You're all I see in the afterglow

Yet another sideblog of @toast-vol-6 ⚠️gcest

[miraclesometimes]

Me and my soul we know where we're going...

...still

[shambolicasfuck-deactivated2016]

Cute.

[danaes-silver-hammer]

Andy: Noel did all the press and it was always from his point of view. He'd make personal opinions about the band members that were not good for the whole band; it was just what he thought. We never got a say. People had 10 years of Noel's opinions as if they were Oasis. And that's where it's got us, where it's as if the only one to expect something decent from is Noel. Liam has got valid views. And now he gets to air them.

— Andy Bell for The Japan Times. August 12, 2011.

[spinalrecoil]

liam's well-documented habit of getting a deep sniff of noel is so precious to me. especially bc he was smelling noel concentrate for the first 15-ish years of his life when he was sharing a matchbox with him. nestled into his neck, head resting on his shoulder. that's home, baby!

[yesimbeatle]

liam genre of the day:

[biflyingbirds]

Has anyone got that post with Noel in a korean hotel lobby, lounging on a sofa like a cat on display for the fans who weren't allowed go inside? I've only got a badly cropped screen grab...

[biflyingbirds]

This is all I've got 😫

But it's so ridiculously cute - so he came out to the lobby on purpose and did a self-exhibition like a kitty 💕

[chewinggumnnails]

Noel at The Kitchen in 1988

From The Rise and Fall of Madchester (BBC):

"Hulme during the eighties was economically broken but socially mixed, and The Kitchen became its heart and its soul. Ravers, students, punks, artists, musicians, gangsters, men, women — gay and straight — they learned to disappear into the music together."

Visit Original Link

Noel: "When we used to go to the Haçienda in the eighties back in Manchester, afterwards there used to be, if you were brave enough to go, there used to be an afterhours kind of— what was it? ‘Cause they used to have DJs in there and it was very very shifty, y’know, and it would go on till seven-eight o’clock in the morning. And they would play kind of acid house music. But as the night would draw to a close, the older DJs would get on at like six o’clock in the morning and they’d start playing old, kind of soul stuff that you’d never heard. And I remember the sun coming up, and I was just stood beside a guy, and we were kinda dancing, and it was Mani from The Stone Roses, who I’d never met, but I was a massive fan! [...] That was the first night I met him, in 1988 at seven o’clock in the morning."

More on The Kitchen and Hulme Crescents:

Manchester Evening News (2022):

"You'd walk in and to the right there was like this half door to the kitchen, which is where the drinks were sold. It was dark, but it wasn't pitch black. There would be like a single pink lightbulb on, it wasn't a place that pandered to the consumer. "It was like the last days of the Roman Empire.

"At the time there were all these areas in Manchester that were basically left un-policed and without public services. "There were no police in Moss Side, the Gay Village, Hulme," he said. "And when that happens places become their own kind of entities. People make up their own rules. "So Hulme became this kind of commune, an anarchist haven. It was f***** fantastic. But you also needed to watch out for people taking your s***."

The Guardian (2023):

Constructed in 1972, the vast brutalist estate was the largest public housing development in Europe and could house up to 13,000 people. Intended as a futuristic blueprint for social housing, design and safety flaws became apparent within two years. In 1974, a child died falling from one of the easily climbable balconies. Cockroaches were plentiful, the heating system unaffordable, and residents were soon petitioning to be re-housed. By the mid-1980s, the council wanted to demolish it but couldn’t afford to, so they stopped charging rent. It became a magnet for a disparate crew of squatters – students, travellers, punks, ravers, anarchists, artists and drug addicts all living in chaotic harmony – and a dilapidated incubator for Manchester’s future musical talents. “It was a creative epicentre,” says Martin Moscrop of the post-punk funk outfit A Certain Ratio, who lived there. X Republic vocalist and resident Lily Laina Munster concurs: “It was a bringing together of minds through rebellion and music.” A Guy Called Gerald, the Smiths’ Mike Joyce, Ian Brown, Mick Hucknall and countless others also lived there, as did the film critic Mark Kermode and even Nico from the Velvet Underground. “Although I think she stayed for the cheap heroin,” says Una.

Late night blues parties had been run locally by the Black community for years, but by 1987, ecstasy and the burgeoning dance music scene brought an appetite for a different kind of early-hours do. So the Kitchen as a late night club was born. Scrawled graffiti on the walls in the estate provided directions for party-goers to reach the top floor of Charles Barry Crescent, where a sound system pumped out funk, hip-hop and imported house and techno. “On the first night there were 500 people,” says Williams. “It was crazy.” Nicholson remembers “a jam room upstairs for musicians and then DJs downstairs.” Williams recalls the room functioning for other activities. “People used to do a lot of fucking up there,” he laughs. Chris Jam and Tomlyn of the Jam MCs were brought in as in-house DJs. “The first time we walked in to Hulme it was like a scene from Mad Max,” recalls Jam. “It was lawless.”

This rent-free creative mecca for young people who shaped the future of Manchester sits in stark contrast to the city today, one which trades heavily off its own musical and cultural legacy but with a housing crisis that makes living there simply unattainable for many. “One of the reasons you get such incredible art, effervescent culture and creativity is because of a low or no rent situation,” Una says. “Rent is biblically expensive in Manchester and there are no areas where counterculture can be allowed to grow naturally and develop. Hulme was a haven for that.”

more sources:

DJ-mag: 24-hour party people: raving and rebelling in Manchester’s Hulme Crescents

VICE: Remembering Hulme: Manchester's Scruffy Squat Party Republic

[wreathedwith]

Daily Star - Thursday 08 August 1996

(the Star is much like the Sun but even more downmarket, so you can take all that with a pinch of salt. did this, er, documentary ever come to light?)

[idigyoursoul]

Noel says that the inspiration for the title Who Built the Moon? was taken from a chapter in a book of conspiracies that he read in the 90s.

While I couldn't find anything with that specific chapter title, I think it's likely that Noel read Jim Marrs' Alien Agenda that was published in 1997 and became hugely popular.

The first chapter in that book addresses the Spaceship/Hollow Moon theory.

Guy Pratt mentions Who Built the Moon? by Christopher Knight and Alan Butler, but that book was published in 2005, so Noel may have seen or heard the title somewhere and gotten it mixed up. However, there are so many books on conspiracies it's entirely possible there is a book out there with a chapter titled Who Built the Moon?

[miraclesometimes]

[savageandwise]

[manchesterslurper]

[miraclesometimes]

omg thank you for recommending today was gonna be the day by savageandwise... so good

You're very welcome, I'm glad you checked it out! The last line hits everytime...

While I'm at it, other favs from her also happen to be outsider POVs: To Love Somebody (Noel and Melissa in SF) and Make a Killing (Aimee Mann, her crush on Noel, and Liam in the middle)

[mr-styles]

Harry with Liam Gallagher and Andrew Wyatt x

[wreathedwith]

Dublin Evening Herald - Thursday 13 February 1997

so he did try to get married before Liam. (and also experienced the same press intrusion issue.)

[theimportanceofbeingidle]

The Uncle joke 💀💀💀

This screenshot remains a mystery. (Liam posted the text exchange between Noel and Anais on 20 April 2018, then deleted it.)

Who sent it to Liam, and why he posted it a year later, remain unknown.

2017 to 2019 was such a dark time. 💀💀💀

[danaes-silver-hammer]

Liam and Weller: the complete saga

From 1994 to 2024. Liam's important comments about Weller are highlighted with red and Weller's with blue

Both Liam and Noel were both fans of Weller, though Noel was obviously more into The Jam and had deep admiration for him. For example, Liam and Noel went to a Paul Weller gig together back in 1990 when Liam was 18 years old, and according to Noel the two of them were surprised by his single "Into Tomorrow".

Liam and Paul Weller met in 1994 (allegedly, in Glastonbury) and used to see eachother from time to time.

Inside, I see Liam Gallagher leaning against the doorway of the main party room. He's on typically cryptic form.

"I love Paul Weller,' he tells me. 'But I was too young to be really into The Jam. I preferred The Beatles.'"

— The Observer magazine, October 1999

In 1998, Steve Craddock invited Liam to record a cover of Carnation, his favourite song by The Jam. In the end, the rest of Oasis also collaborated on the song, along with Weller who played keyboard.

In 1999 Liam and Steve Craddock performed (mimed) the cover in Top of the Pops. In November it was released as part of the album "Fire and skill", a record in homage to The Jam.

Q: I never thought of you as a massive Jam fan.

Liam: No, I'm not. But I like some of the tracks, and I like Weller now. So we were speakin' about The Jam and mods and all this nonsense, so I went, 'oh, "Carnation" is the fucking best tune,' and Steve goes, 'Oh, that's my favourite tune. I'd love to do a cover of it one day.'

— Liam for UNCUT Magazine, April 2000

During the recordings of Standing on the Shoulders of Giants, Liam showed "Little James" to several people, including Paul Weller, who was the one to tell Noel it was a good song and convinced him to put it on the album. Noel has also said he believes Weller played on the song.

— Liam on The Big Breakfast, 2000

Noel: Apparently [Liam'd] already… I don’t know if this is true or not, but apparently he’d already demoed it before. And he never played it to me. So I was probably the last person ever to hear it (...) And I think Paul Weller played on it or something like that.

During the early 2000s, both Gallaghers and Weller hang out fairly regularly, assisting to each others' gigs (pic by Jill Furmanovsky, 2001)

However, according to Noel, Paul and Liam would somtimes get into arguments if they both had something to drink:

— Noel on The Big Issue, 2019

In 2008, Oasis attended a Paul Weller gig in New York. On "That's Entertainment", Liam walked on stage and kissed (?) Weller:

Noel was not at the gig because he was recovering from the stage attack in Toronto. More info here!

In 2009, Liam founded Pretty Green, his own clothing label, which takes its name from a The Jam song (written by Weller, ofc) of the same title.

That same year Liam was supposed to go on stage with Weller at the Benicassim festival but the gig had to be stopped due to a fire.

In 2010, Weller was asked for his opinion on the Oasis split:

"I don't want to talk out of turn because I love Noel and Liam, but I thought there was a bit of going through the motions by the end. You can see when someone's not happy. But I guess when you get to that sort of level and there's big business involved, it's harder to stop. I think ultimately it'll be better for music and for their own creativity."

— Paul Weller for The Independent, 24 April 2010

Despite the split, they maintained a good relationship during the Beady Eye years:

Who are the legends you’ve met and not been disappointed by?

Liam: Paul Weller. He’ll never let you down, man. Lee Mavers, he’s a fucking dude. Johnny Marr. Ian Brown – he’s absolute fucking dynamite.

— Beady Eye for Hot Press, 22 February 2011

On April 2011, both Beady Eye and Paul Weller played at the Japan Disaster Benefit. Liam organised the event along with Weller.

On June of that same year, Pretty Green announced a autumn/winter collection designed by Paul Weller (x) and he actually modeled for it!

In 2013, there were rumours of another charity gig spearheaded by Weller, in which Beady Eye would be invited, but Liam and Gem denied it. Although he jokingly said he would be down for it if Weller got all "freshman with his big strong arms" and roped him into doing the gig.

In 2015, amidst Oasis reunion rumours, Noel mentioned that Weller told him that he would break his legs/put his windows in if he got Oasis back together. Later, Weller confirmed this:

““I know it went around that I said I’d break Noel Gallagher’s legs or whatever if he even considered reforming Oasis, but it’s true. It’s unseemly. I have no interest in it and I honestly have no idea why anyone would. For me it’s always about moving forward. I couldn’t give a fuck if Oasis got back together again because I like what [Noel] does now,” Weller told NME, just weeks after Gallagher said the former Jam man would put his “fucking windows in” if that happened.

— The Daily Beast, 26 May 2015

In 2017 is when things get a bit complicated:

In September of 2017, Liam said the Oasis break up was planned and that Weller and Johnny Marr had chats with Noel about leaving Oasis, giving him advice on how to leave the band:

Asked if he feels like he ‘walked into’ Noel’s plan, Liam replied: “Without a fucking doubt, mate. They knew what they were doing. Our Kid having little meetings with Paul Weller. ‘How did you get out of The Jam?’ And with Johnny Marr. ‘How did you get out of one of the biggest bands in the country?’ It was all marked out and dickhead here walked right into it, which is fine. There’s no time limit on the truth coming out. People are clocking it now anyway.”

— NME, 3 September 2017

However, a month later Weller denied ever advising Noel to leave the band:

Q: Liam Gallagher said recently that you and Noel met to discuss breaking up Oasis. What do you make of their thing, where they snipe at each other in the press?

PW: [Laughs.] I don’t know man. It’s like a sort of comedy duo, isn’t it? It’s like a comedy duo, but with no straight man.

Q: Did Noel talk to you about that?

PW: Obviously not, man, of course not. Absolutely not. I mean, he’s not the sort of person that would ever do that. And I wouldn’t fucking want to be the person to have to give him advice anyway. But, they’re both, how should I put this…sort of liberal with the truth at times, bless them.

— Gothamist, 3 October 2017

On the 23rd of that same month, an interview with Weller was released in which he talked about Liam's "As You Were":

PW: I'm glad for [Liam], I’m glad he’s got his own thing together and he’s out there doing it. I’m really pleased on that level. Musically, it just sounds like Beady Eye – which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but it wasn’t a massive surprise or anything. But I think I’m more pleased that he’s out there doing that. The lyrics are pretty pony I thought, a little bit sub-standard.

— Weller for Northern Transmissions, 23 October 2017

Three days later Liam tweeted this in retaliation:

In November of 2017 however, Liam spoke highly of Weller to NME:

Liam: I really like The Jam as well, but I remember when [Weller] came out with his solo stuff, that was what I really got into, when he was doing 'Into Tomorrow' and things like that. After that I was into a lot of his stuff. I remember I went to see him at the Apollo with Steve Cradock around 'Wild Wood' and it was amazing. Amazing voice, amazing songs. He ooked like an honorary Manc at the time. I thought he looked really cool. I liked him then, I still like him now. All his new stuff is great: that thing he did for that boxing film recently (Jawbone), mega. We hung around him a lot, obviously, when Oasis kicked off.

— NME Gold, November 2017

Then in 2018, Liam went after Weller again (and Johnny Marr)

On February, after going on a rant he stated that Weller and Noel had been slagging him off behind his back for years:

In 2019, with the release of NGHFB'S Black Star Dancing, Liam criticized (slagged off, more accurately) the song and wondered what 'Noel's bit on the side' — referring to Weller— would think of it:

“It’d be interesting to hear what [Noel's] fucking bit on the side thinks about it. You know who his bit on the side is, don’t you? Weller. It'd be interesting what he fucking thinks about it, 'cos he's put out some questionable shit over the fucking years, but I don't think he's ever gone down the Leo Sayer route, so it'll be interesting to see what marks out of 10 he gives it.”

— Q Magazine presents "The Making of..." May 2019

In a 2020 interview, however, Weller denied again that he had given advice to Noel and decided to stay out of Liam and Noel's "spat":

Asked what he thinks of the latest controversy between the Gallagher brothers, Weller said: “I’ve got better things to think about. I love both of them, anyway… I think they’re both brilliant characters.”

— Weller for NME, 23rd June 2020

Finally in August of 2024, Weller was asked about his opinion on the Oasis reunion:

Visit Original Link

PW: I’ve not been to see them, no (...) I’m not a big fan of big gigs, I said to Noel, a few weeks or months ago: ‘Are you going to do any warm-ups?’ which he wasn’t, but, I’d go and see something like that in a smaller venue, but I just don’t like big gigs*.

Q: When did you know the gigs were happening?

PW: uh, when I read about it in the Daily Trumpet or whatever.

Q: Did you not know upfront? Noel hadn't told you?

PW: No, but I wouldn't expect him to, y'know? It's not of my interest to be honest, but I bet everyone else knew about it.

*Weller did go to Blur's Wembley gigs and even played support for one of the shows.

And that's about it. There's obviously more mentions and news about them being at each others' gigs, events, etc, but these are the important events/aspects of their relationship. Mostly I just wanted to show that, while it is true that part of their current animosity is because of jealousy over Noel, Liam and Weller also had a friendship of their own that got bitter over the last few years. Also Weller's Pretty Green collection is appaling.