Not A Pit Bull

Anti-BSL, pro-APBT, anti-irresponsible ownership, pro-education. I don't respond to hate. I don't support dog-fighting. I won't deny or cover up the breed's usage, so you'll see informational posts about it and photos of fighting dogs.

[badluckbadger]

In the past:

People: my dog is a pitbull/pitbull mix!

Me: could be, but you know most bully breeds people have arent actually pitbulls

Me now, without even knowing what their dog looks like: no it aint

[responsiblepitbulladvocates]

that post from "notapitbull" using belgian shepherds as a example for how it's stupid to group bully type under the name "pitbull" is kinda wrong tho... the belgian shepherds are only distinguished by coat type and color, when long haired pups show up in a litter of malinois they are registered as tervueren or laekenois if they're wire haired (which happens bc they're recessive) so it's really not the best example, belgian shepherds really are just one breed with different lines

In that post they actually do state that while all of the Belgian Shepherds are officially recognized / registered individually still they are each varieties of the former.

Anyway, this is for @notapitbull, and it is regarding your post “Your definition of the word pit bull is stupid”

In the future when you have issues with a post by a Tumblr user that you know by name it would probably be best if you were to contact them directly.

[notapitbull]

Perhaps a better example would be to say that Chessies, Labrador Retrievers, Curly-Coated, and Flat-Coated Retrievers are all Labs because they look similar?

[gotbulldog]

Couple photos from the show this past weekend(Palmetto State NC)

The 2 brindle dogs really close are playing, they are related.

[gumch]

heres an unpopular dog opinion that a lot of animal lovers need to hear because im sick and tired of people misrepresenting these dogs:

Bullies are naturally reactive and have a higher chance of that becoming aggression. NO you should not leave them alone with your children. NO you should not let it play with your bunny. NO you should not put your face all up in its mouth because The Dodo facebook said its fine

That doesnt mean theyre bad dogs at all. i own a BBM and theyre great, just not in the hands of a “see no evil of my baby to avoid the stigma so ill pretend its issues dont exist" furmom. These dogs are very powerful (how you choose to help them channel that- negatively or positively, can result in if it will manifest as aggression) They have a limit and if you refuse to acknowledge what theyre capable of because you just want to desperately see people hate them less (its understandable) then you could provoke it, and by extension making a bad name for the breed in believing some ideal fantasy that these dogs are fully harmless gentle lumps capable of no wrong. All dogs are capable of biting and being aggressive and some breeds are more likely to behave aggressively due to mishandling and misunderstandings THIS IS A FACT

For instance, huskies, border collies, hounds: high prey drive, instinctually want to chase and capture/kill etc. BBMS, pitbulls, kangals, GSDs, rottweilers, akitas, and cane corsos: known to be human aggressive (often because people breed aggressive lines and dont understand its high chance of heritability- how they percieve environments and stimuli and how theyre naturally inclined to react). how a dog is raised does play a part but to deny that certain breeds have a natural disposition to behave a certain way is foolish and ignorant. Theyre more likely to act out against people because they are guardian breeds, and thats what they do

Even hyperactivity when theyre in an excited state can sometimes result in bites (I have been bit HARD several times by both Sadie - BBM- and Samson - rottweiler when playing and they realized what they did immedietely afterward) both of these dogs have the most intense bite pressure of any other breed- a whopping 300 pounds. thats more than enough to break an arm off like a toothpick . If you cannot accept this or understand this is what theyre capable of in play and on accident, then you probably should reconsider owning one.

they need healthy and responsible outlets for their energy and high drive tendencies so they can live healthy happy lives

Learn about breed specifics, learn to read body language, educate people before somebody considers adopting a BBM and how they should truly be fully prepared for their new dog and to evaluate if theyre prepared for it bully quirks and all

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[cynological]

Preach it.

[responsiblepitbulladvocates]

Below are photographs of dogs I collected from Petfinder, available for adoption through several different animal shelters & rescue organizations. One important thing that each of these dogs unfortunately have in common is that they are all listed as “Pit Bulls” / “Pit Bull Terriers” or “Pit Bull mixes”.

I specifically picked out several individual dogs that could understandably face being incorrectly identified as Pit Bulls, and I also picked out several other individual dogs that should leave us scratching our heads wondering what possessed anyone to list them as Pit Bulls. 

So I have each dog individually numbered to make it easier for those who would like to comment on any of these dogs in particular.

Sure, some of these dogs undeniably have some bully breed features, but that does not make a dog a Pit Bull or even a Pit Bull mix. Several of these look an awful lot like American Bullies (the less exaggerated lines), which are often incorrectly labeled / wrongfully referred to as Pit Bulls.

Some of these dogs do have secondary breeds listed along with Pit Bull Terrier, but it does not take away the fact that these dogs are advertised as Pit Bulls, which is a serious problem. This should at least somewhat illustrate the wide array of different physical characteristics among what dogs are considered Pit Bulls these days by animal shelters, rescue organizations & the general public.

Just think about all of the dogs that are killed in animal shelters for being Pit Bulls, or rather – for being misrepresented as Pit Bulls. It is no wonder why they are killed in such high numbers.

What’s a Pit Bull? by www.TheRealAPBT.blogspot.ca

Pit Bull Phenotyping: A Guide by notapitbull

Misrepresentation is a Killer by notapitbull

Your Dog is Not a Pit Bull: A Guide by notapitbull

[responsiblepitbulladvocates]

Reblogging this old post for new viewers

[notapitbull]

Imagine how many of these dogs will be turned away because of the label the shelter gave them. Imagine how many people will get these dogs and determine that because “my beagle cross Pit Bull is good with cats, it’s all how you raise them!”

I see this phenomena often with owners of so-called Malinois and Mal crosses in shelters, and anyone with a Husky or Malamute mix who claims their dog is a wolfdog.

[notapitbull]

Someone in my area is raging on Facebook because they let their friend watch their American Bully, who then sold the dog to someone, and that third person refuses to return the dog.

The dog is apparently papered, but because the owner insists on calling the dog a Pit Bull (in an area with BSL), none of the police officers who have been called want to touch it with a 50 foot pole (that would mean they’re getting involved with returning an illegally owned, banned breed back to its owner).

Despite being told multiple times to get a lawyer, get their papers showing it’s an American Bully (might get some leeway that way), and have a letter written up claiming they will sue for the dog or the cost of the dog, they deny all help and continue claiming the blue bi-color dog is a “Pit Bull” and get nowhere.

The sad thing is, if they continue on this route and the police do eventually get involved, the dog will be confiscated and put to sleep.

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink..

[responsiblepitbulladvocates]

For the naming / labeling, I know that you are against calling dogs of unknown ancestry Pit Bulls / pit bull types because it is a breed name. However, wouldn't calling a shelter mutt a "bully breed mix" bring misconception to what an American Bully is as well? I'm just wondering. Nothing against the label, but I do wonder if a situation like that can happen.

Hi. This is a great question, and I appreciate you asking it, surely the very same has crossed the minds of others.

“Bully breed” isn’t so much of a label, it is an actual breed type/category that several different yet similar breeds fall under, including the American Bully. Take hounds for example, Beagle, Redbone Coonhound and Scottish Deerhound, all different breeds but all hounds, just as the American Bulldog, American Pit Bull Terrier, and English Bulldog are all bully breeds, and in one way or another descend from the original bulldog. Another way one could phrase it is “bull breed” or even “bulldog”, although the ancient name “bulldog” seems to have lost its meaning with the English Bulldog of today. Most people seem to prefer “bully breed”, with it being more of the “umbrella term” that Pit Bull never was.

In the case of shelter dogs, “bully breed” is a broader and more effective way to identify individual dogs based on their breed characteristics without having to narrow it all the way down to just one specific breed. Like “shepherd mix” or “hound mix”.

And when it comes to the American Bully, it isn’t exactly a household breed name like Pit Bull, Lab or Yorkie, and I believe that is directly to the fact that American Bullies are often passed off as Pit Bulls by their breeders, whether the breeders know they are breeding American Bullies and misrepresenting them, or they truly believe their dogs are Pit Bulls and just have a distorted perception of what a real APBT is.

But end point, I personally have never come across that issue, and I really don’t think it’ll be a problem. That is just my take though. But I hope this helps

[notapitbull]

Yet another bully breed mauls a child (this time in Texas) and yet again... people come out of the woodwork saying the dog was “surprised” and that the dog “bit” the child, and are trying through petitions to keep the dog from being euthanized.

We need to stop this nonsense. If this were any other breed or mix of dog, I highly doubt so many defenders would come out to defend the dog, but because this is a stigmatized breed, it’s the end of the world.

They claim the dog bit the child, when in actuality it mauled a child so severely that fat tissue was visible in the wound.

I’m a strong advocate of euthanizing dogs who maul people, especially children. This is a view that I will not change. We need to stop the perpetual defenders from trying to keep manbiters alive, it’s just not right. All that happens is that it fuels the belief that owners of bully breeds have manbiters and their dogs attack children.

[notapitbull]

Very interesting thread about fight prevention with APBT and other bully breeds.

[bullybreedappreciationblog]

So Embark is beginning to be able to determine the difference between APBT and AmStaff. Right now this is not available for mixes, including Pitterstaffs, who will just come up under the group label Staffordshire Terrier.

If you have the money and have a purebred, registered APBT, AmBully, or AmStaff with a pedigree consider using Embark to help expand their reference panel for these breeds.

If they’re able to implement this more widely, and for mixed breeds, it can be a huge step towards stopping misrepresentation and helping a lot of dogs.

[notapitbull]

This is literally the most inbred pedigree I've ever seen. I've seen a lot of inbred dogs, and I don't have anything against inbreeding itself, but this is just overkill. I have absolutely no idea why the UKC allows these dogs to win (see the PR titles?) let alone compete.

I colour coded the inbreeding, with the colour becoming more intense the more inbred that generation is.

You've got siblings mated with siblings for multiple generations. The entire dog is composed of sibling-sibling breeding, there's almost no unique dogs in the pedigree. I've never seen anything like this.

This is only what's visible on this page, I didn't even bother going further back. The ones coloured with blue are dogs where I couldn't see further back, so I don't know if they're inbred.

I circled Kimbo in black so you could pick him out. The pedigree is very large.

[battle-crossed-working-dogs-blog]

Just a reminder for everyone to stay the fuck away from this dog and his bloodline. This American bully is UKC most wanted kimbo. His offspring and dogs bred down from him are notorious for snapping. And they always get reported as pit bulls. Do the apbt community a favor and blacklist this breeder.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmericanBully/comments/6p5pfi/two_more_recent_attacks_by_american_bullies/

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmericanBully/comments/2cqczw/another_kimbo_related_attack/?st=j5hk4hrt&sh=015b41d8

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmericanBully/comments/21ng0d/awareness_announcement_about_recent_attack_by/?st=j5hk8vm0&sh=83d09ea8

List of some attacks. There have been more than 10. The dog is inbred too.

[wolverinequeen]

Shit, I’ve heard of this from FB groups before, that “Kimbo pups” had grow up and needed to be euth’d, didn’t know the breeder’s pups had actually killed some people :( Shouldn’t he be responsible of that? If he’s knowingly producing pups that have tendencies for being dangerous unstable you’d think legally he’d have something done to him? I dunno, but that’s pretty sad. 

Shitty they get labeled as APBTs too. The breeder keeps making those unstable puppies and his dogs have brought on BSL in places I’m sure :/

[ephuyrie-deactivated20180427]

http://www.bullypedia.net/americanbully/printable_pedigree.php?id=239670&gens=7&images=no

Here’s the pedigree of one of the Kimbo dogs that was shot and killed by police,

Jesus christ Kimbo’s pedigree is more confusing than the house of Hapsburg.

[wolverinequeen]

Damn, that is a fucked up pedigree. The pedigree is huge on my laptop so I had to scroll slowly through and try and keep track, but it looks like a whole multiple linage of brother x sister and father x daughter matings up the ancestry. 

Would excessive inbreeding increase the risk of aggressive instability?  I find that with Bullies, people seem totally fine bottlenecking the genetics with continuous sibling and parent matings. I regularly see ads for American Bullies in local Hoobly sales with titles like this :

^ That’s a “Daddy Daughter” breeding ad near my local area for puppies (I cropped it to show the relevant details, only because the whole ad had their personal information plastered on it.) 

People in Bully FB groups are crazy for chasing sires too. Some of these popular sires have thousands of puppies, which go on to become popular sires themselves. You see ads for pedigree sires like “Miagi x5″ - meaning he appears 5 times in the pedigree of that litter. 

I know with inbreeding, if bad genes are already floating around or hidden, they’ll proliferate in number when you continue doing it and not cull those negative traits out. 

I wonder what these kennel clubs for Bullies will do about Kimbo and his offspring if more issues arise? 

[handsomedogs]

I read an article where a man almost got evicted from his apartment for having a pit bull, which is stupid because pittys are snuggle bugs, but worth noting that he argued it wasn't a pit bull but an American Bulldog. Seems people don't realize that 'pit bull' is not a specific breed but refers to a group of breeds that share common characteristics including, American Bulldog, Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, and Bull terrier . And they are all full of love.

Typically in North America (and with people knowledgeable about dogs), “pit bull” refers to the American Pit Bull Terrier, which is its own breed.

Elsewhere and with the general public, “pit bull type” can refer to all bully breeds which are stocky with block heads.

I’m linking Wiki pages here because they are easy to understand. Feel free to read more about this topic through Google though!

Just a side note, BSL often covers all bully breeds and “pit bull type” dogs rather than just APBT. (and BSL sucks.) -C

[battle-crossed-working-dogs-blog]

Pit bull is absolutely a specific breed and it is only by the idiocy of the general public that people think otherwise.

[wolverinequeen]

I’ve seen people call labs pit bulls. I’ve seen sharpeis called pit bulls. Usually by shelters, but also random people “hey is that a pit bull?”

[notapitbull]

Just popping in to say that the man with his dog wouldn't become evicted (or have his dog removed even if he lived in an area with BSL) if he called his dog what it is: an American Bulldog, and not a banned breed: American /Pit Bull/ Terrier.

I've noticed that the term "Pit Bull" has become so diverse that any mix with non-erect ears and a short coat is a "Pit Bull" to some people.

[battle-crossed-working-dogs-blog]

Why arn't the Sorrel's people good?

Well I may be going a bit far in saying that. There is nothing wrong with tatonka herself for the most part. But I do not like her friendship with the known snitch and dog theif Diane jessup who has done nothing but bad things for the breed. Not to mention her sorrells dogs are little more than show ponies.  A good amstaff or ukc dog can do anything just as good. I disapprove of dog fighting. But even in other countries no one uses tatonka blood. Hog hunters do not either. If she wanted to improve the grit of her stock she would import some golden king dogs. Tatonka is a nice person who is always willing to help.  She is just friends with the wrong people. I trust Diane jessup about as much as I would trust Irish jerry. 

[notapitbull]

This was the most amusing thing to me regarding Diane.

She worked with AC to confiscate from so-called dog-fighters and then just picked through and chose the dogs for herself. When that wasn't enough for her, she started seeking out game lines..???

That's why you won't see me praising Diane or her books on this blog. The whole situation leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[gotbulldog]

apbt

circa 1910

[spiritodelravanello-deactivated]

Se vedi in giro un apbt o un ast con il cropping, cioè parte dell’orecchio tagliato, ricorda che è una scelta arbitraria dell’allevatore o del proprietario, basata su un fattore estetico. Agli inizi, essendo razze da combattimento, il cropping si praticava per una questione sanitaria, per esempio le infezioni da morso e strappo dell’orecchio possono far diventare il cane sordo. Se cammini per viale Libia e vedi un apbt con il cropping, al guinzaglio di un ragazzino o di una donna, un cane dal pelo lucido, le unghie tagliate, leggermente sovrappeso, ricorda che il suo padrone o il suo allevatore hanno bloccato la qualità di selezione della razza compiendo una pratica assolutamente inutile su quel cane. Il cropping sui cuccioli impedisce di capire quali di loro porteranno le orecchie a rosa e quali dritte e, nel dubbio, poiché il mercato paga bene per esemplari (oltre che con il cropping) con orecchie a rosa e solo per quelli, si tagliano le orecchie di tutti. Quando si accoppiano due cani con il cropping, la loro cucciolata subirà probabilmente al 90% lo stesso trattamento perché non si sa quale tipo di orecchio il genitore porta. Se tutti gli amanti di pit o ast chiedessero cuccioli con le orecchie integre, sarebbe una gigantesca carezza per la razza e un passo in più verso una modifica positiva per lo standard.

[gotbulldog]

Cropping wasn’t used when the dogs were still matched because dogmen believed that leaves an opening for injury. 

And i’d also like to break it to you… most people with apbt don’t crop as often as you would think c;

Also cute anti-crop on a post that has nothing to do with the ears.

[notapitbull]

I can't read the second response, but I just wanted to add that yes, dogfighters did/still do crop fighting dogs. The belief was that the opposing dog would have one less thing to hold onto, and some dogs have specific holds they prefer like the ear. However, there was the opposing side who believes that it leads the eardrum open for injury, which isn't really physically possible in any case.

Ch. Strider, DblGrCh. Tornado, Ch. Alligator, Red Boy, Blind Billy (though kind of hard to tell, so maybe not), Dibo, Spike, Jeff, Polly, and Cracker are just a few that came to mind.

I think half the trouble of it was finding someone willing to do that (which meant finding a vet who would work with dog-fighters, there were some!!) or doing it yourself and risking fucking it up.

[babyanimalgifs]

[notapitbull]

Look at these bullerinas!

[peejuanbird-blog]