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#1 farleigh start fan

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Saltburn Masterpost

Farleigh Start Scene Analysis (Masterpost)

Miscellaneous Farleigh Stuff (Masterpost)

Saltburn and Sex

Saltburn and Privilege

Saltburn and Consent

Saltburn and Racism

Saltburn and Lo Real Maravilloso (Magical Reality)

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if yall dont fucking write fanfictions about wonder man 2026 right fucking now.

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x-men media, esp the movies, doing the same Perfect Victim, Great Replacement Theory, Violent Revolutionary Turned Terrorist plot line over…. and over…… and over again…….

and then fans of said media taking all that without an once of critical thinking like have u guys ever thought that its kind of fucking weird to see the same hyperbolic caricature of a victim of genocide turned genocidal megalomaniac constantly in ur superhero movies. me personally im tired.

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half of angst/whump culture is just rebranded fetish tropes cuz why r u guys so intent on getting into the nitty gritty of bucky barnes gang rape idk u guys have to know u r lowk crying over disturbingly graphic bdsm level torture porn except its not even sexual, ur just snotting all over urself. and its worse when they think theyr being radically empathetic bcuz theyr making the choice to daydream about ptsd symptoms 😭😭 ur not an empath ur lowk jus spiraling and i think u needa take a walk thru a meadow and see the sunlight through tree canopies.

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plot twist: it was never one movie, they always liked him, like a mutual said, they only hated him cos bucky hated him and now that they're on the same team, they adore him and feel comfortable being their racist selfish, and the pcs gave them more ammo to shit on sam..

this is about john walker by the way ^^^

its insane because i am not going to sit here and argue that john himself is evil or nefarious and cannot be appreciated and even liked as a flawed character capable of change.

the ISSUE, tbh, is marvel dropping the ball with his character. john walker was INTRODUCED as a mechanism of white supremacy. his purpose in tfatws was to represent a system in which a white man in the pockets of the american government can replace and overshadow a black man. there are also themes (poorly done, but still) of resistance groups and how we as americans have ground them into a thin red powder without a care for the stabilization of communities, the reality of history, and the sanctity of life. we’re talking about john “war on terror” walker, guys. yes, he is a victim of white nationalism, but he did it with so much ignorant hubris and pretension that it’s borderline impossible to critically defend him. he killed a surrendering man and he believed that what he did was justified because he is a soldier, most likely deployed in the middle east for gods sake. he has a learned disregard for humanization and ethics. he misunderstands how and why we are expected to be inwardly and outwardly critical of our power.

i like to make the comparison between john walker and syril from andor (star wars). both were, at their core, insecure and starved for the recognition and attention they thought they rightfully deserved (this is also a great plot point in season 1 of the punisher, which provides an amazing exploration of how american military service and subsequent treatment by americans after discharge effects the mental health of veterans). both took an easy chance at achieving power and greatness. syril, however, remained selfish and willfully ignorant until he was confronted, immediately, with the horrors of the empire he dedicated his life to. he watched a genocide that he helped curate unfold around him and then died! the same day. he was a victim of a system, a victim of his own negligent actions, and a perpetrator of extreme levels of oppressive violence.

john walker got dropped into the mental health movie with everyones favorite beloved flawed characters. im not arguing that there is no room for critical writing of john in the future, im sure (hoping) that more will be done with john as i’ve described. that doesn’t change the fact that any foundation for the character was overshadowed by the intentions of thunderbolts, and the fact that fans so easily forgot what was important about tfatws.

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why the fuck are marvel fans so stupid bro there is no way it took one singular movie for a john walker regime to rise from the dirt and ashes of tfatws. there is no way it took ONE. MOVIE.

i need every1 to google “rhetorical analysis” right now before my eyes blow up in their sockets

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u could be talking about literally anything and a very enthusiastic person brandishing a character wiki will say “in the comics, its actually canon that….” like reading the batman wiki makes u the authority on dick grayson’s eldest daughter burnout syndrome. not to be an elitist but somehow im getting the impression that u pieced together comic canon via individual panels on pinterest?

its especially funny when people complain about how MANY comics there are because you would think, if you were interested in a type of media, you would be glad that there is ample content within that media type. and yet. and yet.

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u cannot be an mcu fan bitching about “hawkeye is under appreciated” “hawkeye is so ignored” “why does nobody care about hawkeye.” im looking at u and im looking at jeremy renner with a limp bizkit ass mohawk and im looking at u and im looking at clint barton wearing a shade of purple that is suspiciously subdued and im asking myself why YOU care abt clint barton.

hawkeye so dry that he had bitches in 2012 making up the most benign scenarios just to feel something. theres no way a multi-billion dollar franchise had free thinking young adults picturing jeremy renner crawling around in the walls. he had so little chemistry with EVERYY CHARACTER. he had like 4 good trick shots and 3 minutes with a sword after his rural lifestyle slipped through his fingers. hes so. soooooo boring.

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of the things that make my tummy hurt, child soldier bucky barnes might b top of the list

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HIII it’s me the same anon who sent that rlly long ask abt Farleigh’s monologue to Oliver, the plates, etc.. and i’ve had another Farleigh thought that i feel like u would be very good at going in depth about.

so like, even Archie talked about how Farleigh sort of felt ashamed after talking to felix and confronting him about the very obvious bias etc, and i know this might be kind of a stretch or me just thinking nonsense, but Farleigh’s last few conversations with his cousin were all just… bad. Like, they “argued”, obviously, and the next time we saw Farleigh and Felix interacting was whenever Felix scolded Farleigh for making oliver sing rent during karaoke night. After that, it was pretty unclear whether or not they’ve encountered each other during Oliver’s party (but i doubt it since Farleigh said they haven’t seen him yet), and the only time we see Farleigh together with Felix (and Venetia) is when they’re singing happy birthday to oliver (kind of lmfao) and they seemed pretty chill there but like???? I can’t stop thinking about the fact that the most major (and final) parts of Farleigh and Felix’s relationship on screen was them arguing over that little freak (i know the Farleigh/Felix conversation was about so much more than that, but Oliver was kind of the starting point of that as well, since Farleigh brought up how shitty it was that they were throwing Oliver a party considering the circumstances with his own mother etc. etc.). And in conclusion i guess I’m just wondering if you think Farleigh ever felt guilty about that later on. Like, the fact that he got kicked out and before that he bravely confronted Felix, only to be shut down, and then when he came back, his cousin died the same night. Idk maybe I’m just thinking way too much but I really hope this makes sense I’m terrible at wording things. So all in all i’m just talking about how the last few moments they shared together was all kinda shitty, thinking about it.

so sorry for the late response, u probably do not care anymore BUT. that makes a lot of sense yes. i think there's a lot of turmoil that must have been involved with post-canon farleigh and if i think too hard about it i get sad! somehow.

i imagine post-canon is very conflicted and very bitter. it's difficult with white family, especially white family that treats you like that. the death of the cattons, the ruin of the cattons, evokes an unimaginable lack of closure. how hard would it be to forgive your family while grieving them? and how hard would it be to forgive yourself for the way you commodified your relationship with them? every interaction became a transaction, and is that necessarily farleigh's fault? the acting, the pretending, the calculated risks, the begging, the "peddling," as archie put it. i'd imagine he'd begun to depersonalize himself. finding your identity while dealing with the loss of a family that led to the bastardization of your identity! yummy. i don't know. he makes me sad.

to answer your question, yea, i think he was guilty. but maybe not entirely because of those last few days of bitterness, but for the whole thing. every decision he made, all those schools he got kicked out of, all those hollow conversations and his time spent drifting between sterile relationships. for family to become a twisted form of escapism the way it had, tied up with the money and the gucci and the cocaine. there is so much to regret.

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I hated farleigh when I first watched saltburn because people like him bullied me in the same way he bullied Oliver.

But also, he's a very neat character.

thats fair, i suppose. but i don't really see how you could end the movie hating him, as i think it's made pretty clear what farleigh's motivations are and all of that. at the end of the day, i think farleigh's treatment of oliver was quite mild. there was a lot of snobbery but yk, it comes with the territory.

he is a very neat character and i love him very much and he is my favorite ever.

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the quickstart ship is devils brew. that is evil potion.

farleigh and oliver are not enemies to lovers. that is enemies to victim-and-perpetrator. enemies to file-a-restraining-order. enemies to he’s-not-even-freaky-he-is-just-rapey. enemies to racism im sick.

ill let felix and oliver slide cuz white on white violence isnt rly my area of expertise.

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for any of those who haven't moved on from saltburn entirely, i would like to say something.

i hope oliver quick is strung up scarecrow style for a fortnight before being quartered in the town square for what he did to my beautiful, gorgeous diva farleigh start. i pray every day for god to give oliver quick a UTI that results in sepsis that results in amputation so he will never again prowl around with his member swinging.

if there were ever to be a saltburn sequel, it better be 120 minutes of archie madekwe as farleigh start, mogging at the camera with a restraining order in one hand and nitric acid in the other.

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one thing abt comics is u’ll be slurping up a GENERATIONAL run, a masterclass in political commentary, tasteful drama, dynamic action cuts, creative use of paneling and lettering, awe inspiring dialogue— and then.

and then some greasy 40 y/o white fucker gets a hold of the drawing board and suddenly theres a woman w a 15in waist getting sexually harassed and brutalized for 10 straight pages. captain america’s tits are practically jiggling from their sheer mass and was that ab shot strictly necessary? from the distance, batman is asking himself if its ethically sound to torture kids and someone is making a bad take on fridgeboxing and oh god, since when did john constantine fuck monkeys? no, it is NOT okay to tie up teenage girls and leer at them, miguel o’hara what the fuck. why are we talking ominously about necrophilia while threateningly swinging about our bare breasts and does a sandman comic require this?

in a liminal sense, i understand the vision. in an abstract way, i can understand why hawkeye just got erased from existence because he tried to play the long game with the scarlet witch. but aren’t there more important fascists to fight, or was that american propaganda the whole time? uh oh. “i can’t tell which comics are good and which canon to endorse!” UH OH.

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breaking my silence today.

tired of seeing the same comic panels of queen-never-cry bucky barnes mogging at the viewer with a perfectly structured beard. show me that obnoxious teenage sidekick w his little blue boots. reject modernity, embrace tradition.

hes so fucking annoying u guys need to HEAR me.

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RIP 2006 coke princess farleigh start, u would’ve loved the 2024 indie sleaze revival