entered their trainee days on the same year and because they look really good together. 

But they were always nothing but friends together. But as friends and being in the same trainee class, they always cheered each other. They always looked after one another. That is why they fallen for one another.”

‘EXO’ Kxai (KimxJongin) and f x Kryxstal (JungxSoojung) have fallen in real love with each other. It is not a fan’s fiction or imagination. This was a date that happened in real life.‘Dispatch’ has caught their real life date red-handed.

//

ZxS: May 12, AxOA were facing two controversies. First, the historical view that need to be settle. This is a requirment for the May comeback. 

May 12, Seolxhyun and Jixmin apologized on SNS. They were ashamed and sorry. Followed by FNxC released Good Luck music video teaser.

May 12, Seolxhyun came out from her dorm. Few minutes later, she got on a black Porshe. The car heading to the Han River. BlockxB Zixco drive a luxury sedan.

You can see the differences. For kxk, they mentioned these stories that came out of ff. Everything was so cliche and unrealistic. Fiction. The way they put it kxk fallen in love with each other bcoz they are friends, cheered for each other and look after one another… Then, emphasizing ‘this is not a fan fiction or imagination!’ I mean… ok…

However, dp started with FACTS about zxs. The exact date was mentioned. They followed zxs since May and released the scandal recently with proofs for that May 12 event. Seolxhyun was also caught at different times (more than once) in different clothes wearing a disguise.

Basically, zxs pictures have stories while kxk pictures are just kxk at the Jung’s sister fav restaurant and we don’t even know the stories behind the pictures at the carpark basement. How did they got transferred from a basement park to the restaurant? Did JI teleport them? Lol.

According to dp, their sources mentioned kxk went to the ski resort but then there was no proof bcoz kxk wore goggles, masks, and helmets…. Their reason was hilarious. I mean how did they know it was them when they basically build a wall on their faces? Dp could sneak on zxs when Seolxhyun was obviously wearing a hoodie and mask on the May 12th but not kxk. Kxk is all about claims but no proofs. What’s new tbh.

Now move on to the pictures.

Look at her running for her life and wearing a mask to cover her face. But then…

I thought they are private people, went to the ski resort with masks, helmets, and goggles so they won’t be seen. But here they were caught by dp red handed on one occasion with the same exact clothes for all the pictures posted but they forgot the mask………….. Like “Don’t wear masks bcoz it needs to be obvious. I need your faces seen on the pictures clearly so ppl will believe. We don’t have time to schedule another photo shoot.”

It seems like they had the photo shoot in 2 different places. 1 was in a carpark basement when they were about to leave to the restaurant. Then “Cut! Let’s move to the next location”. So they ended their photo shoot at the front of the restaurant. A very private place indeed. Maybe sm reserved the whole place so they won’t get caught by anyone. Or or, told everyone there “This is only a photo shoot.” Lol.

And if you pay attention to the pictures at the restaurant, the angle of the pictures are so different. It feels like there were like action and cut. kxk got out of the restaurant then snap snap snap. “Again!” Or they have more than one cameramen. Lol.

Idk what JI did here he got out and put on his jacket then he turned around with his jacket half wearing it. Look at the angles. 

Same moment but different angles. From the side and the front.

It just funny how kxk was caught at one event with the same clothes everything from top to bottom and baaam they’re dating but seolxhyun was caught in front of Zixco’s apartment more than one time!

Anyway, so I was naver-ing this Jung’s sister’s restaurant. (1) The food there looks so good btw! Gonna add it up to the places I should visit when I go to SK. Or you can just naver-ing it by yourself (바다목장바닷가재).

Pictures below are recent from 2015-2016. You probably found a lot of blog posts about this shop after kxk. Guess the owner got his/her hand full thanks to kxk ;))

The street picture was from Oct 2009 before the shop got refurbished I think. But it is the same shop bcoz their neighbor shop is still the same too. As you can see, the parking space is small. So Idk how dp hide themselves to take pictures of kxk but managed to take pictures in close distance w/o being caught. Oh I forgot. It’s a photo shoot. Lol

And to add it up, the shop isn’t that big. You can eat while still looking who is eating at the table next to you. Lol.

So idk if ppl still believe kxk dating. Kbye.

[magiclitchii]

Holy sh…………

[faakeid]

KD Top 5: Five Moments where SM could make it happen but they didn't

Well, I don’t know why I’m doing this, but I’m here anyway, even tho I should be sleeping. Be careful because I’ll probably try to be funny and fail and the same with sarcasm.

What motivated me to do this post tho, wasn’t to talk about other ship than Kaisoo. I just wanted to, I don’t know, show that in those years that EXO is an active group, SM had plenty of opportuinites to make the couple do fanservice but… They didn’t. If they’re so fanserviced like people like to say and since they’re so popular, why SM tried to invest in other otps with Jongin and Kyungsoo instead? Isn’t kind of contradictory?Also, the gifs and pictures used don’t belong to me.

1. Playboy choreography

Well, I think that everybody here knows how… Intriguing this choreography is. It’s formation is/was also interesting. A great moment to make fangirls crazy right and even put some intersting otps to spice up things a bit, since a part of it was made in pairs. But for some reason, this wasn’t priorized. Kyungsoo was paired up with Baekhyun (and in other opportunity with Xiumin) and Jongin danced with Sehun. Probably, the idea was to choose the members who matched the best, but you never know…

2. 2015 End of Year Shows

That was really interesting, actually, product of a very fanserviced moment: Jongin touching Kyungsoo’s waist like it was no tomorrow, while a lot of media outlets took pictures of it. In that specific day, EXO’s formation was like this:

But during KBS Gayo Daechukje, three days later, their formation was like this:

Seven errors game, let’s go.

3. 2013 EXO Promotions

I can just point out all their promotions in that period of time. Basically. that was the time they became super popular and the members split up into the schedules. They used to do a lot of different appearances in radio shows and on TV too. A lot of other otps appeared in pairs or in groups of three, but Kaisoo never was a part of those groups together. Lay and Kai appeared in Hello Counselor and Kyungsoo with Suho in a radio show, for example, but they never did it together, even to promote a simple thing. Even recently, in 2015, Kyungsoo and Chen were DJs in a radio show and Chen, Jongin and PCY were to another radio show, but where’s Jongin and Kyungsoo, with a third member or by themselves? Questions, questions…

4. Jongin in “Oh My Baby”

Honestly, that was what motivated me to do this post. It’s just interesting how Jongin went to “Oh My Baby” alone to meet Taeoh, meanwhile other EXO members go there in pairs (coincidentially or not, according to their specific and most popular otps). I heard that people requested Kyungsoo to go with him because, you know, Kaisoo is a popular ship and they would like to see how would they handle the task together. But it didn’t happen. Probably someone will say that Kyungsoo was busy and yeah, he lives busy with his own schedule. But, based in a famous sentence over here, “when someone want something, they find a way, when they don’t, they find an excuse”. It’s obvious it would be a great opportunity to show Kaisoo as a show off otp. But why wasn’t it supported by their company? Probably because they like them as the “bts couple” that doesn’t even have bts moments anymore? Funny.

 5. Sehun/Chanyeol Peter Pan Time

That’s a classic. How many times I heard Kaisoo shippers hoping that, this time, Sehun or PCY would put them together in a kiss or a hug? Each concert was an antecipation for it to happen and, well, with EXO in so many concerts, this would happen some time, right? 

Wrong.

We had the most different otps happening in front of our eyes. Even Kyungsoo and Chen almost kissed and Jongin was forced to hug Baekhyun. Fans even screamed at them to make Kaisoo happen, but it never happened. Why? Why if this couple is so fanserviced and fake as all the others? It’s something to think about, I guess. 

BONUS: Two times that they were promoted together 

1. Nature Republic Flagship Store Opening

The summary:

2. EXO Second Box

The only thing I have to say about this one is that, rumor has it that Korean Kaisoo shippers complained a lot on SNS when they knew that SM was making this DVD. They got so annoyed by the possibilty that Kaisoo wouldn’t be paired up once again, that they ended doing it. And that’s the result :)

[dyoshit-deactivated20190119]

kaisoo analysis

a few years ago, sept. 2015 i believe, there were rumors of a media outlet planning on outting a gay couple in a group. it was said that they’ve been dating for 5 years already.

“An A-list idol group member ‘A’ is said to have fallen in love with none other than fellow member ‘B’. They’ve apparently been dating for five years now and the scandal is expected to be huge especially considering that they’re idol members from the same top level group. A and B were actually caught by a paparazzi last year but came to a compromise with paparazzi company C to bury the articles. A and B are still continuing their relationship.“

this obviously puts a timeline for bands that qualify, a lot of people say that since it’s a 5 yr relationship that groups who debuted 2-3 yrs before the news qualify because trainee times count also.

by the way i’m going with it, i believe that the supposed couple is in exo. to me, the most qualified couple is kaisoo.

here’s why: 

1. if the supposed couple was in exo, then they would’ve been dating during their trainee days. lot of predebut info shows kaisoo being the closest, their selfies are also the most intimate. in two of the pictures, kyungsoo’s cheek is literally pressed up against jongin’s, in another he’s ontop of jongin. not to mention that a friend of baekhyun wrote that “he was always talking about wanting to get closer to kyungsoo, but that he was always stuck [with jongin]”

also this:

back in 2012, there was a person who claimed he was a SM trainee said that it was a really well-known fact among trainers that kaisoo are in a relationship. They were always seen together. From that day onwards until now, there are continues rumors about them dating, even before debut.

2. dispatch report of a similar news previously. 

[+29, -0] Dispatch talked about this before in the past, that they were going to reveal a male idol group who had a gay couple and that they were adults.. but after a couple of days, all of the articles disappeared and Dispatch went quiet about it. That was around 2013, I believe?

also around 2013 there was a lot of rumors of kaisoo dating, although now i can’t find them, they seem to be hidden. the influx or rumors of them dating was big and the fact that all these articles are gone so suddenly, it’s fishy. considering the fact of the original dating rumors and the dispatch announcement, the timing is in line.

3. the rumored kiss. 

early 2015, a chinese fan said that she saw and took a picture of kaisoo kissing backstage.

but also, kfans saw that they were slowly advoiding each other after the rumor.

They were fine before, but by June moments decreased

The moments went down, i think they had a fight earlier in that month?

4. the news of dispatch was in septemeber 2015, when there was hardly any interaction at all. 

Then obviously, jongin started to avoid ks and ks started to be really active. he started many kaisoo moments and his skinship increased (around late october) But then, when they were in japan (where is the place prohibited to take any photos) they looked good They looked good after all since that, but on the interview ks said that he is now using the room alone, which seemed strange since kaisoo looked still good Then the scandal released Now kaisoo can’t even look into each other’s eyes…

they avoided each other a lot after the news. why would the unless..? (all the info was from korean kfans in a kaisoo gc)

5. kaistal. as we all know, this year kaistal started to date. but insider articles reveal that this was planned by sm, just as baekyeon was.

Kai will be possibly paired with Krystal, this is being discussed. Kai really doesn’t like couple pairings, male x male or male x female.

[ENTRY DATE: August 31, 2012]

this was from 2012!! obviously it was faked, the dates didn’t even make sense as well. plus, why would dispatch take photots of them from feb. and hold on to them until april?

6. a continuation from the dispatch article.

The same sex couple that they will be revealing are two members in the same group and are trending idols that are expected to cause a ripple in the industry.

the group is expected to cause a ripple in the industry. think about this, when is exo not creating a ripple in the industry? just this year they’ve become triple million sellers, one of the first! if that’s not a riple in the kpop industry then i don’t know what is.

all i’m saying is that, kaisoo fits as the couple. i’m not saying that they are, but they fit the part. after this year there seems to be a lot of internal drama with kaisoo. the resurface of this rumor had me thinking. sorry if this is a little unclear.

all source of information are not mine.

[soojungforvogue]

what makes you think kaistal isn't real? and if so, why would sm make it up? personally i believe it but i'm curious about those tags you just wrote

media play, media play

sm did it with jonghyun after the gay rumors, baekyeon after kris’ departure and now with kaistal to cover krishan’s lawsuits. mais bon, some people really should stop making a fuss about it. it is what it is, and we will never know the truth.

my thoughts aren’t delusional though. like benzeneno said, it’s about people being skeptical about the issue rather than eating up what has been dished on a silver platter [read this]. 

not about hating members, tf soojung is my main. and i liked jongin since forever. or you have these fans, that are fucking dissing every kaisoo/kryber fan, like tf we do? we’re making badass theories, not hating anyone. do something useful like getting electric shock to 100m views.

and it’s not like kaistal shippers have much to show, all they have is photoshopped 

hate me all you want, everything is possible

[propertyofmusicwhore]

An incredibly large number of things occurred leading up to the kaistal dating scandal. It was not only the exo lawsuits, but there was also a weed scandal, and a rumor of a gay couple within a supposed grade A group that was a currently trending group, as well – and then you also have Krystal basically admitting to being bisexual in interviews, but she did it so subtly… That interview was literally like 1 - 2 days before the scandal occurred, and before this interview she had another one with GQ where she implicitly expressed as being part of the LGBTQ community, not to mention the THREE (1, 2, 3) times she’s talked (fan-girled) about the actress Lea Seydoux and specifically mentions her role in the movie “Blue is the Warmest Color” (an extremely sexually explicit lesbian movie). You think SM would be okay with an idol coming out as even A LITTLE BIT to liking the same sex? Even if they’re bisexual? They don’t care about that shit. I’m sure they’d like to shut that down real quick. (I love how Krystal gives no fucks.)  So then suddenly a dating scandal occurs between a person who she’s barely had any interactions with, if any, throughout the years. (Yeah, Kai and Krystal were trainee acquaintances, just how she was acquaintances with all of the other trainees. She even admitted to this when it came to Lay, that her and Lay knew each other but barely had any interactions after trainee days. So, she really had no idea about his actual personality. So, what makes you think it was different with Kai when Kai and Lay are in the exact same group?) They’re caught at a restaurant that is famous to be frequented by the Jung Sisters, wearing couple outfits and no masks? Do you really think something so intentional was by mistake? Or that they just got careless as a lot of people say? What do you think their conversation went like…? Jongin: Krystal, I just came back from a concert and I have to fly out as soon as possible. We only have a few hours to hang (this is considering the dates dispatch said the pictures were taken). Krystal: Yah, I know. You know where we should go? Jongin: Where? Krystal: That restaurant me and my sister always visit together that everyone knows we always frequent and have been there many times.  Jongin: You’re right! Here, let’s put on these couple outfits that way we stand out even more.  Krystal: You’re so smart! Matching hats! DERP! Jongin: Matching glasses! DERP! Krystal: Oh look! It’s dispatch! *smiles at camera* DERP! No motherfucker! That makes zero sense! That isn’t carelessness, that’s intentional set-up shit.  And what makes even less sense is the fact that if they were real, and they really did decide to flaunt their relationship so purposely like that… why’d they stop? Kaistal has literally been non-existent after the scandal. I mean, I understand that they conveniently decided to release the scandal right when Krystal was going out to China, but she’s back now, hoes. And where is Kaistal? I’ll tell you where they are, in SM’s instant dating confirmation. That’s where they are: instant. AN INSTANT and it’s gone. Like, SM confirmed that shit, too god damn quick. As the person above linked, for example, with Sulli and Choiza? That’s something that THEY came out with. And pictures and rumors were out about them for forever with undeniable proof that they were in fact dating, and SM didn’t confirm that shit. SM took a thousand years to confirm Sulli and Choiza, and have you seen them after the confirmation? Fuck yes! They’re everywhere! Because it’s a real damn relationship. Even if Kaistal was trying to be less obvious, you’d still get some accounts of them being seen somewhere together, like damn!  I’m not saying it can’t be true. If it is, more power to them because just like the user above, Krystal is my second bias in f(x), I am a MeU, and I loved Kai way before this ever happened. Speculating that a dating scandal may be a publicity stunt (as it happens in the media ALL THE TIME, this is NOT uncommon at all) speculating this is not me hating on Kaistal. It is simply me being skeptical and worried at the fact that my biases have possibly been subjected to this kind of stunt against their will, and simply because it is asked of them on their contracts. These stuns are horrible things to do to an idol. But again, if they’re real, more power to them, but don’t you dare say that our theories are ridiculous. They’re far from it. We’re skeptical with reason. 

[soojungforvogue]

when you get unexpected support

[junniesdream]

Just another theory about Kaistal

Ok, so as everyone else I have been debating whether to post this and blahblahblah because people will jump on me. If you think this will be a deluded analysis in terms of ‘I want oppa to be gay’ 'My OTP is real and yours isn’t’ or 'I want oppa for me’ this isn’t going to be it. Sorry folks. I would also like to say this are MY OWN THEORIES, I’m not forcing anyone to believe them because I have nothing to do with SM. I’m just another fan, but I like to think I’m an objective one. If Kaistal and Baekyeon are/were real good for them, I have nothing against each individual. First I would like to remind everyone how the Kpop industry is: This isn’t the west fellas. Idols basically almost don’t even own their own lives, if y'all think the companies don’t think about everything (their roles, how they have to act etc) before even debuting y'all have to think again. Since I’m a lazy ass I’m just going to paste this link which I think explains the Kpop industry and SM very clearly. Credit to the person who wrote it, you did a good job: http://ladyiceberg1312.tumblr.com/post/142198005953/kpop-sm-entertainment-my-truth-behind-their Now, after seeing how the industry is I will also direct you to a link from a post FROM 2012. The original post was apparently found which indicates that the apparent screenshots are not made up. This is SUPPOSEDLY written by someone whose aunt’s husband (or something like that) works in SM. I must say, I wouldn’t have believed in this post if the original post wasn’t written in 2012 but socks it’s from 2012 and they got most of the stuff they 'predicted’ correct I must give it a bit of credit (once again, my opinion): http://baoliao.tumblr.com/post/90316568632/insider-info-2012-the-inner-workings-of-sm Now, let’s start with my 'delulu’ theories: Let’s take into account the possibility of Baekyeon and Kaistal being fake (not saying they are because I don’t work for SM or have anything relationship with it. This is a mere possibility). SM is a business, they care about money and earnings. Seeing how they overwork their idols I doubt that they care much about their happiness. Let’s start with Kaistal (although I will probably include Baekyeon as well) 1. Luhan’s and Kris’ final plea is scheduled for the 8th of April (EXO’S anniversary) 2. NCT’S debut is scheduled for the 9th and 10th of April 3. There is a rumour that a same sex couple will be revealed 4. There have been rumours of another EXO member dating 5. Kaistal was supposed to be released in July (it didn’t specify whether this year or last year so I will take into account both possibilities)

Ok so 1. Kaistal was 'revealed’ one week before KrisHan’s final plea, there is the possibility of SM wanting to derive attention from the issue. Since it’s on EXO’s 4th anniversary SM knows that EXO Ls will definitely be FOCUSING on EXO that day. However, releasing a dating scandal will divert the attention since many people have either left the fandom (probably temporarily since SM most likely think they will come back during their summer comeback) or are on hiatus so they will not be paying as much attention to EXO, let alone the drama that the final plea could bring. Who knows if KrisHan’s could reveal some juicy details about the company? 2. SM might want to divert from those EXO Ls and the rest of the people to their new group NCT. I don’t hate NCT. They have all the right to debut and their debut must’ve been planned since months ago, however: Even if it was planned doesn’t it seem rushed? With EXO if I am not wrong they released teasers since months before their debut and if they wanted a lot of hype they could have kept people waiting for a bit more especially if this is SM’s last boy group as some say. This strangely reminds me of when Red Velvet suddenly debuted around one month after the Baekyeon scandal. Could SM be wanting to divert attention from EXO with new groups just to hype people for them or is there something bigger and darker behind it? Up to you to believe. Is there an scandal big enough to make SM take drastic measurements? Now let’s start with 3. The same sex couple rumour. Apparently a media outlet is threatening to put a same sex couple within the same 'trending group’. This could be a fake rumour but let’s consider it true for this point. Knowing how the majority of Korea is towards the LGBTQ community a same sex couple could destroy a group. If this was a rookie group I guess it wouldn’t catch as much attention and it could be revealed easily. However, what if it’s a BIG group? Surely a company wouldn’t want the money they spent on a group for years to go to waste (especially if it’s a big source of money for them) and the issue itself could make destroy the company. SM have enough money to make an outlet shut up, if the rumour was true and about a couple in the company wouldn’t SM be trying to keep the media outlet shut? And wouldn’t they be wanting to shut down any gay/lesbian rumours within the group involved just in case the issue is exposed? Quite coincidental how now so many members of EXO are going to be exposed dating (but I repeat again, these are my theories) This perfectly links with 4 and I don’t think I have much to say about it since I explained it pretty in this paragraph as well. Now onto 5, if Kaistal was supposed to be released last year why did SM wait until now? And if they were supposed to release it this July why did they move it forward knowing that a new group would debut and that it’s EXO’S anniversary? Since another dating scandal is supposed to be released in the second quarter wouldn’t it be better to address both scandals at the same time? Is SM trying to cover up something by releasing it now? Also let’s remember that SM has ties with Dispatch. When Baekyeon happened it wasn’t long after Kris’ departure had been announced which is a good point to consider. SM could’ve easily paid Dispatch to move the date forward since the fandom was quite weak. Did they mean to divert the attraction from Kris’ departure with this scandal? Or was it something else? I also want to address something written in the article about the details in their relationship. It says that they avoid crowded places. However they went to a restaurant frequented by the Jung sisters without any disguise? And the restaurant seemed quite full due to the number of cars parked around. Didn’t anyone snap a picture of them eating? In addition to this, Suho said something that also caught my attention. “When I told my manager that I was meeting Ji Soo separately, he was worried and asked me if I have told the vice president yet. He thought 'Ji Soo’ was a woman after hearing just his name” according to this it could be said that the company is strict about them going out with women. Then how were Kai and Krystal allowed to go out so freely and without disguise? I don’t want this to drag for too long so I will go through Baekyeon really quickly: The pictures seem off. They were in a car, with a roof open and kissing. Considering it was the middle of the night it wouldn’t have been difficult to spot them. And then Baekhyun flashing his phone in front of his face? Apparently at that time many people were also giving SM hate for the way they treat their artists so could this have been done to divert attention from this? And Kris’ issue? I would also like to say, considering that Kai got such a huge amount of support regarding the news about him dating Krystal (and she must have seen it on her Instagram) then why did he look like he was about to cry during the Lotte Concert secret night? I think it’s easy to see that’s how Kai doesn’t usually behave. After seeing all the support from fans why didn’t he look happy? He can now flaunt his GF everywhere, he should be happy. Also, if there are insiders giving information whose identities are known by the company, how can you be sure they’re not only saying what the company wants you to know? They could get in trouble if they released anything SM didn’t want you to know so it might be easier to lie and follow orders than expose what truly happens in there. You know, it’s better not to mess with the biggest entertainment company in SK. The only reason why I trust the 2012 post is because it’s from 2012. If it was from this year I wouldn’t trust it at all because they could be saying bs but how can someone get so many things right with it only being coincidence? Anyway I think this is the end of my 'theories’. All I am going to say is believe in what you want to believe :) I would’ve included pictures but I’m writing this from my phone and I’m too lazy to find them orz Sorry if there are any spelling mistakes

[baoliao]

[!!!!! INSIDER INFO 2012] THE INNER WORKINGS OF SM ENT

What my cousin’s husband would always tell me is that, I shouldn’t be “too attached” with my idols. As whatever you are seeing on the outside are already “packaged” by the company and what they are portraying right now are not really their true personalities. To be honest, everything has already been set up by the company; program scripts, behind the scenes of magazine interviews, fan-signing events. All things has already passed through the company’s fingertips. Believe what you want. SM is a veteran company, and the images of their idols are meticulously planned; moreover the idols can’t change it as they wish. An idol’s behavior in front of the camera and everything that you are seeing has already been planned. And most of what you see now, paves the way for greater things to fall into place later on.

They’re making an example with this new group. SM has very high expectations for EXO. However, their popularity in Korea in reality fell short from what they were expecting. 

SM is very controlling over new groups.

Pairings within a group are a MUST, so they go to great lengths with it. Some members are obedient, and some are quite against it. 

SM is really determined in making EXO popular whether by hook or by crook. They will try their damn hardest to boost the group’s popularity and make them known in the public. That is why, even though they just debuted, they already have collaborations within SMTOWN. They even got the chance to perform onstage with BoA even though she’s a senior. However, cousin’s husband said these are nothing. SM has other tricks up their sleeves and they are scarier.

Read the comments, I said I’m a student and my brother-in-law is the staff member. I absolutely did not post this in behalf of the company. = =. 

So to continue, the no-dating-policy is not true. Even when SJ were just rookies back then, there were already a lot of scandalous photos. SM, with the use of the internet, controls the public’s opinion and it’s actually very easy. They would continuously lead the public on but they wouldn’t say their official stance nor confirm the matter (unless it’s one of their objectives). They want the attention, the hype, and by the time the fans are already caught in, they would quickly shoot down the issue. SM’s moves are quite unpredictable.

But with EXO it’s different. Their trainee period was boring, there was nothing much to say with their past photos, there was no room for speculations, so firing up the public was the hardest.

Therefore, collaborations are vital, they would also automatically become the possible candidate every time ideal member types are asked, they’d interact with those girls (and must be seen by fans), in order to drop hints at us. 

SM’s package comes along with these little tricks. Everyone should seriously ponder this over.

Baekhyun’s love for SNSD is not just a casual thing (there’s actually more to it). [ENTRY DATE: August 30, 2012]

I just went to search for EXO-SNSD pairings. And I was surprised that there are fans who are quicker than the company, and whose thinking are in sync with the company’s, they also have a lot of resources…

I like EXO, although it’s my first time to really engage in hallyu. But still, I didn’t expect this.

By the way, that thing about KRISSICA dating is impossible. The company has already been planned Kris for something else and there’s no J (Jessica) for the few candidates that came up because she already reached taboo. She already has one too many scandals, and she’s already a member that gets more hate (than the others). The company would go all out no matter the cost, but not to the extent of destroying their own idols.

Kris won’t be paired up with Amber as well. 

The scandals won’t have Yoona in it as she’s in acting. To speak of, Taeyeon and Baekhyun has been planned. The louder the responses of the fans are, the more the company’s objectives are met. [ENTRY DATE: August 31, 2012]

The M subgroup will come up with a scandal since their popularity in Korea is not as good as K’s. SM would rather M sink (than K) because this is quite risky, similar incidents such as the Black Ocean might happen if they are not careful. M is confirmed, and they are making plans now for the two most popular (Kris and Luhan), that would then allow the entire group to be known. He said that they’re going to do the same thing to f(x) too. 

Luhan and Kris are definitely beneficial for the group, first of all they’ve got the looks, then their age is closer to the girl group’s age. As the main focus in SNSD is Seohyun who is the youngest. In Korea, they prefer if the guy is older than the girl.

Initially, the company paired Kris and Seohyun as their height makes them look compatible for the other. But plans changed as after several deliberations, their characters would be too hard to create a hype with. Kris is now matched with Yuri, or perhaps Luhan and Seohyun as main scandal, and Kris and Seohyun as supporting scandal.

Now, it’s mainly Luhan and Seohyun. Like I’ve said before, take a look at their collabs. There are a lot of SMTown interactions, and watch their interactions on fancams. Also for their ideal type, no other person would come in mind right? Also cousin’s husband said their dynamics is quite good. The goody-two shoes boy and girl just like one of those pure, innocent couples, and their characters onstage and offstage are compatible.

Luhan and Seohyun for the pure, unadulterated type.

Baekhyun and Taeyeon for the noona-dongsaeng, vocal LINE type. (this two is really set for it).

Kai will be possibly paired with Krystal, this is being discussed. Kai really doesn’t like couple pairings, male x male or male x female.

So Oh Sehun is also a possible candidate for Krystal, however this matter is a thing of the future. Maknae is unlikely to have a scandal this early, but definitely will have.

Kris might have Yuri, their style is unknown.

[ENTRY DATE: August 31, 2012]

I have no ill intentions with what I’ve said about Jessica, but she really has too many scandals from DBSK to SJ to idols from other companies, creating a scandal around her would do no good and instead would probably ruin her.

I asked about Kris and Jessica’s interaction during SMTown, and he said that there are only two possibilities:

1. The company made alterations with their plans (very small possibility)

2. The relationship between the two is actually pretty good (close)…but everybody don’t get to angry.

Tiffany has dating rumors with people outside the company. Tiffany and Nickhun is real, but he doesn’t know if they’re still together.

In addition, the EXO member’s have friends and developed friendships with their colleagues. In fact Kai and Baekhyun’s interactions with them in general have been witnessed by fans quite a lot since it has been set up by the company.

With K being manipulated, some companies are also involved.

EXO-M Lay’s popularity is just average but Lay has a lot of connections in the broadcasting stations in Hunan. 

SM has a lot in store for Lay, but they didn’t expect Kris’s to be popular that fast.

*T/N: The text before the line are questions, I’m only going to translate OP’s answers.

Not really, Luhan is M’s trump card and will ignite the fire. In fact it will also promote M’s popularity. Luhan and Seohyun is a win-win situation. Both are SM’s favorite, they are the ones who are deemed unlikely to have scandals. Seohyun is extremely popular, and generally has a good impression to the masses- well behaved girl and even non-fans also like her. Luhan as well had created a good image. The two of them are the pure and innocent type, profitable to both sides right? And the goguma thing from before will help Seohyun since it will create the hype, it will pave the way for the future.

KaiBaek was created to cover up that they’re not close.

ChanBaek, this is an official (planned) pairing.. Their relationship is pretty good however they excessively interact mostly for the hype.

All of M doesn’t like male pairings

Do not hope for SM to promote LuBaek.

Sooyoung’s going to act. SNSD is on the low, an album is going to be released this year, and after that there might be some changes. They will have activities IN GROUPS. [ENTRY DATE: August 31, 2012] 

Variety, acting

There’s no proposed scandals for Chanyeol, it’s assumed that he’s going to focus on acting only. [ENTRY DATE: August 31, 2012] 

I think you misunderstood me. I didn’t say Baekhyun doesn’t like SNSD, he likes them and it’s more like taking advantage of that fact. Also Baekhyun and Taeyeon looks cute together. Their height and appearance matches well.  But then again, SM doesn’t care if you like or dislike the person, the company focuses on a fitting scandal- the kind that is able to create a hype but unlikely to cause too many anti. Like BaekYeon, Baekhyun is originally an SNSD fan. SeoHan can be understood as they are suitable for each other, at least both of them have nothing against the other. However, a better understanding of this is that, they are awfully obedient, listening to what the company has in store for them. And then the company will work on the collaboration and so on.

Someone messaged me if Kris and Chanyeol would either be picked for Seohyun, also about KriSica. Well, I understand you guys since his (Kris) character and persona is somewhat like Seohyun (height) or Jessica (ice princess). However, he has been set up now with Yuri. It was Seohyun before but she didn’t match with what SM had in mind. Jessica is unlikely going to have a scandal now.

DBSK will release an album this year. Changmin will also have another drama

Japan for f(x). Take advantage of their TV series.

Korea will hold the two maknaes, and possibly give them shows.

I asked jiefu when they’re going back to China, he said Japan first. They’re still going to evaluate the responses to Victoria’s drama.

They’ve been talking about Luhan’s drama, he’s getting offers from the Mainland. However the probability of him acting this year is extremely low, look forward to next year okay?

The number of pairings, I do not know. But Minho and Krystal’s relationship is pretty good. Krystal is needed for EXO though. 

Tao will be recognized in the future

In fact Chinaline has different characteristics each.

Tao’s dancing and singing is not bad however they want him to focus on his martial arts, and he has limited chances of displaying his skills.

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T/N:

This insider thread was created August 30,2012 | 20:19. If you were to read this and compare to what happened the past 2 years, most of what she have said came true. It’s up to you to believe in this or not. TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT

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[!!!!] I WILL STOP TRANSLATING IF YOU DO

[kaisoo-mighty-balls]

IM SO SHOOK IM HAVING GOOSEBUMPS

[junniesdream]

The tension there….

[junniesdream]

The difference is way too big and yet there’s some people saying nothing happened between them

[junniesdream]

I want someone to look at me in the eye and tell me it is normal for Kyungsoo to almost cry like this. (Pic is cropped. Cr to owner)

[junniesdream]

When you’re not surprised private CCTV KxK pics are leaked because SM always leaks EXO’s super secure dance practices before their comebacks for publicity purposes 🌚

[cckaisoo]

Someone saying Why it's not KD who the BI is talking about "Also there's kxk in the picture and I somehow doubt that they'd reveal Ji in a hetero relationship, only for later to be revealed that they lied and that he's gay and together with ks"

Hey anon,

Purely my opinion.

Kxk is the safest route and possibly s m’s last resort. 

It was said that the media who was behind the gay couple blind item last year was really determined to release the article. But it was stopped. You can see different things related to e x o and s m popped up close to the bi. Things settled down, for then.

When the additional bi was informed to s m, you know they’re doom. The bi is giving specific details. You can’t deny the description in there is closely related to KD. That’s why kxk showed up.

It invalidates KD in the bi. It’s obvious. ‘oh look at the bi. Wait, KD is a possible pair but JI is dating’. It stops there. Only those who really thought it through will think KD is still relatable.

Things happened for a reason. Kxk has it purpose. If kxk didn’t happen, I believe a lot of people will think KD is the gay couple in the bi. No doubt. Even now, people who don’t even ship KD thinks KD fits the bi the most. But then, s m will be in a bigger trouble.

Possibility for the gay couple article to release is less likely. I don’t think they will expose them especially when s m is focusing on e x o. They will find a way out for sure. But think, how? How when the 1st bi showed up? How when the 2nd bi showed up?

I hope I answered your question. Take care, anon!

[grayblue-feathers]

Let me point out my thoughts.

First if you are an SM stan for over 5years i bet you will understand me very well, I am an SM stan and i think the company management and work is super genuis BUT i see no one more evil than this same company.

Over the years from SM first boybands in a certain points things get for the band in a tight spot that makes everybody lose their mind, if we go back in history you will see every SM boy band get to massive troubles after every SUPER hit. DBSK mirotic Super Junior Sorry Sorry As i said, if you an old fan you will understand my point.

Secondly why i started this Exo and Kai, oh no i mean Jongin, Kim Jongin. SM loves building up otps, but they get on trouble later when the otp get too close “yunjae, hanchul” and in this point we have Kaisoo, Jongin is pretty close to Kyungsoo i am not a delulu but honestly you wont stare at your bro/bff for longer than 5s, and you wont get all smiley blushy or even sexually frustrated because of them, Kaisoo are a little bit closer than bro. All the mess and trouble start exactly after the first statement of some “same-sex pair uncovering” then Kaisoo moment start lessen, and becomes distant or at least they put someone between them (victim Suho or lay), then out of the blue Kaistal was born i am not hating on them, but if they were already declared as a couple why dont they go out in public more? Why they shoots comes out only when the public ‘suspect’ something? Why they both dont look 'that’ pleased? Why Kyungsoo at the showcase seem like crying and Jongin seem so hurt and lost?

And honestly Jongin have gone through A LOT, from fans, sm, maybe band members like he is soo targeted i feel like he is a timing bomb that will blow soon.

I think Kaisoo have something, maybe Kaistal are close, and maybe Sehun was just testing and preparing the fans for something. . . . . You can hit me with any question or remark or even criticize you all free

[kaisoo-mighty-balls]

can someone explain to me why is Sehun always in this Kaisoo/Kaistal stuff?Does the kid know something?

[jiashineees]

just a thought...

even if one of them is “dating”, there should be no problem with kaisoo interacting with each other if they were just fanservicing or friends.

so why is interaction between kaisoo so minimal and strained?

why is it so difficult to make sense out of the entire situation but yet everything that is going on seems to explain their relationship?

[mystericc]

omg I was at a church youth group today and everyone was talking and crying about their feelings and broken relationships with their fathers and junk and when I was asked to share I ended saying that line from anterrograde tomorrow where it says that when you try to fix other people, you put yourself up to be broken and holy shit guys I just quoted gay fanfiction in church everybody stretch your hands towards me i need Jesus