FYI: Ninjago Theories is dead and has been for a long time. It was simply too stressful for me to continue, so I stopped doing it. However, I still do theories and answer questions - I just do it on this blog instead, mostly because there’s less pressure for professionalism, since this is more of a personal blog.
However, considering that I’ve gotten this question many, many times in the past, I’ve decided to take the time to answer it now, just in case if I haven’t done so before. And as for the answer, it’s actually pretty simple - the spell never required all of the elements in the first place.
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee no but seriously are you people still alive or did a plot contradiction create a paradox that could have easily been avoided destroy you all?
Honestly I just really don’t care anymore. Tearing apart this show is exhausting; usually it ends up being a lot of work with few (if any) rewards. It’s also not encouraging to see “544 messages” every time you open your Tumblr inbox. (And that’s only from this blog, not any of my other sideblogs.)
Long story short? I don’t have time for long-form theories anymore, and it’s exhausting to even think about trying to write one of them. I’m literally a college sophomore now; I don’t have time to spend two to four hours typing out a theory in a concise way. (Heck, I need to do that with actual class essays, and I still don’t have time for it.)
For anybody who’s still curious about my theories, I’ll point you over to my Ninjago sideblog, @birchwoodswolf, where I do still occasionally post little theory tidbits or whatever if I think about it and I have the time.
Other than that this blog is Pretty Much Dead. I’m just not as into Ninjago as I used to be and I don’t really consider this a great use of my time anymore. Sorry. :P
So this has been bugging me for a while; What exactly is Lloyd's elemental power? In season 4 Chen refers it as "power", but in a commercial for the show they say he is the "master of all elements". Some believe his element is energy. My theory is that all elements derive from energy, which Lloyd is the master of. Because of this, he is technically the master of all elements, as well as power. But I am not sure if this is necessarily the case, which is why I wanted your opinion on the matter
Just a few days ago, I actually figured out a complete, concrete and relatively airtight system for how Ninjago’s elements generally work. I’m in the process of making a post about it right now.
I’ll just say that you’re on the right track. I’d rather save most of my remarks for the actual post.
The Hageman brothers haven't "written themselves into a corner", this wave was made on shorter notice than Rebooted after the movie was delayed by a year. Budgets had to be pulled from thin air, hence the lack of new molds bar the chain piece. There's plenty of stories left, such as aliens, evil samurai, return of the Overlord (gotta happen at some point), rock creatures, time travel, zombies, elemental beasts, and whatever's in the final ten realms.
Just gonna say this... Are aliens or zombies really what we’d want to see? Not of you ask me. Return of the Overlord would be stale too, and time travel... is not Ninjago’s strongest point. The remaining realms will be our most likely bet if you ask me.
Well, Chen and "gasp" Pythor are back! What do you theorize that their return will involve? Think Pythor is going bad again? :(
Well, I’ve been saying it for a while now, but the Hagemans have finally forced themselves into a situation where the game has been reduced to Cloud Kingdom or Bust. Unless if Chen miraculously escaped the same way Clouse did, I don’t think there’s any way to avoid using the Cloud Kingdom.
(Chen escaping the Cursed Realm doesn’t really make sense for a lot of reasons, especially considering that Clouse was alone for his entire journey from wherever-he-ended-up-in-Ninjago to Stiix. If he’d mentioned anything about wishes and Clouse wanted to or had the ability to bring Chen along, Chen would want to come along. Clouse probably didn’t want to, for one thing. He and Chen are almost perfect mirrors of Skales and Slithraa back in S1: Clouse knows he’s better than Chen and wishes to dispose of him when he can. Considering that Clouse has magical capabilities far beyond anything Chen is capable of (if he’s capable of anything at all), he was probably able to easily escape the Cursed Realm, and left Chen behind. Chen doesn’t have the ability to escape by himself; my guess is that he and Garmadon both drowned inside the Preeminent. If Chen returns, the Cloud Kingdom will have to be involved.)
As for Pythor, the story is more... complicated. It’s difficult to say exactly what angle they’ll take here. However, as far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t make sense for Pythor to willingly turn against the Ninja again. After Chen’s deception was revealed and Pythor was honored by Arcturus, the all-time greatest general of the Anacondrai tribe, I think he’s going to stay good for a long time. The only question in this case is, for one, whether he’s being bribed somehow (because if someone had a good enough incentive, Pythor would probably take it - I can’t think of a good incentive, though, honestly), or if he somehow died offscreen between the end of S4 and now.
Ultimately, there are just a lot of things that we don’t know at this point. And it’s hard to tell what his role will be, without any actual pictures of the set he supposedly appears in.
Do you know when Ninjago Masters of spinjitzu, skybound comes in the uk?? I think that's its out in the us already? Thanks
It’s been leaking from Cartoon Network Asia for the past few weeks. It still isn’t out in the US, and it won’t be until... March, I’m pretty sure? I don’t know exactly. Either way, the entire season’s out - if you search “Ninjago episode 55″ on YouTube, you should be able to find it.
I think the Hagemans said a while ago that it’ll probably be out in the UK in February, but don’t quote me on it.
could I join you? I have a record of right theories, for example Morro have connection to Wu. I really like the series.
Sorry, man, but no can do. I made this blog so my friends and I could have somewhere to post theories that isn’t Deviantart. It’s chaotic enough on here without having to worry about other people’s posts - me and Lince disagree on our interpretations of things almost as often as we agree, and it’s difficult to come to an informed consensus when we can’t talk them out very much (we live 7-8 time zones apart). Adding more people into the equation isn’t going to help anything.
Even if you do have a record of correct theories, you’ve provided no proof of that. Your Tumblr is completely empty. You’ve given me no real reason to add you, and I’m not willing to add more people at this point. :P
What do you think the future of Ninjago is? How long will go? The movie is supposedly coming out next year; Will this mean that the show will be rebooted and start over from the movie? Or will it be like with DC, where the movie universe and TV universe are separate? I imagine the sets coming out next year will be from the movie, so what about the show?
I’m one of what is likely a minority of fans who really, really hopes Ninjago will end after S7. A villain team-up season like this usually signifies that the writers are running out of ideas; unless if they start to utilize another entity, like the Cloud Kingdom (and I still don’t know why they haven’t - they’ve been avoiding it like the plague, which is disappointing), there’s not much more they can do with the elements that they already have in place. On top of that, it’s getting more difficult to include new elements, as the lore is already starting to become quite dense and incomprehensible from the weight of everything packed in it already.
As it stands, though, there’s no end in sight. I can’t remember where the source was, but LEGO has apparently said that Ninjago is one of their “evergreen themes” that releases sets every wave. A large part of what’s driving the set sales - which is the #1 factor in how long a theme lasts - is the TV show. Ninjago is immensely profitable for LEGO. If Ninjago wasn’t as successful after the pilots, and then after S1 and S2, these last four seasons wouldn’t exist at all. If Ninjago’s popularity suddenly crashes, it’ll stop being an evergreen theme, and the TV show will end once and for all.
Ultimately, it all boils down to the fact that LEGO treats the episodes as nothing more than 22-minute commercials. LEGO doesn’t care about what would be a good place for the story to end. As far as they’re concerned, if they’re still making money off of it, it’s Good and they Need More. Ninjago’s story, judging from what we know about S7, would probably best be capped at seven seasons (as I said earlier). More likely than not, though, that’s not going to happen.
As for how the movie factors into things: I have no idea how that’s going to play out, honestly. We don’t know enough about the movie for me to make that call. And as for the “sets coming out next year”: if you mean the upcoming summer wave, that’s got one set from S6 and a ton of sets from what’s most likely S7 (because I doubt that the movie would be about a villain round-up). There haven’t been leaks from any waves beyond that yet.
Why did Julien abandon Echo Zane whenever Zane and the Ninja first arrived at the Lighthouse? It seems quite cruel.
I’ve talked about this in-depth on my blog several times. Basically, he realized that there were absolutely infinitesimal odds that Zane would even want to search for him, much less actually find him. Julien made Echo to keep himself sane. He had no bad intentions; solitary confinement does shit to people, and he was alone in the lighthouse for years.
Julien lost all hope that he’d ever see Zane again. It was the only reason that he probably allowed himself to make Echo. When Zane actually did come back, against all odds - because TLV is the largest series of coincidences we’ve ever seen on the show, when you think about it - Julien was forced into a very, very tight spot with no right answer. He had exactly no room for error - one wrong move, and he’d alienate everyone around him.
By not involving Echo in the situation at all, it eliminates most, if not all, of the potential chaos that could result from the encounter. There’s far too much potential for hurt feelings and there’s not nearly enough time to explain them away. The only bad thing that could result from Julien leaving Echo in the basement (at least on Julien’s end) would be that Julien would have to live with a guilty conscience that he left him behind. If he’d let Echo get involved, who even knows what would’ve happened? Zane would probably never look Julien in the eye again.
Now, I’m not saying he made the right choice, because there is no right choice; I’m also not saying he made a good choice, because there is no good choice. I’m saying that Julien made the best choice available to him out of several bad options.
There are other things I could use to “justify” his decision, but ultimately I don’t think it deserves to be justified. This was Julien’s choice, after all. If he wants to come back and explain it himself, that’s fine by me.
Just read your thoughts on the season finally, and I agree wholeheartedly. One thing though about the elemental masters: When Jay gets sucked into the sword, we actually see Griffin Turner in there, which could mean that Nadakhan went after the other elemental masters to power his Soul Blade (not Skylor, since she no longer has an element). Its sort of an excuse for them not being there in s6, but they definitely could have helped out in s5. Hopefully they will all be back for the final season.
See, the thing is, Turner is actually a plot hole, mostly because I don’t trust the Hageman bros to know their own show anymore. I have, once and for all, accepted that I know the show better than the writers do. (And LEGO’s still not paying me to run the theory blog, which adds a huge amount of undeserved hype for the show. Come on, if I have to watch the writers ruin everything, I at least want to be earning a bit of cash for it.)
Turner has powers over time, not speed. The thing that I take issue with with Turner is that it’s all just a little too convenient to have the Elemental Master who can control time get stuck in a sword in an alternate timeline.
Naturally, they’re never going to explain this. I’ve accepted that. But the Elemental Masters are never going to come back in canon, either - they’ve gotten their one-season-of-interaction, so it’s time for a new cast of characters to come along. We’ll fall in love with them, and then they’ll disappear into Side Character Hell once they’re no longer useful.
Again, how is Griffin Turner being in the sword a contradiction of canon? If anything, it’s a cameo/shout-out/easter egg joke. You also talk like he’s still stuck in the sword, like the alternate timeline is still a thing that’s ongoing, but it isn’t. Nadakhan rewound time- everything he did with the sword has effectively never happened, aside from Jay and Nya retaining all of their memories.
A contradiction of canon and a plot hole are not the same thing. A plot hole is merely a gap in logical reasoning - things that happen with no explanation whatsoever given. No contradiction of canon has to be involved at all.
For instance, there’s another plot hole in the last two episodes: Why can only the Ninja make wishes from Nadakhan? They could’ve easily had 18 more wishes to work with from everybody who came to rescue Nya (Ronin, Echo, Skyl*r, Dareth, Soto, and the police commissioner). That would’ve been more than enough to undo all of the other bad wishes individually, and Jay could’ve used his last wish to save Nya’s life instead of resetting time.
So now let’s go back to Turner: if Turner can control time, he can jump between timelines as he pleases. And if he can jump between timelines as he pleases, why is he stuck in the sword in an alternate timeline?
That’s why I consider it a plot hole. There’s no contradiction of canon involved. The writers are never going to come back and explain it, though (unless if it’s weirdly relevant on a next-level meta sense, which I doubt it will be).
"if I have to watch the writers ruin everything" you don't though?
Oh yes I do~
Anon, you forget that people would riot if I stopped posting on this blog :) Because it’s happened before :)
And after all of my S7 theories have been trashed and it continues to grow less and less likely by the day that my backups will work, I think I deserve a little time to talk about exactly how little the writers care :)
Just read your thoughts on the season finally, and I agree wholeheartedly. One thing though about the elemental masters: When Jay gets sucked into the sword, we actually see Griffin Turner in there, which could mean that Nadakhan went after the other elemental masters to power his Soul Blade (not Skylor, since she no longer has an element). Its sort of an excuse for them not being there in s6, but they definitely could have helped out in s5. Hopefully they will all be back for the final season.
See, the thing is, Turner is actually a plot hole, mostly because I don’t trust the Hageman bros to know their own show anymore. I have, once and for all, accepted that I know the show better than the writers do. (And LEGO’s still not paying me to run the theory blog, which adds a huge amount of undeserved hype for the show. Come on, if I have to watch the writers ruin everything, I at least want to be earning a bit of cash for it.)
Turner has powers over time, not speed. The thing that I take issue with with Turner is that it’s all just a little too convenient to have the Elemental Master who can control time get stuck in a sword in an alternate timeline.
Naturally, they’re never going to explain this. I’ve accepted that. But the Elemental Masters are never going to come back in canon, either - they’ve gotten their one-season-of-interaction, so it’s time for a new cast of characters to come along. We’ll fall in love with them, and then they’ll disappear into Side Character Hell once they’re no longer useful.
Because his character has a crazy amount of potential to do so many cool things with the show! He has the power to change anything - he can set up any kind of cool scenario for the Ninja to work their way out of. And he can also fix whatever problems the Hageman bros can’t think of reasons to fix themselves.
They really should be using and abusing the kind of power they gave themselves with Fenwick, but they’re not, and it pisses me off! Other authors would kill for this kind of power over their plots, myself included! But the Hagemans have this power and aren’t using it!
Sorry, I’m just really pissed at the S6 finale in general right now. Because that’s another instance of where Fenwick could have fixed everything in a much more satisfying way, but the Hagemans chose to take matters into their own hands and retcon an entire season. :)
I’m complaining because all of the awesome stuff that happened this season ended up not happening in the canon timeline. It’s lazy writing.
There are literally an infinite number of ways that the last episode could have gone without resetting the entire season:
Jay could’ve wished for all of the wishes to be reversed.
If the sword worked differently such that he couldn’t have freed his friends by going inside it, he could have wished them free and then had a curb-stomp battle with a poisoned Nadakhan.
Hell, the Dream Team could’ve pounded him into the ground and then wished them free.
He could’ve made a sacrifice - his life in exchange for Nya’s - or just straight-up brought Nya back from the dead. Since the omitted rule that you can’t bring back the dead was never explicitly stated - and they aggressively danced around it, which is why I thought it would be relevant later - it would probably work.
He could’ve wished that other people besides the Ninja could wish for things (which was a plot hole in the first place) and get rid of him via the 18 new wishes on his side from the Dream Team.
There we go: that’s five ways off the top of my head that the finale could’ve gone while still leaving the timeline intact. And all of these ways are without even mentioning the Cloud Kingdom, which could fix any and all remaining problems and more. Rocks and debris raining from the sky? Ninjago’s dealt with worse, who cares. Dead people who weren’t supposed to die? Fenwick will probably fix that himself. Dead Ninja? Ask Fenwick nicely!
It’s lazy writing to - quite literally - wish it all away so they can ignore it in future seasons. Have you even seen what S6 essentially comes down to now? Because I put it together! Here’s everything that’s canon of S6, in all of its twelve minutes of glory!
It has nothing to do with character development, or anything within canon, and I won’t deny that the finale was awesome! But it’s the laziest writing I’ve ever seen on a show that’s become known for its lazy writing from S3 onward.
That’s why I take issue with the S6 finale. Because the episode was good, sure. But there were other ways they could’ve solved it without retconning it all away.
And since they’ve retconned it all away? It guarantees that we’ll never see any of the characters that were introduced in S6 ever again! Flintlocke, Dogshank, Clancee, Monkey Wrench, and probably the biggest fan favorite, Echo Zane - we can kiss all of them goodbye! Just like Morro, just like the Elemental Masters, just like every side character that has never interacted with the Ninja for very long at a stretch - they’re gone.
Since the timeline has been erased from a point before they were even introduced, they’re now guaranteed to be permanently irrelevant, because the Ninja would have to actually work to get them back, and, ha, are you kidding me, that’s not going to happen. Neuro said to just give them a call if they ever needed help - the easiest possible way to leave a path to bring them back - and even when shit hit the fan in S6, they still didn’t come back. The Ninja would have to actually work to go back to the Lighthouse, or to find the realms that Nadakhan’s pirates are trapped in; if the Elemental Masters can’t come back, there’s no way anybody introduced in this season would.
I’m done. Back to hoping that Fenwick will be relevant again, at some point in time. (That’s the only thing I can allow myself to hope for at this rate.)
Do you think there are other lands apart of Ninjago? That could explain why there is a port at Ninjago, and the maps would be from the continent of Ninjago. Also, some characters have accents.
Ever since S4 aired, I’ve been slowly-but-surely growing to support the idea that LEGO Ultra Agents takes place in the same world/realm as Ninjago - the continents are probably extremely far apart such that neither realm has ever made contact with the other, but it would potentially explain how Chen actually found Toxikita, Paleman, etc. in the first place, and how they’d all already reached their True Potentials.
(Keep in mind, though, that Stiix could be a port for other reasons, possibly because there are more port cities scattered around that we haven’t seen. If there’s one port, there’s bound to be more, and a port would definitely help stimulate the economy in or around Stiix and other port towns.
It’s implied, for instance, that Ninjago City also used to be a small port before it grew into a sprawling metropolis (pretty much Ninjago’s equivalent of New York City, in other words). Most likely, Ninjago City was a port off of the Sea of Sand, which used to be a rather large sea, but then it dried up. Trade made the city grow rich; that’s why it’s so much more developed than other regions of NInjago.)
And it could potentially explain why Clancee hasn’t used any of his wishes yet, too. Though I can’t exactly justify why this would be the case on the spot...
