sizzling wound

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[nursefather]

probably serious debut post (not really) sorry if ive reached the normal part of tumblr i dont know how to use this website at all yet (i struggled adding tags) but i am full of compassion and ideas and love and creativity for a certain spider dad and his beloved butterfly daughter. i also love rolangela and ABC (ayin benji carmen) lobcorp. second to all of that i am so very compassionate about meursault and gregor (meurgreg) they are my favourite sinners after ryoshu. i am only here to talk mainly about rienshu though because i am so giddy about them... so yes this is mainly just my own personal yapfest about these two. to anyone this reaches who is actually for some reason intrigued about whatevers going on with the author of this blog whether it be curiosity or pure amusement my discord handle is decayblu dont hesitate to just say anything. anyway thats all lets all hold hands and run through flower fields

[nursefather]

this blog does not feel complete without a ship chart. here is my high quality ultra articulate Limbus Company ship chart (as you can see, sourced from the original blank chart) complete with annotations (not made in a twitter search tool induced fit of rage)

[aeroblossom]

saw someone on twitter make an amphoreus coreflame version, so i wanted to try with my other interests too

[vvenli]

soras i drew on magma

[nursefather]

ok so my spare email got disabled by google for some reason. they really do not want me to make that twt account

[nursefather]

it might be time to put my spare email to use. i need to stop pussying out and make a public twitter account i hate lurking as fun as it is, i need to participate !!!!!! on top of that i think ive found some of my tumblr mutuals on there or at least the authors of my favourite ao3 works (or both) and i need to support their visions

if anyone who happens to be the former and happens to see this you mightve noticed a conspicuous private account with 22k tweets in your follow list thats just me being a chud. gomen

[nursefather]

I think my resonance with ryoshu is majorly defined by her relationship with the nursefathers, particularly composed of my relationship with my mother that i often compare to shiomi and ryoshus unique display of affection and the nature of their relationship wherein they make efforts to actively suppress it in a feedback loop of causing either of them to be vile towards one another as a ways of not 'debasing' themselves to the others level. Both of them find the other disgusting and awful, and there's irony in the way that they are one of the same in that sense, but they would never admit to it nor would they ever admit to any affection or pity they feel. Aside from their fleeting moments of tolerance built on exposure, i believe that with the resentment they felt came an affection that was proportional to their hatred, but metaphorically went 'spoiled'. From the way i see it that's why when it comes to araya, ryoshu barely feels any strain, spite, or apathy, barely enough to point out their semblance and continues to truly love araya as her own daughter. on the topic of araya, although this doesn't really add on to my point, it's worth mentioning that the hostility between shiomi and ryoshu seems to be so deeply encoded that it is perpetrated again in the events of canto 9, even long after the events of shiomi's death, and exchanged with araya, who takes the place of dihui star. even when pretending to be her she plays the role of shiomi as the harsh and ruthless figure ryoshu always knew with no regards to the incident of her death, and who she actually is, suggesting that her behaviour towards ryoshu was tantamount to the completion of the HoS, and irrevocable despite everything. although i disagree with shiomi’s conclusion (i hate the way ryoshu sent her out so much..), it ultimately means to deliver that despite their many years of forcing tensions between each other, which prevented their relationship from ever evolving or having any instances of disclosure, all that repressed affection will eventually reveal itself in the form of tangled wreck that leaves both subjects broken; and still lacking of the attention they should have received.

This interpretation works in tangent to my other stuff about riens own form of repression, however, one thing that seperates them is the nature of their suppression: riens suppression of desire to appeal to hermes was so deeply entwined with his lifestyle that it was merely a passive act, while shiomi and ryoshu's strained tensions were an active decision that they both enabled without realising of it's merit (until it was too late to undo anything).

though, as far as 'undoing' goes, the way specifically shiomi is framed makes me think there couldn't have been any way to prevent the tensions formed in the HoS. The order of events fall into place (un)naturally because of the will of the city, which, from the way i see it, enforces upon itself already even without riens arrangements. The only thing that would change about the house of spiders, i believe, would be what determines the completion of it. The rest of the order of events are part of ryoshu's idiosyncrasies. Theyre doomed in every mirror world💔

[nursefather]

i will never stop mixing up elicit and illicits definitions someone just shoot me

[nursefather]

up next netizen nursefather will (finally) hop on library of ruina for an overdue playthrough so they can attempt to justify the rienshu rolangela parallels that theyve been hallucinating since january

[nursefather]

i think one thing that would illicit a violent reaction from rien would be to take off his mask forcefully. he strikes me as the type to not let anyone else touch his mask, or at least let anyone else see the wound on his face (with an exception to callisto, which iirc was implied to make the mask for rien? all i remember is that it was the work of the ring). for my own indulgence i also like to think that he deliberately hides the wound from prying eyes because he sees it as somewhat 'sacred'. After all, at least through the riensang id, he views it as a keepsake between him and his daughter. I was thinking that he was saving taking off his mask for until he met ryoshu again. the visual of rien waiting until he's all alone to trace his fingers across the grooves of his injury is so... we have to kill him

[nursefather]

datamined rien and your eye slit i think about you every living week of my life

somehow he was more radical this way. there were several sprites of him tweaked for him to have less sharper features/poses and although i think its better and fitting for the rien we know of datamined rien is a whole new entity just for that alone. another rien variant to outmug him

[nursefather]

has anybody considered the idea that hermes is a fan of phantom of the opera and thats why it incorporated the music theme into riens little roland cosplay but it couldnt even spare him the privilege of a kickass eye slit on his mask so he just goes about looking half blind and stupid

[nursefather]

i think i unfortunately just resonate with rien. theres pattern with characters in which i have a tendency to relate to; forcing their love/duty onto others and detaching themselves from everything including moral whenever they feel dejected/something unjust, in their eyes, happens and nothing can be done about it (eg 'the waves rolling in' for rien). i hate rien the same way i hate myself but at least he has something to pin the blame on for the root of his whatevers wrong with him (his religion). i was just neglected really bad so im like this for the rest of my life #loser

[nursefather]

theyre (me) calling it the most rien song (until i drown by tears for fears) of all time

[nursefather]

canto 9 speaks very intensely of systemic misogyny and exploitation/commodity of women and is generally saturated with feminist themes but i have to admit i do get kind of irritated when people refer to rien as a misogynist and nothing more. not only is it dense, surface level, and barely sufficient or even meaningful enough of a label (considering who its coming from) to account for all that he's done it's nothing but redundant of his interactions with all 3 generations of the shiomi yoru bloodline. he treats all 3 of them very peculiarly and all they can derive from it is that he holds prejudice for women, which I'm not denying at all nor do i hold distaste for readings of rien having internalised prejudice, bigotry, and general discrimination against marginalised individuals because it is very much shown directly in the chapter that he does have some of that of sorts, but i feel it is necessary to whine about this because it spreads the idea that acts this way simply because it was his moral failing to do anything/own volition to harm them * because * they were women (and all the presumption that comes with it you get the gist) despite the four dimensional tensions between him and those 3 generations of women individually. riens actions towards shiomi, ryoshu, and araya all account for disastrously different things it's actually unthinkable for me to attribute it all to one single factor even if it's just something as abstract as underestimating/infantilising women because of misogyny. it's also not wrong to think that supports part of his actions, it just should be known that his commodification of shiomi, abuse + manipulation (as well as other specific transgressions) against ryoshu, and his contempt and exploitation of araya as a fodder or more accurately, deliberately planned out 'fetter' to complete the House of Spiders are all influenced by individuals within that very bloodline (i wish people had the balls to outright discuss why rien treats araya like that) and the internal battle between epistemology (the right to know) and duty (hermes) it's just all so broad and abstract in other words goes way beyond just the labelling of misogyny which is a perfectly fine interpretation it just starts to undermine both the subject of the reading and their relationships with other characters and thus those other characters as well. and considering we're in project moons fandom interpretations like these are unironically crucial to how the entire community perceives this character depending on what becomes popular (which often is just the most acceptable and digestible interpretation of a character)

[triphopbop]

And somehow despite calling Rien a misogynist people still use kid gloves when discussing that aspect. Take what you said about Araya for example. Rien manipulated and groomed her into assuming Shiomi’s role just so she could be the sacrificial trigger for Ryoshu’s mental breakdown into Muga form. However, some people genuinely think the traumatized elementary school girl consented to assuming Shiomi’s role. It feels less like people want to genuinely examine misogyny in canto 9, and just shallowly mention it so they can briefly acknowledge it and then ignore it out of discomfort.

[nursefather]

has anyone whose watched phantom of the opera tell me if rien holds any real parallels or semblance to erik besides his mask;; it's been on my watch list for a while but lifes kept me busy >< i do have a good gist on christine as a character and her relationship w her mentor and i cant help but think of rienshu. ive also heard many accounts of their relationship being held along the lines of grooming since erik partly raised christine/taught her since childhood so thats something

[nursefather]

the only thing stopping me from saying rien deserved his conclusion is that he didnt get enough screen time. 5 more stages to kaiser gregor