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Friendly reminder that this guy knocked someone up
Same german 🇩🇪 voice actor...
wait hold on, what. sebastian did grell in the musical? (i havent seen the full thing just like gifs and stuff on here)
OMG YES I ALMOST DIED THEN!!!
*takes a deep breath* Rant time!
Ok so in The Most Beautiful Death In The World (the second Black Butler Musical), Sebastian was ordered to catch the serial killer, right? So when Ciel allowed the reapers (Eric Slingby, Alan Humphries, and GRELL SUTCLIFF), whom were also investigating the killer, to stay at the manor, Sebastian managed to not only figure out who the killer is, but capture him as well… (sort of).
During the night, Sebastian found Grell running around the manor while she was fantasizing about him in THE OUTFIT THAT HE MADE HER WEAR (according to Grell, at least),
and then (to Grell’s delight and Sebastian’s utter displeasure, as we find out in the morning), he “interrogates” her much like he did Beast (the Circus Arc), and the Nun (the Cult Arc).
Although I’m not a big fan of SebasGrell (or whatever you want to call it), it’s almost one of my favorite scenes in the musical (besides the scene before with Eric and Alan and yeah I’m a Slingphries fan!) and it’s even better because, since Yana decided to put a frame of Eric and Alan into the manga (Chapter 115 I think? Or 113, I can’t remember, heartbreaking though it was), THE ENTIRE SECOND MUSICAL WAS MADE CANON!!! So (canonly) Sebastian did the frickafrack with Grell. They don’t actually show it, but they do talk about it! (Grell is very passionate about it and Sebastian is very VERY indifferent.)
Here’s a transcript excerpt of the scene:
Sebastian: And this time, I even received some help.
Alan: Grell?!
Finny: Excuse me, but are you okay?
(Oh my heart, poor innocent Finnian!)
Grell: Oh, that was a hot night… Me and Sebby… thrusting passionately… shared a sweaty night together!
Sebastian: It was nothing of the sort. In order to complete the investigation in one night, I needed the strength of a Grim Reaper. That is all
Grell: Oh, but you were so rough! Sebastian’s voice echoing in the moonless night… “Keep still, Oh say it again! Sebastian!
Sebastian: That is quite enough, Master Grell.
If you still don’t believe me, the entire musical is on youtube under many different subtitled translations.
Feel free to read this fan fic which describes the morning after in detail, with my own little twist~. There are eight chapters so far!
THEY DID NOT HAVE SEX…. Sebastian pushed Grell around and made Grell help him out with the investigation. Grell just describes it in a way that sounds sexual, much like he does with pretty much everything….
Grell essentially lives in a fantasy world, I swear LOL
THEY TOOK DOWN THE MUSICALS IF ANYONE HAS IT LIKE ON THEIR COMPUTER CAN U PUT IT IN GOOGLE DRIVE AS A PUBLIC FILE SO WE ALL CAN HAVE IT ?!?!?!?!
Um, aren’t they for sale?
@abybweisse they are not in production anymore so now the price has been hiked up to like $100 for the dvd plus $50 for shipping D:::::
That is pricey. Lol out of my budget.
I haven’t seen Lycoris yet at all…. Somehow… Eventually….
@abybweisse I was only able to watch lycoris because I stalked the crap out of YouTube and I saw every musical because again YouTube stalking and then someone had put lycoris 2015 on a google drive playlist so I downloaded it on my computer and the extra scenes so I only have lycoris 2015 but I want kyromu2012 so freaken badly omg it was the best one…that was the best Alan and Eric in my opinion I cried so much because their connection was so strong
Eric and Alan is about the only ship I see sailing…. And the manga finally made it canon. The sads. The sads.
I just wanna know HOW a reaper could reproduce? They are dead, essentially walking suicides, right? To me Undertaker and Claudia were married in life and when she died he couldn’t take it and took his own life, thus becoming a reaper. So still the same hc just……different? I guess? No hate to you or your blog (I actually really love this blog) and I really hope this doesn’t come off as rude but I was just wondering if you had any hcs as to how the fuck the DEAD could have a baby??
Hiya anon! Not rude at all 💙 I appreciate the love and that we have different hc/theories/takes!
All that being said...
3 DAYS!!!
Yes, I 100% took this scene from Hazbin Hotel.
dw tv show deaths: ooo she got vaporized oh no
dw audio drama deaths:
Undertaker is Ciel’s Grandfather
Now that Twin Ciel Theory (something I believed as far back as the Circus Arc) has been confirmed, I’d like the community to turn their attention to another theory I’ve been brainstorming on. Yes, I think Undertaker is Vincent’s father, and grandfather to the twins.
Now, I’m aware that I’m not the first to suggest this, or even to post about it, but I’ve yet to find something that puts all the evidence together. And I get it. There’s not much to go on. But this new chapter has given me hope enough to plead my case.
So, to begin. Our first clue was of course, the locket Our Ciel took from Undertaker in the Campania Arc. It was later revealed that one of the lockets had his grandmother’s hair in it. Now, this doesn’t mean much, except that Undertaker knew her and likely helped her on cases the same way he helped Vincent and Our Ciel. But then, we get this:
This panel set is from chapter 103, titled “That Butler, Identified.” Curious title for a chapter about the train escape from the Green Witch Arc, although an argument can be made that this chapter showed where Wolfram’s loyalties actually were. Personally, though, I think this is the biggest reveal, even if you don’t think it helps prove Undertaker’s connection to the Phantomhive family.
This page reveals that normal people can’t see Grim Reapers, unless they reveal themselves or are close to death. Now, that makes a lot of sense, and actually closes a plot hole about how nobody’s ever seen a red-haired man swinging around a chainsaw. But I don’t think “close to death” necessarily means “close to dying,” but could also mean a physical proximity to death, sort of like Thestrals in Harry Potter. Think about it. Madam Red saw Grell right after she killed her first victim. Lizzy literally saw the undead right in front of her, and is training to be the wife of the Guard Dog. And Rian Stoker was trying to reanimate the dead.
Now, I don’t know if this is what Yana Toboso wanted to imply, but it’s fascinating to think about whether a Reaper allowed themselves to be seen or if the humans they interact with are “close to death.”
But Our Ciel, who is definitely “close to death,” is given another reason. The German Reapers are careful to point out his family tree, where we see that Claudia and someone named Cedric K. Ros— were Vincent’s parents. Now might be a good time to point out that we don’t know Undertaker’s real name. If Our Ciel had Shinigami blood, it would A) explain how he can see Reapers, and B) go toward explaining why his soul is so exceptional and rare and blah blah— I don’t want to sound like Claude.
And, if Undertaker was connected to the Phantomhives, it would explain why he said:
“Anymore.” Meaning he lost ones he cared about. We already know about Claudia, whose hair he kept, but then there’s also this:
In the newest chapter, he explains that he can’t bring someone back if their body was burned, like Vincent’s was. Now, whether or not whoever set the fire did that intentionally, I have no idea. But, the newest chapter does reveal that Undertaker has been working on his experiments for a long time, even before Vincent’s death. We know this, because he already had the setup for Real Ciel’s body. And, these two scenes also give more detail to his reasoning, explained in the Campania Arc.
Now, I always thought this to be a shaky train of thought. Why would he randomly decide to quit being a Shinigami and pursue this question as far as he did. Well, what if he fell in love with a human? What if she died and he had to collect her soul? How would he feel, with the realization that the same thing would happen to his son, his grandchildren, their grandchildren, all while he had to quietly watch them die, collecting souls? I bet this is what spurred his actions.
Now, I don’t know whether he was Cedric, or if that was Claudia’s husband (I doubt Undertaker could have married her, with his Shinigami duties and all) and Undertaker had an affair with her. They could have easily met while she was doing her job as the Guard Dog, her “closeness to death” allowing her the ability to see him. It’s very likely that he helped her, and continued to help Vincent, then Our Ciel (although whether or not Vincent knew Undertaker was his father is anyone’s guess. I’d bet he had a suspicion if he didn’t already know).
I think this is very possible, and not even that out of left field. In fact, we were introduced to this very concept back in 2011, with this OVA:
For those of you who haven’t seen Season 2 in a bit (not that I blame you) this is a short OVA about Will and Grell working together for the first time to collect the soul of an author who is then inspired by the two Reapers to write “The Story of Will the Reaper.” In that book, a Reaper named Will falls in love with a human who dies. He makes a deal with the God of the Underworld to trade his memories of their life together for her soul and disappears. The girl lives, and later has a child she named Will. The end.
Now, I don’t know about you, but there are several concepts here that sound pretty familiar. A Reaper disappearing after the woman he loved dies, despite his attempts to save her. Then there’s the whole trading memories for souls business. That’s literally what Undertaker does with his Bizarre Dolls! He gives them false memories in place of their souls and reanimated them.
Before anyone points it out, I know Season 2 isn’t canon (and thank God for that), but that doesn’t mean the concepts used can’t BECOME canon. After all, Undertaker’s Shinigami reveal in Season 1 wasn’t canon for years! Besides, Yana has been laying down breadcrumbs in her work since the Circus Arc, which was before Season 2 was even a concept. It’s entirely possible that she used the OVAs to leave clues for future reveals, and lay the groundwork for fans to figure it out.
So, in conclusion, I think Undertaker is Vincent’s father, and left the Reaper office to work on a way to make his family basically immortal after he lost Claudia. This explains his sadness over Vincent’s death, why he reanimated Real Ciel, and why he’s so protective of Our Ciel. (Remember, he’s considered killing Sebastian multiple times.) This also explains why, even though Our Ciel is in his way, Undertaker never made a serious move to harm or incapacitate him. (Note: SERIOUS. He always knew Sebastian would keep him safe.)
The reason I wanted to put this out there is because in the newest chapter, Yana gave us this outright challenge.
She literally dares us to theorize about the connection, and I accept!!!!! I’m throwing all my cards on the table, and I hope everyone can see the thought I put into this!
Even Sebastian seems like he had a pretty good idea, before Real Ciel (who I would argue is more like Clone of Real Ciel than actually Real) shuts him up.
That said, I also think this page shows that Undertaker’s past with the Phantomhives is going to be revealed sooner rather than later, so I wanted to get this posted before then.
So, I hope I’ve convinced you to at the very least go back and see if this theory makes sense. And, if you find any additional evidence, I’d love to know about it!
Side note: It’s pretty clear that Real Clone Ciel killed Agni (possibly with either Undertaker’s or the other Stars’ help) and I will never forgive him for that. That little abomination was a brat in the flashbacks and a brat now. I’ll take Our Ciel any day!!!
14th December 1885 and Ciel in the cult
This post is in reference to flashbacks in Kuroshitsuji chapters 10/11, 19, 32, 62 and 101.
So after establishing this theory, I started thinking back on that fateful night when Vincent and Rachel were killed and Ciel was taken away, and I hoped to do some kind of timeline/analysis to try understanding the killer(s)’ goals (?) and whether Ciel’s time at the cult was coincidental, or planned by the one who decided to kill his parents (obviously, if it was planned it’s even more horrible for him).
This is probably Kuroshitsuji’s biggest mystery since it’s the main plot: Ciel’s revenge is linked to this night and his contract to Sebastian is linked to his revenge, which is why we probably don’t have enough clues yet, but still I tried with what we had.
Spoilers everywhere obviously, and special thanks to wondrouswatchdog who discussed the theory with me (your patience is a gift :3). Also, since it’s already a very complicated matter, I’m leaving out all theories about Ciel, 2CT included.
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1) Flashback of ch 19
It all starts here:
Ciel is still in his cute everyday outfit and it’s impossible to say what time it actually is. Then someone yells.
He finds the dog first, gets blood on his hand and then…
He finds his parents. Vincent looks like he’s hugging Rachel (so maybe she was hit first?) but blood seems to be pooling around both their bodies. No gunshots were heard seemingly, so it’s safe to assume that Ciel’s parents were stabbed.
From the amount of blood on the floor, Rachel or Vincent (or both) were really injured and they don’t seem to react to Ciel’s presence and eventual screaming.
That’s when it really becomes interesting.
Ciel somehow finds Tanaka (at the end of the corridor?) while his parents are either already dead or very probably on the verge of dying, but Tanaka is already facing the culprit. He doesn’t even have time to warn Ciel that he’s already stabbed in the back (and that is some huge knife the guy has) and then falls to the ground.
Let’s stop here for a moment.
Remember Tanaka in the Green Witch arc? We’re speaking of a guy who was able to cut a bullet in half with his Japanase sword, so there is no need to wonder about his strength and speed (and that’s 3 years after this incident and with a wound to his back).
So what does it say about his opponent?
Tanaka tried to warn Ciel and turned his back to his opponent, which means he probably thought he had the time to urge Ciel to run before fighting back (otherwise he would have stayed focused on his opponent, he’s not stupid). And yet he was stabbed, so the one holding the knife was probably not some common killer (this point doesn’t have to make much sense, it’s mostly that Tanaka was defeated even though we know he’s a badass fighter and it’s hard to surprise him).
Back to the analysis, after Tanaka is out, what happens to Ciel?
This panel makes everything surreal because:
- Either it’s Ciel’s own hand and he’s trying to protect himself by doing the gesture of putting his hands in front of his face: but in that case we should see his left thumb (try doing the gesture yourself with your left hand if you don’t know what I mean).
- Or it’s someone else’s hand coming from behind him and in front of his eyes, which makes sense because it looks like to be the left ring finger and the pinky.
Whose hand is it though? An accomplice of the one with the knife? Vincent who managed to get up? Another servant? It’s impossible to say right now, but this hand probably snatched Ciel from behind (so either in order to make him run/protect him or to capture him).
One other thing I have to say about this panel: this could be just a drawing effect but doesn’t above look like the bloody knife is up in the air while the guy facing Ciel has his two arms down? Creepy isn’t it? I felt like pointing it out because it freaked me out, especially when we saw the right hand holding the knife when Tanaka was stabbed.
2) 3 strange facts
That’s the only flashback about this night and what happened in the Phantomhive manor on December 14, 1885, and after that Ciel is already shown to be in the cult.
However there are a few facts so far that are already raising a few questions:
The fire
Vincent and Rachel were stabbed and didn’t react to Ciel’s screaming so they were probably going to die of their wounds. So why start a fire?
We know from the Undertaker’s words in ch105 that Vincent’s body was horribly burnt, even though we saw he was stabbed along with Rachel. And even if we consider he managed to survive the first hit somehow, why didn’t they stab him again? Why a fire?
It might have a totally different purpose than just killing Vincent.
The fire destroyed the manor and the Phantomhives’ belongings so it might have been all about the Watchdog’s annihilation. Also, obviously a fire can be started accidentally, while stabbing leaves evidence of blatant murder. So a fire would raise less questions than obvious killing.
If the fire was to hide evidence (I’m more about the symbolism of absolute annihilation of anything related to the Watchdog, especially if Victoria is the mastermind and Vincent was acting against her).
Madam Red
She was supposed to come for Ciel’s birthday on that same day but when she arrived at the manor:
The fire had already started. She probably arrived early on the evening in order to celebrate her nephew’s birthday, so this means Ciel’s parents and Tanaka were stabbed shortly before the evening.
We might see our dear Madam Red again when Yana finally starts explaining the real deal, because she’s the one who discovered the fire, so she might have done something afterwards, but what?
(By the way, why did it seem Lizzie was scheduled to celebrate Ciel’s birthday on a different day, since it seems only Ann came to the manor while Lizzie learnt at home of what happened?)
Tanaka
He’s the real deal here. Stabbed as he was and since we know Ciel found him in the hospital after Sebastian brought him home, the question is: how did he escape death and the fire?
He was still resting in the hospital when Ciel came back from the cult and when he received his title from Victoria: so Tanaka stayed at least 3 months resting in a bed (since Ciel’s ceremony was in March).
So he was hurt deeply on December 14 but still, he managed to escape from the Phantomhive manor and the fire?
Maybe. Or maybe not.
Yes, I’m actually saying that maybe there was someone else who arrived after/was already there when the murders happened and that person saved Tanaka. Because even if he managed to escape somehow, he would have need immediate transport to a hospital, so the theory to have outside help isn’t so far-fetched.
Who is that potential ally though? Could be anybody on Vincent’s side, from Frances to the Undertaker, passing by someone we might not know yet (before you ask, since Angelina arrived after the fire started, I doubt it could be her, but I can’t exactly dismiss her either since we don’t know what she did after discovering the fire).
3) Ciel and the cult
The aftermath of the tragedy on December 14 was Ciel finding himself with crazy people who wanted to summon a demon and I don’t think I have to remind you of the hell he lived through and how much it destroyed him.
3 questions:
Is the cult behind Vincent and Rachel’s murders?
How did Ciel find himself in there? Was his time with the cult planned or is it just a pure coincidence?
We don’t know if Ciel managed to run away after Tanaka was stabbed, or if he was captured by an accomplice of the one with the knife, but the thing is he was bought by a guy and sent in there, so somehow even if he managed to run away from the manor at first, he was eventually captured at some point. (To be honest, I don’t think he could have escaped the one who defeated Tanaka, unless the hand creeping in front of his face in the flashback is someone who wants to save him.)
Is the cult behind Vincent and Rachel’s murders?
To answer this, I’ll need to bring in someone we all dislike: Kelvin.
Kelvin was crazy about Vincent and Ciel ever since he saw them the very first time.
He tried to find a way to be worthy of them and was really depressed when he heard about their death, but Kelvin was affiliated with that sect, as it is shown when his buddy visits him to tell him “their buyer” found Ciel.
So it sounds unlikely that the cult annihilated Vincent and his family since they seemed so happy to have found Ciel a bit coincidentally thanks to their buyer (who’s the one who bought all the other kids we could see in that flashback during the Green Witch arc).
So the cult aren’t the ones directly responsible for Vincent and Rachel’s murders.
How did Ciel find himself in there? Was his time with the cult planned or is it just a pure coincidence?
This part is just awful when you appreciate Ciel’s character…
It all starts here:
This is Ciel who just got out of the cult after binding himself to Sebastian and he’s holding a ring.
Ciel always wears two rings on his fingers: the blue one Elizabeth once broke before Sebastian fixed it, worn by the head of the Phantomhive family (in other words the Queen’s watchdog) and the gold one, which found his way back to him thanks to Angelina.
So the bloody ring he’s holding above definitely is the most important one of the two: the blue ring Vincent always wore as well on his fingers.
So how come Ciel has it when he just got out of the cult, especially since it’s a ring Vincent would always wear as well?
I also said earlier that we could see Ciel in his usual outfit when he found his parents dead, but he’s wearing cheap and worn out clothes during his time in the cult, like the other kids, so it’s not like he could have taken the ring himself and hidden it inside his clothes. And yet this ring was definitely within the cult’s place and Ciel got it back (seeing how bloody the ring and Ciel’s sleeve are, I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually ripped it from someone’s finger).
So why? Because this ring means two things:
It proves Ciel’s identity as a member of the Phantomhive family
That’s how that horrible pig knew Ciel was “the real Phantomhive boy”.
It gives the cult the insurance that Vincent is dead (otherwise the ring would be on his finger) and won’t pursue them if they toy with his son (besides, they must have heard about the fire as well, so the ring is only a confirmation that the Queen’s watchdog is indeed dead)
And who took the ring out of Vincent’s finger? Obviously the one(s) behind his murder, and since that ring could prove Ciel’s identity easily, the fact Ciel had it right after he got out of the sect means they left it with Ciel after Vincent’s murder (which is how the cult realized who he was and decided to make him a “sacrificial lamb”).
In other words, the one(s) who killed Vincent were the reason the cult knew who Ciel was and decided to treat him the way they did for their satanic summonings.
4) Conclusion
So did Ciel find himself in that hell coincidentally? No way, it was all planned by whoever decided to annihilate the Phantomhive family.
Whoever they are, they planned Vincent’s murder, destructed all that was his (his home, his belongings, his wife) and sent his son in Hell (and all that on his son’s birthday).
I call that revenge. Or punishment.
And we all know there is only one person above the Watchdog in term of power anyway, and they’re his master.
Oh, and did you also know that December 14 is the day Albert, Victoria’s dear husband died? She loved him soooooo much, she still needs a puppet of him to keep on feeling happy and safe.
Just sayin’ (there is no coincidence in Kuroshitsuji). ;)
(Thanks for reading)
Thank you for posting! This is one of the most streamlined linear piece-together of Ciel’s past that I’ve seen :) Totally agree that it’s likely whoever sold Ciel to the cult gave the ring along with him. And good point about Tanaka- at least we can be sure whoever attacked him isn’t an ordinary person (assuming it’s a person…).
If it was punishment, it feels like Ciel was the one being punished, not Vincent- Ciel was left to grieve his parents and be tortured by the cult, while Vincent only died. But Vincent was the one who presumably did the punishment-worthy thing hmm. If it was revenge, it’d be a different (and creepier) matter, where killing the object (Vincent) wasn’t enough to satisfy the culprit: they had to let out even more spite on his son.
Ciel vs Victoria (aka war preparations vs revenge)
The fact it was a short chapter aside, I think this chapter gave us some necessary insights into Ciel’s mind about how he sees his position as the Queen’s watchdog, amongst other things, and I think Yana did an interesting thing there.
Warning: spoilers for chapter 104 and very lengthy post.
So, about…
This. It’s yet another moment in which Ciel’s amazing. Let me explain.
To me, it’s obvious he’s talking about Victoria here since the German army was on the move to kill Sieglinde until the last chapter, but Sieglinde as insurance only works if she’s alive and Queen Victoria is the one who asked him to bring her back to England.
The question is: why would he need an insurance against the Queen when she’s the one who sent him to Germany in the first place?
Well, about that, do you remember the official reason Ciel went to Germany?
First of all, words travel fast and she must have had other spies in Germany since we know now that all that were secret experiments done by a part of Germany’s army.
So she probably knew what she was sending Ciel into and even if we theorize she didn’t, well anyway, Ciel’s objective went from what’s above to…
Yes, Sieglinde is interesting because Sieglinde can create chemical weapons, that’s why the German army was sheltering her so much in the first place, so obviously Victoria’s interest for her is of the same kind. And what are chemical weapons useful for, especially when you add them to panzers construction?
War, obviously.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Victoria’s objective through Yana was to start something similar to WWI earlier than in real time (we’re in 1889, 25 years before the beginning of WWI but it’s an AU guys), especially since we got evidence of a Germany/English important conflict before. - The first time was when Charles Grey killed Siemens (Book of Murder)
It speaks for itself. - And there was also that moment in chapter 103…
“It’s England and Germany”, basically even the Shinigamis know there has been a rivalry going on for quite some time between the two countries (since it’s probably not the first time they’re reaping cases like this one), and that it could very well lauch a war, and Victoria is getting ready for this.
Proof she’s getting ready?
That’s the end of Weston arc, after Ciel told her about the Undertaker’s bizarre dolls and she looked very interested since bizarre dolls are basically living weapons doing nothing but tearing humans apart, looking for souls, and I’d call that rather useful for a war.
Also, remember Finny? Ciel said he went overseas only for one other case before (ch86), and Finny was a German kid experimented on by German scientists until Ciel and Sebastian came in and wrecked the laboratory. Oopsie, Germany lost another way to create super strong killing humans because of someone sent by Queen Victoria. If that’s not fishy, I don’t know what is.
So back to Ciel, he knows his place as the Queen’s watchdog and he does what he’s told to do, even it it annoys him.
However, he’s not stupid, which is why he followed her orders to bring back Sieglinde and also why he took the Sulin samples with them, but Sieglinde became insurance to him the moment he saved Wolfram (who wasn’t mandatory for the Queen) because that makes Sieglinde indebted to him in more ways than one.
After all, Ciel saved her life and saved Wolfram’s, so if Victoria decides to shut him up one day because he “knows too much”, well Sieglinde’s affection for him could play in his favor at that moment (by refusing to work for the Queen if Ciel dies), or even simpler, he could use the whole Witch arc story to ‘blackmail’ Victoria since he was just following her orders when he destroyed that part of the German army.
Basically, what’s important to remember is that Ciel won’t always be essential to Victoria, and he knows it, and also that Victoria certainly doesn’t trust him.
Whether she just doesn’t trust him with her war intentions or with everything, that I can’t say, but have you ever wondered why the Double Charles were watching Ciel at the end of the circus arc? (ch35) Because they’re the ones who told Victoria and she chose to make Book of Murder happen in retaliation. And you know what else is interesting? Ciel didn’t seem surprised that she knew about his lie.
So it seems kind of blatant that Ciel knows Victoria isn’t really trusting him, but he’s still playing his part of the game, using different pawns to be safer himself, like the king in chess.
-> Actually, there have always been two things Ciel was passionate about since chapter 1: his revenge and his work for the Queen.
Since I just proved above that Victoria was not trusting Ciel fully and that himself knows it, one can wonder to what point the two things are linked. It’s evident that Vincent and Rachel’s death were linked to Vincent’s job, but when you consider this (ch 104)…
with this (ch19)…
it could mean that maybe Ciel believes Victoria to be linked to his parents’ death and hence be the responsible party that had him sent to the cult for one month. She could be the main goal of his revenge.
There is actually not a lot of proof that links Victoria to the incident four years ago except for two things.
1) That flashback scene with Vincent in chapter 101.
Ciel is probably between 8 and 10 years old in that scene, but Vincent is already speaking of his death as if he’s expecting it soon. Basically, he’d been doing this job for a long time (since he was 15) when this scene happened so why suddenly speak of death if it’s just linked to the possibility of one of his investigations backfiring at him? Besides, don’t you think if Vincent thought that people from the Underworld were after him because of his job, he would settle the matter before it gets out of control (since he had the power to do so, with Tanaka, Diederich, Frances and probably other people)? And yet, it seems to be so serious that he warns Diederich beforehand just in case he doesn’t get out of it (another analysis of this scene).
The Phantomhives are useful pawns to Victoria unless they get out of control, so if somehow Vincent “knew too much” or was rebelling against her, it would be logical of Victoria to try eliminating him.
2) The second proof is the Undertaker. He dislikes the Queen greatly and he’s shown to be attached to the Phantomhive family in a weird way. Of course, he could just dislike her because her investigations were what brought death to Vincent, and maybe even Claudia, but…
(I fixed the text in the last bubble above because there was a mistranslation)
Yeah because if that’s what happened to Vincent, well it’s clearly a case of déjà vu for the mortician and that would indeed be boring for him to see Ciel meeting the same fate as his father (and his grandmother as well maybe, who knows? Claudia died young too).
And that’s pretty much all I’ve got on this subject for the moment. One last thing though:
“The best chance to counter your opponents is when they’re attacking you”, that’s actually what Ciel is doing in that last chapter. By making Sieglinde his insurance against the Queen, he’s countering any plans Victoria might have to kill him because “he knows too much”.
Ciel’s revenge is basically why he made that contract with Sebastian but it’s his revenge, and even Sebastian is just a mean in order to achieve it, which is why he will use Sieglinde as insurance if needs be, even though he’s got Sebastian.
I know that Sebastian has this knowing look on his face because he’s thinking Bath is a perfect place for the elderly statesmen and veterans funding the cult to meet up with Blavat under the pretense of going there for the hot springs…
… but I would prefer to think he has this knowing look on his face because he thinks it’s hilarious that the manga is finally visiting a hot spring resort so long after the first season of the anime did the same thing.
And he runs into Grell there… some chapters after Grell’s failed attempt to get William to Baden-Baden….
Poor(?) Grell doesn’t get to bathe or sweat it out with either of them. LOL!
They have the same german🇩🇪 voice actor...
I forgot one important character:
I was mostly on the fence for the Undertaker is Cedric K.R./Ciel's Grandfather theory, but today, I was skimming through the Book of Atlantic arc, and--
Here. this scene totally sold me on it.
No, it is not the matter of the mourning lockets, or Claudia's being one of them, or Ciel grabbing them and UT entrusting it to him just like that, or anything.
It's just that..... Ciel just looks so baby in his eyes??
Throughout the series, we have seen Ciel through various character's eyes. The "young master" (and prey) for Sebastian. The young master (and a child) for the servant gang at Phantomhive manor. from an outsider perspective, we have Arthur C.D. comparing Ciel to his own brother, later he thinks of him as a manipulative mastermind enjoying a game of real life murder with a demon butler by his side. His enemies think of him as a spoiled rich brat wrapped in cotton wool who has everything at his fingertips. etc. etc.
But here?
Like, this is probably the one single occasion we get a rare glimpse of UT's perspective, as we see his shock of dropping his precious chain of lockets. Fortunately, Ciel grabs it, and then.... we see Ciel through his eyes.
A baby.
Not even a child, but a baby. I am in literal tears. Look at him, big innocent baby eyes, round baby cheeks, this is the rarest of rarest, babiest baby Ciel I have ever seen in the whole series, even. I am crying. This is what my grandfather means when he says I never grow up in his eyes no matter how old I get. Oh, that's his precious grandson alright. I have no doubt about this at all.
Plus, I don't know how far R!Ciel is liked in the fandom, but,
This is some grandpa behavior too. Just laugh it off as your feral grandchild tries to take a huge bite off your arm.
And now, I wanna know how he sees Frances in this scene, cuz Frances always comes across as strict and proper (and kinda scary) to everyone. but maybe, he does still see her as a little girl who would run about around him, unaware what he really is.
And this is just heartbreaking. the way he starts crying the moment he sees Vincent's photo. Imagine being alive for eons, and living on and on only to watch your child die the most miserable death, burned down to the marrow of his bones. Damn.
(We are going to get this scene animated and I am not ready ;_;)
They have the same german🇩🇪 voice actor...
more silly modern headcanon
I saw this meme making rounds and I needed to participate in it. 😭💦💦💦
This is so fucking funny