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lgbtcourse

Mod Nia is back

lgbtcourse

I had to get into college and stuff but that’s done now. I’m back to make arguments and stuff

#mod nia

Mod Nia is back

#mod nia

oestridae

callout post for @silverliveblogsthings

tw for pedophilia, sexual content! @silverliveblogsthings

please, please, reblog this after you’ve read it!

Keep reading

crowliveblogsthings

hey @silverliveblogsthings @silverliveblogsthings you deleted this from your server you fucking coward lmao

#callout post #reblog this please

lgbtcourse

lesbian does not mean attracted to vagina

lesbian means attracted to women and only women, and thats it.

stop reducing women to their genitals, and stop invalidating trans lesbians and their girlfriends.

transpolarized-deactivated20240

LOUDER!

bloodqueenmsk-deactivated201710

And I’m picking up this post again because, just the thought of “I’m attracted to vaginas” is so fucking weird?

Like do these transphobes walk up to other women, ask them to pull down their pants so that they can determine whether or not they’re attracted to that person? Somehow that seems just as ridiculous and disgusting as dudes basing their attraction to women on the size of their breasts or asses.

Which is because it is. Devaluing someone’s existence in order to reduce them to a walking genital is

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Ace lesbians exist too, btw So saying lesbians are attracted to vagina is fucking… stupid

rain-jay

Omg no it fucking isn’t. I’m sorry, I don’t care how fucking nice you are if you have a dick I’m sorry I cannot have a romantic relationship with you. Forcing me to like you despite the fact that I am literally disgusted and terrified of that thing between your legs is so fucking wrong its not even funny. You cannot guilt people into being attracted to you that isn’t how attraction works. Gender and sex are connected, gender stereotypes are a social construct. If you feel female fine, you feel female, I have no problem with that I just will not be in a romantic relationship with you, I just won’t. I have no problem being your friend, transgender people and are no different to any other person to me, they are just as intelligent and funny and nice etc. But just because I see you as just another potential friend does not mean I have an obligation to be sexually and romantically attracted to you.

Applying that logic to anyone is moronic, if you honestly believe your own words then fine, you MUST date the next person you see that isn’t biologically related to you. Oh are you a lesbian but the next person you saw was clearly a male? Tough shit because according to your rules you MUST date them or you’re being discriminatory. Or how about its a woman but she is 80 years old. Oh? Nope? Is she too old? Well that’s ageism. What about that person? Wait you don’t like how she looks? Oh you don’t like x hair colour or x eye colour or she just doesn’t look attractive to you? Oh well I guess you’re just a misogynistic piece of shit who is extremely shallow arent you because by YOUR OWN LOGIC, as a lesbian you MUST be attracted to the first person who is biologically a woman or identifies a woman or you’re a piece of shit. They’re a horrible person? They smoke and drink and you don’t like that? They’re a dog person and you’re a cat person but there is a cute girl over there that IS a cat person and you would have an easier time connecting with her? Tough shit, you’re going hurt that other person’s precious little feelings and force yourself into a relationship and make yourself miserable just so you can spare someone’s fragile ego from a blow? Is that how you want to live your life? No? Well then why should I or ANYONE ELSE have to live their life like that?

You need to be a female by gender AND biologically for me to be attracted to you, you need to be my type. That means having short fluffy hair or long silky hair. To be maternal and gentle but to also be responsible. You have to have big boobs and be taller than me and have soft hands that are warm and pleasant to hold. Big boobs and icy blue eyes or big dark eyes or gold eyes or gray eyes that change colour and to be ticklish and have a really funny or adorable laugh. I like girls who can lift me up and give me the biggest hugs ever. I like heavier girls, plus size girls (don’t get that confused with being overweight), I like soft curves and soft, pillowly tummies and I like how girls smell and you know what? I like their boobs and vaginas. If you do not meet that criteria I will not date you. It is not a crime to have a preference. I mean my brother would not date his girlfriend if sue had a penis because he doesn’t like that and would not be able to have a romantic relationship with her. Fucking, this is so simple. Stop bitching because you can’t get ass, I can’t either but you don’t see me being an asshole and claiming that everyone is transphobic and fucking sexist because they didn’t agree with something I said. If anything this post is extremely homophobic and in fact its funny that the only homophobia I have encountered is a bunch of 14 moronic little boys back in highschool who used to tell me that all girls liked dick deep down and that lesbians didn’t exist which would frustrate me so much and this post has frustrated me now. There’s loads of girls who don’t like me because I’m too cuddly or they don’t like my hair or eyes or just think I’m ugly. Yes it stings but its just apart of life and they clearly weren’t the right girl for me and I am confident that one day I will settle down with a gorgeous girl who loves everything about me and cannot find a single flaw at all just as I cannot find a flaw with her and we will love each other unconditionally just because I don’t have it now doesn’t mean I need to be a bitter arsehole and force everyone around me to comform to my idealology and make themselves miserable just to make me feel better about someone not liking me.

lgbtcourse

b*tch show me where i asked?

tygerofaera-deactivated20170501

I just know, and I don’t have to justify or prove it to you.

Information for all you anti-equal right community bigots on these tags.

h8keepers-archive

“anti-equal rights” what rights do aces not have though

lgbtcourse

why is the image link a pic of the gay pride flag lmao

tygerofaera-deactivated20170501

No lmao at all and that’s the Pride Flag it’s for EVERYone.

lgbtcourse

everyone?? sorry when was the GAY PRIDE FLAG supposed to be ALL INCLUSIVE

its for G A Y pride. gay! GAYYYNESS. NOTHING ELSE.

lgbtcourse

hey reminder that im trans and its awesome and im loving it

lgbtcourse

reblog this if youre also trans and loving it

tygerofaera-deactivated20170501

I just know, and I don’t have to justify or prove it to you.

Information for all you anti-equal right community bigots on these tags.

h8keepers-archive

“anti-equal rights” what rights do aces not have though

stfudiscoinfernoed-archive

I love how the op tagged this with radfem and twerf when this article has literally nothing to do with trans people or radical feminism.

Are they aware that terfs are not united on the whole “ace people aren’t inherently LGBT” thing? There are terfs on both sides.

tygerofaera-deactivated20170501

Spend some time actually fighting TERFs and you’ll see a whole lot of TERFs being acepgobic right along with poop like LGB and Drop the T and get the L out So it’s effing valid.

And to me there’s enough of TERF involvement to tag this.

Seriously you just effing went not all TERFs.

And I’m against them and all the effing bigots that sound just like them.

stfudiscoinfernoed-archive

Me: conflating terfs and “aphobes” is dangerous because it ignores that the people terfs actively hurt the most are trans women (regardless of whether they are ace or aro or not), that many people who don’t think cishet aces belong in the LGBT community are trans women, and that there are terfs who are ace inclusionists

You: how dare you defend terfs?!

Me (a known trans): …

tygerofaera-deactivated20170501

Yeah I’m out and known trans person too and been fighting TERF on here a long time so feel free to read my blog. And maybe, just maybe read who you’re trying to pull that crap with.

I know exactly what they do and that’s why I get effing really offended when folks in the equal rights community uses their tactics and words against a part of our community.

stfudiscoinfernoed-archive

That’s cool you don’t want to admit it’s gross to accuse me (and others) of defending terfs for simply pointing out they exist on the inclusionist side as well. Just trying to help you take out the trash but whatever.

You haven’t answered this when others have asked but seriously: what rights don’t aces and aros have? What systematic oppression do they face that is exclusively directed at them and doesn’t effect “allo” people? Why do y'all ignore how people who experience sexual attraction are often vilified and discriminated against (especially women and poc)?

Cis non-sga people have no business being in the LGBT community. They do not experience systematic oppression for their gender or sexuality.

tygerofaera-deactivated20170501

So you’re blasting on Pan and Demi now too? And Bi folks since they’re not SGA…wow.

See this is my point it never just stops at one target in the community.

lgbtcourse

if ur cis and u call urself bi and arent "sga" ur fucking gross and dont belong within 3828599385 feet of the lgbtpn community

hey reminder that im trans and its awesome and im loving it

markiplier

I needed to say this because I feel like respect has been forgotten.

hellagaypokemon

isn’t it funny how he thinks it’s his place to defend the guy who paid two men to hold a sign that said “death to all jews” on the internet but didn’t think it was his place to condemn the worst mass shooting in recent history?

I’m sorry Mark, but it’s one or the other. ether you believe it isn’t your place to speak on hate crimes against minorities that you aren’t a part of, or you don’t, but the fact that you chose this topic to brake your silence on and in this way speaks volumes.

“death to all jews” isn’t a joke (and you wanna talk “respect”? how about respecting jews? do jews not count as people in need of respect? cause lemme tell ya, “death to all jews” or “death to” any oppressed minority is beyond disrespectful), and the fact that he even for a second thought to do that tells us everything we need to know about him as a person, and the fact that you think it’s ok to even refer to it as a joke says a lot about you as well (and don’t think I didn’t notice the way you changed your voice, made it deeper, and used the volume and tone to intimidate us into not speaking out. hate to break it to ya but that only works irl).

jewish families have continued to be targeted by nazis. the end of the war never stopped them. anti-Jewish violence is seven times higher than in the 1990s, and 40% of racist violence is against Jews, despite them making up just 1% of the population.

and I’d also like to remind everyone of this

Mark wants to insist that no matter how bad a person someone is, we must treat them with respect, and basic human decency.

tell me Mark, do you think this man will treat us with the same respect that you’re demanding we treat him and those like him?

you say “we’re ether all people who deserve respect or we’re not” and let me make it clear if that image isn’t enough: he thinks we are not, and openly talks about genocide, as nonchalantly as we talk about removing mosquitoes from the planet.

you say “we must take the high road”, and claim it’s hard because it’s “lonely”.

I’m sorry Mark, but it isn’t “hard” because it’s “lonely”, it’s impossible because doing so will result in our deaths. (and btw? what you’re doing here isn’t “the high road” that’s taken a lot of courage to take. it is, in fact, incredibly cowardly)

it is extremely easy to blow us off when you aren’t the one being targeted, when you aren’t the one being dehumanized and treated like a pest in need of extermination.

you aren’t the one scared to go to your place of worship because today could be the day it’s bombed with you in it. you aren’t the one scared walking down the street because today could be the day a police officer decides you’re a threat. you aren’t the one scared to hold the hand of your significant other (let alone kiss) because today could not only be the day that you yourself and your partner are murdered, but that show of affection could be the thing that sets off someone to then go and massacre your community.

if we lived in a world without bigotry, particularly this kind of wildly unchecked racism, maybe. maybe this could be a statement to listen to, or at least think about.

but until men in power stop debating my humanity and wondering how to best rid me from existence, along with everyone else deemed less than human, this could not be more ignorant, silencing, and actively helpful for men like richard spencer.

hellagaypokemon

I want to reiterate something I was having a hard time putting into words last night.

the biggest problem I have with this, is how victim blaming it is.

he targets the entire message at the victims speaking out. he completely glossed over the actions of pewdiepie and focused the entire video on the message that “no matter how bad the person is, they deserve respect”

yet at no point did he call out bigots and tell them “no matter what you think of any minority, they are still human and deserving of respect”

he never addressed anyone besides those calling out bigotry.

and that’s where the problem really lies.

had this been a “hey nazis, jews are people too and deserving of respect, and hey jews nazis are still people too and deserving of respect” I’d have a lot less issue with this message. there’d still be some fucked up things in need of addressing, but at least then truly the intent would have been..at least there would have been an attempt at something good.

but instead this entire video is “hey jews, nazis are people too and deserving of respect” period, end of statement, all while using curse words and volume and clearly barely restrained anger (and everyone knows how violent and dangerous an angry man is).

that is the biggest reason this message is such a mess, and really shows where Mark’s actual morals lie.

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@markiplier you got anything to say for yourself? Doubtful, coward.

heemxng

@markiplier :/

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@markiplier

trilies

Hey @markiplier You say you’re not above criticism, right? Well, here’s some. Some words, please?

markiplier

Sure!

The quest against bigotry and hate is a goal that I actively encourage. However, in the fight I see people losing sight of what connects us all.

Because I didn’t talk about what you WANTED me to talk about my entire message must have been invalid, wandering, and I must also be a bigot. But just because it wasn’t what you were looking for doesn’t mean there wasn’t something to learn, on both sides.

I can see that you don’t like me and I’m fine with that. I truly am. And I’m fine if you hate Felix too. That’s the honest truth.

But my message wasn’t about liking everyone you disagree with. I only encourage you to see a fellow human for the entire person that they are.

The main point of my video was that it’s so easy to label people. Because a label is a convenient, easy-to-consume description of a person’s entire existence. And know that I’m not saying people CAN’T be a bigot or a racist or a nazi or a sexist, but understand that when you apply these labels recklessly you gloss over the entirety of who a person is.

You miss the true depth of who they are as a person.

And while that depth may be terrible and their actions abhorrent, if you disrespect the fact that they are just as human as you are you will never learn anything from them. And understand that I’m not saying, “learn and replicate exactly what they’ve done” but rather learn who YOU are in the face of such actions.

It does nothing to label Felix a nazi and demand that everyone agree with you. That doesn’t create dialogue, that doesn’t encourage people to learn, and that definitely doesn’t lead people to help.

Does that mean you have to like and support him? Hell no. Condemn his actions all day long but NEVER FORGET that we are all EQUAL. And a label does not summarize the entirety of who we are.

I know this wont seem satisfying as a proper response, considering I didn’t counter-point the evidence you provided, but I’m not arguing against you about those facts.

Yes, evil exists. Yes, bigotry exists. Yes, people are murdered for it every day.

And I’m fighting against it. Whether you believe that or not, I’m fighting the same fight as you. Even if you think I’m naive, not fighting hard enough, defending the wrong people, I will still encourage you all to show each other the respect you would want for yourselves.

So for those of you who’ve gotten to the end of this long post and feel that I’m still wrong and completely missed the point, that’s fine. If you think I’m a terrible person for my opinion of Felix, that’s fine too. I’m proud of what I’m doing with my life and I’ll continue to fight for good and the equality of all. And I’ll continue to learn.

Just remember that if we want the world to be truly equal, we must all treat each other with respect.

-Mark “Talks Too Much” Iplier

smallfrydoodles-deactivated2018

you did not absorb a single fucking thing anyone’s called you out on, have you

You’re not fighting the same fight, because you’re not fighting at all. You’re just reiterating the same tired “Love Everyone” rhetoric that does not work in this political climate, not with the hatred and bigotry aforementioned (and wonderfully put into perspective for you by @hellagaypokemon). It’s not reckless labelling to call people like Richard Spencer a nazi- because he’s a fucking nazi. What your friend Felix said was anti-semitic and contributes to the nazi presence thats prevalent right now.

Stop this hippy-dippy bullshit and listen when people are trying to talk to you and, instead of appearing high and mighty by taking the ‘Higher Road’, take one fucking second to admit you’re wrong.

hellagaypokemon

thank you for making me aware of this smallfry.

@markiplier, you continue to miss the point.

this isn’t about you “not talking about what we wanted you to talk about”, it’s what and HOW.

you can kumbaya all you like, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are people out there who want me dead, and instead of calling them out, you went on a rant about how we need to not label people, and be nicer, and that it’s us that need to remember “that we are all EQUAL”.

but you are right, I sure did learn some things from the content of this video.

because thing is, I did like you. I watched you daily for 3 years. the way I accessed youtube was by going to my URL bar and pressing “M” and enter, which took me to your page. to this day I can’t tell you what the youtube home page looks like, because for me your page WAS my home page.

so this isn’t the rant of someone who hates you. this is a (now former) fan calling you out on fucking up, just like I called you out on your lack of support after Pulse.

because you can talk about how we all need to see each other for “the entire person that they are” but at the end of the day, there’s still massive amounts of people who don’t see us as human, rather, they see us as a plague on society in need of purging.

and you completely ignored that. you ignored it during Pulse and you’re ignoring it now.

instead, you’re mad at us for labeling him.

but you wanna know who else calls Felix a nazi?

other nazis.

Antisemitic website the Daily Stormer has also given PewDiePie praise for Nazi imagery in his videos, writing:

“PewDiePie is /ourguy/.

This latest video is unapologetically full-Nazi.

The guy has 52 million subscribers, compared to the number 2 YouTuber that has 30 million. He is arguably the most watched person on the planet.

And he is pushing hardcore GTKRWN materials.

In this video, he calls out the Jews for killing Jesus, and points out several times that Hitler did nothing wrong.

At the very least, he is making the masses comfortable with our ideas.

I hope he keeps doing this – staying chill, I mean. Not going too far. I think he’s aware that he’s eventually going to get banned – if he wasn’t ready for that, he wouldn’t be calling out the Jews head-on like this.”

so you’ll have to excuse me if I call bullshit on your claim that we’re “recklessly” labeling him. WE weren’t the first ones to call him a nazi, but funny how you’re only mad at us for it.

we are not the ones in need of reminding of other’s humanity. we aren’t the ones making “death to all [severely oppressed minority]” “jokes”. we aren’t the ones being hailed by actual openly nazi people for our actions.

I also especially want to point out that no, “labeling” someone does not actually take away from who they are.

anyone who knows what they’re talking about knows bigots aren’t just one giant mass of hate mashed into human form. rapists aren’t creepy men who hide in alleys late at night and jump out and snatch you off the street.

they’re our teachers and doctors and brothers and fathers and politicians and favorite movie stars and internet personalities.

we all know bigots are multi-faceted, that’s why there’s so many of them. they’re seemingly nice people who are able to spread their hate in a way that’s palatable.

if they were just masses of hate in human form no one would like them or agree with them and they’d have died out years ago, but they haven’t, because they’re not.

“NEVER FORGET that we are all EQUAL” go tell that to the person who thinks it’s ok to say “death to all jews”. we aren’t the ones needing to be told that all humans are equal.

we aren’t the ones joking about genocide.

harumscarumcos

@markiplier since you keep on missing the entire point

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@markiplier

iron-sunrise

Where you at @markiplier >??? Speak up.

tootall-totell

I can’t wrap my head around people who call themselves lovers of history (as @markiplier has on several occasions, iirc), only to then turn around and do shit like this. Both the survivors of Hitler’s fascist regime and HITLER HIMSELF have made and continue to make clear what allowed these genocidal movements flourish. These things were 1.) apathy and tolerance from “nice folks” like you and 2.) giving them (Nazis) and their ideals ANY sort of platform. That is literally all it took, and that is literally all it will take this time around. (If you’re having trouble picturing what I’m getting at, try picturing those necromorphs from Dead Space. Y’know. EXCEPT IRL.)

Mark, you are literally on the wrong side of history right now, fanning the flames of fascism and promoting tolerance of people who call for GENOCIDE, and yet you dare to argue with others about “goodness.”

I am always the first to argue that concepts like “good” and “evil” are subjective. Looking at the world around us, it would be foolish to say otherwise. However, that subjectivity does not hinder our ability to more objectively analyze what certain metrics and criteria for “good” and “evil” will produce or lead to, whether on an individual level or on a larger, societal level. If “goodness” for me means planting seeds and watering them daily, one could reasonably argue that the results of my efforts will eventually be a garden. Common sense, science, and history also support this hypothesis. If “goodness” for you means selectively intimidating and scorning people who speak out against antisemitic rhetoric while using your social platform (which is supported by MILLIONS OF IMPRESSIONABLE PEOPLE) to prioritize the humanization of Nazis and encourage tolerance of their ideals, one could reasonably argue that the results of your efforts will be increased violence against the minorities you scorn and genocide. Common sense and history support this hypothesis. Even calling it a hypothesis at this point feels like an understatement. This is not conjecture, this is not “being mean” to you or “disliking” you as an individual. These are cold, hard facts, and the worst part is that regardless of whether or not you ever decide to pull your great big head out of your ass, these facts will continue to remain. People will be harmed and these violent movements will grow, all because of people like you. (And yes, I mean those words exactly as I typed them.)

On a final and more personal note, it creates a uniquely fiery anger in my chest to see the children of immigrants welcome and condone this kind of racist rhetoric. You can preach tolerance of white supremacist ideals all you want, but when that same violence you helped to flourish finally comes for you and your family, it will hit just as hard. People like you and I, children of brown and black immigrant parents with thick accents, may not be the first to suffer, but as history shows us, our relative privilege (whether it be our class, or racial ambiguity, or our inconspicuously “American” sounding accents) will only protect us for so long. Our attempts to assimilate into white supremacy through apathy and tolerance will not stop some Nazi scumbag from looking at one of our parents and deciding to end them, and that is one aspect of this whole situation that literally makes me sick to my stomach.

mioxenoblade

@markiplier you wanna talk about respect, the first step towards that is you respecting people and their humanity. If you can’t take a step back and critically analyze yourself, then honestly you’re no ally of ours. These aren’t just random trolls and shit, these are actual [now former] fans you’ve insulted, patronized and hurt. Honestly, when you criticize about people not seeing the “whole person,” it honestly just seems like you’re talking about yourself. And quite frankly, I wish I could go back in time and stop myself from ever watching a video of yours, because all you’ve done over the years is make me feel worse about myself.