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Top tips from the left on how to argue.
State your opinions, no need to explain your reasoning, as there probably is none, just state them like facts. And make sure you try and personally attack the other person. It will flesh out your post and show that most importantly, 👏YOU👏ARE👏THE👏VICTIM.
I would say for every 200 words throw in at least three insults. It will make you look intelligent, reasoned and will DEFINATELY change the other persons mind.
I feel like the transgender debate would be so much more interesting, productive and actually meaningful if the pro trans community actually came up with arguments rather than insults, pithy humour and generalised missing the point memes.
With that said, here's a meme to demonstrate;
Ok. I genuinely thought this was satire when i first saw it. Still amazed that it isn't.
How does this even work? Without completely erasing the definitions of homosexuality and heterosexuality? Surely if genitals have no bearing on your attraction to somebody, this automatically makes you pansexual (or bisexual as i like to use, given 2 genders, but we'll use pan for the purposes of getting across the point), and this means that everybody is pansexual. Or should be, in this genital blind fairytale.
Because your gender is not fixed right? It can change, it might even be a gender which changes regularly as it's definition, i.e gender fluid. You might be a person who identifies as male today but female tomorrow, and possibly any plethora of inbetween. Which means that the idea of a fixed sexuality is bogus, surely?
How can i claim to like men, and only men, when i don't even know who in front of me identifies as a man? Logic says that i cannot be heterosexual. Gential preferences being wrong says that i can not be heterosexual. I'm not twisting words, i'm really not, i'm just using simple logic.
I've yet to find an explantion of how this can make sense. I have found a lot of 'omg you transphobic bigot' comments, which honestly i just read as 'i don't have a clue, all i know is that i'm meant to blindly hate anyone with your opinion'.
If anyone has read my posts before you'll know that all i want is to actually create a dialogue about the logical points of the gender movement. I promise that my mind is open to change, like stephen crowder but without the dramatics.
If you can't back up your opinion you should probably question it.
Will be posting a few things as have been busy during lockdown.
Lassie x
So Katie Hopkins has allegedly been permantly banned from twitter. Whatever you think of her and her opinions this is censorship and a violation of freedom of speech. Surely we can't think this is progress?!
This person looks like a man, agreed?
If you are an advocate of transgenderism then this is plain stereotyping. If you believe that gender is not based on physical attributes then this person cannot be defined based on just this photo right?
But we can all agree that this person would pass for male in society?
Why?
Is it because men and woman have significant and obvious physical differences, that, without the intervention of modern science would be plain to see by anyone.
Pretty much.
Clearly the article states that this person is a trans man, and in all honesty, meeting Laith Ashley without knowledge of this, I would say the vast majority would assume Laith to be male. Is this wrong? Should we not assume Laith to be male? Should we still ask the pronouns before using one? Would this be considered misgendering Laith, or at least questioning what they may assume to be an obvious gender definition.
What I'm saying is, if I meet Laith for the first time with absolutely no knowledge of their biological sex or gender and I choose to ask them what pronouns they prefer, I honestly feel like I would offend them. For they clearly present as male, even as a avid transkeptic, this is true.
This is because Ashley 'passes' for male. And this is language I've picked up on the other side of the debate. Why does Ashley 'pass' for male? Haircut? Muscle build? Jawline?
We all know why, we all see it the second we look at him, as we do the second we look at any stranger in the street. Regardless of dress, makeup, age or race we all can determine the sex of a person at first glance, we dont even consciously make this definition, its like trying not to read a word in your language, you simple can't not understand it.
These physical definitions are real, they define and separate sex absolutely. But reader, I know what you're thinking. And this is where it gets good. Laith Ashley is biologically female and yet I admit I could not distinguish them from male at sight.
So we need to get this out the way. I have brown hair. If I dye it blonde my entire life it will still not make me a natural blonde. I may be considered to 'be blonde' by everyone that knows me, but it will never be a fact. Without intervention from modern technology, I would simply revert to being brunette.
As with Ashley, without the intervention of hormone therapy, the male appearance will simply diminish.
But, I hear you say, if this were the case, it would make him no less male if he appeared female.
So why go through it. If you are just as male in your natural body as you are with hormone replacement, why do it? If you know you are a man, then you're a man, why change anything?
I feel like trans people themselves are perpetuating the 'myth' that male and female have physical differences. By changing your body to suit what society sees as male and female you're actually encouraging the gender separation. Gender is not physical sex right?
This has been a bit of ramble I admit, I will try and formulate a bit more coherency for my next post which will be about the hypocrisy between sexuality and gender, for which I was going to use the above photo.
As always, as much as I welcome debate, I do not tolerate trolling or abuse. I would never do it to anyone else, I absolutely respect everybody's right to their own opinions on their own page. This is mine and I hope that you would either debate me in a respectful and adult manner, or move on. We all have a right to express our views.
Hope you're all managing the lockdown ok.
Lassie x
I'll try not to go on too much,
But here's a quick word about gender and sex. Let's assume they are different and completely unattached. (They're not, but go with me for a sec), surely your sex is no more a reputable fact than your height, weight, eye colour etc. A fixed fact that you cannot change. And sure, you might prefer people not to know how tall you are, or how much you weigh or what sex you are, bit unfortunately we all have eyes and we can see these things. Not disclosing your weight to everyone will not negate the fact that people will see that you're overweight, nor will the withholding of your sex will blind people to the fact of your biological reality. Unless that is you've afforded yourself enough surgery and hormone therapy to create an unnatural disguise.
But my real question is, why are we even negating sex? Your gender and sex are different right? Not connected, not even slightly influencing the other. So why would it be negative to state both?To say you're female sex, but identify as masculine gender?
Please someone explain this. Yes, we prefer to talk about gender, but I keep hearing that sex and gender are different. So why arent we talking about sex? Why are we ashamed about sex? When sex is an unchangeable fact, gender is a mere affectation??
As always, looking for debate, new answers, new questions, not trolling, not swearing, not abuse and internet stupidity.
The internet should be a forum for debate not hate. I'm looking for respectful debate.
Two Genders
Before you jup down my throat with both feet listen to my reasoning behind my opinion. People have been making the argument that there are more than two genders, some even saying there is an infininte number of them. I however disagree with this statement. I believe that the two genders are a man and a woman, why you ask? to answer this lets look at the common two that people say differ from male and female.
Genderfluidity and the rest of the gender spectrum are technically not their own individual gender but instead fluxuate between the two gender’s of male and female. Being bi gender fits into this category as well. Now the opposite such as being androgonous or having no gender can not in itself be called a gender. It is an oxymoron to place the lack of gender as a gender itself. finally for my last argument, regarding trans people.
Being trans is the act of trasnitioning from one gender to the other, meaning that you can be moving from male to female or female to male. Trans is not a gender but in fact the idea of changing into the opposite of your sex.
Now adays it seems that many people are creating their own gender’s especially here on tumblr and i find it exhausting. Some of the things that people consider a gender don’t have anything to do with gender nor do some even make sense. A good example of this is the “Two spirits” Idea. being that i am half cherokee i am aware that this term is used to refer to gay people and should not be considered a gender.
here are two examples of what i mean:
Vocigender: a gender that is weak or hollow
Vapogender: a gender that feels like smoke
Please tell me your opinion on my argument and feel free to ask me questions. Have lovely day everyone
Bottom line. If we accept that gender is anything an individual chooses it to be, then we negate an empirical worth. It is no more factual than your favourite colour, since it is not forensically identifiable. So in other words, your gender is a changeable personal identity, like your political affiliation or your fucking favourite colour. So if we're to accept this, surely gender is to be taken off ID, birth certificates, literally everything. Yeah? Only biological sex is logically relevant. But stating your biological sex on documents is not discrimination, because gender is totally different to sex...
Um no You’re not transgender you’re just a special snowflake Transgender isn’t a gender it’s going from male to female or female to male and is an adjective Transgender is scientifically proven Is genderfluid, gendervoid, mayonnaise gender, apache attack helicopter kin gender scientifically proven? Nope Just a mental disorder
Is your gender valid?
Did it exist before the internet was created? No? Then no It’s a phase No adult who isn’t an attention seeker identifies with these “genders”
I know that with coronavirus, gender politics is somewhat overshadowed, and good, even the snowflakes have realised their internal obsessed monologue of self hatred is not actually important in the grand scheme of things. Suddenly the question of what gender you are is secondary to self isolation and social distancing and I'm loving it.
The world doesnt give a shit if you identify as slightly more masculine than your appearance would imply. Coming out as trans is just a cry for attention, trust me, you'll realise this is in years to come. Dont embarrass yourself now and have to explain to people in 20 years about the phase you went through.
Gender and sex are the same. In the spirit of stephen crowder, please change my mind.
I do not tolerate online harrasment, bullying or trolling. I debate in a completely topic based and respectful way and am looking for intellectual debate not shit slinging.
Hope to speak to you
Lassie x
If we can't agree there's two genders, can we agree there's 2 sexes (discounting the extremely rare occurence of intersex). Now can we use sex as a marker rather than the subjective notion of gender?
I welcome arguement on these issues, seriously, I just don't tolerate trolling, both ways. Even if I dont agree with you I will debate you with respect.
#trans #transgender #twogenders
Update, there's two. You can feel an infinite amount of ways and still be one or the other. The thought that are more than these actually amplifies the stereotype of male and female. How about you can act and dress how the fuck you want, it doesn't make you 'zenogender' it makes you male or female, the rest is personality. It's like saying, this person is 6"0ft tall but they often feel like they can't reach stuff. OK, they're actually 5"5 and don't you dare suggest otherwise, you transphobic idiot.
This man is my hero.
Yay!
The current trans culture is akin to religion. If you're a fan of religion this analogy may not ring true to you so I apologise. I believe that many religious people do not truly believe there is a guy sat up in the clouds orchestrating all our lives. But rather revel in the supportive community thst the church offers.
The trans movement is not dissimilar to this. Despite all logical arguments there are people buying into the idea that being male or female is a feeling not a fact. But I'm sorry, if you have a penis, you are male. This is a fact. And to quote the great Ben Shapiro, 'Facts don't care about your feelings'.
As a 10 year old girl I dressed in jumpers and camo over dresses and makeup. If I had had access to the Internet and ideas about identity I possibly would have definately entertained the thought that I was in fact male. But I didn't, and I now have no issues over being female, albeit, with a slightly masculine sense of fashion.
Nowadays I would be consumed by the idea that I was male, that this was fine, and that the world was wrong. As a 10 year old, I'd have believed this in a heartbeat.
I asked a trans advocate friend why there are suddenly a massive amount of trans people now as opposed to 5 years ago. He replied that the modern inclusive atmosphere of trans people has led to many closeted trans people now feeling confident to be open about who they are.
I dont buy it. This isnt gay people finally being able to love who they want in the public eye, something we're rightfully accepting. This is people who are identifying as something they just realised they are, or have read something online that they identified with, despite the fact that it is so vague that it doesn't mean anything. 'Hey! Have you ever wanted to wear trousers over a skirt?, Well you're probably a man'.
And they say we're into gender norms.
I believe that people are finding a community that offers support and positivity for their insecurities, and unfortunately because this community is composed of other insecure individuals, the collective idea that we our subjective idea of who we are is in fact, reality.
Wouldn't that be nice. Wouldnt that be something worth believing in, negating all logic and reality. Well now you can! And let's drag the world into this self indulgent trip with us. And if they refuse? Theyre awful, transphobic people.
But where does this end? It ends in a world terrified of offense, terrified of truth and terrifed of the way others will think of us.
So, quite the same really? But in an upside down false way.
Don't lose your voice in this. We will get through it. Even if I have to be anonymous to talk about my opinion in fear of being ostracised by my family. And for those who disagree, I welcome healthy debate, I think it's the only way through this. I do not tolerate online bullying or trolling. Me voicing an opinion you do not agree with is not an example of this. Just as you voicing your opinion is not trolling me. We can disagree respectfully, and hopefully change some minds!
Sex and Gender are different!
So what's your sex?
How dare you ask that!!
