Point number 1: How the fuck are weĀ taking the storyĀ for granted? How? To take something for granted means to not properly appreciate it. How are we failing to properly appreciate a story where two people in a loving relationship headed towards marriage break up because one of them leaves the other at the altar because a friend mentioned that said other seems to need to be miserable - an idea that got old the second time it was used, and is frankly offensive. Iāve been lucky enough not to suffer any traumatic events, but Iām sure the war veterans with PTSD would not enjoy being told that if theyāre ever happy or show signs of recovery, theyāll stop being successful at what they do.
Point 2: DC isĀ taking us for granted. Half the run so far has been dedicated to building towards something that we were told would happen in issue 50 since we knew what the cover of issue 50 was. The whole selling point of the issue was that Batman and Catwoman would get married. You spent half the run, and a huge press campaign, building to this point⦠and then it didnāt happen. A year of build up, all for nothing.
Point 3: We know youāreĀ not interested in a married Batman, DiDio. For some reason, you think that marriage and productivity are mutually exclusive. No, no. You think happiness and productivity are mutually exclusive. Apparently, the only way for me to get into university is if someone kicks me in the balls every time I feel happy about my life - otherwise, Iām going to be an absolute failure.
Point 4: We have read that storyĀ over and over.Ā āBatman canāt be happy, if he is heāll lose his drive to be Batmanā is not only bullshit (hi, the first four decades of Batmanās existence called), itās not only insulting, itās done. That was even the point of Kingās statement (I guess at this point itās more like a lie) that he wanted to do something different. And a Batman who comes closeĀ to living a normal life but has that chance taken away at the last moment? Have you heardĀ of Andrea Beaumont? How about Silver St Cloud? Or Talia, back in 1987?
Point 5: Happiness wouldnāt end Batman any more than digital clocks ended timekeeping.
Point 6: Putting oneās personal interests aside to help others is not the same as not being allowed to have any personal successes while helping others. And unless the writer can demonstrate how said personal interest is in conflict with the greater good (e.g.: a character whoās been wrongly convicted wants to break out of prison but has to stay there to get close to and get information from one of the villainās former allies), acting like they are is bad writing and sacrificing the personal interest for the greater good is not heroic. So go on, King and DiDio. HowĀ is Batmanās mission in conflict with his happiness? Oh wait, to show us that youād have to makeĀ Batman happy in order to put him in a situation where that might come in conflict with his mission.
Point 7: Thatās not what the heroās journey is. The heroās journey is a common narrative structure found throughout legends, epics, sagas, myths, and other stories. It goes like this: Main Character is living in Normal Life, when Evil Force shows up and causes problems that mean Normal Life is threatened; Main Character leaves Normal Life behind to defeat Evil Force; Main Character experiences many wonderful adventures and victories but then suffers a defeat at the hands of Evil Force, typically as a result of a flaw or choice of Main Character; Main Character has to confront their flaws and grow as a person while recovering from the defeat, then confront Evil Force again and emerge victorious; Main Character returns to Normal Life having grown as a person and achieved success and happiness.
In other words, the heroās journey is about protecting ordinary people, experiencing many adventures, overcoming defeats and internal and external adversity in order to grow as a person and find happiness, and succeeding.
That sounds like the opposite of what you want, DiDio. If this was the heroās journey, weād have Bane attacking Gotham, Bruce deciding to push his loved ones away to take on Bane himself, Bruce being defeated and, as he recovers, having to realize that he needsĀ loved ones, happiness, and recovery from his trauma in order to be an effective Batman, then reconnecting with his loved ones, strengthening his relationship with his family (including his wife Selina), and working to recover from his trauma (also a good opportunity to take a comprehensive look at mental health), and making a triumphant comeback to defeat Bane. That mightĀ still happen, but going by this statement, I doubt that.
Plus, if this arc was going to adhere to the heroās journey, Selina and Bruce would have gotten married before Bane attacked since the protagonists typically experience a huge victory that the narrative has been leading towards right before the Act Two Defeat, and in this case that victory would have been the wedding.
Point 8: Batman isĀ our greatest hero. Because heās a non-super who can hold his own alongside the Justice League by acknowledging, accepting, and overcoming, his vulnerabilities.Ā Heroes, especially superheroes, inspire us; we see ourselves in them, and we want to find a way to both be happy andĀ do good in the world. We donāt want to be told that itās impossible to have both, that we have to choose one or the other.
Point 9: You know what was an Elseworlds concept at some point? Superman having a son. How about this idea for an imaginary story: Dick quits being Robin and someone else takes on the mantle. Oh, what if Bruce had a biological son? What if Wonder Woman⦠uh, Wonder Woman fandom, help me out here, whatās a Wonder Woman concept that for a long time was seen as strictly alternate continuity but later became canon? The point is, just because a married Batman is an Elseworlds Batman doesnāt mean a married Batman hasĀ to be an Elseworlds Batman.
Point 10: You did those stories with Golden Age characters in what was by then an alternate continuity. You could haveĀ done those stories in the mainstream continuities with the characters as they are now and saw how that turned out, but nope. Also, since when hasĀ āweāve done those storiesā stopped DC from rehashing old concepts likeĀ āletās make this three-dimensional, sympathetic but morally grey female character with an interesting romantic relationship with a male character into a jealous villainous ex-girlfriendā orĀ āletās change Donna Troyās originā orĀ āletās make these fun and light-hearted characters dark and cynical insteadā orĀ āletās brutally murder this character for no reasonā orĀ āletās shoot this relationship down as soon as possibleā? Oh I get it, that logic only applies for goodĀ story ideas.
Point 11: Ah yes, because marriage equals death. A story with a married main character? Inconceivable!
Point 12: Hereās a challenge: Bruce and Selina try to find a compromise between vigilantism and thievery. Hereās another: Bruce and Selina trying to navigate married life. How about Selina adjusting to life at Wayne Manor? How about Bruce adjusting to having somebody in his life to this degree? How about Bruce trying to be supportive of Selina stealing because the aforementioned compromise was that she only steals from people they both agree are bad guys so now Bruce has no reason to feel guilty about not stopping her?
How about Bruce still fighting villainsĀ because he may be married but that doesnāt change the fact that heās still Batman?
How about Baneās latest scheme is to put Bruce in a situation where he has to choose between saving his family and saving Gotham?
How about Bruce re-evaluating how he fights crime as Batman and trying to change his approach? Thereās a very good chance that Selina would play a big role in that. How about Bruce taking a step back so we can show him as more of a mentor and a symbol?Ā How about Bruce making his mission more global again and recruiting more vigilantes from around the world?
Do you know where you wouldĀ have a hard time finding a challenge: keeping things exactly as they areĀ instead of letting the characters change and develop (and not just warp according to the writerās view of the themes in the characterās stories).
Point 13: And I canāt speak for others, but I would care about those next 49 issues, if half of the ones weād gotten so far hadnāt turned out to be a big con.
Point 14: affectsĀ not effects. If youāre going to be a dick, at least be a grammatically correct dick.
Point 15: Actually, a story isĀ judged by how a story is told. Thatās how stories work. Next youāre going to tell me that a meal isnāt judged by how it tastes but by the effect it has on future meals.
āThis spaghetti is delicious!ā
āToo soon to say, I canāt judge it until Iāve eaten something else and seen how the spaghetti affects it.ā
Point 16: There are a few ways this could turn out. Letās talk about how theyād affect future stories.
A: Batman and Catwoman donāt get married. This is treated as Batmanās choice to remain miserable in order to be Batman, even though 1/ he can be happy andĀ be Batman, 2/ thatās not how success works, 3/ thatās not how marriage works, 4/ thatās not how mental health issues work. Nothing changes.
B: Batman and Catwoman donāt get married, but towards the end Batman starts trying to deal with his mental health. This is then forgotten about in the next run because blah blah blah, Batman canāt be happy, blah blah. Blah blah blah. Blah. Nothing changes.
C: Batman and Catwoman almost get married, but Catwoman gets fridged. Something doesĀ change: even more people hate DC now. (Alternatively, they do get married, and Catwoman still gets fridged, causing people to hate DC).
D: Batman and Catwoman almost get married⦠but then the run ends and the next run starts by breaking them up off-screen (hey, Heart of Hush did that). Nothing changes.
E: Batman and Catwoman get married⦠in the final issue. Then thereās a reboot so they can be broken up in the next run. Nothing changes.
F: Batman and Catwoman get married, the story delves into how marriage affects the characters⦠and editorial manages to find a bad way to break them up. Their marriage is barely mentioned in the next run. Nothing changes.
So even by yourĀ fake logic, this is meh at best.
Point 14: The stories would be stronger if you did something to change the status quo for the characters for once in your career
Point 15: Awfully bold suggesting that this issue is the best possible Bat-Cat wedding story that could ever have been told. It sounds like you wereĀ the one to come up with this shitty-ass idea, you arrogant excuse for an editor who canāt take any sort of feedback.
Point 16: Whatās with theĀ ālowā-key reader-bashing throughout this? We are where your money comes from. Technically, weāre your bosses. This is like getting a job at Asda and then posting a post that just says
on Asdaās Facebook page (does Asda have a Facebook page? Iām guessing they do)
@thebatscomeouttoplay yeah, letās make that petition a thing