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an intro to lad macs!
we are a group of lady macbeth enthusiasts here to spread the word of not only macbeth, but other shakespeare works too!
~•when you durst do it, then you were a man•~
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macbeth is such a shitty boss. imagine you're coming into the work to make a report, and your boss immediately calls you pale, weird looking and cowardly (he's definitely projecting). then you try to tell him about the ten thousand soldiers led by his opposition on their way to fight him and he interrupts you. after you're done relaying the information you need to while keeping the interaction as brief as possible, he tells you to get out of his sight. there's 100% something wrong with him. oh he's also a murderer and the entire country is suffering under his management. you're so done.
love love love using macbeth quotes in real life completely outside of the context in which they were written.
getting ready to go somewhere with friends: "let's briefly put on manly readiness"
noticing the weather outside is crazy: "so foul and fair a day i have not seen"
being gifted something: "is this a [object] which i see before me?
friends saying something courageous / something you want to hear: "this tune goes manly"
heading out: "i must become a borrower of the night for a dark hour or twain" anything horrible: "o horror, horror, horror!" / "ring the bell!" if you're not paying attention: "give me your favor. my dull brain was wrought with things forgotten" seeing/hearing something unbelievable: "have we eaten on the insane root that takes the reason prisoner?" let's talk for real: "let us speak our free hearts each to other" having a bad day: "let this pernicious hour stand aye accursed in the calendar!" your friend needs to chill out: "my dearest coz, I pray you school yourself"
your friend does something really awesome, and you're okay with implying that they'll give birth only to sons because of it: "bring forth men-children only, for thy undaunted mettle should compose nothing but males"
love love love using macbeth quotes in real life completely outside of the context in which they were written.
getting ready to go somewhere with friends: "let's briefly put on manly readiness"
noticing the weather outside is crazy: "so foul and fair a day i have not seen"
being gifted something: "is this a [object] which i see before me?
friends saying something courageous / something you want to hear: "this tune goes manly"
professor just said “Macbeth’s best friend is not his wife, it is the audience.” not even my shakespeare class professor. my head is spinning. his best friend is the audience...
i know that in many ways this is just how soliloquies work. but now i'm also thinking about how macbeth increasingly withdraws from lady macbeth through the second half of the play, becoming less and less transparent. and to some degree he does this with us too, his language getting more tangled as he hesitates to put words to his worst plans, but then, he hesitates to say "murder" in his first soliloquy too. we're the ones who go with him to the witches; we're the ones who hear tomorrow and tomorrow. again i promise i understand this is how soliloquies work but it's not something i've thought about this way with him before rather than, like, hamlet
Favourite Macbeth character?
Duncan
Malcolm
Macbeth
Banquo
Lady Macbeth
Macduff
Fleance
The Porter
The Witches
Other / I'm bald / See results
I'm interested in seeing people's thoughts!
Duncan obviously isn't a popular first choice! Understandable, considering he died within the first couple of acts. I'm curious as to whether that's the only reason as to why people didn't choose him, or if there's anything else behind it. What did you guys think about him as a king, and what did you think of his relationship with the Macbeths?
Obviously the action of Macbeth killing Duncan is presented as an awful sin (with it subverting the natural order of power and all, cough cough great chain of being, cough cough divine right of kings). But considering we don't actually see or hear much of him, he seems less like a distinct king to me and more like how any king would have been expected to be; The fact that he is Macbeth's superior, the one Macbeth fights for only adds to the shame and immorality of what Macbeth did in his seeking ambition. Duncan seems to be rewarding to those who are loyal to him, like when he gives Macbeth the title Thane of Cawdor, his compliments to his hosts and his gifts for them ("He hath been in unusual pleasure and sent forth great largess to your offices", "This diamond he greets your wife withal, by name of most kind hostess"), and Macbeth cannot bear to go back and see what he's done when he needs to place the daggers with the guards (although whether that guilt is more to do with his killing of Duncan specifically or simply just the gravity of killing a king / the social and religious consequences that could come from it is debatable).
To be quite honest, while I don't have anything particularly against Duncan, I don't really care much about him either - perhaps that's the case for most people who voted. His death is certainly very important to the plot of Macbeth, but I don't have many thoughts about the man himself.
King Duncan is like that distant rich uncle that you see once at a family gathering; you know that he is important and understand his presence as an authority figure but overall you have no close attachment to him. One thing I find cool is how the betrayal of Duncan parallels/ draws allusion to the betrayal of Jesus by Judas. We love religious imagery
We do indeed love some religious imagery!
Both before the murder of Duncan and after it, it's clear the magnitude of the sin Macbeth commits. In Macbeth's soliloquy weighing up the reasons to kill and not to kill Duncan in Act 1 Scene 7, quite a large portion of it talks about his obligation to Duncan as his subject and host ("First, as I am his kinsman and his subject, both strong against the deed; then as his host, who should against his murderer shut the door, not bear the knife myself") and the divine/religious implications that could come with this potential regicide ("his virtues will plead like angels, trumpet-tongued, against the deep damnation of his taking off"). And yet he still commits the murder despite this to pursue personal ambition, brought to the surface by the witches - who are (to sum it up) a representation of the subversion of the natural and godly order of the world - and with the influence of Lady Macbeth who also seeks to reject the traditional (at the time the play is set, and at the time it was written) role of a woman - religiously devout, nurturing, gentle - also in favour of personal gain. Then of course there's the motif of water, with the sin of killing Duncan (essentially a representative of God according to the divine right of kings) being so great that no amount of water could cleanse it - the very act of killing Duncan taints Macbeth and all that which he interacts with on a divine level ("Will all great Neptune's ocean wash this blood clean from my hand? No; this my hand will rather the multitudinous seas incarnadine"). Lady Macbeth cannot wash away the "damned spot" from her hand, the sin that has been committed has not and cannot be forgiven ("What's done cannot be undone"), despite the connotations of water typically being divinely cleansing, for example when used in the sacrament of baptism for the forgiveness of sins and to welcome people into the church / faith in God. In carrying out the plot to kill Duncan, someone they have a religious and personal obligation to, they actively distance themselves from God and are unable to close that gap without true repentance.
I love seeing references and direct quotations of Shakespeare in Star Trek - his plays and writing often really does transcend time, and so it's incredibly lovely to see a clear appreciation and respect for his words even in such a futuristic setting. It's amazing to think that Shakespeare really could be admired so far into the future - I mean, his works have held up strong for over 400 years thus far, so it wouldn't be terribly surprising, but the thought still gets me.
Favourite Macbeth character?
Duncan
Malcolm
Macbeth
Banquo
Lady Macbeth
Macduff
Fleance
The Porter
The Witches
Other / I'm bald / See results
I'm interested in seeing people's thoughts!
I love love Lady macbeth as much as the next person, but something about Banquo really makes me like him, like he is Macbeth's character foil; a better version of him. What if Macbeth had been honest with his friend, could Banquo have stopped him?
Something something, Banquo was Macbeth's voice of reason and his death was the final straw that pushed Macbeth into another pit of guilt and insanity. King Duncan doesn't appear to Macbeth, it is Banquo who sits mockingly from his chair. 10/10 wish I had more of him.
Banquo is quite an interesting character! I particularly love his and Macbeth's conversation in the first bit of Act 2 Scene 1 - Banquo open about his dream about the sisters, whereas Macbeth acts as though he's given their words no consideration. Macbeth tests the waters and asks to talk to him about what they've heard, and Banquo makes it clear where his allegiance lies. Certainly an intriguing contrast - It definitely would've been nice to see more of him, especially in the context of his friendship with Macbeth.
Favourite Macbeth character?
Duncan
Malcolm
Macbeth
Banquo
Lady Macbeth
Macduff
Fleance
The Porter
The Witches
Other / I'm bald / See results
I'm interested in seeing people's thoughts!
Duncan obviously isn't a popular first choice! Understandable, considering he died within the first couple of acts. I'm curious as to whether that's the only reason as to why people didn't choose him, or if there's anything else behind it. What did you guys think about him as a king, and what did you think of his relationship with the Macbeths?
Obviously the action of Macbeth killing Duncan is presented as an awful sin (with it subverting the natural order of power and all, cough cough great chain of being, cough cough divine right of kings). But considering we don't actually see or hear much of him, he seems less like a distinct king to me and more like how any king would have been expected to be; The fact that he is Macbeth's superior, the one Macbeth fights for only adds to the shame and immorality of what Macbeth did in his seeking ambition. Duncan seems to be rewarding to those who are loyal to him, like when he gives Macbeth the title Thane of Cawdor, his compliments to his hosts and his gifts for them ("He hath been in unusual pleasure and sent forth great largess to your offices", "This diamond he greets your wife withal, by name of most kind hostess"), and Macbeth cannot bear to go back and see what he's done when he needs to place the daggers with the guards (although whether that guilt is more to do with his killing of Duncan specifically or simply just the gravity of killing a king / the social and religious consequences that could come from it is debatable).
To be quite honest, while I don't have anything particularly against Duncan, I don't really care much about him either - perhaps that's the case for most people who voted. His death is certainly very important to the plot of Macbeth, but I don't have many thoughts about the man himself.
i got a fucking. advertisement on youtube. from google ai. saying. without sarcasm and with complete sincerity. "if shakespeare is too hard for you, you can always have our ai explain it to you." im gonna throw up. im gonna throw a molotov cocktail. if i see that ad again im reporting it for hate speech. how fucking dare you. i will kill you with my bare hands. with my exit pursued by a bear hands. i will tear google headquarters down brick by brick. im going to start biting people.
macbeth really went from "no murder let fate crown me with what is mine" to "pass me the dagger I'll do it myself" in like half a day. what a guy.
I can't be getting into Shakespeare right now. I refuse to let my brain blorbo-ify Puck Robin Goodfellow from 420 year old play A Midsummer Night's Dream
shakespeare definitely took inspiration from Lin-Manuel Miranda‘s hit musical Hamilton when he wrote „tomorrow and tomorrow creeps in this petty pace from day to day“ and that’s why he’s such an icon
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love how mark antony in caesar’s funeral speech after julius caesar’s death is him just sarcastically complimenting brutus and emotionally manipulating the crowd until they hate brutus.
he starts off with “I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him” to get the audience to listen to him because no one likes obvious flattery (especially since most of the crowd hates caesar at this point, they would also start to dislike antony if he started off with praise and then his speech would not be effective), especially since brutus has managed to convince them that caesar is bad and that he was enslaving the romans in the name of patriotism. this also makes the speech a turning point in the play, because antony uses words that initially sound sincere (like “noble Brutus”, “Brutus is an honourable man”, and other such words of irony). however, the repetition makes the words sound more ironic and it also implies that he has negative feelings towards brutus for murdering caesar
he also uses emotional manipulation (“You all did love him once, not without cause” ← he is accusing the crowd for being reasonable and also calling them “brutish beasts” for they once loved and supported him & “My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar” ← the metaphor is used to show that even after caesar is dead, he still has antony’s heart + makes him more human like by expressing his emotions + the line after [“And I must pause till it come back to me”] gives the crowd he is speaking to time to really think about their beliefs and feelings, and also successfully go against brutus AND he weeps during his pause, which would pull heartstrings in both the audience watching the play and the crowd antony is speaking to) to create subtle nuances in their views and eventually turning them against brutus, which was his intention since he wanted to take revenge for caesar after the brutus’ betrayal i love julius caesar (the play) so much oml
i was thinking about lady macbeth again (as one does) when i realized it’s possible that her hands actually ARE bloody from all the washing making them dry and cracked, or even from actually scrubbing the skin off in places.
her frantic attempts to make herself clean are only harming her, but when she looks down at the bleeding wounds, all she sees is sin. so she washes them again, stopping them from scabbing over and healing. is that anything
the fact that people think Shakespeare is overrated is crazy to me. like this dudes writing literally felt like gods words after the terrible contemporary texts we had to study (excluding ACC <3). tell me he’s not great when he literally has analysis in every single line. literally foreshadows the whole plot of Macbeth and gets away with it. and of course the monologues and soliloquies are amazing :D like why does no one in contemporary books tell me their uttermost deepest thoughts in one giant rant paragraph?
my reaction when people insult shakespeare's writing:
Patrick Stewart as Macbeth <33
i mean, i do very much understand when people talk about not liking how shakespeare is taught in classrooms (very understandable considering these are plays!! they're meant to be performed, not read out blandly in a stuffy classroom where nobody is engaged because lessons aren't designed to be engaging!!). that being said, i think you're spot on. like there's SO much to explore with shakespeare, so many interesting themes and it's rich with clever imagery that i could never dream to find elsewhere. what's not to love?
