“Itachi shinden is as officual as the Boruto manga”. I hope you know that the Boruto manga is neither written or produced by Kishimoto, so why even make that comparison? First of all: Itachi Shinden is a novel, not anything is illustrated. The same way Sasuke Shinden was created. They’re not books written by Kishimoto, they’re written by someone else and Kishimoto just approved of them.
In all honesty, I’d rather quote the actual manga than a book not even produced by the author. Besides, that book was written to “justify” Itachi’s character. Another note on how bad writing Naruto has. But since the manga says that the entirety of the elders decided that a genocide was a great way to deal with the issue. Not only are YOU justifying their decision. “Itachi was a child troubled by PTSD and didn’t want to see another war” and “he loved his family” is literally speculations on your part. If you love your family you don’t kill them, simple. Itachi DID love the village more than the Uchiha. He literally fell flat for the elders. Besides, the elders sought out Itachi for him to spy on the Uchiha, not in reverse. Itachi AGREED to leak information about the clan as soon as he started in the ANBU. Itachi AGREED to become a double spy so the village could overlook the inside business of the clan. This was long before the massacre was even a plan. The reason they chose Itachi and not everyone else was due to his loyalty to the village. They tried with Shisui but he refused, thus Danzo killing him by stealing his eyes. So why would the Uchiha even accuse Itachi of the crime if they didn’t doubt him from the beginning? Most likely because he was famous for siding with the village rather than his clan.
All you’re doing is trying to justify Itachi’s sociopathic character. There’s nothing to justify. You’re just taking the blame from him and Konoha by putting it all in Danzo’s lap. Hiruzen literally APPROVED OF THE PLAN. That’s the literal thing about why we call the system corrupt. And the manga says that Danzo made the suggestion of killing them all when they found out about the coup. It’s literally in the actual manga. Itachi then AGREED to kill them all. Because he was Konoha’s dog. A civil war? No, Konoha was worried about a civil war because they would never let the Uchiha try to break free from their oppressive regime.
You’re justifying shitty characters and a shitty government who thought genocide was better than actually give their people basic human rights.
Okay it’s my turn to tackle this nightmare since you wanna be like this.
“ “Itachi shinden is as officual as the Boruto manga”. I hope you know that the Boruto manga is neither written or produced by Kishimoto, so why even make that comparison? “
Itachi Shinden is official canon. Also, the Boruto manga while not being personally drawn by Kishimoto, is supervised by him. He is helping to tell the story, he just isn’t tasked with drawing it week by week since he’s done it for 15 years and he deserves a break. He’s still in charge of major decisions, Ikemoto can’t just do whatever he wants with it. You can dislike the novels all you want, it doesn’t make them any less canon.
First of all: Itachi Shinden is a novel, not anything is illustrated.
And? It being a written media doesn’t change the fact these are officially licensed novels that add more backstory to gaps in Naruto, such as post-war content and Itachi’s pre-Part 1 content.
The same way Sasuke Shinden was created. They’re not books written by Kishimoto, they’re written by someone else and Kishimoto just approved of them.
It’s hilarious you can say Kishimoto personally approved the novels and then call them not canon just because he didn’t sit and slave under a desk lamp to personally pump out illustrated chapters for each individual story, which would take a lot longer and put so much stress on him. You have no respect at all for how arduous the schedule of a mangaka really is, and just expect him to slave for you so you can say “yep this is canon content.” You need to drop the assumption that canon = things I approve of, it’s really ridiculous when discussing any sort of meta. I don’t like the ending at all but that doesn’t make it any less canon. Canon is a constant, not something you can pick and choose from.
In all honesty, I’d rather quote the actual manga than a book not even produced by the author.
That makes your argument completely null and void since you’re explicitly ignoring official canon content which provides context to an event you want to write a specific narrative for. You’re literally operating without crucial information since it disproves the narrative you want to push. People like this should never be trusted with any kind of serious analysis.
Besides, that book was written to “justify” Itachi’s character.
That’s just your opinion. The book was written to show just how tragic the Uchiha massacre was, and how instead of the Uchiha actually being a legitimate problem, the real villain was Danzo, who was not above grooming children to be his weapons and who wanted the Uchiha dead at any cost so he could harvest their eyes. If the book was written to justify Itachi’s “decision” (since you seem to think he came up with it all on his own) they would’ve portrayed all of the Uchiha as power hungry, pride-ridden, aggressive people who were trying to crush the rest of the village under them, instead of a minority who wanted equal rights and an equal say in governing matters just like any other citizen of Konoha. The only Uchiha who fit this description are Yashiro, Tekka, and Inabi, and they don’t represent all of the Uchiha.
Another note on how bad writing Naruto has.
Again, anyone who tries to use the “bad writing!!11!!” excuse should never be trusted to do any serious analysis. We’re all just dumbasses on the internet, not licensed writers with published works. You aren’t the authority on what constitutes as legitimate bad writing. You, like anyone else who uses this excuse, seem to think things you don’t agree with = bad writing. This isn’t how analysis works in any form. If you can’t handle that things in stories won’t line up to exactly how you want them to be, you should just drop Naruto entirely.
But since the manga says that the entirety of the elders decided that a genocide was a great way to deal with the issue.
Newsflash: shitty people do shitty things. The manga telling us the elders decided to kill the Uchiha does NOT equal bad writing. It’s a reflection of the beliefs and morals the elders have, as they aren’t good people. If you can’t handle bad people making bad decisions (or people in fiction making irrational/illogical/emotional decisions), wtf are you reading fiction for?? Stop expecting everyone to act cool calm and collected all the damn time and make the right decision. Stories would have nowhere to go if everyone made the correct decision all the time. That’s what gives stories things for people to latch onto, is conflict. The elders making that decision is a reflection on them, it serves to tell us what kind of people they were, and where their priorities lied. \
Not only are YOU justifying their decision.
Literally no one is saying the elders made the right decision.
“Itachi was a child troubled by PTSD and didn’t want to see another war” and “he loved his family” is literally speculations on your part.
Except no, it’s literally canon. If you read the novels like any sane person doing analysis, you’d see that it’s explicitly stated that all of Itachi’s motivation comes from the deep fear instilled upon him when he saw the battlefield. It stuck with him so deeply that he didn’t want to see that kind of bloodshed again, and he literally witnessed one of his first teammates being gutted infront of him. He has seen war and he has seen people die infront of him and felt loss.
If you love your family you don’t kill them, simple.
With every sentence you prove you shouldn’t be trusted with analysis. You can’t reduce the events of the anime/this novel down to simple shit like this. Without any context, yeah, I agree, people who love their families don’t have any urge to cause them harm.
But you’re trying to make this black/white and ignoring all the context of Itachi’s grooming, his misunderstandings with his Father, his inner fight between both his parents agreeing with the coup versus Itachi not wanting to go through with it, the order he was given to kill everyone but Sasuke, and how his parents relented and didn’t want to fight Itachi. Itachi shook with hesitation and literally cried when he killed them. He loved his parents and reaching the unavoidable time to kill them deeply hurt.
He literally fell flat for the elders. Besides, the elders sought out Itachi for him to spy on the Uchiha, not in reverse.
Wrong. He fell for Danzo’s manipulation, after years of trying to keep his distance from it. Also why the fuck is this a criticism? Are you really trying to blame a literal child who was groomed since he was seven years old? That is some serious victim blaming. “how dare this child be a child and fall for manipulation! Gosh, I hate it when characters aren’t completely immune to other people trying to abuse them!”
Itachi AGREED to leak information about the clan as soon as he started in the ANBU. Itachi AGREED to become a double spy so the village could overlook the inside business of the clan.
Lol no he didn’t. If you actually read the novels, you’d see Itachi was the shittiest double-spy to exist. He ended up not being able to leak information on either side, so much that it frustrated the fuck out of Danzo and he had his spies kill an Uchiha and two of his men took turns impersonating him in meetings so that Danzo could get the intel he wanted. Itachi was primarily urged to be a spy for his clan, and then Danzo propositioned him for information, which Itachi staunchly refused to give.
This was long before the massacre was even a plan.
Newsflash asshole, the massacre was Danzo’s plan since the Kyubi attacked Konoha.
The reason they chose Itachi and not everyone else was due to his loyalty to the village.
That’s grossly oversimplifying it. You will find out (READ THE NOVELS), that Danzo chose Itachi purely because it would be easier to label the genocide as an “unfortunate massacre” if one of the clan members performed the execution as opposed to the ANBU being chosen for it. Danzo literally used Itachi’s fear of mass bloodshed against him so that the village would still look good after the fact, also utilizing Sasuke’s life against a boy whom he knew would end up prioritizing him. Itachi didn’t have anyone else left to depend on and had no defense left for Danzo’s manipulation. Last time I heard, threatening to out the village secrets if they touched Sasuke isn’t staunch loyalty. It’s conditional loyalty. Itachi knows the village system is fucked up. Is it logical to choose the masses over your own ethnic clan? No! But he was a child.
They tried with Shisui but he refused, thus Danzo killing him by stealing his eyes.
False. Shisui was never considered to carry out the massacre. Shisui wanted to prevent it just as much as Itachi, and formulated a plan to calm the Uchiha down without taking their lives. Danzo, who had wanted to kill them from the very beginning, realized this plan would work, thus he had to kill Shisui and steal his eyes so he could control other people in the future with them.
Danzo literally put a stop to a real solution because it would have gotten in the way of his actual plan to steal their eyes.
So why would the Uchiha even accuse Itachi of the crime if they didn’t doubt him from the beginning? Most likely because he was famous for siding with the village rather than his clan.
1) They didn’t doubt Itachi from the beginning. They only seriously began doubting him because he never ended up sharing any information from his time in ANBU, which greatly frustrated them.
2) Shisui and Itachi were close. Fugaku referred to Shisui as an elder brother figure to him. Thus, knowing they were close, and believing that Shisui was loyal to the clan, the only conclusion they can come up with is that Itachi, someone both close to him and having the ability to copy his handwriting, could have staged his suicide.
3) Yashiro, Tekka, and Inabi already personally dislike Itachi, having screamed at him since he was (you guessed it) 7 years old. It’s vindication to accuse him, it’s confirmation bias. They’re both right and wrong– they don’t know the details of why and how Shisui died and what’s really going on.
All you’re doing is trying to justify Itachi’s sociopathic character.
Itachi was never sociopathic. Also literally all you’re doing is trying to pin the blame on the massacre on Itachi. You’re literally making the elders, Danzo, and Hiruzen blameless because you want to blame a child who was groomed since he was seven years old.
There’s nothing to justify. You’re just taking the blame from him and Konoha by putting it all in Danzo’s lap. Hiruzen literally APPROVED OF THE PLAN.
sdfjklfsdjklfsdjkllkjfsdlklk why are you this stupid.
We’re saying Danzo, the elders, and Hiruzen are all responsible. Itachi was a child who was being groomed for the act since he was seven years old and who was taught he was smarter than he was and thus unfairly bore the responsibility no child should ever have thrust on them. This was BIGGER than Itachi and he didn’t realize it until it was too late, since adults were controlling everything the entire time, and Itachi was left to bear the guilt as if it was all his fault. Stop justifying the grooming of a child by a corrupt system.
That’s the literal thing about why we call the system corrupt. And the manga says that Danzo made the suggestion of killing them all when they found out about the coup. It’s literally in the actual manga.
No one is saying the system isn’t corrupt. We’re in agreeance on this. Also read the novels you walnut, where you will find out that Danzo had wanted to kill the Uchiha since the beginning. It literally makes no sense to consider Danzo did it “as a precautionary measure” if he still went on to masturbate over their eyeballs.
Itachi then AGREED to kill them all. Because he was Konoha’s dog.
Itachi only agreed to kill them purely because the only person he had left to guide him (Shisui) was dead which left him extremely emotinally and mentally vulnerable. Danzo then went onto use Itachi’s fear of bloodshed AND Itachi’s fear of harm coming to his brother to guilt him into thinking that massacreing the Uchiha was the only way to prevent a mass-war.
Stop ignoring the context of mentall illness and child grooming.
. A civil war? No, Konoha was worried about a civil war because they would never let the Uchiha try to break free from their oppressive regime.
Also, stop treating Danzo as a reliable narrator. This is also another reason you analysis sucks, you keep treating things that come out of character’s mouths as the absolute truth, which is why things “don’t make sense” to you. The quicker you realize bad people have awful justifications for their actions which aren’t morally/logically correct, the more a new world can open up for you.
You’re justifying shitty characters and a shitty government who thought genocide was better than actually give their people basic human rights.
Literally no one arguing against you is doing this. We’re explaining that the adults in the system are primarily to blame, in both the genocide of an ethnic minority and the grooming of a child who was set up as a pawn.
: honey, you’re literally a konoha dog, and an itachi stan, there are no excuses for killing your family, intentions good or bad, the action is still unacceptable, anti konoha, anti itachi, nardo. Source
Duh, murder is still bad. No one’s saying Itachi made the right decision. He “made” the only decision he could– the only one left of him because of the nature of his grooming and his deepest fears. It was still the wrong one to make, and the sooner you accept characters can make bad decisions due to external factors such as pressure, grooming, threats being made on them or people they care for, and so on, the sooner you can stop making shitty analysis.
Being anti itachi in 2018 is not very gucci of you. Read the novels before you attempt analysis again.
