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i don’t care for galladads and this isn’t anything against anyone who does, but has anyone else ever thought about how the idea of mickey and ian having kids is brought up more than lip’s actual kid?? i feel like nobody ever talks about freddie😭
Hiii I just wanted to say I'm obssesed with ur shameless edits and analysis!! Omg ur vision of the characters and the story is magnificent. I've been binge reading your posts for like an hour- the best blog I've found this month! Thank u sm for sharing ur beautiful mind <333
omg thank you so much this is so nice😭😭 i need to start posting more on here asks like this motivate me
debbie and franny’s birthdays are supposed to be pretty close together, so in my mind, for franny’s sixth birthday she gets to have the cool vampire party she wanted and for debbie’s twenty-first she gets to have the princess party she always wanted
debbie come home the kids (me) miss you
Did you immediately love S4 and onwards Debbie or dislike her at first and gradually end up loving her?
i honestly just never questioned my love for her because she was always my favorite😭. one of the things that really convinced me to watch shameless was the scene of debbie and fiona arguing over debbie’s hair/seeing that debbie was being hated on a lot in the comments of that video- i didn’t understand the issue and i found her to be really funny, so i assumed it was one of those cases where people will just hate a teenage girl for being flawed (like every teenage girl)… and i was right. anyways, i started watching shameless and was always drawn to debbie and i never understood the hate at all, so i guess when i started season four and i had heard it was when she becomes “insufferable” i kinda prepared myself to hate her, but season four ended up becoming one of my favorite seasons for debbie lol and it didn’t even cross my mind that i should hate her for anything in that season. i really think that more people would like and understand her if they paid closer attention to her character and storyline and tried not to take everything people say about a character online too seriously, because it really does allow you to form your own unbiased opinion on her- seeing the hate honestly makes her a more interesting character to look deep into, in my opinion.
everytime someone’s mean to debbie in s11 i just think of s1 debbie as the girl they’re saying shit about and i cry. please be nice to my girl shes like 2 months old (she’s 20)
Ian x Debbie + just hashtag gay ginger middle children things
debbie and fiona - get gone
It always made me sad when people bring up Fiona becoming their guardian, and then later leaving. What would you have done in her place. Would you have left them? Left Debbie in an abusive foster home? Left Carl and Liam to be adopted and maybe visit them? Left Lip and Ian in that group home, and Ian by himself when Lip ages out? Would you do that, and then what? Walk out of that courtroom alone, leaving the kids behind? How would they feel as they watched you go? These kids who have been abandoned by their mom and left with Frank. So would you just get on with your own life? You only got a couple of minutes to make up your mind, what would you do in Fiona's place?
i don’t really think you got the point of the edit if you think this is all about her getting guardianship. i get thats what she had to do, i get it was the only good option, but that doesnt excuse what she did afterwords. ian was illegally enlisted in the army, went awol, became a teenage prostitute and was in serious danger and she was all nonchalant about it saying “he’ll be back when he’s back”. liam overdosed at three because fiona wasn’t watching him with drugs in the house, and you’d think that growing up with addict parents and being around your siblings when they were toddlers (who are known for putting everything in their mouths, toddlers are crazy) would teach her to not do that. you’d think she would take some responsibility, but instead she defends herself and says she isn’t guilty when she clearly is. debbie got pregnant as a teenager and i know this is a sore spot (but this is the real point of the edit), but fiona shouldn’t have made her homeless. idc. a tough love approach would be fine, but at the end of the day, it’s her body and her decision and she did give birth. as her guardian, fiona should’ve still given her a place to live. she almost never held franny, she never raised franny, and i think establishing that boundary with debbie would be fine but there were better ways to do it than tackling her to the ground while debbie screams (6x02) and then eventually making her and her newborn homeless. when i bring up how fiona was warned its not because i think shes stupid or shouldnt have become guardian, it’s because i think what the judge was saying foreshadowed her future decisons. and in s7 when she tries to rebrand herself as an independent woman if it wasnt for the emergency contact list and billing her siblings. i don’t care and i don’t wanna hear an argument, debbie and carl were children and they should’ve been treated as such. it doesn’t matter if they were “acting as adults”, they weren’t. she signed up to take care of them until they were 18. once the baby was out and debbie was trying to change herself and improve her life she didn’t deserve that treatment, and pretty much nobody in the show was on fiona’s side. lip, ian, kev, and v shouldn’t have been higher on the emergency contact list than fiona because this is fiona’s job. it doesn’t matter if you think she deserved a life of her own because while i do think everybody deserves that, she still has responsibilities and that was child neglect. kev and v also have kids of their own and a business, the gallagher kids aren’t their responsibility. i get your argument but i don’t see the point in becoming guardian when the second she became guardian she started pretending she had no role in the kids life. what was the point if she was just gonna abandon them anyways? i get not wanting them to end up in foster care but i feel like that’s better than on the streets. that’s not even just about debbie because in s11 liam doesn’t know who his guardian is and has to pick out spots on the street to sleep, and while he had his other siblings he should’ve had fiona with him, his ACTUAL guardian. hate me for this take if you want to but i’ll defend the kids over fiona until the day i die, sorry.
Oh I get all that, believe me. I also think we would think that way even if she had never become their guardian. Even if that whole thing never happened. It's not the legality of her situation that makes what she did wrong, it's the dynamic of their family. She basically had no choice when she became guardian, so for her, and for all of them it was "just a piece of paper." It really didn't mean a whole lot in their day to day life. It should have, of course, but in their world, it just didn't. My point is that when she became guardian she had to make that choice in the spur of the moment, she wasn't given time to think about what it really meant, she was only thinking about keeping her family together. That was her whole purpose. If she hadn't done it, if she had walked away and left them to the system, what would we all think of her? And of course she was a shitty guardian, how could she be anything but. Where did she learn how to be responsible? Who raised Fiona? As Debbie said, "Fiona takes care of everybody, but no one takes care of Fiona."
So yeah, I too have empathy for those kids, and can see how you would defend them. And I agree that Fiona made some really shitty decisions and was horrible when called out. But then Fiona did make those kids lives exponentially better than if she had not been there at all.
okay you really seem like you DON’T get it because all you’re talking about is the guardianship and not acknowledging any other part of the edit itself, which is weird considering you felt obligated to reblog with your own two cents. i’m talking about fiona mistreating debbie and acting as if she wasn’t still supposed to be supporting debbie even if debbie made the terrible decisions she made. all you’re talking about is the same things everybody says, “oh well she’s been raising these kids forever and if she didn’t get guardianship then they would’ve been put in a worse situation” which is odd because i never said anything about that in my post. this is about debbie and fiona neglecting and mistreating her in s6/7. you talk a lot about how their lives are better in fiona’s care, and in the earlier seasons, they were, but when they were ACTUALLY in her care when she was guardian, i wouldn’t say that. when fiona was guardian ian was being dragged out of a club at seventeen by pedophiles and debbie was begging on the street. what’s the point in becoming guardian to save them from shitty situations if you won’t do shit to help them or put them in a shitty situation?
i don’t hate mickey, i actually love him, i just find ian more interesting. i also love fiona in the earlier seasons. i love debbie acknowledging her flaws and the mistakes she’s made. i’m tired of having to justify all of my opinions about a tv show as if everybody doesn’t have different opinions and perspectives. if you want me to explain my perspective on anything shameless related send me an ask and i will. it’s not that hard and it pisses me off when people (on here, tiktok, and twitter) assume things about me when they’ve never even spoken to me. almost nobody on here knows me so stop acting like you do
debbie and fiona - get gone
It always made me sad when people bring up Fiona becoming their guardian, and then later leaving. What would you have done in her place. Would you have left them? Left Debbie in an abusive foster home? Left Carl and Liam to be adopted and maybe visit them? Left Lip and Ian in that group home, and Ian by himself when Lip ages out? Would you do that, and then what? Walk out of that courtroom alone, leaving the kids behind? How would they feel as they watched you go? These kids who have been abandoned by their mom and left with Frank. So would you just get on with your own life? You only got a couple of minutes to make up your mind, what would you do in Fiona's place?
i don’t really think you got the point of the edit if you think this is all about her getting guardianship. i get thats what she had to do, i get it was the only good option, but that doesnt excuse what she did afterwords. ian was illegally enlisted in the army, went awol, became a teenage prostitute and was in serious danger and she was all nonchalant about it saying “he’ll be back when he’s back”. liam overdosed at three because fiona wasn’t watching him with drugs in the house, and you’d think that growing up with addict parents and being around your siblings when they were toddlers (who are known for putting everything in their mouths, toddlers are crazy) would teach her to not do that. you’d think she would take some responsibility, but instead she defends herself and says she isn’t guilty when she clearly is. debbie got pregnant as a teenager and i know this is a sore spot (but this is the real point of the edit), but fiona shouldn’t have made her homeless. idc. a tough love approach would be fine, but at the end of the day, it’s her body and her decision and she did give birth. as her guardian, fiona should’ve still given her a place to live. she almost never held franny, she never raised franny, and i think establishing that boundary with debbie would be fine but there were better ways to do it than tackling her to the ground while debbie screams (6x02) and then eventually making her and her newborn homeless. when i bring up how fiona was warned its not because i think shes stupid or shouldnt have become guardian, it’s because i think what the judge was saying foreshadowed her future decisons. and in s7 when she tries to rebrand herself as an independent woman if it wasnt for the emergency contact list and billing her siblings. i don’t care and i don’t wanna hear an argument, debbie and carl were children and they should’ve been treated as such. it doesn’t matter if they were “acting as adults”, they weren’t. she signed up to take care of them until they were 18. once the baby was out and debbie was trying to change herself and improve her life she didn’t deserve that treatment, and pretty much nobody in the show was on fiona’s side. lip, ian, kev, and v shouldn’t have been higher on the emergency contact list than fiona because this is fiona’s job. it doesn’t matter if you think she deserved a life of her own because while i do think everybody deserves that, she still has responsibilities and that was child neglect. kev and v also have kids of their own and a business, the gallagher kids aren’t their responsibility. i get your argument but i don’t see the point in becoming guardian when the second she became guardian she started pretending she had no role in the kids life. what was the point if she was just gonna abandon them anyways? i get not wanting them to end up in foster care but i feel like that’s better than on the streets. that’s not even just about debbie because in s11 liam doesn’t know who his guardian is and has to pick out spots on the street to sleep, and while he had his other siblings he should’ve had fiona with him, his ACTUAL guardian. hate me for this take if you want to but i’ll defend the kids over fiona until the day i die, sorry.
this perfectly represents gallavich and i don’t think i’ll ever get over that
debbie and fiona - get gone
how is twitter worse than tumblr or tiktok
okay i guess i misspoke, i’m just not comfortable posting about shameless on twitter because i’ve seen people post about my posts on there and i just feel like the fandom on twitter doesn’t like me😭 i’m sure that sounds stupid and like a generalization but i literally just don’t want to be on there because of a few people lol
do you have a Twitter ?
i do but i never use it lol
i think being the toxic debbie stan that i am has fucked with my brain, because i’m watching euphoria for the first time and i loathe ethan but i couldn’t think of any good reasons… then i remembered he was in shameless and fucked with debbie for his step sister, seema. so basically, i hate everyone based on how they treat a fictional character even if it’s in another universe and another character. good to know
tiktok deleted my comment on ur debbie matty edit but good god he needed his kneecaps broken
oh was it the babes in toyland one?? but yeah, he REALLY did. i wish lip kicked his ass, honestly😭😭. this isn’t really related to this, but the other day i found his actor’s reddit and he had some of the worst takes on matty i’ve ever seen- like that there isn’t anything wrong with matty being around debbie (like spooning her and promising to have sex with her, i guess) because they had the same maturity level. it’s SUCH a creepy thing to say and i can’t get over it, it makes me want to kill matty even more, which i never thought was possible
So just saw a clip from season.... three?
Whenever fiona is selling the cups and jimmy/Steve is doing whatever he's doing with estefania and the coffee shop.
At one point in the clip fiona is talking to Carl and Debbie, debbie happily eating pancakes or whatever, and fiona says "you guys know how Jimmy's thinking about maybe going back to med school?"
Carl says "no"
Fiona says, "okay well if he does it would be in Michigan."
Debbie's face freezes and she drops the food and looks at fiona "he'd leave us?"
That made me think about ALL the people debbie had been left by.
Monica (in and out)
Frank (in and out)
Jimmy/Steve (disappears)
Ginger (back to nursing home)
Grammy (dies)
Sheila (goes to wherever she went)
Jimmy/Steve again
Mandy
Matty
Ian (ran away to the army but came back)
Lip (went to college but came back)
Sammi (bitch though she is, she came and played big sis for a bit)
Derek
Fiona
Sandy
It made me think of older debbie when she was real clingy with Kelly and I just wanted to give debbie a fucking hug.
🙁🙁🙁🙁🙁i think about that everytime i watch that scene. everybody was always leaving debbie, and in season three, she was left by SO many people. frank was gone for months, monica gave up her parental rights, jimmy-steve, and as you said, lip and ian. and when fiona started to stay over at mike’s i think she pretty clearly started to detach herself because she was so afraid of being hurt, but a lot of the fandom likes to claim that was just “poor writing” and “debbie becoming a bitch”. it wasn’t out of character, it was extremely in character. and you’re so real for talking about kelly, she had a close bond again, and she was so scared of it breaking and her leaving, so she clung to her. same with sandy, she tracks her and tries so desperately to keep prince and sandy both and have a family with her. every relationship debbie’s ever had, platonic or romantic, has ended in abandonment, and it hurts so bad. it’s literally no shock she ended up a “bitch”, as people like to say.
