Replacing the Face of God

Maddie, invincible sword goddess

[nyancrimew]

hey everyone! i just came up with a neat new tone tag for when something you say is up to journalistic standards and would hold up to any kind of rigor it's /j for journalism! i hope this helps someone today 🥰

[tornprince]

I think I've made basically this same post before but. Occasionally on dating apps I'll see profiles that say they're looking for someone AFAB using that language specifically and you can tell they just mean someone who has a vagina and looks basically "womany" by their standards. And as a completely passing trans man who's had bottom surgery a part of me always wants to message them and when they inevitably aren't interested in me just be like "huh. But I'm AFAB that's what you wanted :/"

[d-7th]

going to university to study anything will make you hate social media because you just see random people w/ no credentials trying to be experts on something you actually studied and getting it all at least half wrong

and it has 102458392589235993 views and comments every time

[katrafiy]

"This blog supports intersex transfems regardless of agab!" (*proceeds to constantly equate being intersex with being afab and never once acknowledges intersex transfems who were assigned male at birth*)

I really wish this wasn't so blisteringly common on this terrible website

[interchromia]

I am not upset at the creator of these terms or people who like them, but the decision to make the new intersex terminology mullerian/wollffian is so unbelievably frustrating to me. Why did we just pick a random anatomical term to refer to people’s development?? And why do the “typical developmental pathways” not coincide with the anatomy these words describe? You can have “typical mullerian development” (external vulva and estrogen puberty) and literally not have internal mullerian structures. Like people with cAIS have typical mullerian development?? And people with PMDS, literally persistent mullerian duct syndrome, pretty much always have “typical wolffian development” unless they have another variation too.

[katrafiy]

Yeah these terms are extremely bioessentialist while also being extremely biologically illiterate. I do genuinely find it upsetting and concerning to see these terms popping up.

I am someone who was born with Persistent Mullerian Duct Syndrome and like you said I had a penis and testes and even if I hadn't been surgically altered still would have gone through "typical wollfian developent", because the presence or absence of wollfian/mullerian ducts have literally fuck all to do with how someone's body will develop / what kind of puberty they will experience.

The way our bodies develop is almost entirely a function of our endocrine systems and whether or not they are estrogen or testosterone dominant, and the cool thing about that is that we've actually been figuring out cool and exciting ways to manipulate the endocrine system to adjust the ways our bodies develop for thousands of years.

We genuinely don't need to adopt new versions of "immutable biological sex categories". What we need is for people to get a lot more comfortable with the idea that "biological sex" is also a social construct and, just as importantly, is not immutable.

[aexilary-deactivated20251021]

ASAB is a legal indicator and tells you nothing about someone's physiology

cis and trans are adjectives to describe the relationship of gender identity to ASAB and tells you nothing about someone's physiology

tme and tma are adjectives to describe how intended a target is for transmisogyny and tells you nothing about someone's physiology

intersex is a spectrum label of many traits considered atypical to the male-female enforced sex binary and tells you nothing about someone's physiology

[tpwrtrmnky]

The mere existence of intersex people continues to not be a meaningful counter to transfeminists talking about intracommunity transmisogyny, as transfeminized intersex people who've experienced transmisogyny in intersex spaces can attest to.

Turns out that a power dynamic that happens outside a demographic will usually also be replicated inside of it.

[tpwrtrmnky]

It's very obvious if you think about it for like five seconds and remember that intersex people are literally just people, not some mystical class of gender-fae carrying enlightened wisdom

Like, for example:

Suppose you've got a guy with XXY chromosomes. He's a man, and he likes women.

Now, that guy meets a gay guy who also has XXY chromosomes.

If the straight guy is homophobic to the gay guy, does it matter that they're both intersex?

[tpwrtrmnky]

But we can keep going

If, out of these two people with XXY, one of them transitions and the other immediately starts to misgender her, does his intersex status mean his transphobia here is in any way lessened?

It clearly isn't. If he invokes his intersex status to claim that he's got a deeper understanding of gender and therefore his transphobia is okay, he's clearly full of shit.

In the same way, if this guy clarifies that he doesn't care about trans people in general, he just hates trans women in particular, then he's being transmisogynistic.

This does not change if the transmisogynistic intersex cis man is instead a transmisogynistic intersex trans man. The transmisogyny is still being done by someone who won't be harmed by transmisogyny in return.

Do you understand it yet?

[tpwrtrmnky]

remember the like tiny sliver of time when there was a real push to just say "people who have a uterus" or "people with testicles" or whatever when that was what you meant, and then faux-progressives who were willing to cave to terfism to avoid saying icky anatomy words ruined it with "AFAB-bodied"

[tpwrtrmnky]

literally just say dick when you mean dick. feeling uncomfortable with body parts and getting all euphemistic about it is conservatism by default.

[tpwrtrmnky]

Through the magic of specifying, for instance, "if you have a cock and balls then you may sometimes struggle with accidentally squeezing them in painful ways when sitting down" you also account for someone who got rid of her cock and balls surgically. Because get this. She No Longer Has That Anatomy. She is now outside the group defined as "people with cocks and balls".

[tpwrtrmnky]

On the other hand, instead of trying to contrive some anatomical grouping when what you really want to say is "trans women and cis men" without owning up to how awkward it is that you're making that particular grouping of identities, through the magic of introspection, you can think about why you're so desperate to do that!

[tpwrtrmnky]

#this applies to 'TMA/TME' bullshit

So the use of TMA/TME is about the relationship between the individual and the social structure of transmisogyny, and the main similarity they have to AGAB language is that people who fucking refuse to understand what they actually refer to keep mangling the definition and then making it a problem for the people using them correctly.

Like AGAB, TMA/TME do not refer to the individual's biology as they describe an imposition on the individual by society. In fact, by design, TMA/TME should be harder to ascribe bioessentialism to because "TME" includes both cis women and cis men.

Similarly, TMA/TME can't be expressed more succinctly by reference to anatomy. Inside the TMA demographic there are both penis havers and vagina havers. Inside the TME demographic there are also penis havers and vagina havers.

In fact, the blame for both of these terminologies' controversy rests squarely on the same group of people: Bioessentialists who desperately want "biological female" to be a coherent social class but are too cowardly to openly declare their allegiance with TERFs.

Those are the ones who've slowly pushed "Gender assigned at birth" from a social process to a description of biology, and those are the ones who scream, cry and throw up every time trans women say they're being mistreated particularly badly in society, even by trans standards.

[tpwrtrmnky]

remember the like tiny sliver of time when there was a real push to just say "people who have a uterus" or "people with testicles" or whatever when that was what you meant, and then faux-progressives who were willing to cave to terfism to avoid saying icky anatomy words ruined it with "AFAB-bodied"

[tpwrtrmnky]

literally just say dick when you mean dick. feeling uncomfortable with body parts and getting all euphemistic about it is conservatism by default.

[tpwrtrmnky]

Through the magic of specifying, for instance, "if you have a cock and balls then you may sometimes struggle with accidentally squeezing them in painful ways when sitting down" you also account for someone who got rid of her cock and balls surgically. Because get this. She No Longer Has That Anatomy. She is now outside the group defined as "people with cocks and balls".

[tpwrtrmnky]

On the other hand, instead of trying to contrive some anatomical grouping when what you really want to say is "trans women and cis men" without owning up to how awkward it is that you're making that particular grouping of identities, through the magic of introspection, you can think about why you're so desperate to do that!

[tpwrtrmnky]

#this applies to 'TMA/TME' bullshit

So the use of TMA/TME is about the relationship between the individual and the social structure of transmisogyny, and the main similarity they have to AGAB language is that people who fucking refuse to understand what they actually refer to keep mangling the definition and then making it a problem for the people using them correctly.

Like AGAB, TMA/TME do not refer to the individual's biology as they describe an imposition on the individual by society. In fact, by design, TMA/TME should be harder to ascribe bioessentialism to because "TME" includes both cis women and cis men.

Similarly, TMA/TME can't be expressed more succinctly by reference to anatomy. Inside the TMA demographic there are both penis havers and vagina havers. Inside the TME demographic there are also penis havers and vagina havers.

In fact, the blame for both of these terminologies' controversy rests squarely on the same group of people: Bioessentialists who desperately want "biological female" to be a coherent social class but are too cowardly to openly declare their allegiance with TERFs.

Those are the ones who've slowly pushed "Gender assigned at birth" from a social process to a description of biology, and those are the ones who scream, cry and throw up every time trans women say they're being mistreated particularly badly in society, even by trans standards.

[katrafiy]

Cannot believe that there are people on this website who are actually, seriously, with their whole chest, going around calling trans women """altered wolffipathians""" as if that's not obscenely, gratuitously transphobic.

According to the person who coined the term, in a post literally from 10 days ago, "Wolffipathian is a term to mean 'the male sex'" and I'm sorry but no you don't actually get to tell trans women that the category they belong to is "altered male". That's a non-starter; throw it all away and try the fuck again.

[katrafiy]

Cannot believe that there are people on this website who are actually, seriously, with their whole chest, going around calling trans women """altered wolffipathians""" as if that's not obscenely, gratuitously transphobic.

According to the person who coined the term, in a post literally from 10 days ago, "Wolffipathian is a term to mean 'the male sex'" and I'm sorry but no you don't actually get to tell trans women that the category they belong to is "altered male". That's a non-starter; throw it all away and try the fuck again.

[katrafiy]

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[katrafiy]

I'm sure it will come as no great surprise to anyone that about 15 minutes into this the host was talking about how trans women are being brainwashed by baeddels, and ended with a cishet woman brought on as a guest who said that baeddels call trans men incels but really they want to call trans men eunuchs, to which the host responded saying "I wouldn't call incel a slur, but it's definitely the politically correct version of calling them a slur.

I also really got a kick out of this part in the middle where another guest started talking about how the expectation that trans men should ever have to listen to trans women (or any other women) is misandry, though my favorite part had to be right near the very beginning where the host said, and this is a direct quote, "bell hooks, who is the person I believe that coined the term intersectionality".

Just a hilariously pathetic display from beginning to end.

[katrafiy]

friendly reminder that it doesn't mean that a trans woman secretly "hates males" just because she asserts to you that she isn't one.

[katrafiy]

male socialization was when they surrounded me in the school locker room and carried me kicking and screaming back to the stalls so everyone else could pretend to not know what was happening.

male socialization was when i kept trying to use a piece of twine in order to self castrate when i was 11.

male socialization was when I would secretly take my mother's women's multivitamins because maybe that's what I needed to become a girl.

male socialization was when I would ask my older sister if I could pleasd sleep in her room whenever she was going to be gone for trips or sleepovers at her friend's place.

male socialization was when I broke down crying in front of my parents and school counselor because I thought that I was gay (derogatory) because I wanted so badly to be a girl.

male socialization was when I prayed for 3000 nights to please, god, please, please let me wake up as a girl i'll do anything please

Any analysis that says "cis men do/experience X and therefore so do trans women", that insists on erasing and flattening trans women's socialization into the category of "male socialization" is frankly juvenile and does not hold up to scrutiny. it's reductive, innacurate, bioessentialist nonsense.

[parkchanwoohoo]

Weeping at this. Frighteningly similar to how I sound

[xenasaur]

I wonder how many of y'all have heard of prisencolinensinainciusol

[kira-serialfaggot]

Never heard of it. Please tell me more

[oogziepie]

There is not a single word in this song. There is no language or listener to whom it makes sense.

[glassmuncher]

The context behind this song is amazing. Basically, at the time Italy was going through a big interest in American rock-and-roll music (sort of like a Kpop craze).

Enter Adriano Celentano: a top Italian rockstar. Effortlessly talented, deservedly popular, and extremely funny. Celentano decides to use his talent for evil. He composes a kind of a parody: a song that mimics English but is entirely gobbledegook, improvised to such an earworm you will find yourself humming it while doing laundry 5 years from now.

He performs it on Italian TV. It's an instant hit. Tops all the charts in Italy. And France. And Germany. And Belgium. Everyone goes nuts. It's a great comedy of American rock-and-roll. And of music itself.

"I like American slang — which, for a singer, is much easier to sing than Italian — I thought that I would write a song which would only have as its theme the inability to communicate. And to do this, I had to write a song where the lyrics didn't mean anything." -- Celentano, age 74

[plaidos]

i’ll be the one to say it: there’s no such thing as “afab trans women”. if you were assigned female at birth and you “relate to trans women”: guess what. that’s because we’re human beings. to say “i was assigned female at birth, and identify as a woman, but im not a cis woman, i identify as a trans woman” you are inherently saying “trans women are a different gender to cis women”. being intersex does also not entitle people assigned female at birth to identify as trans women; there are, in fact, actual intersex trans women, assigned male at birth, who are justifiably fucking peeved at their experiences & language being co-opted by people who fundamentally aren’t confined by the limitations of transmisogyny.

[plaidos]

a “trans woman” is a woman who was assigned male at birth. you can “feel like a woman in a trans way” but you’re gonna have to come up with some other label because it is honestly the oldest & most simplest form of transmisogyny to suggest that trans women are this “totally different gender” to cis women. If you were assigned female at birth and identify as a trans woman, you are just a cis woman. You identify as a woman, the “cis/trans” part just describes whether or not it was the gender you were assigned at birth. These are the fucking basic building blocks of the trans community and trans girls are not going to cede to this obviously transmisogynistic bullshit.