Punintended Consequences

Rationality has only begun to swell. Terrible Pun blog for people who believe in chang/speak my changuage. I identify with the emotions changry/changst

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

The concept of Tracen Ondo is so funny, they decide to arbitrarily speed up a folk song, and then everything goes wrong.

The microphone stops working, the singer gets so tired they have to pause to ask the audience for air, the drummer gets overhyped and jumps down from two stories up, the back up dancers get so tired that everyone stops while the lead singer gets a concussion.

Real "storyboarded by someone in their underwear and drunk" aura.

Anyway, have the funniest dododododo~su~n do~~~sunno

[isa-pang-chickenjoy]

my husband and i couldn't have more different tastes in the umamusume songs (i like the rock heavy songs, he likes the idol songs). he can't tell the difference though. so, i made a litmus test.

if orfevre gains aura, it's a rock song (legend changer, ms. victoria, winning the soul, etc.)

if orfevre loses aura, it's an idol song (meni shuki, tracen ondo, umapyoi, etc.)

[phenoct]

Hey OOMFies help me out

I want a fictional surname related to softness, fluffiness, etc suitable for a vtuber. Got any ideas?

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

Japanese sounding ones: Makura, Funyako, Punyanko

Western sounding ones: Souffle, Cloudee, Jennifluffy

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

The Legend Changer female announcer screaming Stay Gold's name is hype as FUCK considering Stay Gold's homeless divorced dad pony energy.

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

i would fucking die in palmer's position

[viejospellejos]

Reblog si este cono patina mejor que tú

[rockshitty]

Damn cony hawk

[nekosaws]

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

you're laughing, oguri cap is eating nothing but coal and you're laughing

[boobieteriat]

Northernlion would be an alchemist in the same vein as Van Hohenheim had he lived in Medieval Europe

Too bad God hates him from conception put him here with the rest of us

[cryptotheism]

[reading pigeon message from chat] "silver is washed? Yeah me when the, uhh, the chrysopoeia fails for the third time because I tried to induce fermentation in the white doves before fully dissolving the black crows. Whaddaya talkin about silver is washed? Listen, buddy I know its the the moon to the sun of gold but you gotta have some perspective here. No Abu Bakr al-Razi reading ass." [reading another carrier pigeon message] "I'm not crashing out I'm just saying the only thing im washing my damn silver in is more of the waters of life if you know what im sayin." [Alembic explodes because he was reading chat] "DUDE!!!!"

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

"Are you stupid? My forever stew is hot! It's soup. How is going to imbalance my humors?"

Then a week later I'll be like

"Sorry guys can't toil today, I have diarrhea. Or as we call it in the medieval era, normal poops."

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

Why do I laugh every time I hear "shoots his lightning attack" in a german accent

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

what are other non-chrono ark games even doing

i've watched the final battle sequence of chrono ark like 5 times (to get a certain postgame unlock) and I still haven't gotten tired of it. Pogged out of my gourd when I saw the name of the phase 2 specific card was the first time.

is it because i'm chuuuni who can say

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

My soul has left my body and my spirit has aged enough to shrink into a raisin.

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

Thinking about Nerissa Ravencroft talking Twilight

Nerissa: "Oh yeah it's my 5th time watching the Twilight movie series..."

Me: Oh yeah, that's high but hardly unusual for an unabashed fan

Nerissa: "...this year so far."

Me: "WHAT ON EARTH".

this explains so much about how good her cover of vampire is

[yaoialien]

You heard her

TRANS YOUR GENDER

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

What and have to compete with Hoshimachi mother fucking Suisei? NO THANK YOU. You'll be seeing my ass in the kiddie pools without the sharks.

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

pondering deeply if gengar can officiate gay marriages

[toskarin]

thinking about how I hate deckbuilding rpgs, but not because of anything inherent to the genre. I could love it and I see the path to loving it. I hate a single card that nearly every single one of them has

the "this should have just been an attack button" low damage clutter card. bane of my existence. nail in my shoe.

[flightyquinn]

This kind of misses the point of deckbuilding, though? The entire idea is that you have to fine-tune your deck and adjust the curve and balance to improve performance. The point of basic filler cards is to be filler. You're supposed to replace them over time.

They're there so you don't just have access to your best cards all the time. Otherwise, your deck could consist of one hand's worth of really powerful cards, and it would be "this might as well just be a regular RPG". Having filler cards makes a powerful, consistent deck something that you have to work towards.

[toskarin]

while I understand the mechanical utility of them, it doesn't do anything to make it more fun. with all things being as they are, what I find to be an intrinsic flaw in a genre is going to be someone else's point of appeal

that being said, I just don't think it's good design.

it's always seemed like a weird collision of the worst tendencies of older jrpg design (default attack spamming when specific spells aren't needed) and the worst tendencies of older ccg design (keeping baseline agency low so that the latter half of the game is more exciting by comparison), but rarely makes adequate use of solutions to those problems from either side

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

I think this is an artifact of deckbuilding RPGs being (spiritual?) descendants of dominion, where you start out with a deck with 10 shitty cards and over the next 15 minutes you build up to a really good deck. 

In that context it makes sense:

1. Since it’s a multiplayer game, with turn order, in general you want to decrease first turn advantage, and first turn advantage tends to compound when you start off with baseline better decks. The entire nature of deckbuilding RPGs is that you, the player is asymmetric so this makes less sense. 2. It becomes easier to teach and pick up, because the base deck will be filled with pretty easy to understand cards and interactions. This is great where you have a game night where someone might be playing this for the first time, but not so much for an RPG you are going to spend many multiple hours on.

3. The games are often built around removing cards from the deck as a vector of deck improvement, and removing that vector would mean that cards either need to be more complicated or the game itself would be too flat. Obviously when implementing a video game card complexity can go up since it’s a program, not a person executing it. 

4. Having deck removal be a thing means that you can potentially have games where deck removal is NOT a thing, so you can have both games where the player builds up very quickly to very powerful decks, or games where the pacing slows down and you have to consider optimizing your deck in other ways. On the other hand, single player deck builders, the game experience that feels most directly awesome is of course when your deck is awesome.

I don’t know which specific RPG you’re talking about, but I have a lot of Slay the Spire playtime so I’ll just talk about that. And there, I think the bad starter deck is exactly what leads to very varied play experiences.

High ascension play with everyone but the watcher involves lots of thinking on how to trade off short term gain vs longer term success since they start out “behind” the power curve, which means you end up playing completely different decks on different runs. For watcher, the strength of the starter deck means you can hold out until you get exactly the deck you want and the game ends up just being the waiting room for “make a rushdown infinite”. Even if that turns out NOT to be optimal play, the period of time where you play just the starter deck can be significantly longer as you don’t need to pick up any card NOW in order to survive the next three fights, which means 20 different runs of act 1 can start to blend together more. 

I think the need to survive while ALSO building the deck is where most of the interesting strategic decisions are and what separates deckbuilding games from preconstructed CCGs.

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

Y I K E S didn’t read the sibling post BORN TO DEAD HAND, strikes are a FUCK, 遊戯王combo them all, I am ironclad man. 410,757,864,530  failed runs.

[toskarin]

thinking about how I hate deckbuilding rpgs, but not because of anything inherent to the genre. I could love it and I see the path to loving it. I hate a single card that nearly every single one of them has

the "this should have just been an attack button" low damage clutter card. bane of my existence. nail in my shoe.

[flightyquinn]

This kind of misses the point of deckbuilding, though? The entire idea is that you have to fine-tune your deck and adjust the curve and balance to improve performance. The point of basic filler cards is to be filler. You're supposed to replace them over time.

They're there so you don't just have access to your best cards all the time. Otherwise, your deck could consist of one hand's worth of really powerful cards, and it would be "this might as well just be a regular RPG". Having filler cards makes a powerful, consistent deck something that you have to work towards.

[toskarin]

while I understand the mechanical utility of them, it doesn't do anything to make it more fun. with all things being as they are, what I find to be an intrinsic flaw in a genre is going to be someone else's point of appeal

that being said, I just don't think it's good design.

it's always seemed like a weird collision of the worst tendencies of older jrpg design (default attack spamming when specific spells aren't needed) and the worst tendencies of older ccg design (keeping baseline agency low so that the latter half of the game is more exciting by comparison), but rarely makes adequate use of solutions to those problems from either side

[lostpuntinentofalantis]

I think this is an artifact of deckbuilding RPGs being (spiritual?) descendants of dominion, where you start out with a deck with 10 shitty cards and over the next 15 minutes you build up to a really good deck. 

In that context it makes sense:

1. Since it’s a multiplayer game, with turn order, in general you want to decrease first turn advantage, and first turn advantage tends to compound when you start off with baseline better decks. The entire nature of deckbuilding RPGs is that you, the player is asymmetric so this makes less sense. 2. It becomes easier to teach and pick up, because the base deck will be filled with pretty easy to understand cards and interactions. This is great where you have a game night where someone might be playing this for the first time, but not so much for an RPG you are going to spend many multiple hours on.

3. The games are often built around removing cards from the deck as a vector of deck improvement, and removing that vector would mean that cards either need to be more complicated or the game itself would be too flat. Obviously when implementing a video game card complexity can go up since it’s a program, not a person executing it. 

4. Having deck removal be a thing means that you can potentially have games where deck removal is NOT a thing, so you can have both games where the player builds up very quickly to very powerful decks, or games where the pacing slows down and you have to consider optimizing your deck in other ways. On the other hand, single player deck builders, the game experience that feels most directly awesome is of course when your deck is awesome.

I don’t know which specific RPG you’re talking about, but I have a lot of Slay the Spire playtime so I’ll just talk about that. And there, I think the bad starter deck is exactly what leads to very varied play experiences.

High ascension play with everyone but the watcher involves lots of thinking on how to trade off short term gain vs longer term success since they start out “behind” the power curve, which means you end up playing completely different decks on different runs. For watcher, the strength of the starter deck means you can hold out until you get exactly the deck you want and the game ends up just being the waiting room for “make a rushdown infinite”. Even if that turns out NOT to be optimal play, the period of time where you play just the starter deck can be significantly longer as you don’t need to pick up any card NOW in order to survive the next three fights, which means 20 different runs of act 1 can start to blend together more. 

I think the need to survive while ALSO building the deck is where most of the interesting strategic decisions are and what separates deckbuilding games from preconstructed CCGs.