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[pinkoctopus099]

I just saw something that made me have a thought (unprocessed, not well thought out so don't judge me) but what if the whole point of the 4th wall breaks and the "them" Murray speech and the curtain and the play and, and, and is that we are the conduits for the characters aka in some odd way they are stuck inside our minds (how would that work? Who tf knows? Does it make ir any sense? Who tf knows?) But I thought it so i am sharing it lol

[pinkoctopus099]

I really don't have current expectations, I know the SVGISTH could be about Heartstopper or Bridgerton, although i don't get why they would use Something very Bad to promote that but who knows? They're clearly toying people so... I'm just waiting atp

[pinkoctopus099]

So i don't remember who posted about the argument between an analogy and a metaphor but I figured it could provide something to give a link with the definitions and the difference between them.

If you are the one who posted about it, let me know your thoughts.

[pinkoctopus099]

Call me crazy but I feel like if Netflix dropped new whatever it is they might have about ST with no hype or announcement it would be just as easy as using marketing atp.

It would spread so fucking fast and people would drop everything to watch the show, for sure.

[pinkoctopus099]

I feel like i am being talked into shipping byl3r but there's the rational part of me that's like "maybe not? Because what if I am stuck in this middle ground if there's nothing coming?" But blame my friend for yapping about it like 24/7 lmao.

Tbh I don't usually ship many things regularly, but I absolutely get why this ship is so popular and and I giggled when I gave my friend Mike with the painting funko pop and she said she needed to get his Will because they're "a package deal". Anyways, someone hold me back please

[thebestofmyrmidons]

Comparing the old interviews from 1st January and the newer ones coming out right now has become my fav hobby, because there's SO many contradictions.

1st January: "Yeah, they (the audience) reacted exactly where I wanted them to react" (interesting choice of where, not how...)

June: "And in this age of endless data, and algorithms, it feels rarer than ever, which really worries us. But we're also encouraged by what audiences are responding to right now across TV and film. I feel young people are telling us very loudly that they're hungry for original stories - unfiltered personal visions that haven't been mangled by a thousand paper cuts."

They know where the audience probably had the loudest gasps during the finale - of note it would be Steve almost falling off the tower and the 'best friends' line, as well as the Purple rain scene. Those were all there to garner shock factor, and the audiences reacted exactly where they were hoping to react .... hm...

Yet in June, they are so encouraged by what audiences are responding to right now across TV and film...

I can't help but make the connection that they are talking about us...

[sidoniemoon]

How life feels now after having blocked emoticon-indy and allmyrandomfic:

[pinkoctopus099]

Honest question, why aren't you guys blocking the trolls? Like at this point why have them unblocked?

[armencias]

The Byler Storyline is Not Finished yet | "The Mind of Mike Wheeler" Part 5

Finally we’ve reached the last part, wohoo! It won’t be as intense as the snowball in the previous one (I probably won’t top that in forever), but there are still two scenes left that are worth discussing!

Going right in, we start with the video and you’ll find my detailed analysis below. Related Posts: 5/5 Sync, Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4

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▶ Finally Telling His Mom

In the first timeline we see Mike sitting on the bench after he ran away, in the second timeline Kali's telling El what happened to her in the Upside Down Lab. Another round of Kali as Mike the Brave.

While Mike's just sitting there, lost in thought, Kali tells that she was getting drugged, knowing she needed to get out. And the only way out was death. While she's pretending to die we see what Mike's staring at: the hole in the wall is fixed now.

Kali's talking about the awful sounds of Dr. Kay, just as Mike remembers the last moments of El... and Kay's awful sounds.

Hopper then finds Mike sitting on the bench, showing that the whole memorial place looks like an X. Kali comments this with " not all tricks require powers."

Mike's telling Hopper how he fears that his mom won't understand why he can't walk the stage. Meanwhile Kali says that she never would have left, if she knew what was on the other side of that door. This time it's about Mike running away after actually telling his mom.

The second timeline changes to kids sitting on the swings in Camazotz. But Mike goes on: "It'd be like a lie. Like I'm okay with moving on. And I'm not." He's not okay with moving on from the swings, his first memory of Will.

Derek walks on screen, about to go into the woods. The other kids try to stop him, reminding him it's against the rules. He walks away anyway, just as Mike starts telling about his plan to go someplace far away with El, where no one would find them. But the kids immediately start running towards Mr Whatsit to tell him about Derek going into the woods. He will be found. Mike's plan wouldn't work. And please mind the very present 'snowball' (lamp) behind Hop and him.

Mike calls it a childish fantasy plan and that he should have had a real one. In the second timeline we switch to Max and Holly in the woods, trying to escape Camazotz. They say Derek's safe as long as he makes it to the cave. He's the bait for Henry. Okay, so Mike's fantasy plan was bait too? Wait, does this make Derek queer bait? ⚆_⚆

Max says that she's been moving through this maze for two years now, while we get a close-up of Mike. She's all the guide that we need. Keep in mind, she was the one giving the instructions to create this whole Season 5/5 time loop at all.

She says "Once we find his first memory of you, we follow the memory trail to the night he captured you. And if I'm right, the exit to the real world will be there. [...] Then we escape Camazotz." So we need to find Vecna's first memory of Mike to find the exit to the real world, so he can escape. And I have a feeling that the hospital scene with all the exit signs (Part 3 'The Fight Inside Mike's Heart') will be important, connected to this. I Just can't prove it yet.

Skipping ahead, the second timeline changes for the last time, this time showing Will and Robin talking on the roof under the WSQK tower.

Will's asking Robin about Tammy and the tape epiphany, just as Hopper says "I've been down that first road before. And I don't recommend it." At some point during "Sorcerer" Robin was comparing her future with Tammy to a fantasy life. And didn't Mike just described his future with El as a fantasy plan? So road one is a fantasy life/plan aka Tammy/El.

Hopper thinks Mike knows what El wanted for him and Robin explains that she was finally cool with herself, but sharing that part with someone else was a whole other thing. Road two is about accepting yourself and what El wanted for Mike.

But eventually Robin told someone. And before she can go on the first timeline changes to the graduation ceremony. When she says she told Steve, we actually see her talking to Steve. I think it's quite interesting we see the principle starting his speech at the podium, just the moment Will's standing on the roof, looking down at Robin who's standing on the floor now. It looks like he's standing on a stage, moments after Mike said to Hopper that he can't walk the stage.

While Holly and Karen spot Mike arriving at the ceremony, Robin tells she only got out to Steve after being injected with a truth serum. So she got drugged and 'needed to get out,' just like Kali.

Robin goes on, saying how special it was to her to say it to someone out loud and hearing them to be cool with it. At the same time Karen's running towards Mike and is hugging him really tight. This time Mike actually told his mom, despite being scared and feels better now.

Karen tells Mike how proud she is of him, hugging him again and Will asks Robin if she has any of the truth serum left.

▶ Will's Leaving The Basement

In the upper timeline the group's sitting in the basement for the last time and in the lower one Will's hijacking the dead Demo. While Mike's saying, that Will the Wise travels to Vallaki, Will's actually traveling through the hive mind.

Mike's describing it as overwhelming and different to the village where he spent his youth, just when Will sees the children in the Abyss. The next thing Mike says is, that Will finds happiness and acceptance. Meanwhile Will finds Camazotz and the person he's looking for. He's Derek. Oh, and the epilogue boyfriend gets called 'Dipshit,' I like that.

Skipping ahead, we see Will leaving the basement, the same moment the particles leave the dead Demo. Mike's looking at Will's DND folder with a sad face, while the other Mike's calling him to come back. Basically what all of us were hoping for.

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And after that... Nothing. Nothing?!? All of this and we just stop in the middle of nowhere, still not knowing what will happen next? That's such bullshit!

Yeah, to be honest, we might not end on the best terms here, but thinking about it again, isn't that the whole point?

It. Does. Not. End.

We can't analyze the ending of a show, if it doesn't exist yet, right?

And even though I'm done with this series now, there's still so much I want to share with you. Alone the Season 5/5 Sync contains so many more interesting details, like lettergate or "Ripping off the Band-Aid."

Wait, why didn't I include this? Because it's not about Byler! The Duffers are meanies, but on a level that affords knowing their fans very, very well.

There's so much amazing stuff, but it will cost me some time to show you everything that I want to. You are absolutely welcome to take a look yourself, to analyze and to post about it. The link's in the original Season 5/5 post.

There were many Byler scenes I didn't understand, maybe you do?

Even after this, there's more to come. I already mentioned that Season 5 parallels to Season 4 in many ways, to this point I still got no clue where this whole loop will end. But one step at a time.

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One last thing I want to share, personal this time. You might've realized I went absent again, but this time because I wasn't feeling well mentally. I needed to take a break, like immediately.

Analyzing Mike's mind was probably the loneliest thing I ever experienced in this whole fandom, and to this point I'm still pretty much alone with the stuff I'm doing. I need to take better care for my mental health from now on, so please understand that I'll take slower and tinier steps for the time coming.

I thank you for all your support and nice comments, I was so afraid no one would understand the stuff I was writing about at all, honestly. Like, almost everything I was talking about happened off-screen, haha. If it weren't for you, it probably would have taken me way more time to write that last part. It really means so much to me, so thank you again and again. <3

[beaulesbian]

yeah, keep your metaphors analogies straight

[pinkoctopus099]

Can we talk about how the cave looks like half a heart with the bottom part missing?

[thebestofmyrmidons]

another anti-AI duffer interview just landed

and somehow flew under the radar? link here

But we're also encouraged by what audiences are responding to right now across TV and film he can't mean conformitygate...can he? probably the biggest audience whiplash since...ever...

as you can tell, i am back in my investigative journalist™️ era (or i might be a bit bored)

[pinkoctopus099]

Does anyone know if the ST book was a preorder? The kne that got delayed

[pinkoctopus099]

May divorcegate die a miserable death, amen 🙏

[pinkoctopus099]

I was a normal girl until I was talked into watching ST, now I am stuck here trying to figure out clues, analysing two dipshit twins and wanting to go hunt them down to get an actual ending

[pinkoctopus099]

I wonder what emoticon-indy's deal is. For as much as they think we are sad and pathetic they sure as fuck live on the tag more than we do atp

[pinkoctopus099]

So my friend just pointed this out, but remember how Ross accused Matt of not being good at keeping secrets? I personally find it odd how he claimed that when he is the one that can't hold on his giggles to save his life.

Sir, were you lying?

And also, why is Matt the one assigned to say Byl3r wasn't in the cards?