1) Read Gay New York by Chauncey, Coming Out Under Fire: The History of Gay Men and Women in World War II by Allan Berube or My Queer War by James Lord and then get back to me about it never being our word first. So if you want to talk about who’s denying historical facts, I’ve got testimonies written by actual queer people in the 40′s and you have……… tumblr.
2) The A was not ‘first and foremost and always for Ally’ because when it was added it initially represented BOTH Asexual and Ally UPON IT’S INTRODUCTION. So while it did initially stand for Ally, it also initially stood for Asexual. I was alive for that, I remember shit. Additionally, it stopped being for Ally almost immediatly because Allies didn’t need a letter, but Asexual’s did, so the A remained.
3) I’m trans. I also get a fucking say in this. You are allowed to be uncomfortable with people pointing out your arguments originated with TERF’s. You’re not allowed to tell us we can’t point it out to you. No one is saying you ARE a TERF. You need to learn the difference between “You are a TERF” and “You are using TERF arguments and rhetoric to argue your position”. The former would be wrong for someone to say if you were not a terf. The latter is not.
4) Rape survivors can, in fact, be rape apologists. Being a rape survivor DOES NOT give you a free pass to tell someone else that they are lying about their rape, about aspects of their rape, or tell them they cannot use the correct term for what it was. AS a survivor of CORRECTIVE RAPE, I am telling YOU that I have encountered DOZENS of rape apologists who were themselves, survivors, who told me, another survivor, that I was lying about or mistaken about my rape in some form. This is still rape apologism, regardless of the fact that they are rape survivors themselves, and you don’t get to act like it’s wrong of me to call rape apologists, rape apologists when that is what they engaged in.
5) No one has said there aren’t any bad inclusionists, but considering I’ve been called a homophobe for literally saying that exclusionists exclude people, have seen a comic BY A LESBIAN about her GIRLFRIEND a ‘homophobic mess’ because it talked about asexuals not realizing that other people experience sexual attraction (a very common ace experience), and seen people called a homophobe for saying nothing more or less than ‘I support aspecs’, I’m willing to bet a sizeable sum of money that most of what you think is homophobia, seraphobia, and transphobia is people existing innocently, or people calling you out for being a bigot. (Hell, I’ve been called a lesbophobe by TERF’s for saying that trans women are, in fact, women, so look there, another tactic you stole from them?)
6) Show me the ‘plenty of inclusionists’ who made fun of the pulse shooting. I did see one post, by a TROLL run by an EXCLUSIONIST do that, that was blamed on inclusionists since none of y’all can tell what a troll looks like, but beyond that I saw dozens of people blaming the shooting on asexuals, and people pointing out that was not the case, and then being accused of mocking the shooting, but I did not see a single actual inclusionist mocking it. Show me proof.
7) I have not seen any inclusionists call lesbians terfs for not wanting to date trans men either. Show me some proof, put your money where your mouth is. If REAL inclusionists are saying that, I’m willing to bet good money that they’ve already been no-platformed, because unlike exclusionists, we don’t put up with that shit.
8) It’s literally a scientific fact that sexual attraction and sexual feelings begins at 10 on average with a standard deviation of 2 to 3 years. This is a fact, you don’t get to deny it because you don’t like it.
9) Again, show me proof that inclusionists want to bring guns to pride, that are not troll blogs and are not already no-platformed/been called out by inclusionists, then we can talk. And if you find them, I’d be very happy to call them out myself, but until then, don’t act like this is nearly as wide-spread a problem as you claim it is, and don’t act like just because there are handfuls of inclusionists who are genuinely bad, it gives all exclusionists a free pass to be as bigoted as you want. Consider also ALL exclusionists are bigoted by nature, but inclusionists are not, you just choose to see your bigotry as justifiable.
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