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[dramarising-replacement]

Question for accent artists

Ok I already made a post about this but most comments seemed confused. Accent artists, would you have a problem with somebody charging a small fee (say..8k?) to preview any accent on SCRYED dragons. I know you can already preview accents of existing dragons in the dressing room, but there’s no way currently for preview them on non-existing dragons. Would this service be ok with you? Opinions please!

[nayrrad]

The only way I can think of for a 3rd party to preview an existing accent on a scryed dragon is exactly the same as if artists themselves do the preview - layering the accent .png over the scryed image. In other words, you’re probably asking the artists whether they are okay for you to download their accent .png file and sell them as service. I... don’t think that’s a good business proposal?

[dramarising-replacement]

I’m confused about how people get confused on what “If the Beastclans secure one of the three top slots, no flight will receive that slot’s bonuses.” means. It clearly says that it only affects that slot, why do people think it would affect all the slots?

[nayrrad]

@ bris-writing-desk - they were broken in the sense that even when they won a place on the top 3, they never claimed that spot, and the next flight below them took that spot instead. (eg, beastclan came 3rd and Nature came 4th, but after rollover Nature claimed the 3rd spot prize the beastclan got nothing). That bug is fixed now. It had never been any chances for beastclan to claim a spot and disable all 3 prize spots for everyone. The same line of words was there when beastclan was first introduced, and the rumor of ‘no clan will have prize if beastclan claim any spots on the top 3′ was high since day 1 of the release.

It’s just the pure result of ‘people can’t read’ and ‘a little bird told me so’.

[dramarising-replacement]

Is one day too long to make someone wait on accepting a CR? I started a trade with someone before I left for my cousin’s wedding this past weekend. I had been meaning to check back on FR throughout the day, but I was too busy with IRL stuff that I didn’t get back to the buyer until later the next day. When I messaged them, they were very rude and sarcastic to me and it started a big dramatic mess. Here’s the full story, with screenshots and all the drama. Can you please tell me if I’m in the wrong here? I can accept my part of the blame, but I also think the buyer’s reaction was unnecessary. Please correct me if I’m wrong.   I was in the Find a Dragon forums looking to sell some hatchlings when I happened upon this thread searching for a level 25 dragon. I had a dragon that met all their criteria, and I thought I’d offer it to them early that morning. (Friday, 2:26pm. keep in mind, I’m 3 hours ahead of FR time.) They responded, asking for the dragon for a full 50 gems less than I was offering. I run an art shop, however, so money has never been a huge deal to me on this site.  I saw their message and accepted their offer on Friday, 11:18pm. I went to bed shortly after. When I woke up, I saw that they had replied to me at 2:49am while I was asleep.  I sent my CR on Saturday at about 9am. I have no screenshots of this since I didn’t think I would need one at the time, but I do have the timestamp from when this user made changes to the CR. They saw the CR on Saturday, 11am. I left for the wedding (which was in the next state over, a 2 hour drive away) at 12pm. I had wanted to check back on FR a few times throughout the day, but I just didn’t have the time to do so. I logged into FR on Sunday at about 8pm, shortly after I’d gotten home from the hotel. The first thing I noticed was that I’d had several notifications, all between Saturday night and Sunday morning. Unfortunately, when i tried to read what the messages said, I was met with this. Since the buyer had canceled the trade, I had no idea what they’d been trying to tell me. So, I went back to their thread to check if maybe they’d changed their mind about the dragon. I was met with this reply Which I found to be unnecessarily sarcastic and passive aggressive. I can admit I lost my cool a tad bit here, but I unapologetically refused to be disrespected when i had done nothing wrong. It was immature of me, but I never cared about the money anyway, and why would I want to continue speaking with someone who has 0 respect for my time? They responded with this even ruder, more sarcastic, extra aggressive response. This is where I want to know what you guys think. Do you think my stance is valid? Was it fair of me to assume that they wouldn’t mind waiting a day. Again, I can admit I was a bit immature. However, the way they fail to see, or perhaps just ignore, how much of an unpleasant, sarcastic, rude person they’d been in their responses to me thus far solidifies my view of them ‘having a fit’. For my final reply, I decide to be the bigger person and apologize for the way things got out of hand, and for making them wait, despite the fact that I don’t think I’m in the wrong, I can recognize that they’re unhappy, and I can be a decent human being and apologize. Please tell me your opinion on this matter. I always want to be fair with everyone, that’s just how I am. If I was out of line, or if it was rude of me not to mention the wedding, I can own up to that. 

[nayrrad]

1. You could’ve handled better, and you already admit to that. :)

2. I don’t think you are obliged to tell them that they need to wait, unless they need to wait a few days. The time stamps of the initial messages clearly showed that there was either a slight time difference between you, or at least a different in daily routine. I’m so used to communications on FR for me takes 1 day to reach the other side, than another day to get back, so a transaction always take more than a few days to complete (unless I’m doing quick sale than I’d be online for that). This is due to time zone differences and there’s about 16 hours difference between me and most other users, but I don’t feel like I need to address beforehand, and none of the players I traded with questioned me about it either (I do apologize afterwards if it took me a day or so)

3. They shouldn’t mention they’ve waited 24 hours in the way they said it. I agree the first message can be seen as passive-aggressive. But if I would you I’d just turn around and find another buyer at the point, especially if I feel they were being rude. So I feel at the beginning you did no wrong, but by dragging this out you’re both ‘wrong’ in the end.

[dramarising-replacement]

So someone refused to sell a dragon to me for no reason other than maybe because my profile mentions that I’m genderfluid and then they sold it to someone else for less than 10% of what I was offering. It’s their loss, I guess? :|

[nayrrad]

There are a million reasons why someone don’t want to sell something to someone, and unless they actually told you that they don’t want to sell to you due to your gender, you should NOT assume that’s the reason. More often than not your gender is NOT the reason why someone don’t want to trade with you.

[dramarising-replacement]

Is it just me or...?

[nayrrad]

While I don’t see anything similar between the two characters apart from maybe how the wings are blades, and the colours kinda within the same spectrum, here’s some facts for you.

Overwatch - released May 2016, character concept art might be released to the public sometime before this. I’d say max. 2 years?

Celestial Antelope (the familiar) - judging from their placement in your hoard they are one of the first ever familiars designed by FR, existed even before the festival Sprites (and all sprites were designed before launch), meaning it existed since beta (pre-site launch). FR official launch time - June 2013.

Now who’s copying who if you’re actually serious? If you are, try harder next time.

[dramarising-replacement]

Y'all... Just stop

Ok. Please. We’ve seen this happen twice with H1 and RB. We don’t need a repeat. SS doesn’t need this. Okay, yes they charged more for an egg, but who hasn’t made a deal where they made the person pay a little bit more then an AH price?

60k? Is 60k really all it takes to create a witch hunt? Are you all really that low that you have nothing better to do then to poke and prod at someone who plays the massive user based game in a way you don’t like? Last I checked, SS did not join FR to play how you want.

If you don’t like SS, block them and move on. Don’t do sales with them, don’t contact them. If they really screw up, let FR throw out it’s ban hammer. 

C'mon guys….really.

[nayrrad]

There was also a thread in suggestion (which later got removed) suggesting that the breeder can find who bought and exalt their dragons ‘so they can message them and demand an answer to why the dragon(s) is exalted or why is it named with something they don’t approve’. Many had responded saying that the suggestion is ‘solving a harassment problem with harassment’ yet they proceed to yell at everyone saying they’ve been targeted and want to know who targeted them.

I don’t know, while I agree with your post in general that we really don’t need to bash someone over one instance over and over again, their behaviour can really improve. Many who replied were actually giving good advice on how to solve their problems (lack of treasure, spite exalts) but all SS replied were along the lines of ‘help me only in the way I asked (ie, give me treasure) or shut up’, so... well, okay. I shut up and reported their threads that got too out of hand.

*shrugs*

edit: Just want to say this happened before I realized who they are and that they had appeared in DR over some other stuff before already.

[dramarising-replacement]

A lot of people complaining about undercutting claim to understand economics, but actually…don’t. Items, in FR and real life, don’t have a set value. 

For example, I saw someone complaining on the forums that they were trying to sell “an item worth 100kt” but they could only sell it for “70kt because of undercutters.”

There is no magical list with the objective value of items. If the lowest AH listing for the item is 70kt, the item is presently worth 70kt.

If you don’t want to sell for that price, wait to see if the market changes. If it does, good job! You have the patience you’re always preaching about! If it doesn’t, too bad. Looks like you were wrong about the value of the item. 

[nayrrad]

washiwashi-leonard said: Actually, a lot of people base the worth of an item on the price listed in its description, x10. There’s also the marketplace price to consider for certain items.

But those who complained about undercutters aren’t the same people who just use the prices listed in tooltip x10 (which equals to the market price). The ones complained are the ones who want to sell something more than the market price to make a profit, and they are complaining because they cannot rip others off by the amount they want.

[dramarising]

seizure warning in coli?

what’s this? why are people saying this exists? because I sure as hell have never seen one.

send me pics of it or something I need to know it’s real

[immortalismortem-deactivated201]

I kinda wanna see screencaps of this as well. I’m an older account and never knew this existed til someone complained of it on DR.

[nayrrad]

It was added not long after FR opens, when Thrage was still with us and actively replying to threads. There was no warning to begin with, yes, but after a few complaints he quickly added the notice. There’s a tickbox you need to tick for it not to show up again, and if you did you won’t see it for the rest of your life. It’s that warning which bars people from using fairground or coli from a touchscreen device - in most cases you cannot proceed past the warning without a mouse, somehow.

[dramarising]

ARTISTS ARE NOT CODERS

SAY IT WITH ME. ARTIST ARE NOT CODERS.

STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NEW APPAREL COMING OUT AND HOW IT’S TAKING AWAY FROM THE COLI REWRITE.

ARTIST ARE NOT CODERS.

THERE IS NO CODING REQUIRED TO DRAW A SHIRT.

THERE IS CODING REQUIRED FOR A COLI REWRITE.

ARTIST =/= CODERS

Geez. At least complain about how they’re hiring more artists but not more coders if you HAVE to complain.

[zhukov-rising]

Well it does require a small bit of coding to actually implement the new item on the site, maybe that’s what they were getting at?

[erysta-blog]

Except the code for an item has already been written, it can be copied and pasted and the variables/images changed as opposed to the many hours it takes to code the coli?

[zhukov-rising]

Oh, okay. I don’t really know how code works. It is likely that the people OP is talking about are also cluelese regarding code.

[nayrrad]

It was mentioned in several news updates, that the coders had written easy-to-use codes for artists to add in new stuff, including new genes and apparels, and items. So it is very likely the OP knew what they were talking about regarding artists =/= coders because it was mentioned before.

[zhukov-rising]

That’s not what I meant. I said that the people OP was talking about, the ones who are saying that apparel updates take away from code stuff, don’t know how code works so they believe that it takes a lot of time to code in new updates.

[nayrrad]

Ah, my bad for reading your comment wrong. Yes you’re very likely right about those people thinking adding new art stuff takes a lot of coding as well. In fact, they would be correct if they said that two years ago, but FR since upgraded their system and iirc now it’s a simple form-to-fill for artists to add new stuff, which leaves coders to do the more serious job of rewriting the site. I believe they also mentioned the reason why they do not actively fixing current bugs is that those bugs will be fixed with the rewrite, so as long as the bugs don’t break the site, they don’t waste time fixing them right now.

[dramarising]

ARTISTS ARE NOT CODERS

SAY IT WITH ME. ARTIST ARE NOT CODERS.

STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NEW APPAREL COMING OUT AND HOW IT’S TAKING AWAY FROM THE COLI REWRITE.

ARTIST ARE NOT CODERS.

THERE IS NO CODING REQUIRED TO DRAW A SHIRT.

THERE IS CODING REQUIRED FOR A COLI REWRITE.

ARTIST =/= CODERS

Geez. At least complain about how they’re hiring more artists but not more coders if you HAVE to complain.

[zhukov-rising]

Well it does require a small bit of coding to actually implement the new item on the site, maybe that’s what they were getting at?

[erysta-blog]

Except the code for an item has already been written, it can be copied and pasted and the variables/images changed as opposed to the many hours it takes to code the coli?

[zhukov-rising]

Oh, okay. I don’t really know how code works. It is likely that the people OP is talking about are also cluelese regarding code.

[nayrrad]

It was mentioned in several news updates, that the coders had written easy-to-use codes for artists to add in new stuff, including new genes and apparels, and items. So it is very likely the OP knew what they were talking about regarding artists =/= coders because it was mentioned before.

[dramarising]

PSA

LuckG (not full name) the ex-plague member and infamous lore scammer has moved to Nature. They own a lore shop and never complete commissions, always, ALWAYS giving excuses of writer’s block, sickness, etc.. They take in multiple new orders when they still owe many past orders. This fuck has scammed for years and deletes threads after enough people got scammed in it, only to create a new one.

Nature doesn’t deserve this bullshit disease from plague. Not that plague deserves them either, but gdi this person just needs to fuck off. Nature doesn’t get enough good rapport as it is and now we’ve got this slimeball for a whole six months.

Whatever, just… Be wary, and I’m honestly sorry to the next flight to get this fuck. Full name in comments.

[dark-alleys]

Adding to that -

LG is such a terrible person you wouldn’t believe. He has harassed people, sent death threats, and even did enough harm to SEND SOMEONE TO A HOSPITAL.

He has supplied excuses of being mentally ill for his abhorrent behavior, and hides behind it like a shield.

Do not interact with this asshat. Do not interact with people he interacts with.

You could be in danger too.

[arandomshotinthedark]

Wait he was so bad he sent someone to the hospital? When was this? Holy shit.

Don’t forget he also downplayed my sexual assault because he was more focused on telling me that I can’t experience racism due to being white. Seriously. Nothing about ‘sorry it happened’ or anything. No, he decided it would be great (along with Zyxyz) to argue with me about the nature of my sexual assault, even though I was starting to fall the fuck apart because of the sheer cruelty of it.

http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gend/1713604/1

Here’s the thread. I refuse to actually look at it. I remember the title, but that’s it.

It’s because of that that when I see him in GD I have a very bad reaction towards him. Like that I’m threatened because he’ll harm me. This despite that I have his ass blocked. On there, here etc.

Now, I’m not certain when exactly this happened. I don’t know if this emotion has come into play because he’s been gone for a while and then came back. I don’t know. 

[czarising]

That thread is fucking sickening, what the hell. Literally I feel sick after reading that. How can people be like this

[nayrrad]

Why did I bothered to read the thread? Their comments were a bunch of nonsense and they kept trying to play word game with you, down-play your feeling and experience, and generally trying to judge you by your race. F***! Who’s the racist again white here?

It reminded me of the movie “ Zootopia ”... You get the reference.

[dramarising]

Pro-Tip: No one on Dragon Neopets, but you actually gives a shit about your sexual orientation. This is a pet site, not a dating site.

Frankly I find it pathetic so many people put such stock in who they like to fuck (or rather not fuck) that they feel strangers on the Internet give a shit. Like are you all really that insecure you need to put that on your profile?

[rantydragonlover]

I find it not pathetic, but… disturbing. It has always been private information, but now things like sexuality, mental diseases etc are waved around like flags, and I don’t understand why people do that. It’s not like sexuality says much about the person (unless you are a walking stereotype) except who they prefer to fuck (or wish to fuck in the future), and it’s pretty alarming to see it in the profiles of the minors. There is a known pedophile on site, and hell knows how many others, adding such information is downright stupid. 

I’m well over 30, male and enjoy other males immensely. Are you sure you want to greet me with “hi, I’m 14, I’m from NY, I have Asperger and I’m gay, here’s my tumblr where I have my real photo as an avatar!”, my sweet and squishy mentally unwell dragonlover boy? Internet is not a safe place, especially if you’re so willing to spill sensitive information without even being asked first. It’s too easy to pretend to be someone’s friend if you already know what they want to hear from you.

inb4 “omg nasty pedo!” - nah, I’m into older men, not interested in anyone not yet sporting at least some gray hair. However, just think of this: you don’t need to be attracted to someone in order to ruin them for some sick fun with a group of bored friends.

Don’t tell strangers anything that can make you vulnerable, kids. Even on a dragon petsite. There are Bad Dragons among these fluffy coatls.

[nayrrad]

This. Exactly.

It’s one thing to be proud of who you are (and everyone should be proud of who they are), but you just need to choose the right channel for expressing that. Parade it or wave it as a flag on a petsite is, I don’t know, not the wisest thing to do? People should be proud of themselves AS WELL AS know how to protect themselves.

[dramarising]

Pro-Tip: No one on Dragon Neopets, but you actually gives a shit about your sexual orientation. This is a pet site, not a dating site.

Frankly I find it pathetic so many people put such stock in who they like to fuck (or rather not fuck) that they feel strangers on the Internet give a shit. Like are you all really that insecure you need to put that on your profile?

[nayrrad]

While I don't think the way or words OP used were appropriate, I sort of agree to some extend. There are just too many people disclose too much about themselves on internet that scares me. Why would anyone want to share that much personal details with strangers, especially strangers they never talked with before (I mean in profiles for everyone to see). I can never understand. I can relate to wanting to share something private with someone, but I think it would be wiser to share that after you’ve talked to them first, and in private.

Following another commentor above, you’re right, personally I don’t care what your name is and what gender you are, age, where you’re from and anything personal about you. It actually makes me a bit uncomfortable knowing so much about you when I never interacted with you before.

Of course, it is a personal choice to include whatever you want in your profile, as long as it’s not against the rules, but, maybe I’m just too conservative, I just don’t feel sharing that much about your private self on internet where thousands of people can see is wise, and it irks me everytime I saw those - heck I don’t want to know that! TMI.

[dramarising]

What’s an accepted amount to tip someone if you use their dom discount shop?

I recently tipped someone a couple 10kt (like 20 or 30kt) for grabbing me a scroll, and they asked me if it was a typo, which it wasn’t.

But then it occurred to me that if I’m tipping that much, what’s the point in using a dom shop anyway? It’s not like I’m saving money by tipping that much.

But I also don’t want to undertip and I feel like it’s too rude not to tip. So what’s a good amount to tip for a service like that?

[nayrrad]

I don’t quite understand the tipping culture either, living outside US. For me it just feels strange to tip with treasure or gems since that would defeat the point of having a dom shop, and I’m not sure which dom shop you’re using but aren’t they usually charge slightly higher than their discount anyway? Either way, if I ever tip, I’d just tip with some item, like a simple apparel, a coli familiar, that sort of thing.

[dramarising]

http://dramarising.tumblr.com/post/147079298080/um-this-seems-like-a-fair-trade-gotta-love-30k

I’m? screaming? Like, yes, they may be under 13, but they also might not know much English/English isn’t their first language. Maybe don’t assume things of people before you talk shit about them.

And even if they ARE under 13, its not your place to say what they can and cannot do. Yes, they shouldn’t have signed up, if thats the case, but it doesn’t effect you, so leave it alone. If they do get banned, don’t let it be because of you. Because if it is a case of them not knowing much English/using a translator/being able to read it but not understanding how to speak it or write it/etc, if they get BANNED for being “"under 13”“ then they’re going to be really upset and confused.

[nayrrad]

You need to enter your birthday at registration. So, if a under-13-yr old who doesn’t speak English signs up, their first instinct is to lie about their birthday? Oh they might just go with the default selected date, you say, but the default date, iirc, uses the first day of current year. So, if they use default date, they’d be 6 months old at most. And I’m pretty sure that will stop them from registering.

So they lied about their age without knowing there is an age restriction? I’m not saying it’s not possible, but I’d rather believe most under-13 who signed up knew exactly what they were doing at the sign up and knew they weren’t allowed on the site in the first place.

[dramarising]

There’s a reason nobody bought anything, kid…

[orkraken]

I know it’s not socially acceptable to imply that people are poor at something any more, but …

Why on earth would you offer writing when you don’t have even a basic grasp of grammar?

I was taught how to use commas and full stops at seven years old, never mind things like capital letters.

How ..?

Is this what constant blind praise and a lack of concrit does to writing or has FR changed the age rules lately?

[nbvagabond]

There’s this thing called English as a second language

[orkraken]

Is that the case with this person? Do you know that for certain?

Regardless, the word use isn’t terrible, it’s all grammar problems. I’m pretty sure that most people who learn English as a second language are also taught basic English grammar. Furthermore, many non-English languages use the same or similar grammar conventions as English does. Capital letters, commas, full stops. All pretty normal across the board.

I know I was taught French grammar from the onset when I learned that at school and Finnish grammar comes as standard with the lessons I’ve looked into, too. I know for a fact that it does with Spanish or Italian as well.

Regardless, it being a second language does not excuse grammar this poor (the writing itself is mostly fine), especially if you’re doing it for money.

Honestly, that level of flagrant disregard for writing rules is generally seen more readily in native speakers than those who learn as a second language.

Also, asinine comments like yours are the reason I put the first line of my post in there, good grief. Stop excusing and handwaving this shit.

If you know who the writer is, gently offer them help or advice instead of letting them flounder with no comments or bites. 

[nbvagabond]

No, I don’t know that for sure, but I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt instead of posting on a drama site and laughing at them. Who knows, maybe they never got a formal education, maybe they have a learning disability, who fucking knows. It’s still no reason to be rude.

[nayrrad]

There are certain trends of grammar errors for people who speaks English as second language, and they differ from region to region. If you are from the same region these errors will be very familiar to you and can be easily spotted. I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt that this was indeed from someone whose English is not native, but at the same time they should know that their English is not good enough to ‘sell’ publicly.

Also, to be honest, such grammar errors as this one was more often seen in the writing of younger native speakers than those who speaks English as second language. Sad but I’ve seen too many native speakers who write worse than most non-speakers I know. People who learn a second language tends to treat that language more seriously when it comes to share publicly (because they always think they are not good at it since it’s not their mother tongue.)

I also felt this is probably from someone who’s relatively young, and have had praises about their writing, maybe from friends or family, so they were confident enough to believe their writing can make profit. At the same time it seems to be a DOM art shop which I can understand it’s a good time for practice. At least I adore their courage.

[dramarising]

a reg window before the site dies from the inside out… great idea staff, great idea, I’m glad you’re making sure the newbies’ first experience of the site is it going down and/or having a rollback

[nayrrad]

Wouldn’t that be a great way to introduce the new players to that ‘good old time’? Of course it would.