⠀⠀⠀i know this is a lot to read, do your best. we have
⠀⠀⠀personal info and boundaries written here.
⠀⠀⠀hoard sideblog: @care-id
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⠀⠀⠀collectively we go by the names care or pony.
⠀⠀⠀we use it / its pronouns exclusively, or any neos.
⠀⠀⠀bodily 20, intersex, mentally & physically disabled.
⠀⠀⠀we are comfortable sharing that we are very VERY
⠀⠀⠀personality disordered, autistic, and have severe ocd.
⠀⠀⠀these outwardly affect us. chronic illness may cause
⠀⠀⠀us to have spouts of inactivity as well.
⠀⠀⠀we use contradictory labels, primarily we id as an
⠀⠀⠀ftmtf / ftm / ftmtx trisfemmasc boygirl enby, + a
⠀⠀⠀multigender pangender lesboy turigirl and queer
⠀⠀⠀gaybian. we are t4t, sys4sys, & on the aroace
⠀⠀⠀spectrum,.. somewhere. we experience tertiary /
⠀⠀⠀abnormal attraction because of this. ^_^ we are
⠀⠀⠀also collectively physically & spiritually alterhuman.
⠀⠀⠀primarily angel, rabbit, and canine types. please dont
⠀⠀⠀refer to us as human in any way.
⠀⠀⠀our system is called the kingdom of the rabbit, we
⠀⠀⠀are primarily traumawillo. diagnosed with DID, and
⠀⠀⠀we personally label our experience as EC-DID. we
⠀⠀⠀also have endogenic, neurogenic, stressgenic, and
⠀⠀⠀xenogenic (we hoard xeno origins) structure / alters.
⠀⠀⠀we function as a gateway system with walk-ins.
⠀⠀⠀our headcount is infinite and constantly expanding.
⠀⠀⠀we are partially adaptive, partially created, and also
⠀⠀⠀disordered and non disordered. we switch between
⠀⠀⠀using "we / us" and "i / me" often, please ignore that
⠀⠀⠀lol. we prefer being treated as individual people rather
⠀⠀⠀than parts of a whole, but i don't know how often we
⠀⠀⠀will actually sign off or make ourselves known.
⠀⠀⠀we'd prefer not to interact with anyone that follows
⠀⠀⠀radqueer ideology, especially xenosatanists and just
⠀⠀⠀anyone similar to that group. obviously we also hate
⠀⠀⠀anti endos & exclusionists but i feel that is obvious.
⠀⠀⠀we support all non harmful identities, kinning in any
⠀⠀⠀form (this includes kinning for fun, it doesnt bother us),
⠀⠀⠀and all forms of plurality. this includes polyminds, all
⠀⠀⠀origins, tulpas, etc. we are anti harassment and anti
⠀⠀⠀censorship, our blog is sfw but we don't care if nsfw
⠀⠀⠀blogs interact since we are bodily an adult (we may
⠀⠀⠀not follow back, though).
it is generally fine to think up of a personality for the headmate you wish to create, and have that personality in mind in your willomancing process.
it is just also a fact that you should be willing to accept the possibility that your headmate, once they become sentient and sapient, may not be like that and will grow and change beyond that.
sentience and sapience gives them free will, generally, and that free will involves growth and change and becoming the person you want to be.
so like. yeah it's fine to willomance a headmate with a personality in mind for them. just also accept that your headmate will develop free will and autonomy and you are good.
Those who identify as endogenic can and are diagnosed with complex dissociative disorders and benefit from treatment. There are very many reasons behind this and that doesn't counteract that CDDs are medically considered post traumatic developmental disorders. Identity and lived experience can go into a different category than medical classifications of things. They can interact, seemingly contradict or mesh well with each other but they can coexist and both be valid.
This isn't a simple yes/no black and white thing that people in this community would love it to be. Especially with the complexities of why people get diagnosed getting involved and personal perspective getting involved. It's not easy and clear cut but no human experience will ever be. That's the complexity you've got to expect in the field of psychology.
Anti-endogenics are ableist. I do not welcome ableists on my account.
[ID: Anti-endogenics are ableist. I do not welcome ableists on my account.]
I am a mixed origin system. Specifically protogenic-traumagenic-stressgenic, meaning we were plural for as long as we can remember, far before any trauma happened, and when trauma did occur our plurality skyrocketed and dissociation grew worse.
And before y'all come here saying "oh so you're faking" - I'm literally diagnosed with DID.
Being endogenic =/= not having a dissociative disorder, and being traumagenic =/= having a dissociative disorder.
Even the DSM agrees (and although I don't think the DSM should be considered gospel, many of you anti-endos use it like one.) See my breakdown of that here [link.]
I am so disappointed if you felt comfortable coming onto my account while believing I'm not real. My headmates existence are not a "debate." We are not a fucking "stance point." You're either for our existence or you're not.
Why is it that every dissociative disorder can occur without trauma except for plural dissociation in y'all's minds?
DPDR can occur without trauma. Maladaptive daydreaming disorder can occur without trauma. Dissociation is not trauma exclusive and never has been.
Fuck right off with that total bullshit, and fuck right off with the idea of plurality being inherently dissociative anyways.
there seems to be just a huge niche of people online that really need/would greatly benefit from the framework of plurality but are afraid to claim it. which i understand because me too i doubt it for myself a lot. but i think there are a lot of us who don't really meet the criteria for DID or OSDD yet would still benefit from viewing ourselves as actually multiple selves. and perhaps a substantial number of us will later find out they meet the criteria for a diagnosis about it but i think we need to be less caught up on "do i meet this criteria" and instead focus on "what will be helpful to me". which may include resources for people with DID/OSDD, or may not.
This was originally a response to this post, but it derailed a little so I've split it off into its own and expanded it.
Creating headmates, becoming a system, becoming plural--if these things interest you, absolutely awesome! It's always great to see people interested in plurality, and often making a system can come with a lot of benefits depending on why you do it. It can be a very, very rewarding experience and hopefully if you do decide to be plural, yours will be too! But there's a lot of things related to creating a system that aren't talked about--the parts that might not be so fun, the risks, and the things you should maybe have a think about before committing to it.
As a disclaimer, this isn't to sit on a high horse and tell people when to and when to not be plural. In the end, you decide what happens in your own brain, and this post is our own opinion! But these things are rarely talked about from what we've seen, and we've seen a lot of systems struggle more than they would've otherwise if they thought a bit harder beforehand. We wanted there to be a resource to explain a lot of those common issues from our own perspective, to at least make people think.
This will sound largely negative because of that because we are focusing on risks, and of course not all systems have any internal issues at all either! Though considering what being plural might come with as a package-deal before deciding to become a system yourself is important before making those decisions.
Why do you want to be plural?
The first question to consider is pretty simple: why? There's plenty of reasons, and not many are harmful across the board, but some carry more risks and need a bit more thought than others. Have a think about why this is appealing to you--do you want friends? A partner? For fun? To share your responsibilities with someone? How will being plural contribute to that?
Thinking about these things in-depth can help you figure out weighing the risks to the benefits and making the decision to (or not to) become plural. What do you want to get out of it, what are you willing to give up, is it okay if it doesn't go how you planned?
Becoming plural for romantic/sexual partners?
This is going to be a long section, because it's such a loaded topic. But.. If you want to be plural to get a partner, the most important thing in our opinion to remember is that your headmate will be a fully fledged person, with as much agency and complex emotions as any singlet. They can like you, dislike you, be romantically interested, hate you. Headmates of any kind aren't objects or your personal fantasy. This is important to remember for any reason to become plural.
You cannot create or contact a headmate with the expectation that they will become your partner. You can have hopes, you can form relationships with your headmates if it happens naturally between you, but in the end, you will need to be understanding and okay with the fact that they may not reciprocate. It can be amazing to have in-system relationships, we have a lot personally! They can be great in ways so different and unique from relationships with those in other bodies, but you still need to approach them with the same care you'd approach other relationships with.
This means accepting them as a part of your life and as your headmate even if your relationship doesn't work out, or they never fall for you in the first place. You can't force a singlet to date you, and it's not okay to force a headmate to either. Like singlets, you can't know what direction your relationship may steer in until it happens. You meet someone, you talk, and things develop in one way or another naturally--things just can't be forced. And like with singlets, you need to be aware that you will 1000% need to respect their boundaries, and open to communication about them.
You also need to understand that even if they're a soulbond of your favourite character, or a tulpa you made, or another headmate you made specifically to be what you want... They can change over time, so much so that you might even end up disliking them. You need to be open to that idea and not try to force them to be who you wanted them to be--people change and develop over time, headmates are no different. Even if you do end up not getting along, you are the one who has decided to share your body and life, so you have to make peace with that possibility. Plurality isn't something you can usually ethically undo (unless your whole system agrees, outside of going no-contact with day-trippers) if you don't like the people you made, you have to live with them.
Honestly we'd advise almost entirely against becoming a system for the intent of creating a romantic relationship with your headmate. Historically there's been issues, especially in the tulpa community, where headmates are created for the express purpose of being a partner, and that has huge ethical issues around it and develops into further problems. Creating a sentient being specifically to be a romantic or sexual partner to yourself and holding that as a strict expectation for them is objectifying at absolute best. You can't do that to a singlet, you shouldn't do it to a heamdate. Abuse against headmates is real--if it would be abuse to do to a singlet, it is also abuse to do to a headmate.
But if you are entirely, wholly okay with the possibility that your headmate may just be a friend or not even like you at all, and you're still willing to accommodate them once they exist in your body and treat them with respect and equality... You can get a headmate with those romantic hopes in mind, as long as it doesn't affect any other way you treat them.
Becoming plural for internal friends?
Honestly.. Pretty good reason and pretty common! You still need to keep the above points in mind, but focused around friendship instead. They are people, they might not end up being your friends, and you need to understand that you can't force them to fit your idea of them once you've made them real.
Things might be okay for a while, then they might get rocky. Alternatively, things might start out horribly rough but end up with you being close later in life. Be open to all these possibilities. It's just like any friendship with a singlet--there can be ups and downs, there might be breaks, there might be things you disagree on fundamentally... And you need to be aware of those possibilities.
Becoming plural for fun?
Plurality can absolutely be a fun experience! The process of making/contacting your headmates, then getting to know them and going about life together can be so rewarding. Once again though, you need to be open to the idea that it may not always be fun. You might argue, your headmates might have a falling out with you, you might disagree on things all the time.
You need to be aware of those things and be ready to make compromises, respect them, and treat things seriously sometimes too. Some created systems never have any internal issues ever, which is great! But before you start the process, you need to be aware that you might need the skills to compromise, resolve possible conflicts, and make plans that are good for everyone.
Becoming plural to share responsibilities?
Another pretty complicated one, but it all boils down to the same sort of thing: you need to be okay with the idea that your headmates might not help at all, and that you cannot force them to bend to your will. It can be amazing to work as a team to tackle homework, work, socialising, chores, and other daily life struggles! Sometimes, because headmates can be just as complex as singlets, there might be times where no one can cooperate and you have more of a frustrating "my roommate never cleans up after themselves" situation than a nice neat schedule you all follow together.
Another ethical issue that at least used to be common around tulpa communities is creating a headmate to do all your chores, responsibilities and work for you, sometimes to the point of making a headmate just so you never have to front again. This is another thing that is abuse, objectifying, and a reason you shouldn't make a headmate. These things can happen naturally, some headmates love working and cleaning, but you should not create a whole living being with the intent to have them work for you while you just front to have fun, or don't front at all.
Do you understand what a headmate is, and what that really means?
Of course, if you're looking into this, you know the concept of headmates. They're people who share your body/brain who might be able to control the body and hang out with you! But sometimes, even though a lot of people understand as a concept that headmates are alive and can be as complex as singlets, people don't realise what that can mean. Not all of these are always applicable, but some things to think of:
Your headmate might disagree with you on many things.
Your headmate might like and buy different foods, clothes, etc.
Your headmate might have different hobbies and want to have some money to spend on them.
Your headmate might want to front and control the body. Sometimes, they might want more front time than you're comfortable with giving and you'll need to negotiate.
Your headmate might want their own social media accounts, their own social circles, their own friends and partner(s).
Your headmate might use your things in the front--eat your food, play your games, use your makeup, draw in your sketchbooks, take photos on your phone, etc.
You might argue with them.
You might not like each other too much, but you're stuck in the same body and have to navigate that without harming each other.
They might be romantically interested in a person different to someone you like, and you'll have to navigate that together and with the other people involved.
Your headmate might have times where they don't want to be bothered or spoken to.
Your headmate may be unable to give you much or any privacy, for example if you're constantly cofronting or they're stuck being co-conscious.
Your headmate might have boundaries that are hard to accommodate or respect.
Your headmate might have a disability you need to accommodate, or triggers you need to take note of.
Your headmate may do, think, feel and want anything that a singlet you've never met before might. This includes things you don't like, things you want to keep to yourself, and things you do like.
You need to be aware of these possibilities and more, and know that you still want to be plural regardless. The skills to navigate any friendship or social situation apply to headmates too--conflict resolution, how to compromise, how to make decisions as a team, how to accommodate others' needs without sacrificing your own.. Those are all so important when you're sharing your whole foreseeable future with someone. And it likely is your foreseeable future, being plural can often be a lifelong commitment.
As an added note, this isn't always the case, but persecutors are also possibilities in any type of system. Disordered, nondisordered, traumagenic, endogenic--it doesn't matter. Sometimes, you may get a headmate who acts harmfully, toward you or the body or your friends. And even in that case, you need to find ways to cope and deal with the situations that might present. Without resorting to abusing that headmate, as is so common in plural spaces.
Often persecutors are treated as some sort of public spectacle to harass and abuse, but this quite literally makes it worse for everyone involved. "Hurting them back" often results in more aggravation and further issues. You need to have the skills to navigate and manage potential severe conflicts internally.
In a lot of cases, headmates tend to become persecutors because they've been mistreated and neglected or treated as if they're inherently lesser than the host in the first place. You need to treat your headmates like full, real people, no matter what.
Headmates can be kind and loving, and they also might be rude, cruel or aggressive, and you won’t know what they’re like until you meet them–just like any singlet. You need to know before you make a system that you can't always just "get rid of" them, walk away or block them if things go wrong, because you literally share a body and brain (and in the cases of day-trippers who you can cut contact with, you need to be willing to do so). You will need ways and supports in place to manage in case things go badly.
Are you okay with sharing your life?
This was touched on in the last part, but we're expanding upon it here. You, someone who has brought a person into reality to share your life, need to at least be understanding of the concept that your headmate might have differing life goals than you. It's hard to navigate and complicated when it happens, but at least finding a compromise is key.
It's likely to feel unfair to your headmate if you make all the life decisions, don't involve them in the process, without a chance to have their own goals and life path. And this can lead to a lot of conflict! After all, you created this person and they're likely to want something at some point. We've known many systems who have created headmates just to "talk to occasionally when I'm bored", and those headmates often get frustrated and feel isolated and objectified because they aren't allowed any say and aren't allowed to live their own lives.
Letting your headmates have their own hobbies, letting them have input or coming to decisions together about your career or education, helping them with their own life goals while still aiming for yours--these can all be good compromises to not being able to lead fully separate lives! Though this is a lot to compromise on for a lot of people, so it needs to be taken into account that sometimes, your goals won't line up and you'll need a middleground.
Do you understand the stigma?
There's a lot of weight that being plural can hold. Movies like Split affect primarily CDD systems, but these things that portray being more-than-one as something dangerous like that can and do affect people's idea of plurality as a whole. People around you might not understand, including those close to you. Particularly being a created system can come with extra infighting from syscourse as a whole.
Do you know who you'll be comfortable telling? Would you be able to cope with not being accepted? Do you want to share? What if your headmate wants to share, maybe because they don't want to pretend to be you? Those are some things to think about regarding the stigma of it all.
Letting your whole life be dictated by avoiding being anywhere close to something stigmatised plays into a lot of ways people get negative biases against certain groups, so we encourage you to avoid getting too deep into "avoid at all costs" as a mindset. It's not often very helpful to think that way either. But at least considering that there is stigma that exists, what it is, what it means, and how you'll navigate it before committing to being plural is a good idea.
So, In The End...
Hopefully this provides at least a little insight into potential struggles with plurality. Truly we've seen enough headmates be harmed in our time by people who wanted to make a system and weren't ready to accept what headmates being full, other people means. Hopefully, thinking about these things can prepare some potential to-be systems for what plurality might mean for them. Hopefully you can think about ways you'd solve problems beforehand, or learn a little about how to cooperate with people you might not like, or learn ways to compromise on things that may be important for multiple people.
If you read through this and are having second thoughts, that's okay. If you still want to be plural but are worried, think on it a little more, maybe brainstorm ways you could cope with potential issues, think about solutions, ask the community for ideas even! You can still prepare yourself to become plural if you don't feel you have the capacity as you are right now, it's perfectly okay to be unsure. Take your time, you have plenty of it.
As stated in the beginning, this isn't meant to be a "don't become plural ever" post, it's a disclaimer, a thing to consider before committing. Headmates and originals/cores alike are hurt by quick decisions all too often and we want to encourage people to just think a little bit more, to hopefully minimize harm and make plurality overall a more enjoyable experience for those looking to become systems.
a list of things that have been mentioned in the simply plural discord server before the temporary lockdown last night:
any of the subscriptions (simply plus, patreon) money went to servers, because saving this much information from this amount of users is expensive.
amaryllis has not made any money from this app and has stated so multiple times.
money is not a reason for it being shutdown. time is. the dev wants to use their free time for family and friends - which a hiatus wouldn't fulfill.
the issue isn't just about developing the app, but also handling all the maintenance outside of it like emails and support, keeping up the servers.
an app announcement is planned. no, you're not supposed to find out through random means - they're working on it.
the app can't be sold or change devs due to legal reasons (do not ask me about which laws) as well as privacy concerns.
hiring devs costs money. hiring volunteers has privacy concerns - there's little trust in having random people get access to half a million users data. and managing people / employees is also time consuming - time that apparyllis does not have.
the possibility of it becoming open source / self hosted are currently being discussed, which offers the possibility of not loosing your hard work
the moderators had to clarify multiple times that they understand concerns regarding octocon - but they're not in a position to do anything. it is simply an alternative that you can either use or not.
amaryllis' opinion won't change. they're set on sunsetting simply plural.
reminder, that you're allowed to feel sad, upset and distressed about this - but coming up with conspiracy theories, insulting the dev or harassing the mods of the discord server is not a good look.
Have you ever been on •°☆D e n i a l☆●° on your plurality? If yes how you managed to overcome it and what can you suggest to people who can't?
yes, constantly. i just have to remind myself that even if i was "faking" DID, i'd still be plural. even if i was faking being plural, i'd still have DID. and therefore theres no need to constantly worry about such things. if others are struggling / in denial of their experience i'll say you should all ask yourselves one question: "does this feel true to me?" and if the answer is yes- you are plural. it doesn't have to be a specific diagnosis, label, origin, anything.
you can just be plural and figure it out along the way.
so i understand we are all upset about simply plural, if anyone has any alternatives or resources to share feel free to use this post to spread them (comments & reblogs appreciated) ;^_^
🎉 anon again! hi! quick question.. how would I start using/doing willomancy? I'm not sure how or where I'd start ....
I'll try my best to be careful while doing this, I have positive coping mechanisms and people I can talk to or go to if it does end up affecting me badly, uncovering harmful memories, etc.
this is where i wouldn't really have a say. like i said, using willomancy and forming willogenic alters on your own is a very personal journey. i don't have tips for anybody on starting to form willogenic alters or using willomancy /because/ it is so personal. i recommend looking at other willogenic system's pages, reading articles, etc.. but i don't have any personal tips ;^_^
you seem so joyous and i love the fact you'revso open about how your splits aren't always caused by trauma... it's a similar case for us, and it's always made us feel a little stupid if that makes sense? we are an entirely traumagenic sys but it's like.... not all of us split off trauma, ya know..? we're all still valid parts even if it's not entirely due to trauma..
i try my best to be as joyous as possible!! i will always share my experiences if it means others can find comfort & community on my page or relate in any way. i love when yall send me messages like this because it is my exact goal to make you all feel validated even if your plurality is atypical. you are not stupid in any way for being outside of the "norm" of a traumagenic system, remember that always.
it's 🎉 anon here. hello again! by the way, let me know if I ever send too many asks, I don't mean to bombard you.
I'm starting to question my stance on endos again. this community seems so nice and welcoming. the pro endo tag is pretty nice as well, so many different systems with different origins and structures. it's all so interesting!!
onto what I wanted to mainly bring up was what you mentioned in my original/first ask. you said how you use willomancy to help make your alters fully formed, if I'm recalling that correctly.
now, I am not diagnosed with a cdd, and I have no therapist or professional to talk to about it. but would using willomancy possibly help with my alters developing their identity? I barely know anything about them ... and I'm still blurry after a couple of days, sadly.
anything, or any advice, is appreciated. I think I may be pro endo? it's a little scary to think of putting my stance out there publicly as most online spaces and people seem to be anti endo, though.
hello! dont worry about sending too many asks, i just may not have the spoons to answer them right away.
i'm happy to hear your stance is changing! i know its scary, its a personal journey & may take some time for you to fully accept it but it's a step in the right direction.
i think using willomancy could be helpful for anyone- traumagenic or not- cdd or not. but it is a very personal experience that requires a lot of understanding yourself & your system. i recommend it to anybody who is in tune with their brain enough to do so. it may take some practice & time in order to actually be able to use willomancy at all, it's a lot of self discovery and may lead you to uncovering trauma memories you may not be ready for. it is something i recommend, but at the same time it's a very personal journey & i don't think i'd be able to provide any personal tips or recommendations on how to do it because it is /so/ personal to your own experiences.
sorry if this sounds a little repetitive, i just really want to make it clear that willomancy is a journey of discovering yourself and if you aren't ready to uncover memories you may not be prepared for- then instead i'd just be patient with your fragments / non fully formed alters.
wow!! thank you for answering!! this is an interesting perspective to hear from. I appreciate this a lot. I've been wondering about my stance on endos/non-traumagenic systems for a while.
just in case I come back again, my signoff here will be the confetti emoji. and may I follow you? I'm a minor.
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yea of course ^_^ we love answering questions
and yes, anyone can follow me. we dont post anything nsfw
