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The O.C 4.05 - The Sleeping Beauty
Those little moments when Harm is talking to Mac and lowers his voice to a soft whisper while making puppy eyes at her.
JAG | Shakedown
“You going to be okay?”
“I won’t be playing the piano anytime soon.”
“Well, I’ve heard you play, Mac- it’s probably for the best.”
Harm and Mac - JAG (9x22 “Trojan Horse”)
Harm and Mac: a summary
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Season Two - Episode One, We the People
SEASON TWO, EPISODE TEN - THE GAME OF GO
Harm and Mac + coin toss.
More JAG talk! I've been rewatching a bunch of different episodes and seasons which bring me joy and sadness. I have some assorted Mac thoughts.
Recently, I rewatched both the "Four Percent Solution" (S10E10) and "Second Sight" (S4E20). I believe Second Sight was the better of the two in terms of understanding Mac. The tense relationship with her father and how those scars shaped Mac as a person, the dynamic with the priest who wanted so desperately to help Mac through her trauma and hatred to find forgiveness. Mac's mother strolled back in, and the sad realization that both of her parents had failed her horribly. It was beautifully tragic in a way that made Mac understand her father was more than what she remembered and that her mother was less than. There was no real resolution to her trauma for either parent, but it was enough of an experience that she was able to let go of her past finally.
It was a hefty episode that really allowed Mac to feel and live in her anger in a way that made you understand how her abandonment issues, her drinking, and her personal relationships came to be. The back and forth with the poor priest who wanted so badly for Mac to see her father had changed in his final hour, and that it's not too late for her to find comfort in forgiveness. Mac is trying to get the Priest to understand that a lifetime of scars and trauma cannot be overcome with a silent "I'm sorry" said by a dying man looking for absolution.
This is one of my top episodes in the whole series.
Mac is my absolute favorite character on the show with Harm being an extremely close second. But throughout the series, I felt like the exploration of her character was nonexistent if it was not related to her romantic relationships. I think Season 4 was her best season because we had the Russia arc in the premiere, the death of her father, meeting her mother, and the priest, the introduction of Chloe, the whole Chris & John thing, and her facing career consequences for the Chris & John thing. After that, we didn't get to have a lot of personal stories with her and we really never got to see her create her own professional relationships like Harm did with Bobbie, Adm.Boone, Skates, and pretty much every other recurring character he met. Hell, we got at least 5 different stories about his old military buddies and Sturgis was brought in as his bestie from the Academy.
Mac got two episodes of John, her Duke law professor who hated her, and much, much later, the CIA director and Rogue agent, but only because she knew Webb!
I really think they dropped the ball with Mac a lot, but seasons 9 and 10 were her worst for me. I found her unlikable, childish, and undeservingly arrogant, and petulant. It mostly came across through flippant comments to friends or clients, sometimes through her demeanor. It wasn't like she was walking around angry like the Incredible Hulk, but she noticeably lacked a lot of the empathy and perspective she had in previous seasons. There was no real explanation given as to why her behavior, we could trace it to her relationship fallout with Harm in Paraguay, but even that is not a satisfactory reason. Mac pushed Harm away at the end of that adventure.
**I'm still angry about the S9 Christmas episode. I don't care that she made it right in the end; I hate that she made Harm's plea for guardianship over Mattie about herself. She had been pushing Harm away for months; he had to deal with that and still be an adult, and he found someone who genuinely needed his help because they were an unprotected child (like Mac was), but Mac had the nerve to get upset that Harm never mentioned Mattie to her before. Like, what did she expect? She put the strain on their relationship - Harm was keeping his distance because she wanted it that way. Mac had no right to be angry that Harm found a shelter with someone when she left him out in the cold. But I digress**
Even the Sadik arc in S9 was kinda "eh" it didn't do or say much for Mac's character. If anything it showed that Mac probably would have made a good spy or NCIS agent.
Mac not having a solid support system or other non-romantic relationships to fall back on was glaring in season 9. We didn't understand her. We didn't understand where her emotional and mental state were coming from nor where they were going. Season 10 was slightly better as they added some new characters (at the eleventh hour) to give her a social life, so we can see her as a whole person again.
In rewatching, The Four Percent Solution, I felt unsatisfied by the narrative. It was basically a chance to unpack Mac's anger with Webb and her distance from Harm and her life choices, but unlike with "Second Sight", this episode felt as though it was holding its punches. It didn't want Mac to verbally address what we noticed throughout the last season and the first half of season 10, Mac was actually angry and ashamed of her behavior over the last year, and she didn't know how to stop.
Mac didn't love Webb but stayed with him out of spite of herself (and Harm), but by the time she realized that - Harm had continued his life without her (but still waiting for her to let him in), and she was determined to stay with the guy who made his intentions known. Basically, a poorly done redux of Mic & Mac. The anger with Webb was because he lied to her about his death when he said he loved her and that hurt her pride more than anything. He chose to leave her. She then felt ashamed for treating Harm the way that she did because he confirmed (at the Admiral's retirement party) that he was always the one that she wanted and that truly wanted her back. But she was too embarrassed and ashamed to apologize to Harm for building a wall between them. Mac wasted that year, that time, on Webb, and she knew it, and now "time" had run out.
I wish that the psychologist had pushed that issue more once she clocked what Harm meant to Mac during their conversation. I wanted Mac to verbalize her realization of what she had been going through that year and her loneliness. The breaking down and crying and the bratty remarks fell flat for me. Mac was a better communicator than that. I didn't like that she never talked to Harm about it properly at the end of the episode or the episodes after it. It was a cheap way to get them back to a good place without having to do the work.
I love JAG to pieces, I always will, and Mac will always be one of my top 5 female TV characters, but I do wish JAG treated her character journey a little bit better. I wish that therapy session was better than it was.
Been rewatching different episodes of JAG and I’m curious about something. Are seasons 9 and 10 as difficult for anyone else to watch as they are for me? Don’t get me wrong, I have my favorite moments and I actually love how the series ended because it left it open ended but the other episodes I have a hard time sitting and watching.
Side note: I know this GIF isn’t from either of the seasons but it’s one of my favorites 🥰
Yes. I can really only watch a few selected episodes from those two seasons and skip some scenes deliberately. The truth is that no matter what people (and Donald Belisario) say, the backbone of the whole series was the relationship between Harm and Mac. And season 9 left it WRECKED and painful as fuck. I HATED Mac with Webb to the point where I started to hate his character in all the previous seasons as well (though originally he was one of my favourites). Season 10 did some picking up the pieces, but NOT NEARLY ENOUGH as it should have, since it so bizarely left Harm behind. Not to mention Mac and her PTSD as well as endometriosis should have been a much greater part of the season (with Harm included!!!!). Really, they should have just finally get them really together after “Four Percent Solution” and end the series with Harm and Mac either finding out she was pregnant - or, if that was too happy an ending, them deciding to start a fertility treatement or something. Harm and Mac were great characters with amazing love story that was really build on trust and knowing each other, and it was almost destroyed by the writers in those last two season. (WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT NCIS LA IN THIS HOUSE).
@manuscripts-dontburn I agree with you completely! I will never understand why they made Mac have endometriosis if they weren’t gonna do anything with it!
Also, as much as I loved the Maddie and Harm father daughter relationship,I’ll never understand what her point was. 🤷🏻♀️
I think that they made the endometriosis simply because the time was up for Harm and Mac´s baby deal and they needed to keep them apart. So with Mac being unable to have children there was no need for the writers to make that baby Mackenzie-Rabb happen. They simply got away with it. She has medical issues. That´s it.
At the beginning of season 10 Mac is at her all time low emotionally. (and as garbage as her storyline was all hail Catherine Bell for portraying the gung-ho Marine Mac becoming so fragile and soft). And while Harm makes two or three half-hearted attempts to get close, he remains occupied by other things throughout the whole season. It was so poorly handled it makes me sad to this day.
I do recall the rumors around the end of season 8 those hiatus months, and the beginning of season 9 that DJE was supposedly considering ending his time with JAG early in season 9 because he felt Harm wasn't really going anywhere (he was right). That's partially why they made Harm a temp CIA asset and introduced Mattie, but the flip side to that is if Harm wasn't going to be on the show then they have to do something with Mac. They decided it was best to make her extremely unlikeable and petulant for the entire season and half of season 10. Go figure.
Obviously, DJE stayed for the whole season 9, but season 10 was the same situation, and this time he really was ending his time with the show. That's why we got that crop of new characters and emphasis on Mac being their mentor. With DJE and Harm gone, JAG would have to either do a soft reboot or an offshoot. Neither came into fruition even though most of season 10 was setting that premise up.
I fully believe they were never going to put Harm and Mac together. They probably believed the "will they? Won't they?" dynamic was what people loved - not the intimate relationship between the two. Seasons 9 and 10 were hard for several reasons and for several characters, but the main two people with the relationship that viewers were most invested in, were put in hellish limbo. Mac resented Harm for not verbally expressing his love in Paraguay, and Harm was giving Mac the space she needed and wanted. Their conversation at the Admiral's retirement party was great because Harm got to tell Mac that she was the one pushing him away and creating a distance in their relationship. I don't like to put the full weight of Harm & Mac's failure to launch on one side more than the other, but seasons 9 and 10 it was definitely Mac getting in the way of their future.
We can chalk it up to DJE's then up in the air commitment to more seasons, but I think he saw what everyone else saw. The show was going to milk Harm and Mac not being together for as long as they can which meant that neither character grows or develops any further. Everything in their personal lives had been explored and learned from. Harm left JAG twice and came back twice to do the same cases as always. He burned his bridges in Washington and his military friends were not used as much since the show started focusing more on the ongoing war. There was an interesting spot in season 9 where Mac was developing nicely into a spy and that could have been something, but not necessarily for Harm unless they were going to be an official couple.
It was just a rough two seasons that could have been avoided if the writers hadn't suddenly resented their show, their characters, and story growth. It really does feel like the writers' room was fed up with having to think of something new instead of following the status quo, so they let their bitterness override their love of the show.
I mean, no one was happy in season 9. Admiral's engagement fell to pieces, Sturgis was made into an office enemy almost overnight, Mac was on a bend, Harm was sad and lonely, Webb had the worst character assassination he's ever had.
Absolutely exhausting season to deal with.
i would like to take the opportunity to say that i’ve created a petition for a jag reboot/revival/ whatever, so, if you came across this post, please sign the petition.
David said at SDCC that he’s down for it, Catherine said she’s down for it, so let’s get rolling!!!
https://chng.it/5CVmrhPGYL
Let's Give JAG another chance
I'm here again with my JAG fixation. I have some thoughts rattling around in my head about various things that could have been done and the things that were done that pissed me off.
Starting off hot with this controversial rambling to no one in particular:
The dynamic of Harm and Mac in seasons 9/10 should have been used in season 7 when it made more narrative sense. Season 7 opened with Mac's relationship imploding due to her and Harm's soulmatism, and Harm telling Mac to come to him so they could finally have their chance to "talk." However, Harm pulled an Uno reverse card on Mac and left her hanging out in the rain while he tended to Renee's emotional needs. Then he spent the next few episodes playing coy about where he and Mac stood.
Mac should have been more furious and heartbroken and their relationship strained in this season. She went through an emotionally raw and public ordeal with her relationship with Mic & Harm and didn't get any real closure or healing. Harm didn't even tell Mac that Renee dumped him! They were working together in the same office for weeks after she returned from sea duty. As much as I love the Jagathon episode, that relationship reset they agreed to do was bullshit. They needed the season 9 angst and anguish before finding each other again. That would have made season 8 much more impactful because Harm really tried to get his ass in gear that season with his moving towards Mac.
Which brings me to the next thing:
Season 8 should have ended with Harm and Mac getting engaged, or at least the season 9 premiere should have been an engagement. Throwing Webb into the mix was a waste of time especially since Steven Culp wasn't even a series regular. It made Mac look pathetic for getting into a relationship with this man she's held in professional and somewhat personal contempt over the last 7 years. The show gave Webb and Mac the Mac and Mic development - taken straight out of their ass. It was just a waste of time.
What should have happened is that Harm & Mac finally came to an understanding about the depths of their feelings after their estrangement in season 7 and decided to make a real go of it together. Season 9 could have been the lead-up to their wedding.
Speaking of season 9:
Mac should have been the one to leave JAG. I know they worked out Harm coming back because Imes was a phony (VINDICATION!!) and they needed the manpower to take over her cases, but Harm had already left for a carrier as a pilot again a few seasons earlier. Mac should have left this time and maybe been given the job she had in the NCIS LA arc - special liaison. I feel like Mac being an agent outside of JAG would work better than Harm being one. Which she basically proved when she had that cat-and-mouse thing with Sadik Fahd. Hell, they could have shared her partially with NCIS at that point.
The real issue with Harm & Mac has been their military careers. As we know from Harriet and Bud, married officers cannot be under the same command. That's the only true roadblock to Harm & Mac after they confessed their love at her engagement party back in season 6. No one else needed to be written to get in the way of a future relationship between the two. So the series finale did away with that problem by sending them to different duty stations. If Mac left her post in season 9 and stayed out, then that would have opened up the path to Harm & Mac fully.
Which could have led to Mac's replacement:
Officially being Sturgis as both Harm's partner/rival. I know Sturgis ruffled the feathers of some viewers, but he was an excellent addition to the cast. Speaking of Jagathon, when AJ alluded to Sturgis hopefully being in JAG than himself, I knew exactly what he meant and Sturgis' potential. He was always meant to replace AJ as acting JAG because he showed all the qualities needed for the position of leadership. He and Harm, being old buddies at the naval academy, old best friends, and legal opponents, were perfect. I loved that he even mentioned Mac looked like Diane when he first met her because of course he should know that first-hand.
In the courtroom, he easily sparred with and held his own against Harm & Mac. He wasn't a pushover or overzealous. He was stern, by the book yet creative and flexible. He and Harm needed to be the next dynamic legal duo. Not to mention the immediate mentorship and friendship he extended to Bud to help him better himself as a lawyer was really lovely.
I very much hate that the writing for Sturgis took a nosedive. At some point, they wrote less and less for him, excluding him from being part of the bigger connecting stories and dynamics. Then, once they remembered he was supposed to be a main character, they turned him into another version of Lt. Singer. They added resentment and a grudge against Harm for no reason. Animosity with Mac for God only knows what, and reasserted that stick so far up his butt it likely gave him brain damage.
I'm absolutely gutted at what became of Sturgis' character, because he deserved so much better and his original introduction and dynamic to the show was fresh and new, but still fit with the essence of the found family within JAG. If we ever do get. JAG reboot or continuation of some sorts, I hope Sturgis can come back and the bridge/fence shown as mended between everyone.
There's more but this post is already too long.
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