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[sourinartt]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRqj5BVD/ ss fans and their delusions💀

hi

the way I can disprove it even without looking at the manga is downright humiliating

"He was so jealous of Rock Lee" false

Below are Sasuke's "reaction" before and after Rock Lee confessed his feelings for Sakura

At first, he just stood there wondering what he was doing, since Sasuke was about to fight the guard who had put a genjutsu on them, and Lee stepped in to stop him After confessing, Sasuke's only reaction, even though he was an annoying jokester was to Neji

Because this is where all that prodigy vs prodigy stuff comes into play lol

The only thing he cares about regarding Lee is that his arm healed quickly

It's incredible how sasusaku fans, especially Sakura fans, misinterpret Sasuke so much just to get some confirmation of their ship

It's almost unbelievable because they take Naruto out of Sasuke's thoughts

Throughout the entire fight, Sasuke felt weak, weak because he couldn't fight and protect his teammates...Gaara reinforces that he doesn't have enough courage to fight, he's weak, he lacks hatred, something that reminds itachi of sasuke

This is further reinforced when we see Sasuke talking about protecting HIS TEAMMATES, not Sakura alone, teammates because he no longer wants to lose what is valuable to him, bearing the entire burden, only fueling Naruto's courage to protect him and Sakura

It's a moment where we know Sasuke loves his teammates, but at the same time he feels weak and inferior, and that's what bothers him so much, especially after seeing Naruto fighting Even though he was injured and tired, and Sasuke was holding him back, Orochimaru's cursed seal could do nothing but watch

"He was so jealous of Naruto because of her" False again

The only jealousy Sasuke feels is towards Naruto and his unknown, immense strength, because before Naruto was a failure and out of nowhere he's gaining even more strength and resolve than him, Even though he was so weak he was able to protect him, Sakura, the village

This makes Sasuke feel useless again, and his feelings of inferiority grow again, causing him to train and train, not because of Sakura It's because he wants to become stronger

they're delusional like the hell I'm laughing right now

"I was so jealous that she was paying attention to Naruto and not him :(" MY STOMACH IS GOING TO EXPLODE FROM LAUGHING. THESE PEOPLE ARE DELUSIONAL WITHOUT EVEN READING THE MANGA

Getting serious, no, that's not true

Sasuke was always the most observant and calculating member of the team, and he immediately noticed that Sakura was acting strangely because she didn't feel ready to take the exams There's nothing wrong with this, and it's not something to shout about with excitement; it's literally basic since they're teammates. Sasuke then compliments her, which makes her feel more confident

If she doesn't gain confidence, they'll never be able to take the chunin Exams so thank you, Sasuke!

Well at this point I think the person behind the account is just projecting their own thoughts because nothing here proves that Sasuke is jealous because he loves sakura

The phrase Sasuke says isn't for Naruto, it's for Lee. Sasuke receives such a beating from Lee that he realizes there are stronger and more prepared genin

Both Sasuke and Naruto are surprised to see Lee's knuckles and his determination to train so hard, to the point that he tests himself against the best on his list; one of them was Sasuke, whom he defeated

Naruto makes Sasuke realize this: there are stronger genin waiting around the corner, and no matter how famous your name is, they'll come after you, and you must be ready! Contrary to what these people are saying, Naruto hurt Sasuke. In reality, Naruto's words excited Sasuke. There are stronger genin, and Sasuke is ready to defeat them and join the fight and take the exams

he literally laughs and trembles with excitement

And that's where I end; the rest of that person's argument is too stupid to even watch

"He's jealous that Sakura is helping Naruto." No, he's telling Naruto that he can't even walk on his own

"Jealous because Kakashi protected Sakura and not him, no, he's seeing that Kakashi "stole" his intentions, but it doesn't matter because later he's recognized for it

the hair thing is so silly I don't even know what to say, where did they get it from?

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It's truly insane that so many people believed such a nonsensical post

I think that proves that none of them read the manga ~⁠ ⁠•́⁠ ⁠ₒ⁠ ⁠•̀⁠ ⁠~⁠ 

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they exactly where they want to be

[sa2sugu]

*still hasn’t watched the show but draws them anyway*

[themidnights0ngart]

lil menma and his family sketch

[badgalsasuke]

Hello!! I hope you're okay. I'd like to know what you think about this. It's from an nh fan. I guess he added it to replace the argument that Naruto only fell in love because of a genjutsu!

It's in spanish, but it talks about how the fourth mizukage, who being a jinchuriki, could fall into a genjutsu

Hi!

For non-spanish speakers the collage says:

In the manga we've seen more than one case where a "perfect" jinchuuriki falls under genjutsus. The fourth mizukage, perfect jinchuuriki of the three tails fell under "Madara's" (Obito) genjutsu and no one knew until Ao saw it with his byakugan. This is because it wasn't just Yagura under a genjutsu but also Igoro, so he couldn't free Yagura from the genjutsu. 1st example of jinchuurikis falling under genjutsus

Let's clarify first the three tails name isn't Igoro, it's Isobu.

So now let's see the manga panels and how consisten Kishimoto is regarding jinchuurikis, tail beasts and genjutsus

According to Danzo only four shinobi have achieved true control over the tailed beasts; Madara, Hashirama, Yagura and Killer Bee. Eventually, Naruto would become the fifth to do so.

It's also true that Yagura fell under a Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu from Obito becoming his puppet.

But so did Killer Bee when he fought Sasuke and yet he was able to break free from it.

After breaking free from Sasuke's genjutsu Killer Bee, one of the perfect Jinchuuriki explains about how he can't fall under genjutsu because his tailed beast will liberate him from it. Was Obito's genjutsu stronger than Sasuke's and that's why Obito was able to control Yagura?

So how does this work? did Kishimoto forget the rules of his own universe or is there a difference in Yagura's genjutsu? First let's explain the difference over having perfect control over a biju and being a perfect jinchuuriki, we'll review each individual case Danzo mentioned in this post.

Madara is one of the shinobi that according to Danzo achieved "true control of the biju" but when we see scenes of Madara fighting alongside Kurama all he did was put the kyuubi under a genjutsu. Here's where the claim of those who achieved control of the biju becomes interesting but also contradictory.

Madara didn't go through the process of "purification ceremonies" like Killer Bee and Naruto did.

We know Naruto had to face "Dark Naruto" and come to terms with his resentment and anger he had bottled up over the years to conquer his hatred, a fundamental part of the process of becoming a perfect jinchuuriki (otherwise the hatred of the kyuubi would consume Naruto and Kurama would break free from the seal) we know neither Madara nor Hashirama went through when they were controlling the kyuubi.

Killer Bee explains that after conquering your hatred the next step to become a perfect jinchuuriki is to steal the chakra from the kyuubi with your own chakra (or someone else's chakra). Madara didn't do this because he was not a perfect jinchuuriki, he just achieved control over the biju thanks to the mangekyou sharingan genjutsu (and since Kurama did not have a jinchuuriki to pull him out of it he couldn't liberate himself from it)

In Naruto's case, Killer Bee was supposed to be the one who helped him steal Kurama's chakra with his the eight-tails' chakra but after some difficulties it ends up being Kushina's chakra what helps him gain control over the kyuubi.

So this is how Naruto managed to become a perfect jinchuuriki in a process just like Killer Bee's, conquering his hatred and achieving true inner peace after meeting his mother.

Additionally, we get a very brief explanation of Mito becoming Jinchuuriki because Hashirama had obtained the biju.

So Hashirama wasn't a jinchuuriki either. Mito was the jinchuuriki who lent the kyuubi's strength to Hashirama. But he didn't go through any of the process to become of perfect jinchuuriki either because he wasn't a jinchuuriki to begin with. So what Danzo explains as "having perfect control over the biju" is not the same as "being a perfect jinchuuriki", it means you can bind or control the kyuubi or whatever other tailed beast you encounter, Hashirama used his wood kekkei genkai and then Mito sealed the beast inside herself and Madara used a mangekyou sharingan genjutsu, which is what Obito did as well with Kurama after Naruto's birth

Now, here's the thing Yagura is never stated to be a perfect jinchuuriki like the collage you sent me claims, he's stated to be one of the four shinobi who had achieved perfect control over the biju. The only shinobi we know that achieved perfect jinchuuriki status are Killer Bee and Naruto, who even unseal their tailed-beast after strenghtening their bond and trusting each other to that degree.

But then, the question is how come Yagura had perfect control over his tailed beast but still fell under Obito's genjutsu? because Killer Bee stated "genjutsu don't work against jinchuuriki hosts who have perfect control over their biju."

Yagura is a jinchuuriki and allegedly had perfect control over his biju. So even if Yagura wasn't a perfect Jinchuuriki he shouldn't have fallen under a genjutsu.

When Kisame meets the fourth Mizukage and realizes he's being controlled under someone's genjutsu he points out that those "ocular powers [are] great enough to control the jinchuuriki of the three tails"

So in canon, Obito's mangekyou sharingan is meant to be so strong he's able to put both the Mizukage and his tailed-beast under a genjutsu neither can snap the other out of it. Basically, Kishimoto is framing this case as a very exceptional exception that others (like Sasuke) wouldn't be able to pull off.

But if there's people strong enough to put jinchuuriki with perfect control over their biju under a genjutsu, does that mean it's plausible in The Last for Naruto to fall under someone's jinchuuriki? I would still say no, because he doesn't just have true control over Kurama but he's a perfect jinchuuriki that's able to enter biju mode, something only him and Killer Bee have achieved in the history of shinobi.

To me, the way the genjutsu plotline was used in The Last was lazy writing to get Naruto to fall in love with Hinata by guiltripping him with all those memories where she was supposedly "there for him" that ends up undermining Naruto's own bond with Kurama that would've prevented him from falling under a genjutsu because it's not like it was this outlandish genjutsu technique used. But also the "memories" the genjutsu presents Naruto are all filler, none of that is shit Kishimoto wrote.

Lastly, my favorite thing here is that the collage was made by a NH shipper whose best defense is "Yes, Naruto needed to fall under a genjutsu and hallucinate a bunch of memories in order to fall in love with my fav but here's how that hallucination is canon-compliant" like how are you not embarrassed? LMFAO

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thanks for replying!

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[sourinartt]

I saw some ss fans telling that he put sakura under genjutsu BC he wanted to protect her💀

Hi

That argument is silly and stupid because if Sasuke truly wanted to protect her from "his great anger," the scene wouldn't consist of Sasuke once again belittling the fact that she's so annoying and she can never understand him

Sasuke has peaceful abilities, why not use chakra threads? I mean, if he really wanted to save her from the fight and didn't want her to interfere, he could have tied her up Or a much better one, like the one we saw the first time Sasuke left the village: knocking her unconscious

We could see then that he simply didn't want her to interfere and at the same time protect her from all the chaos. But what did canon Sasuke do?

What do we mean by protecting? How the scene looks smooth in the anime, there are two scenes from the manga

As you can see, Sasuke, by putting her under a genjutsu, not only put her to sleep, he pierced her body making her bleed

Sakura was so surprised and shocked because she didn't expect Sasuke to arrive at such high speed and hurt her where is the protection? What's worse, Sakura had to hear from Sasuke that she was a nuisance before being put into a genjutsu

There's no protection here; he didn't want Sakura interfering in his decisions and the fight that would define everything. She's a nuisance to him, and her meddling only puts an obstacle in his way

Those who are delusional and actually believe that Sasuke wanted to protect her or at least take care of her because he loved her should take some pills, Sasuke mocked her love for him, insulted her, and then attacked her, making her see and hear everything

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Yamato was so fed up haha

[cubur]

Why does your love hurt so much? Don't know why…

I listened to this song all day and eventually it made me scribble stuff

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i know dina’s eyes are burned into her retinas

[narutouzumakiarchive]

Many people in the manga have spoken about Naruto and Sasuke's feelings for each other, but no one has done so more than Orochimaru.

1. Kishimoto is someone who pays attention to sound symbolism. And Kishimoto explicitly emphasized Sasuke looking at and reacting to Naruto 3 times with his heart beating in response, thus establishing a metonymic relationship in which Sasuke's heart beating represented Naruto having an effect on Sasuke's heart. Naruto was the only comrade Sasuke's heart beat for. When Sasuke finally decided to wholly reject Itachi's words, Sasuke's heart beat again, symbolizing Naruto being connected to Sasuke's heart changing.

Orochiamaru took note of Naruto's effect on Sasuke and, in the more accurately translated panel, stated that Naruto was changing Sasuke's heart. And this is part of a larger pattern of heart symbolism being integral to Naruto and Sasuke’s bond. Naruto made Sasuke's heart beat, Sasuke made Naruto clutch at his heart, Naruto made Sasuke's sharingan (a reflection of the heart) transform repeatedly, and in the end, their hearts were able to mutually merge in their shared feelings of empathy for each other.

On a less meta scale, this scene is emblematic of Naruto and Sasuke being integral to each other's development and mutually pushing the other to get better. They drive each other.

Kishimoto also validates Orochimaru's Forest of Death observations in the narrative.

Orochiamaru indicates that Naruto was extinguishing the darkness from Sasuke's soul, and we repeatedly see Naruto framed as Sasuke's light in narrative. In order to enter the darkness, Sasuke needed to leave Naruto. When Sasuke talks about Naruto walking in front of him, the text is placed on a panel of the sun. Even in Boruto, when Sasuke reflects on Naruto and talks about Naruto's Hokage dream that Sasuke "died" to protect in the Land of Waves, Naruto is pointedly encased in bright light. Kishimoto has even stated that Sasuke likes Naruto's "sunny" personality. It's all connected to their recurrent yin and yang symbolism.

Kishimoto also referenced Orochimaru's statement in Sasuke's 698 monologue. Orochimaru said that in order to counteract Naruto's influence on Sasuke, he needed to "dye" Sasuke in his colors. [That particular phrasing coming from Orochimaru has a very negative connotation and a disturbing innuendo.] But, Sasuke used the word "dye" in an innocent context to refer to Naruto being his weakness and unconsciously having an emotional effect on him.

2. Orochimaru specifically brought Sai to Sasuke so that they could reminisce about Sasuke's "dear Konoha." When Sai specifically riles Sasuke up by disrespecting Naruto, he's swiftly met with Sasuke's fierce genjutsu, and Orochimaru warns Sai about baiting Sasuke too much. This moment is particularly interesting because it resembles the way both Orochimaru, Kabuto AND Sai used Sasuke's name to provoke Naruto earlier in this very arc.

It's also narratively fitting that in the same way Sasuke's introduction in Part 1 began with him angrily telling off Sakura for not being understanding about Naruto, he began his Part 2 introduction with putting Sai in a genjutsu because of how he mentioned Naruto. And it aligns with Sasuke confirming his feelings for Naruto never changed.

3. Orochimaru recognizes that Sasuke is worried about Naruto when Sasuke (and the others) sensed his chakra and Sasuke rushed Orochimaru so they could "revive" the Hokage. Sasuke had been on his way to Naruto to keep true to their promise to fight each other first (Chapter 574) before he'd come across Itachi. Kishimoto really built up Naruto and Sasuke's desire to meet each other, which is fitting given that Kishimoto discussed wanting special feelings to be born to them when they finally returned to eachother.

Kishimoto also referenced the the word that Orochimaru used to describe Sasuke's feelings in Sasuke's monologue as well, lending further credibility to Orochimaru's statement.

4. In Chapter 646, Sasuke is established as looking at Naruto with a pained expression. Chapter 647 maintains focus on Sasuke staring in that same direction with a look that Orochimaru indicates represents Sasuke being in a foul mood. And that foul mood that Orochimaru noted was only lifted after Sasuke specifically encouraged Naruto to keep fighting, and Naruto stated he was coming with Sasuke. It also gives us the iconic moment where Naruto's heart pours out to the shinobi alliance, and his regrets about not reaching out to Sasuke are at the very forefront. This moment also connects to the heart symbolism that is significant in Naruto's and Sasuke's bond as well as the theme of them feeling the others' pain.

5. Rather than making Orochimaru comment on Naruto and Sasuke's bond via direct speaker reference, Kishimoto utilizes semantic reference to have Orochimaru indirectly comment on Naruto's status as Sasuke's wind. Wind is directly meant to represent Sasuke's future and life force. That's why when Sasuke (and Naruto) dies, Orochimaru wonders if this was as far as Sasuke's wind was meant to go. But, in the text, there's one other thing, or person, regarded as Sasuke's wind: Naruto. Orochimaru could have more straightforwardly said that he was looking forward to to seeing Sasuke's future and what lied ahead for him, but instead, Kishimoto deliberately made him use the more unusual wording of wind to foreshadow that Naruto, Sasuke's wind, was intimately connected with his future. Given Kishimoto's love of puns and wordplay, the intention was clear.

6. It doesn’t end there. In Gaiden, Orochimaru states his desire for Mitsuki to find a sun that can illuminate the darkness... a moment that's a clear allusion to Naruto and Sasuke's relationship, and the very aspect that threatened Orochimaru and his plans so much that he desired to separate them.

7. Mistuki mentions in the Boruto movie, which was proudly written by Kishimoto and was stated to be a movie that was more about Sasuke than Boruto, that Orochimaru told him Sasuke was the only one who could rival Naruto.

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