John and Craig welcome writer and showrunner Tony Gilroy (Andor, Michael Clayton) for an in-depth look at crafting a second season of a hit
I'm sure that this has been posted many times before -- an absolutely fascinating interview with Tony Gilroy.
I'm not at all familiar with this podcast, but it seems to be a very industry-insider type of thing. One of the presenters seems to be the creator/showrunner of another show (The Last of Us? idk).
This ends up being a really deep dive into the creation process behind Andor, and I'm particularly intrigued by what seemed to be big setbacks and obstacles during the making of the show ended up in fact unexpectedly being integral in making Andor such a good show. It was all so improbable.
Also, this:
I had the experience that one always speaks about in an editing room. On every movie I’ve ever been on, there comes a moment where you go, “God, I’d pay $50,000 if I could see my movie for the first time.”
What a thrill that must be!












