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Iâm now actually at the point where iâm thanking the good Lord that framework Fitz is evil because this arc is so pointless and boring and he is its only saving grace - well, and Trip.
What the hell is the point in going over all this old ground? Its not progressing anything. I canât believe this is how theyâve chosen to end the series, probably forever.
Seriously, is anyone enjoying this?
Sheâs an asshole.
lil_henstridge: It. Finally. Happened. đ #FitzGotHisMonkey (x)
I would like to state for the record that I SAW THIS HAPPEN. I was right outside the photo booth curtain in line for my op when they brought the monkey in. Basically it sat on Iainâs shoulder and sorta beat him over the head with the empty plastic bottle. He was kinda like âuh helpâ but still looked totally thrilled. When they monkeyâs handler took him back, both Iain and Liz gave it scratches and they were all smiles. Honestly I feel blessed to have witnessed this.
I mean, thatâs a difficult subject with Scotland and Britain, but I am British, technically.
Iain de Caestecker, when an interviewer says Fitzsimmons were originally to be two British characters.Â
(Iain, go on, talk Scottish politics and identity to me allllllll daaaaaay.)
@iain_decaestecker: @ews.nfp (x)
Chicago Comic & Entertainment Expo  ÂČâ°Âčâ· âł Caestridge: â Sheâs also an asshole.â
Iain talks about The Doctor and Madame Hydra
Ok but theres a part of me here thats sad because it kind of implies Fitzsimmons have no passion. Weâve seen more kisses between Fitz and his abuser than we have between Fitz and his girlfriend and that makes me sad.
@popsicle86 Except for the part where he says sheâs manipulated everything to fit her wishes, I would not take seriously anything Iain says! He was clearly joking when he said it was pure passion. Thatâs how I take it!
I agree @elivent, a lot of that is just Iainâs sense of humour. Although their kissing scenes definitely have been more intense than a lot of the FS ones (not including 3x17 & 3x18) which makes sense in terms of whatâs actually going on.. If you think about it these are Aidaâs first experiences so they probably are going to be about passion for her and sheâs obviously programmed him to reciprocate that.
Ugh, poor Fitz. Iain confirming that this is part of her manipulation makes me feel sick tbh. Especially as I just know theyâre not going to deal with the fact that this is not love but violence.
Did anyone record the whole Iain and Elizabeth panel? I missed it :( :( :(
Please someone put it on youtube or send a link or something. Pretty please.
Philosophy in the Framework
So I really want to have a philosophical discussion with the writers over what exactly theyâre doing with all these characters (but mostly Fitz).
Amidst all the discussion about brainwashing and manipulation, I keep coming back to the interview with Iain where he used the phrase tabula rasa and then the history nerd in me came out. I think one of the reasons I am so distressed (to put it mildly) by this plot is because I donât really know what story the writers are trying to tell. All this talk about being âmore than our programmingâ and a âblank slateâ carry with them some pretty heavy questions about human nature. The connotations of one side of the debate over the other can be really unsettling in the context of these characters who we love so much.Â
For a comic book show, AoS just got really deep when they jumped into the Framework. Theyâre throwing out questions that philosophers have been debating FOREVER.
On one side you have John Locke, who famous argued that a personâs entire identity is defined by their experiences because theyâre born blank (tabula rasa).Â
On the other side you have Descartes who stands by Platoâs argument that people are all born with a soul and an innate nature.
If you stand with Lockeâs argument, then Framework Fitz is completely guiltless. If you stand by Descartes, then - brainwashing or not - itâs still super disturbing. I donât really know where Jemmaâs âweâre more than our programmingâ speech falls in, but I feel like itâs more Descartes, which would certainly explain her steadfast belief that Fitz wouldnât shoot Agnes and subsequent horror.Â
If this all makes your head hurt, enter Immauel Kant who finds a position sort of in the middle. He believed in a priori knowledge (knowledge independent of experiences), but that that knowledge needs to somehow be activated. These âcategories of knowledgeâ that you have would forever remain empty and meaningless unless they are filled with sensory content gained through experience.Â
Now I know this is all further complicated because the Framework is a virtual world and I canât even pretend to understand how it works, but that screams Framework Fitz to me. He is in there!  He saw Jemma, he heard Jemma. We all know what sensory content that leaves Jemma to fill him withâŠ
(Gosh, now I kind of want to write a fic about it.  Smell could be the sandwichâŠ)
Anyway, I hadnât seen a lot of philosophical discussion about the Framework and what has happened in it (probably because weâre all in shock and mourning and if youâre like me you just really donât get the Framework and how it even works). Iâm curious to hear thoughts though. Was Fitz a blank slate for AIDA to program how she wanted? Was his innate nature and capacity to love a part of him from the start that was later corrupted? Is it in there waiting to be activated? Or was it already activated in all the wrong ways? I know the writers arenât going to answer all these questions so I desperately want to hear other opinions and thoughts on how it all works!
This is really whatâs interesting to me about the framework because its right in my wheelhouse as a sociology student. I do hate the framework storyline but putting that aside I do like how its thinking about nature vs. nurture.
We know the answer to this question because we know that human behaviour is completely socialised. Locke was 100% right about this. Descartes and Jemma are wrong.
Hereâs how we know this: feral children.
You know the jungle book? That was based on an actual real story about two sister who were found living with Wolves in a forest somewhere. They were called Amala and Kamala. They couldnât talk. They couldnât learn to talk either because they were about 10 and 12 by the time they were found. They behaved like Wolves because they were socialised by Wolves. They even had physical characteristics like Wolves. Their eyes shown yellow in the dark like a dogâs does, they had sharp jaws and sharper teeth than normal kids. They also both died very young for no apparent reason. They just lived as long as canines do.
Although very rare, there are a handful of cases like this. I remember reading another one about a girl who had been raised completely in isolation because her mother was very mentally unwell. She had basically just kept her in a room since she was born. Iâve forgotten this girlâs name, but anyway, something really remarkable was observed in her - she didnât know how to chew her food. She had just never seen anyone else eat, so she had never learned to chew. That blew my mind when I read that. You would think weâd just know that right? We donât. We learn it. She also had quite a number of other things she would do - like smear her âhuman wasteâ all over herself, and she had no concept of personal space, and she would masterbate with everything and in front of people. Again, I donât think she could talk. She was discovered too late, in her tweens I think. If these kids are found young enough then they can grow up fairly normally but after a certain age its too late.
These are the two cases I can best recall without looking it up but you should have a read cause its so interesting. This is what we would all be like without socialisation.
Plus, you only have to look at different cultures to see how much of what we are is because of what we learn from around us.
That said, there is some evidence of innate nature in case studies of identical twins who were raised apart. Its remarkable how often they turn out to be almost replicas of each other. They make the same choices, often have the same occupations, like the same things. Marry people with the same name etc. Its another one to look up. I remember seeing something about two firefighter brothers in the US who had a crazy story like this.
Also, there is obviously some kind of temperaments we just have through nature. Just to use a personal example, my sister and I were raised by a single mother, however my sister is so like my father in the way she acts sometimes. She couldnât have learned that, really, because he wasnât around. It has to have been innate to some extent.
As a sociology student, I really tend to favour the nurture explanation and frankly the evidence there is far more compelling and if I had to put a number on it iâd say people are 90% nurture and 10% nature.
But I do not except that as an excuse to say weâre not responsible. Socialisation is ubiquitous, it comes from everywhere and its lifelong. We might be dealt a crappy hand during our primary socialisation (family) like Ward was or possibly framework Fitz was but thatâs no excuse. Millions of people go through much worse and donât turn into sociopaths. We still make choices. If having a shit upbring made you into a killer than that would have to be universally true, but just look at Wardâs brother Thomas - he was no bad guy.
Just to complicate this even further, I believe there is some recent neurological findings that really call into question the extent to which anyone can be said to be responsible for their behaviour. Iâm too dumb to understand this (and iâm cynical about it) but basically scientists have somehow mapped that your brain sends a signal for you to do something before youâve decided to do it - or before you send a signal to it. There is a Tedtalks about it. Now if I understood it right, that really would mean that none of us can be legitimately said to be making our own choices - which carries huge implications for responsibility. Iâve simplified it right down, and like I said, iâm too dumb to get it but the Tedtalks explains it well. Sorry, to say iâve also forgotten the name of that.
I genuinely donât understand why the AOS writers want to reset everything back to season one in the framework. Whatâs the point in any of this? Its doing nothing to progress the actually story as far as I can tell.
I couldnât care less about Wardâs hero arc (which seems to be what this is mostly in aid of) Iâm disappointed by it, in fact, he was much better as a full blown baddie. I have no need to see Daisy forgive him or whatever is going to happen to please âSkyewardâ stans.
They have effectively killed off Fitz to do this as well. Basically with only 6 episodes left (probably ever) they have decided to break up FitzSimmons and write out one of the showâs most loved characters. Yeah, yeah its fun to see the nicest guy ever switch roles to the big bad bla bla bla. But honestly its also just a kick in the face to those of us who have stuck with AOS because they are invested in his character and in FitzSimmons. How is this a reward for fans? How is it rewarding us to see Fitz violated this way by AIDA and to see Jemma lose him? Am I missing something?
Not to mention what they have done to May. I have a seriously hard time believing that May could ever go along with what Hydra is doing when the incident with the inhuman girl happened well into her adulthood. Its a little more viable that Fitz is so different since whatever happened probably occured in childhood when he was still developing, but I donât buy this at all for May.
The only positive here is that BJ is back, and possibly Nick and Adrianne too. But, again, iâd preferred to see Huntingbird back in the actual series.
I just donât see the point in this arc. I want to watch SHIELD not make believe land.
Itâs not so much about what happens inside the framework as it is how it effects the real world later. and the effect it has on the agents.
Agree with @ohifonlyx33. And itâs also about how Radcliffe thinks what should be in an âidealâ world and how everyone would be affected if their biggest regret was taken away. I think itâs an interesting ethical question because I think weâve all wondered that sort of thing: what would happen if we went back in time and changed the past? How would that alter your life? How do our experiences shape the people we are and the events that occur? Iâm going to admit, I donât know how that leads to AIDA controlling Fitz. I think that was all in AIDAâs twisted mindset when she added her preferences into the framework. And it IS unpleasant to watch, definitely. As with May, her helping Hydra seems to be her way for atoning what happened with Katya in Cambridge, by helping to rid the world of inhumans. And Iâll be honest, I really like Brett Dalton as an actor and Iâm happy to see him on screen again, whether Ward could be redeemed or not (he never will, btw). It seems like the AOS writers have been planning this for a while but it comes with the added bonus of season 1 flashbacks, especially when itâs not certain if aos is going to be renewed or not. So I do see the point, but I guess it doesnât sit well with some viewers.
@nerdlove4thewin @ohifonlyx33
I get the premise. Iâm a sociology student, I 100% understand the power of socialisation. I donât think its really true to say people have an innate nature - we are programmed and shaped by what goes on around us. I think Jemma was wrong when she said that to Fitz - well, all the evidence tells us sheâs wrong.
Like I said, since we can assume whatever changed Fitz occured during his development then it makes sense for him to be a different person. But as a fully developed adult, who presumably up until Bahrain lead almost exactly the same life (sans Coulson), I find it way too far fetched that May would be Hydra. Sheâs an intelligent woman. No intelligent person would let one bad apple cloud their perception of every person like them.
I also like Brett as an actor, I really like him as a human being. Iâm not saying that Iâm not glad to see him. Iâm saying I donât think this is a good arc for him. He was so much better as a bad guy. I found season one Ward absolutely tedious before he changed. It was the best thing they could of done with him, and I never thought there was any chemistry between Brett and Chloe until that moment either. Whatâs the point in taking it backwards to a place that was much less interesting? He was a better character as a bad guy. He should still be that character imo.
Hereâs the thing; I donât have a problem with them doing the whole AU thing for 2 or 3 episodes, but it seems like its going on for the rest of the season. 6 or 7 episodes they have decided to go to make-believe land instead of telling the actual story we have all been following for 4 years. They have decided to do this by taking away Fitz and May as our heroes, and probably Mack as welll depending on how long it takes for him to remember. They have also decided to sacrifice FitzSimmons, YoyoMack and Philinda so they can revisit Skyeward. That sucks.
Its obvious that its going to lead to some kind of ramifications in the real world, but this could easily have been achieved without spending all of the remaining episodes in fantasy land. This ârewardâ to fans depends on FitzSimmons being ripped apart from each other yet again - after a season in which they have barely interacted despite finally being together and despite Jed and Mo telling us that their relationship would be a reward for fans. Honestly, theyâre entitled to do what they want with their story, but why did they tell us that blatant lie? Its just cruel.
To be honest, its no great mystery to me that theyâre losing ratings. Iâve certainly found this season to difficult to enjoy.
There are still 6 or 7 episodes left, please donât write of this arc because you donât like one episode into it.
Fitzsimmons will be together this arc can be seen as a love conquers all type thing for the two, hell the great reward to Fitzsimmons fans could be that the two of them decide to leave S.H.I.E.L.D and get married and work as only consultant for their old team.
Skyeward wonât happen because Daisy will never get over what real world Ward did (and because she is still in love with Lincoln), but being the person she is she wonât treat someone (no matter how much they look like her former stalker) badly for things they technically havenât done; this storyline with Ward and Daisy is more about closure for Daisy then it is about making Ward the good guy again.
Philinda and Yoyomack will also be endgame again the Framework will probably be a place of closure for Coulson. May and Mack.
Mayâs closure will be finally acknowledging that she could never truly save Katya, that little girl was always destined to go down that dark path.
Coulson will come to the realisation that he was always destined to be with S.H.I.E.L.D and that being apart of it allowed him to do some real good.
And Mack will have closure for his daughter, that he was able (if only temporary) to watch his daughter grow and know that he was a good father this experience could be what drives him to start a family again. He has been toeing that line between family and S.H.I.E.L.D since he lost his daughter, so he may be able to finally move past this (not saying he would want to replace his daughter, just that he would feel ready to  want to be a father again).
So yeah please donât write off this arc just yet, itâs still early and everything that happens could just make the team stronger once they get back to the real world.
@ibulldesigns Iâm so sorry, I only just saw this reply. I didnât mean to ignore you. I appreciate the reply.
Can I be honest though? I see no chance in this ending remotely happily for FitzSimmons. I see every chance of this destroying Fitz. I wonât be surprised if this ends with him leaving alone. How can they possibly go from this to happy again? I know its not really Fitz etc. but since our Fitz is a walking bleeding heart, who normally canât bring himself to hold a gun on someone without shaking, the memory of shooting Agnes - even if she wasnât real either - will tear him apart. And above that, heâs also being violated by AIDA on a whole other level. She has literally abducted him, drugged him and brainwashed him in large part, it seems, so she can have a relationship with him. If this were happening to his real body and not his avatar that would be called rape. We donât know how Fitz is going to feel about this when he wakes up, but Iâm not sure how someone could go from that to being happy with his girlfriend again.
As for Mack, whatâs been done to him by AIDA is the cruelest thing imaginable. Heâs going to lose his child again. That wonât be closure. It will be torture. It will be much worse, in fact, than the first time he lost her. Maybe Yoyo will be able to comfort him, or maybe like Fitz heâll be utterly destroyed. I know what sounds most likely to me. Heâs another one I canât see sticking around.
I donât expect Daisy to decide she wants to be with Ward for a second. I fully expect her to soften towards him and probably kiss him or something just to say goodbye to this version of him, who sheâs grateful to. Just to give that whole relationship closure. She loves Lincoln, she hates Ward. I donât think that will ever change but since sheâs a good person, perhaps she will give this Ward something to hold on to before the framework is destroyed or whatever is going to happen.
May might come out of this better off, sure. Or she might also be horrified by being Hydra in the framework. That one is tough to call.
Sorry but I hate this storyline. I hate AUs in general. I donât much see the point in them, much less when they destroy half the characters. But It looks like episode 20 will be the end of the framework so at least thatâs something.
I think Skye in the framework was supposed to be a mere avatar to fit AIDA's scenario. Daisy hacked her way in and took her body, when Daisy's mind wasn't even supposed to be there in the first place. As gross as it sounds, AIDA created her (along with Simmons before she took over, Ward, Hope, the girl from Bahrain, and the people who aren't even real) to simply manipulate with May & co's minds. There are no regrets involved for them. They're basically sculpted to be props.
I know there are no regrets on her part, but isnât whatâs going on in the framework basically an algorithm of the scenario that happens when May didnât kill the girl in Bahrain, Mack didnât lose Hope, Coulson didnât become SHIELD, Mace became a real hero and whatever it is that has happened to Fitz happens? (Plus some obvious tinkering by AIDA) The way Iâm understanding it is that they seem to be saying Skye became Hydra because thatâs what the calculations show in this algorithm. Just as they show Jemma dead.
Maybe thatâs not what it is, and iâm totally misunderstanding this.
Or weâll find out Skye being Hydra is part of AIDAâs tinkering or that she was undercover. I just donât see any way she could genuinely be Hydra otherwise.
In the Framework, Ward is in the resistance but Skye isnât? Is that right?
How on earth could she ever be Hydra?
This is presumably Skye who started out the same way - as a member of the Rising Tide, who probably got into it the same way she got into SHIELD. But since Daisy is still Daisy, this isnât a regret-fixing situation. So weâre meant to believe that this same lovely girl, with no big changes, would hunt Inhumans and work for Hydra? I donât buy it.
Or have I got this wrong? Surely, I must have. Cause it makes no sense.
I genuinely donât understand why the AOS writers want to reset everything back to season one in the framework. Whatâs the point in any of this? Its doing nothing to progress the actually story as far as I can tell.
I couldnât care less about Wardâs hero arc (which seems to be what this is mostly in aid of) Iâm disappointed by it, in fact, he was much better as a full blown baddie. I have no need to see Daisy forgive him or whatever is going to happen to please âSkyewardâ stans.
They have effectively killed off Fitz to do this as well. Basically with only 6 episodes left (probably ever) they have decided to break up FitzSimmons and write out one of the showâs most loved characters. Yeah, yeah its fun to see the nicest guy ever switch roles to the big bad bla bla bla. But honestly its also just a kick in the face to those of us who have stuck with AOS because they are invested in his character and in FitzSimmons. How is this a reward for fans? How is it rewarding us to see Fitz violated this way by AIDA and to see Jemma lose him? Am I missing something?
Not to mention what they have done to May. I have a seriously hard time believing that May could ever go along with what Hydra is doing when the incident with the inhuman girl happened well into her adulthood. Its a little more viable that Fitz is so different since whatever happened probably occured in childhood when he was still developing, but I donât buy this at all for May.
The only positive here is that BJ is back, and possibly Nick and Adrianne too. But, again, iâd preferred to see Huntingbird back in the actual series.
I just donât see the point in this arc. I want to watch SHIELD not make believe land.
Itâs not so much about what happens inside the framework as it is how it effects the real world later. and the effect it has on the agents.
Agree with @ohifonlyx33. And itâs also about how Radcliffe thinks what should be in an âidealâ world and how everyone would be affected if their biggest regret was taken away. I think itâs an interesting ethical question because I think weâve all wondered that sort of thing: what would happen if we went back in time and changed the past? How would that alter your life? How do our experiences shape the people we are and the events that occur? Iâm going to admit, I donât know how that leads to AIDA controlling Fitz. I think that was all in AIDAâs twisted mindset when she added her preferences into the framework. And it IS unpleasant to watch, definitely. As with May, her helping Hydra seems to be her way for atoning what happened with Katya in Cambridge, by helping to rid the world of inhumans. And Iâll be honest, I really like Brett Dalton as an actor and Iâm happy to see him on screen again, whether Ward could be redeemed or not (he never will, btw). It seems like the AOS writers have been planning this for a while but it comes with the added bonus of season 1 flashbacks, especially when itâs not certain if aos is going to be renewed or not. So I do see the point, but I guess it doesnât sit well with some viewers.
@nerdlove4thewin @ohifonlyx33
I get the premise. Iâm a sociology student, I 100% understand the power of socialisation. I donât think its really true to say people have an innate nature - we are programmed and shaped by what goes on around us. I think Jemma was wrong when she said that to Fitz - well, all the evidence tells us sheâs wrong.
Like I said, since we can assume whatever changed Fitz occured during his development then it makes sense for him to be a different person. But as a fully developed adult, who presumably up until Bahrain lead almost exactly the same life (sans Coulson), I find it way too far fetched that May would be Hydra. Sheâs an intelligent woman. No intelligent person would let one bad apple cloud their perception of every person like them.
I also like Brett as an actor, I really like him as a human being. Iâm not saying that Iâm not glad to see him. Iâm saying I donât think this is a good arc for him. He was so much better as a bad guy. I found season one Ward absolutely tedious before he changed. It was the best thing they could of done with him, and I never thought there was any chemistry between Brett and Chloe until that moment either. Whatâs the point in taking it backwards to a place that was much less interesting? He was a better character as a bad guy. He should still be that character imo.
Hereâs the thing; I donât have a problem with them doing the whole AU thing for 2 or 3 episodes, but it seems like its going on for the rest of the season. 6 or 7 episodes they have decided to go to make-believe land instead of telling the actual story we have all been following for 4 years. They have decided to do this by taking away Fitz and May as our heroes, and probably Mack as welll depending on how long it takes for him to remember. They have also decided to sacrifice FitzSimmons, YoyoMack and Philinda so they can revisit Skyeward. That sucks.
Its obvious that its going to lead to some kind of ramifications in the real world, but this could easily have been achieved without spending all of the remaining episodes in fantasy land. This ârewardâ to fans depends on FitzSimmons being ripped apart from each other yet again - after a season in which they have barely interacted despite finally being together and despite Jed and Mo telling us that their relationship would be a reward for fans. Honestly, theyâre entitled to do what they want with their story, but why did they tell us that blatant lie? Its just cruel.
To be honest, its no great mystery to me that theyâre losing ratings. Iâve certainly found this season to difficult to enjoy.
I genuinely donât understand why the AOS writers want to reset everything back to season one in the framework. Whatâs the point in any of this? Its doing nothing to progress the actually story as far as I can tell.
I couldnât care less about Wardâs hero arc (which seems to be what this is mostly in aid of) Iâm disappointed by it, in fact, he was much better as a full blown baddie. I have no need to see Daisy forgive him or whatever is going to happen to please âSkyewardâ stans.
They have effectively killed off Fitz to do this as well. Basically with only 6 episodes left (probably ever) they have decided to break up FitzSimmons and write out one of the showâs most loved characters. Yeah, yeah its fun to see the nicest guy ever switch roles to the big bad bla bla bla. But honestly its also just a kick in the face to those of us who have stuck with AOS because they are invested in his character and in FitzSimmons. How is this a reward for fans? How is it rewarding us to see Fitz violated this way by AIDA and to see Jemma lose him? Am I missing something?
Not to mention what they have done to May. I have a seriously hard time believing that May could ever go along with what Hydra is doing when the incident with the inhuman girl happened well into her adulthood. Its a little more viable that Fitz is so different since whatever happened probably occured in childhood when he was still developing, but I donât buy this at all for May.
The only positive here is that BJ is back, and possibly Nick and Adrianne too. But, again, iâd preferred to see Huntingbird back in the actual series.
I just donât see the point in this arc. I want to watch SHIELD not make believe land.
Buffy Anne Summers / Jemma Anne Simmons
Iâm honestly quite worried that the AOS writers are going to gloss over the issue of consent with AIDA and Fitz The Doctor. Obviously this isnât Fitzâs actual body she is violating but as far as heâs likely to remember it, it will feel like that. They did this with Ward and Loreli in season one as well.
Just take a minute and ask whether they would ever consider glossing over this if Fitz was female.
The interviews from Wondercon were really worrisome (for many reasons) but they were all talking about how Simmonâs will feel - like theyâve romanticised it.
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  If it makes you feel any better i tweeted the writer of the episode asking if he considered the rape connotations. He hasnât tweeted me back yet though
 @popsicle Iâm really glad to hear that, actually. I was thinking about doing something similar to Jed or Mo but I donât think they much use their twitters. I know they are filming the season finale now, so I just pray someone had addressed this because it certainly didnât seem to occur to them with Loreli.
This is one of the reasons I really dislike the idea of the framework because I think theyâre not going to have time to talk about the impact of it all properly. Initially I was worried about this for Mack and his experience of losing his daughter but now we have this issue of consent for Fitz.
Something Elizabeth said in the wondercon interview was she hopes Jemma can forgive. That could be nothing but it also sounds like they might go down the route of suggesting Fitz has some reason to feel guilty or complicit in what AIDA has done to him. (Unless she meant the framework/AIDA in general cause Fitz already feels complicit in that).
They could take this opportunity to say something important, but I fear they will just gloss over it instead.
Iâm honestly quite worried that the AOS writers are going to gloss over the issue of consent with AIDA and Fitz The Doctor. Obviously this isnât Fitzâs actual body she is violating but as far as heâs likely to remember it, it will feel like that. They did this with Ward and Loreli in season one as well.
Just take a minute and ask whether they would ever consider glossing over this if Fitz was female.
The interviews from Wondercon were really worrisome (for many reasons) but they were all talking about how Simmonâs will feel - like theyâve romanticised it.
