"Debunking Misinformation: The Truth About Age Changing in Shifting and Why Your 'Mature Soul' Argument Falls Flat"
Disclaimers : read the post fully you dont understand something ? ask me and i will happily clarify it for you. And debates and arguments are welcome, Fallacies arent.
And also i apologie for the tone that may be rough and/or intense i am trying to change that and perfect it , my apologies.
Alright, itâs time to really break this down and rip apart every flawed, uninformed argument youâve laid out. Youâre out here acting like youâve got it all figured out, but spoiler alert: you donât. So buckle in, because weâre going deep into the weeds, and Iâm bringing receipts to debunk every one of your points with twice the heat and twice the sources.
"You bring up the fact you fully embody the reality that you go to, but your soul and experiences from here whilst ur there. Itâs a mix of both."
Letâs get one thing straight: this idea that shifting is a "mix of both" is flat-out wrong. When you shift, you fully immerse yourself into your Desired Reality (DR) and become that version of yourself completely. Thereâs no half-and-half bullshit where part of your Original Reality (OR) self is sticking around while you live in your DR. If that were the case, no one would even bother shiftingâwhat would be the point if youâre still dragging your OR baggage with you?
As Iâve said before and as extensively covered in sources like this Tumblr post, when you shift, you adopt the mindset, emotions, and even the memories of your DR self. Your awareness is fully aligned with the reality youâve shifted into, meaning you think, feel, and live as that person. You donât just âborrowâ the body of your DR self while keeping your OR experiences in the background. Itâs not a costume; itâs a complete immersion.
To say that part of your âsoulâ from OR sticks around? Thatâs just an uninformed take. Souls in this context are not limited or bound to the rules youâre trying to impose. Consciousness is vast, all-encompassing, and when youâre in your DR, youâre fully there. The idea that thereâs some kind of fractured awareness where part of your âmature soulâ is lurking in the background? Thatâs nonsense. As Iâve previously said, your soul adapts to the context of the reality youâre in. Youâre not half in, half out. Youâre all in.
"Being romantically involved with a minor knowing at least a part of your soul has matured is incredibly disgusting no matter how you phrase it."
Let me stop you right here because youâre trying to apply OR morality and assumptions to something that doesnât even apply in a DR. Youâre not walking around with your adult OR mind when you shift to a younger version of yourself. When you shift down, you fully take on the age youâve shifted to, and that includes your mental, emotional, and cognitive states. As Iâve discussed before, and backed up by posts like this one, you arenât keeping any âmatureâ part of yourself intact while youâre in the DR. You are mentally and emotionally aligned with the age youâve shifted to, whether thatâs 16 or 60. So this whole "part of your soul is still mature" argument? Itâs based on a complete misunderstanding of what shifting really entails.
And letâs talk about your use of the word "disgusting." Youâre trying to frame consensual experiences in a DR as inherently gross, but thatâs just because youâre stuck thinking in OR terms. When someone shifts into a younger version of themselves, they arenât an adult with a teenagerâs bodyâtheyâre a teenager again, period. They think like a teenager, feel like a teenager, and experience relationships as a teenager. Thereâs nothing inherently disgusting about exploring love, relationships, or even sex in a different stage of lifeâespecially when youâre doing it as a fully immersive part of that DR.
If you really want to cling to the argument that having any part of your soul "matured" makes romantic relationships problematic, then by that logic, youâd also have to condemn teenage shifters aging themselves up into adult relationships, because guess what? Thatâs the exact same thing, just reversed. But no oneâs out here screaming about that because it doesnât fit the "adults are creepy" narrative, right?
"Itâs vile to see how many shifters do this and will never get any repercussions to their actions. Iâll die on that hill."
Alright, letâs talk about this hill youâre so eager to die on. The idea that shifters should face ârepercussionsâ for engaging in consensual relationships in their DRs is just ridiculous. Shifting isnât the same as living in OR, and you canât impose OR consequences on DR actions. In your DR, you are the age youâve shifted to, and the dynamics of your relationships match the context of that reality.
Hereâs the thing: Intent matters. If someone is shifting to a younger version of themselves to relive missed opportunities, heal from trauma, or just experience youthful love again, thereâs nothing inherently vile or wrong about that. As Iâve written extensively before, shifting is a deeply personal and immersive experience, and most shifters are doing it for reasons that have nothing to do with anything harmful. The idea that people should face "repercussions" for their DR relationships just shows you donât understand how shifting works in the first place.
And letâs get real: If someone truly had vile intentions, they wouldnât even bother shifting down. A real predator wouldnât waste time becoming a teenager in their DR. Theyâd shift into a reality where their disgusting behavior is normalized or even celebrated. Theyâd create a world where their actions have no consequences. So the fact that you think ârepercussionsâ are necessary shows that youâre missing the bigger picture. As Iâve discussed in depth here, the true issue lies in intent. If someoneâs intent is to heal, grow, or explore, then no harm is being done. Full stop.
If your hill is built on assuming that every adult who shifts down is doing something harmful, then youâre standing on a pile of fallacies and fear-mongering. You can die on that hill if you want, but itâs made of weak arguments and ignorance. The majority of shifters arenât engaging in anything harmfulâtheyâre using shifting as a tool for self-discovery and healing. Donât throw the entire community under the bus because youâve failed to understand the complexities of the practice.
Bonus: Letâs Address the âSoul/Consciousnessâ Argument One More Time
Since you seem stuck on this whole âsoul and consciousnessâ bit, let me break it down again. Souls and consciousness are vast, all-encompassing. When you shift, your soul is fully adapted to that reality. Youâre not carrying over some mature OR fragment of yourself that suddenly taints your DR experiences. As explained in this Tumblr post, souls are adaptable and expansive. The idea that part of your soul stays mature while youâre in a younger body is a complete misunderstanding of the nature of consciousness. Youâre just not aware of the vastness of your soul because, in that moment, youâre immersed in your DR self. Trying to claim that you have this lingering OR maturity floating around is just plain wrong.
So hereâs the bottom line: Your entire argument is built on misunderstandings, double standards, and a fundamental lack of knowledge about how shifting works. Youâre out here trying to apply OR morals and logic to something that exists outside of those rules. Shifters fully become the age they shift intoâmentally, emotionally, and cognitively. Thereâs no half-in, half-out soul situation happening. And when shifters engage in relationships in their DR, itâs not âdisgustingâ or âvileâ because theyâre living in a completely different reality where their mindset aligns with that age.
You want to die on a hill of fallacies and false assumptions? Fine, but donât expect everyone else to follow you there. The truth is, the majority of shifters are using this practice for self-exploration, healing, and growth. Intent is everything, and unless someoneâs specifically scripting harmful dynamics, thereâs nothing wrong with shifting to explore different stages of life.
So maybe itâs time to rethink your stance before you go throwing around accusations and blanket statements about how âvileâ shifters are. As Iâve said before, most shifters arenât doing anything harmful, and theyâre not dragging their OR experiences into the DR to manipulate age dynamics. Theyâre fully embodying the age theyâve shifted into, living that life with the mindset, emotional capacity, and maturity of that version of themselves. Your assumptions about maturity and the soul are based on a limited understanding of what shifting actually entails, and frankly, itâs not helping anyone.
Youâre out here dying on a hill made of shaky, fallacious arguments, while the rest of us are living in realities where intent, self-discovery, and healing are the focus. If you want to keep painting shifters as predatory based on a misunderstanding, thatâs on youâbut maybe take a second to realize that your perspective is rooted in fear, ignorance, and a flawed interpretation of how consciousness and shifting really work.
If you canât wrap your head around the fact that shifting is a deeply personal, nuanced, and immersive experience where your OR doesnât come into play the way you think it does, then maybe itâs time to step back and reconsider how much you really know about this community before making sweeping judgments.
P.S. Let me hit you with one more thing:
When it comes to your Original Reality (OR), youâre not walking around in your Desired Reality (DR) with your OR brain tagging along for the ride. Instead, you have extensive knowledge of your OR through the lens of your DR self. Your OR becomes more like a distant memory or background information that your DR self is aware of but isnât actively living or processing with the same emotional or cognitive weight. So yeah, youâre aware of your OR, but itâs not some dominant force influencing your every thought or action. Youâre living fully as your DR self, with only as much knowledge of your OR as your DR self needs to function in that reality.
Youâre not straddling two worlds, dragging OR maturity into a DR bodyâyouâre embodying your DR self, period. The knowledge you have of your OR is filtered through your DR selfâs perspective, which means itâs not the same as living with your OR mindset in your DR. So again, the whole âpart of your soul is still matureâ argument? Nonsense. Youâre aware of your OR, but youâre not mentally living in it while youâre in your DR.
Hope that clears up whatever lingering confusion youâve got about how this actually works.
