You look at me with the eyes of your mother. Who said of my mother, "she will be my death or I hers."
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You look at me with the eyes of your mother. Who said of my mother, "she will be my death or I hers."
Intermarriage in the house of Stuart
♚ @dailytudors: TUDOR WEEK 2025 ♚
day two | most interesting Tudor relationship - familial or romantic
The start of the Tudor dynasty was solidified by the marriage of Henry VII, King of England, who won the battle of Bosworth with his Lancastrian forces, and the Yorkist Princess Elizabeth, who was the eldest living daughter and child of Edward IV, King of England, the first Yorkist King. A marriage that started as an alliance between two warring factions (and two meddling mothers-in-law) developed into a deep mutual love and affection, producing seven children, with three reaching adulthood. He is one of the Kings of England to have no acknowledged mistress during his marriage which during an age of Kings having mistresses is a rare feat. On the death of their eldest son and heir, both were visibly distraught and consoled and comforted each other in their joint grief. When Elizabeth died Henry shut himself for days refusing to speak to anyone, with her death the warmth and gaiety left the court, leaving us with the miser Henry VII, King of England, known to popular historical imagination. The six years between their deaths Henry did not remarry and would later be buried with her sharing a joint tomb.
3/3: HENRY VII, KING OF ENGLAND AND ELIZABETH OF YORK
I like to imagine that Henry VIII and Mary Tudor, both children of Henry VII and EoY, were so 'passionated' in their love life (with secret weddings or lovers) because of their parents. Of course the royal couple only wished political alliances for their heirs, but the kids grew up with the picture of happily married parents, with a couple who clearly loved each other. Maybe *unconsciously*, it was something that Mary and Henry wanted as well, and their 'romantic hearts' came from that.
I COMPLETELY AGREE, DEAR ANON
I think it was the book ‘The Winter King’ but I’m not sure, that stated that Henry VIII spent his entire life finding a marriage similar to that of his parents. I do think other historians share this opinion
I also think Henry VIII cherished the memory of his mother a lot, who was beloved and popular queen who had given her husband a sons within 8 months of the marriage. In those days they were not aware how gender was determined and saw it as a token of loyalty for a woman to give her husband a male heir. I think this probably contributed to Henry VIII’s obsession in wanting a son.
Mary was only 6 when her mother died but the first years of a child’s life are crucial in the development of social and emotional bonding and I’m sure infant Mary received and perceived affection and love from and between her parents that was unusual for royal couples in that age.
So yes I 100% agree, also with the ‘unconsciously’ part. They may not always have been aware of the influence their parent’s had on them but surely seeing their parents happily married caused them to desire a similar fate. Henry recklessly continued his search his entire lifetime and Mary sternly refused to be wed to anyone else but Charles Brandon to safe herself from another politically arranged marriage.
Say what you want about Henry and Mary they certainly inherited their parent’s passion.
Historical Inaccuracies in The White Princess
I detest this series, but I hate-watched every episode and nitpicked it to death, as I pointed out all the ways Philippa Gregory and Emma Frost misrepresent, skew, vilify, and outright slander these historical figures. Go forth and revel in the rage... err, historical accuracy checks.
Have you read all the episodic breakdowns for The White Princess?
Episode 1: In Bed With the Enemy
Episode 2: Hearts & Minds
Episode 3: Burgundy
Episode 4: The Pretender
Episode 5: Traitors
Episode 6: English Blood on English Soil
Episode 7: Two Kings
Episode 8: Old Curses
FAVORITE TUDOR MONARCHS (as voted by my followers) | [3/6]
HENRY VII
The first five kings of Wessex.
1. Cerdic, its founder (Tenure: 519-534).
2. Cynric, his son. (Tenure: 534-560).
3. Ceawling, his likely grandson (Tenure: 560-592).
4. Ceol, his other grandson (Tenure: 592-597).
5. Ceolwulf, his great-grandson (Tenure: 597-611).
My favourite Tudors.
mothers of the tudors
Brandon Family- Charles Brandon - Mary Tudor
St Mary’s Hall Coventry
A special feature remains at the high end – a late 15th century tapestry and the stained glass window commemorating Henry VI and his lineage. The tapestry was commissioned by Henry VII to hang in St Mary’s Hall as part of a plan to canonize his predecessor who was revered by Coventry in part because he had granted the city special status as a county. Probably Flemish in design and weave, it represents the Assumption of the Virgin with the apostles and kneeling figures of Henry VI and his Queen.What an evocative backdrop to staging in front of (but not on) the dais the tapestry and windows would have made for companies known to have had the Henry VI plays in their repertory!
Pembroke’s company, perhaps with Shakespeare among them, played Coventry on their 1593 tour when all three Henry VI plays were available to them – probably around the same time that they visited the Berkeley family at Caludon Castle nearby. The King’s players also toured through Coventry several times, starting with their first tour, when they were driven from London by the plague in 1603.
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There has also been more recent speculation that one of the figures represents Richard III.[2] The character in question holds an item that has clearly been rewoven in an attempt to alter the image which looks to have been a snake originally. This has been interpreted as ‘an emblem of evil and deviousness’, according to an article on the guildhall website. The figure also holds a small item which has been identified as a coin and thus a symbol of Judas. Source.
Here are some close-ups of the Coventry Guildhall tapestry!
The figure that’s supposedly Richard III is the one in the middle (below) wearing the blue damask, just behind the kneeling cardinal. You can see him holding the coin in his left hand:
The same source suggests that this might actually be Richard, Duke of York (rather than his son), as he was a prominent figure at Henry VI’s court. The ‘serpent of discord’ was a popular motif in mid-15th and 16th century literature, and Polydore Vergil (Henry VII’s court historian, who was likely writing his Anglica Historia at the time the tapestry was being designed) attributed the Wars of the Roses to the actions of York. It’s also been suggested that the object in the figure’s hand may not be a coin, but a gambling die symbolic of York’s risk taking.
Also, take a look at this section below! This is what I’m excited about, as shameless Tydderite Trash:
It’s been suggested that the two male figures in the red and the blue might actually be Owen and Edmund Tudor! This theory is based on the prominent inclusion of the white greyhound, which was one of Henry VII’s personal symbols and would be fitting for his grandfather and father.
Honestly, it could just be a random dog, and the figure on the right could actually be John Talbot, earl of Shrewsbury and Treasurer of England (based on the purse he’s wearing), but I’m desperate for any and all depictions of the early Tudors so one can dream…
Louis XII of France and his third wife, English princess Mary Tudor, from a book detailing the pageants given for Mary’s reception into France.
the seven children of Henry VII & Elizabeth of York + namesakes [insp]
♔ Mary Tudor was ‘generally considered handsome and well favoured…and conducts herself with so much grace..she is a paradise. King of France would come as far as Abbeville…to meet her, and there consummate his marriage with this “nymph from heaven”…Her deportment is exquisite both in conversation and in dancing, and she is very lively.’
… And Send Him Many Years of Sunshine Days